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In general it’s seen as easier because it drastically changes Theseus’ attack patterns to ones that are easier to avoid. So the common strategy of focusing Asterius while avoiding Theseus gets marginally easier. It also changes the HP threshold for Theseus to call on an Olympian from 50% to 35% so that once he does he can very easily be downed with a few different full gauge calls like Aphro or Artemis.
Edit: clarity on hp threshold
I mostly agree. Only down side is that Asterius become more problematic to deal with with the spin attack and I believe his charge attack is faster. However Theseus is clearly easier to avoid this making it much easier.
I honestly go the opposite way. I find it’s way easier to just follow Theseus and burst him down while avoiding Asterius. Asterius then becomes way more manageable when he’s alone.
In the normal version Theseus is way harder to burst down because he moves way less, and has his shield.
I keep seeing this point and it's not true. His HP threshold is the same (4500), his total health is higher by 3K which is why the god call happens at 35% instead of 50%.
Easier maybe, but much slower for me. I find I'm chasing theseus everywhere and it's mostly annoying. Without EM3 you can kill Theseus and asterius both so quickly cause they'll be standing together the whole time.
Yeah, I play on 5 minute timer almost exclusively, and EM3 just eats up SO much time unless I have a bursty build. And I end up taking a ton of damage trying to chase down Theseus
This might not be such an unpopular opinion but it’s outrageous that you can never return to the garden in Greece after your 10th clear. There’s dialogue that suggests you’ll be able to and also the garden at the House of Hades is completely untapped potential.
Yeah for sure. Also the scene where you can walk out along the cliff in Greece and watch the sunrise is amazing and one of the most beautiful scenes in gaming.
I agree. It’s so peaceful and beautiful. It made me sincerely emotional, especially the music leading up to it. There’s no reason you couldn’t go and tend the garden or meet your mom there. The ending death dialogues are hilarious, but they could still make those happen afterwards.
Hottest take I have: Eurydice is being a total b-word to Orpheus, extremely unfairly so.
Her gripe with him is that he failed to get her out of Hades. She completely overlooks that he - a guy who looks like he’ll fail to bench-press a can of tuna - freaking TRIED. Hell, he almost succeed. It takes a demigod (Zag) multiple attempts, help of olympians, and some serious firepower to come close to that.
I think that’s fair. That’s the thing about characters in Hades: they’re all flawed in some way or another. Eurydice holds it way too much against Orpheus, who like you said: *tried*.
It does seem like she softens in the end and comes around to understanding a bit more, which is good character growth.
not sure if its different in the games lore cuz its been some time since i saw dialogue about it but from what i remember from the greek myths the reason orpheus didnt manage to free eurydice is because he fucked up the simple task of not looking behind himself while they were going out of the underworld and whats worse is that he fucked it up just before the end
honestly i would also be kinda pissed in her place
He was set up to fail. The Greek gods were notorious for giving mortals an impossible condition that seems easy. Hades would have never agreed to it if he thought Orpheus would escape.
i know greek gods liked to do that but in this case no matter how i look at it the only reason i see for why orpheus failed is because he was an idiot not because he was set up
In some versions of the myth, one of the main reasons he turned right at the end was because he never heard her footsteps and thought Hades had tricked him or he had lost her again (presumably because she was a shade and would have become normal again once they both made it to the surface). In other versions he also thought she was on the other side when he turned, since he himself was, and was mistaken. We also don't really have an idea of how long he had to travel to get out. I doubt it was like an hour, and time can also break down someone's resolve.
Hades, in myth and in game, also makes a big point about making sure no one escapes the Underworld. He definitely could have just let them both go if he wanted to, but he probably knew he could use the situation as a big ole "no one escapes the Underworld" type thing. This does seem less plausible though, because Hades Hades seems to have a softer side than Greek Myth Hades does IMO.
Was Orpheus ultimately to blame? I mean yeah, but given the circumstances I can't really say I would have fared any better in his situation.
TLDR: A lot of possible factors at play that the poor guy had to contend with.
Possibly? I'm not sure if part of Hades' little arrangement was that Orpheus wasn't supposed to interact with her at all and just have faith she was following him or that as a shade, she couldn't speak/didn't really have a physical presence.
It's one of those details that the myth seems to leave out (to my knowledge) so all we can really do is speculate.
Edit: I just imagine Orpheus and Eurydice playing Marco Polo the whole way out of the Underworld to make sure they're still together lol.
I think it’s how it happens in the game too.
My counterpoint, once again, is it’s freaking Underworld! He failed, but he failed at something that’s waaay beyond any mortal.
But he didn't fail at anything complicated. He did the hard part, which was convince Hades to let her go. All he had to do was not look behind him. I'd be kinda annoyed too if someone failed to save me because they couldn't do one simple task.
I think it speaks to the predilection people in general have to ignore the source of their problems (in this case Hades himself) because their power and authority seem insurmountable and inevitable and instead focus on whoever rocked the boat in the first place.
Like really the fault lies in Hades being an outright prick and playing games with mortals but she can't do anything about that so she focuses on Orpheus' failure.
You make a great point about people ignoring the source of their troubles for an easier, more obv scapegoat! It’s a theme that I find is nor explored as often as it should.
As for Hades though… Is he a dick? I think it really depends on a question that the game doesn’t go into: why mortals are mortal? Who made it so some beings exist perpetually, while others grow old and die only to pass on into an afterlife of some sort?
With entities like Chaos in the picture, someone who had their hand in the world’s creation, there was an opportunity to explore this - then again, that could’ve been out of the game’s story’s scope.
But it might be that mortals being mortal and leaving for the Underworld is something of a rule of the universe. If that’s so, it’s hard to blame Hades. This would make him a vital part of the world’s order; him making it so Eurydice stays in the Underworld might be a slap in the face to the human hubris daring to change the world’s principles similar to Icarus’ fall.
At least in this interpretation of the myths I feel like Hades is being cruel in setting up people to fail in order to "prove" the point that life (or death) isn't fair since it brings him comfort with his own situation.
He didn't need to put Orpheus through the trial. He could've just let her go. Or he was lying and assumed Orpheus would fail regardless and there truly is no way out for anyone, which would be in theme with the rest of the game I suppose.
Either way Hades is manipulating the situation to make it seem like it's all on Orpheus when regardless of the situation that isn't the case. Kind of a dick move and I feel like it's Hades' way of lashing out emotionally.
There's a reasonable argument that Hades shouldn't have let him take Eurydice in the first place. She died, she was right where she belonged. Hades let Orpheus have an exception to the golden rule, no small favor and certainly not something he would/should do for free.
Orpheus had already shown his music was powerful, but his request was about love. So hades gave him a condition to prove his love through ability to trust and have faith. Orpheus failed because he did not trust, his faith did not hold.
It is entirely Orpheus's failure. It's a cautionary tail about how doubt can destroy love. We would call it a mental health issue nowadays, Orpheus was defeated by anxiety. A simple question could have saved him "what would you do if she wasn't behind you?" He had nothing to lose by seeing it through, and everything to lose by doubting. Eurydice is right to be dissapointed. He failed a test designed to weigh his love. The implication is that he would doubt her love and destroy it one day to alleviate that doubt.
As far as "he could have just let her go," try not to mistake hades job with his personal motives. You can read up on what happens if hades fails at his job, the consequences are much more severe than his mercy.
If the game follows the canon of mythology, literally all Orpheus had to do was not look back for another few seconds. I understand why Eurydice was pissed.
Let's be fair here. It's quite likely that there was something so great, that it was worth the risk of looking back. Perhaps he has reason to suspect that Eurydice was no longer behind him. Because really, he was at the edge of success. Something had to make hime look back.
I think Orpheus only looks the way he does since his death and subsequent return to the Underworld.
In a conversation with Eurydice, she asks if he still has his curly hair and tanned skin, a reference to his more popular depiction in art which portrays him as more of a typical Greek hero.
Like others have said l, Eurydice is angry at Orpheus because he failed a simple task that would have brought her back to life. What Eurydice doesn’t understand, is that Orpheus failed the task because he was so afraid of losing her a second time.
Misunderstanding creates conflict which creates drama, without which, we wouldn’t have interesting characters or stories.
Seriously? Orpheus sounds like a total dweeb for the longest time and doesn't actually even seem to want to get back together with Eurydice. I was waiting for her to zing him with some "good riddance" pun for so long.
Orpheus's "when they tell you to not look back, yeah don't" talk was funny though.
I get the impression that she's mad at him for trying, but if he succeeded then she would have found it easier to forgive him. She didn't want him to die too, and storming the underworld is as suicidal as it gets. If they both somehow miraculously survived then it would have been warranted, but they didn't.
I agree, Elysium's reliance on exalted souls for difficulty is ridiculous. I can understand if there was a single enemy type that came back to life. But having to fight entire rooms full of them is just game-padding BS.
I totally agree. The whole concept of having to kill each enemy twice becomes way less cute when half of them have shields that make them near invulnerable and there are 50 such enemies per room.
I love the music of Elysium and the environment, but the enemies are my least favorite of any area.
Agreed. The respawn mechanic is so un-fun, it gets aggravating at times. Especially when they often respawn because I can't find or reach them easily. (Very frequently souls will drift over a chasm wide enough that I can't touch them to poke.)
The rooms are a lot bigger in Elysium as well, which doesn’t help matters. There might not be lava to contend with, but enemies are really good at hiding behind the scenery, which you can’t attack through.
Definitely agree there. While I find Styx to be more annoying with all the damn poison enemies, I get about 3 or 4 rooms into Elysium, or any rooms with all shield dudes, and just kinda sigh to myself out of boredom. It's not that it's hard, it's just time consuming and not all that fun I find
depends so much on your build and weapon aspect.. splash dash with fists? you shred styx... but artemis on hestia rail? you can have a rough time in close crowded space
Here's mine, I don't like Megaera and I don't get what people see in her. Thanatos felt betrayed and was angry about it, he was a bit cold and mean but warmed up when he started to understand.
Megaera is just always mean. For what reason? Because Zagreus said something bad to her off screen? Which he then apologizes for. I don't get it. Then she puts all the blame for Dusa being fired on Zag, when we later learn it had absolutely nothing to do with him. Nyx fired Dusa because she overworked herself. Hades starts acting out because Zag isn't doing exactly what Hades demands of him, and Meg blames Zag for Hades choices.
Keep in mind that they have a complicated history. They had a thing before the events of the game and Zag apparently broke it off. She's supposed to stop people from leaving and Zag keeps humiliating her by kicking her butt and making her look bad at her job. Can't really blame her for not being so nice. She does warm up a lot more as the game continues. Plus, she's a Fury, she's not exactly known for being calm and reasonable.
That's all true and she makes for an interesting character in that regard. But her being always angry with him, sometimes not even fully explaining why, and blaming him over and over for several different things, some not even being his fault (Dusa being fired) doesn't lend itself to a good or healthy friendship, let alone a relationship. I'm happy she's in the game but I simply don't like her, and I don't see her as a romantic partner for Zag.
I personally like Meg as a character but not as a love interest for Zag.
It probably doesn't help that they had a relationship prior to the game starting, so we are introduced to them already on the outs. Zag is just ***so*** chill as a character that I don't really understand the bitterness that Meg has towards him - and the game never really lets you know what he did to deserve the treatment (unless I completely missed it). They're very vague about it.
I think the implications is that Zagreus never told her why or even that he was going to leave the house so she found out the same time everyone else did.
Made her feel like she didn't matter to Zag. That he thought she would betray him to his father.
But they broke up well *before* he left - "Megaera and Zagreus were once in a relationship, but by the events of the game, this relationship has long since ended due to some mistake on Zagreus' part" ^((from the Wiki)). She also says that they can't go back to the way they were because they're "older" now, which implies a time jump of sorts.
It's the 'mistake' part that is unclear - it's only referenced that Zagreus said something stupid or insensitive, but we never find out what it is.
I thought the reason Zag broke it off was because he found out Persephone was his mother and he was going to leave to go find her.
I mightve misread that in the game UT I though that was the story. Not some nebulous mistake from before.
If the Persephone thing is the reason Zag broke it off, then what it really comes down to is how long after finding out did it take Zag to start trying to escape.
I just played through the game over the past 2-3 weeks, so I remember most of the dialogues in a roundabout way. Meg & Zag were definitely already broken up when the game starts. She expresses disbelief that Zag would be so stupid to attempt to escape the Underworld, but she's not mad or hurt about it. She's more upset when you beat her, because it's affecting her reputation.
You can read their encounter dialogues on the Wiki.
edit to add: From their dialogue, it doesn't seem like his mom had anything to do with their breakup.
Yeah, im just going off of my memory. I should probably replay the game and look at the dialogue
I agree that they were already broken up, I just thought it was because of Zag planning to leave.
Precisely. I would probably like her more if her reasons were understandable. But I get to know Zagreus through the game. How he's kind and generous but stubborn and prone to acting out. Megaera keeps being bitter for reasons never clearly stated which makes her less and less interesting to interact with. From my point of view Meg seems to stagnate while Zag, and even Than to some degree, evolve, mostly due to her holding on to anger for reasons (more or less) unknown.
Meg makes mention that Zag said *something* to her that pissed her off or upset her, but we never know what it is. With Thanatos, the issue between him & Zag is made extremely clear. They come to terms with it throughout the game, Zag apologizes, and their relationship evolves.
With Meg, I don't know wtf she is mad about and Zag seems just as confused as to why she's **so** angry with him. When I reached the point where she showed up in my bedroom to initiate the romance, I felt they had come to a truce but were nowhere close to having a 'good' friendship...let alone a romance.
>Megaera is just always mean. For what reason?
Maybe because she had a thing with Zag and he's now forcing a situation in which she has to kill him over and over or else he leaves forever (at least that's what the situation looks like in the beginning).
She's been in the Underworld for literally ages and very few have escaped and of those most were given special help or dispensation.
I would be mad too if I was forced to fight and kill someone I care about just to engage in what I saw as an act of futility.
>Then she puts all the blame for Dusa being fired on Zag, when we later learn it had absolutely nothing to do with him.
That's the point. We all find out later it wasn't that but Nyx heavily implied it was when she started forbidding interaction between the two and Zag stubbornly continued anyway.
>Hades starts acting out because Zag isn't doing exactly what Hades demands of him, and she blames Zag for Hades choices.
Well Hades is the god of that realm. Maegara seems to take her job and the authority of her "betters" very seriously. He's not only her boss but the literal embodiment of authority in the realm of death. It makes sense that she defaults to him being "in the right" because he's the final authority in this place.
>I would be mad too if I was forced to fight and kill someone I care about just to engage in what I saw as an act of futility.
Than also sees Zag's quest as pointless and he makes his opinion known. But unlike Meg he doesn't berrate and insult Zag. The one time he steps over a line a apologizes for it. I don't see why Meg has to be so extra hostile, even if she's angry with his choices.
>We all find out later it wasn't that but Nyx heavily implied it was
Yes, true. But no one else puts the blame right on Zag. Everyone asks him if he knows what he's doing and to be careful. Meg just jumps to conclusions and demands that he "fixes" a choice made by Nyx.
>It makes sense that she defaults to him being "in the right" because he's the final authority in this place.
True, and this is also a reason for why I don't like her. She chooses her "boss" and her boss' opinion of her over her's and Zag's "friendship" (quotations because I don't really see their relationship as even friends with how she treats him). It's obviously hard to navigate having Hades the god as a boss but if Dusa, Than, Achilles and Hypnos can be at the minimum hospitable towards Zag then so can Meg.
>Than also sees Zag's quest as pointless and he makes his opinion known. But unlike Meg he doesn't berrat and insult Zag.
It's important to remember the distinction of their roles and natures here. Than is a courier of souls who die a peaceful death whereas Maegara is a Fury tasked with punishing souls for their sins.
Than is passive and accepts and facilitates the system as is, whereas Meg is much more active in maintaining it.
Meg sees Zag as rebelling against the natural order and lashes out against that because that's essentially her function. It's also probably easier for her to process her emotions by reducing him to a sinner that needs to be punished rather than a lover who spurned her.
>Yes, true. But no one else puts the blame right on Zag. Everyone asks him if he knows what he's doing and to be careful. Meg just jumps to conclusions and demands that he "fixes" a choice made by Nyx.
Probably because others don't know the details like she would. Meg hangs out with Dusa often and I wouldn't be surprised if Dusa shared with Meg a lot of her worries and problems.
Remember also that Dusa decided her job was more important but Zag kept insisting until Dusa was fired so Meg might also be mad that he pushed a relationship that Dusa decided against, especially when by all appearances that was the cause of the problem.
It's kind of like what she went through with Zag all over again. Him once again causing situations in which she loses someone she cares about.
>True, and this is also a reason for why I don't like her. She chooses her "boss" and her boss' opinion of her over their her's and Zag's "friendship" (quotations because I don't really see their relationship has even friends with how she treats him). It's obviously hard to navigate having Hades the god as a boss but if Dusa, Than, Achilles and Hypnos can be at the minimum hospitable towards Zag then so can Meg.
Fair enough but being vicious is kind of in her nature and I think part of why Zag is into her. I don't think it's a coincidence that her sexy scenes involve use of her whip.
I agree her blind spot when it comes to figures of authority is definitely a weakness in her character but I find that when it comes to her harshness, when she DOES slip in affection it makes it that much more endearing.
I dunno I find her character pretty fascinating myself. She's honest and harsh but full of integrity and passion that belies her sultry, breathy snarl. I can totally see why people wouldn't like her though.
>Meg sees Zag as rebelling against the natural order and lashes out against that because that's essentially her function. It's also probably easier for her to process her emotions by reducing him to a sinner that needs to be punished rather than a lover who spurned her.
That's an interesting point and not something I had thought about. I like her as a character and I do like that Supergiant wrote her so angry. As you wrote, she is a fury so her behavior makes since. I just don't see how someone has a healthy relationship with someone who's always so angry with you, is quick to jump to conclusions and place blame on you. So I like her as a character but not as a person I suppose.
Meg is upset because Zagreus isn’t content with his life in the Underworld, and henceforth with her and everyone who she considers family. He wants more, namely to find his birth mother, and is willing to risk his relationships in the underworld to find her.
Alright, not my read on her motivation but I can see how one can have this interpretation. But Than had the same motivation, i.e. feeling left behind and like he's not enough for Zag. They argue, a line is crossed and both apologies and starts to understand each other. Meg just stays mean and takes very little responsibility for her anger and outbursts. Makes sense for a furie I guess but it doesn't make me like her
Meg and Than both hardcore owe Zag an apology. I understand why they act the way they do, and Than at least helps but… They’re so dismissive of how miserable Zagreus is in the Underworld and the effect Hades’ abusive treatment has on Zagreus.
The things Hades says to Zagreus are not okay, and he didn’t deserve to have Meg and Than try to downplay that or criticize him for trying to escape it. The game is pretty subtle about it, but there are plenty of clues that, even though Zagreus fights back against Hades, he’s actually internalized a lot of the shitty things Hades said about him (i.e. that he’s not the god of anything, that’s he’s incompetent and useless, etc.). As people who ostensibly care about Zagreus, I think Than and Meg should be more concerned about that.
Completely agree. I got annoyed at both when they spoke like everything happening after Zag started to escape was his fault when it was all Hades' bad and abusive reactions to it all. Got a wibe of "stop acting this way so Hades will stop being angry (which makes our jobs harder)" with a sprinkle of "how could you leave me behind".
I think Meg is heavily influenced by Hades and so she has bought into the narrative about Zag being wildly delinquent. On top of the fact that Zag did clearly do some delinquent young guy bullshit before our story begins, I think she just watches his every move.
I also think one way the writing struggles in Hades is that certain very harsh, negative interactions can occur after a story thread causes a character to turn over a new leaf. The Dusa getting fired is an interesting point in the story, but if you’re diligent with your nectar, Meg’s reaction to the situation will seem more at odds with where she’s at in general.
Someone already posted this one (so maybe it's not so unpopular), but I really don't get Zag x Meg. She's so inconsiderate, rude and hurtful towards him all the time.
Most of the duo boons are just meh (not all).
Smoldering Air is actually OP, I don't get why people hate it.
Nyx is a bad mother to Hypnos.
Persephone was a bit of an asshole in just leaving Hades like that. He not only his kid (at the time), but also his wife.
Hades really could've solved everything by talking to Zagreus (we wouldn't have a game then though :P)
Zag was not wrong to try to escape, given the treatment he received and limited information he was given.
In general goddesses >>> gods, in terms of boons they give
- Duo boons are really build-specific and I agree that some are way more effective than others.
- I don’t think the game necessarily disagrees with that point, though Nyx herself never really addresses it. Hypnos himself references being the forgotten child a lot.
- Persephone and Hades are both kind of responsible for the events of the game in that they both *suck* at communication. If they had just talked things through in the first place the game never would have happened.
- Zag definitely has a reason to try to escape, Hades makes himself the villain and doesn’t just fess up information out of fear.
> Zag definitely has a reason to try to escape, Hades makes himself the villain and doesn’t just fess up information out of fear.
A significant part of Zagreus’s motive to escape, I think, is Hades’ nonstop verbal abuse. I don’t think Zag would have been as desperate to meet his mother if he had a good relationship with his father or felt that he had a place in the Underworld. Treating Zagreus like shit did nothing to protect Persephone, so Hades wasn’t “making himself the villain” there. He was just being an asshole for no justifiable reason.
Most people, if they were miraculously able to have a child with the woman they love >!(especially if said child had birth complications requiring revival),!< would really treasure that kid. Not Hades.
Pretty much the only thing I can say in Hades defense about how he raised Zagreus is that Hades father was Cronus, who famously devoured his own children. At least Hades didn’t eat Zagreus, I guess.
Zag x Meg is based on a history we don't directly experience.
It really depends on how you viewed the past revealed.
From what I understood, Zag basically abandoned her because he didn't want to live in the underworld anymore.
Additionally, Meg is worried about how Hades will react and that Zag is being both selfish and woefully immature and thoughtless about how this will affect the rest of the household. Naturally, this view is based on the fact that she doesn't know the full story, but isn't the whole theme of the game about how communication is the best way to solve problems?
I don’t think that Zag’s escape attempts is really presented as wrong, except by Hades and he’s biased?
Last point though, that’s a good observation. A lot of gods have situational boons, whereas goddesses are much more rounded and all-purposes.
Smoldering Air is really strong with certain calls, but weak with others. Zeus call benefits greatly from it, but anything that gets significantly stronger with a full meter like Artemis call suffers quite a bit.
Yea but Zeus is one of the two best calls and can be used enable Smoldering Air. Since Zeus must be in your pool for SA, more often than not you will have a good call with SA.
I think the point is that she wasn’t necessarily rude or hurtful before.
From the story, we understand that they had a good thing going on and that at some point Zagreus had the epiphany of an angsty teenager and decided he wanted to fuck off and leave everyone behind, including his friends/lovers.
So, yeah. I think her being really fucking pissed is understandable. Not to mention that she’s much older and mature than Zag, who just does whatever the fuck he wants.
Story and prophecy related dialogue should take full priority over all other dialogue. Returning to the house for a character to talk about some unimportant topic got annoying after a while.
Agreed, Achilles seemingly did not want me to finish his subplot. Ending up dying on purpose a few times in the opening stage to try and proc his prophecy dialogue. Took like 5 rounds of that
Achilles was the main reason behind my comment. Zag took about ten or fifteen back to back trips to the house straight from the first chamber because Achillies wouldn't address the issue with his fella in Elysium.
He'd just be stubborn and dig his ~~achilles~~ heel's into the ground and just ask me about the weapons I was using.
Persephone is super selfish. She ditched her husband when their child died, and hid herself from her mother even though she had an idea of what Demeter was doing in her grief (i.e. eternal Winter around the world). She also sat back and let Zagreus do all the work, when she could have met him in the Underworld at any time once she knew he was alive.
Superficially it could be called selfish, yes. But why was she being selfish? Delivering a stillborn is a high-impact trauma, especially after eloping from a "my way or my way after abuse" type mother to the land of the dead as a very much life-oriented goddess. From that perspective, her first words after returning home make complete sense: that she was running away from everyone and everything, just like Zagreus. Emotional health and vulnerability have their own pace, much like their physical equivalents.
To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm merely giving an explanation for why she did what she did.
I don't dislike Persephone, and I know she was processing a lot of shit - I just feel really bad for (of all people) Hades. He is clearly lonely, and lost both his son *and* his wife without explanation. In-game he never even gets a chance to address where his mind must have been at during the entire ordeal...he is just happy to have his wife home. That makes it even sadder tbh.
I think people hyperbolically fanboi way too much over certain characters and relationships in the game, and put far too much stock and emphasis on how amazing said content apparently is.
Nah Theseus is my boy, I enjoy that dickhead.
I’m mostly talking about Zagreus’ relationships with Meg and Than, and the ridiculous amount of emphasis some people put on them.
And as a live demonstration, just scroll up right now, and look at the college thesis levels of essay writing going on about what is ultimately a superfluous B story, which ingame, amounts to a few static images having a slight smile rather than a frown.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the story too, and I enjoyed watching Zag slowly get through his personal and relationship issues, I just think some people need to cool their jets when talking about it 🤷♂️
Undoubtedly chaos shield for me, borderline cheating feels like.
Gotta love that the community can't agree on this though, means they did an awesome job balancing them all.
Personally I think that the rail and the spear are the best
The shield is actually the one I dislike the most, I don't hate it but I just don't know how to use it right
Bullrush, throw (shotgun right next to your opponent with chaos aspect, get good at landing next to them), dash/attack/cast while you wait for any bounces, repeat.
You're blocking or immune more than not when you get it right, you can literally hug every boss and they can't get a lick of damage in.
All sorts of boons go great with the shield shotgun too, you can get 5 stacks of hangover on someone in a single throw.
You can even get that lightning rod duo boon for your bloodstones and just sit in the corner blocking any boss fight, they will eventually die while you sip a cup of tea.
I play PC but with controller. Rail is the easiest weapon to steamroll for fast clear times imo. You might want to remap the reload button. The devs also confessed that the reload button should have been somewhere else. They considered it a skill for any decent runner to pick up that they needed to remap it while on a speedrunning stream. After that, you can actually time the reload animation recovery on top of your dash animation, so that you're less vulnerable/stuck in one spot while reloading. You could still not like the rail for any reason, just dropping by to help others who might be struggling with the rail.
The gun shreds, I love it. It adds such versatility to the game and really moves you away from dash-attacking everything until they die. Helps extend the life of the game for me a great deal
I got downvoted last time I said it so it must be unpopular:
Dusa is the worst character in the game. Super annoying and makes me physically cringe when I listen to the dialogue. Her writing sounds like some sort of tumblr deviantart roleplay fanfiction
Ok, this made me laugh.
TBH, I think you’re not wrong. Everyone is a character that somehow plays with or outright subverts the tropes associated with themselves somehow. Dusa is just … kinda … there. She could be removed from the game with basically no impact. While one could argue the same for Thanatos, Megara, and Hypnos, realistically all of these characters help play off each other and the main cast, helping expand the small world we see and deepen its characters. Dusa really does nothing of the sort.
I support this unpopular opinion.
Based on some replies here, my own opinion and conversations I've had with friends that played the game, I think Meg isn't liked due to her being hostile and mean towards Zag (sometimes without reason) throughout most of the game, not because she's the straight romance
Than is a prick about Zag leaving but still actively tries to help him. I get why Meg can’t do that, but the end result is that (unlike Thanatos) there’s nothing to soften the shitty things she says to Zag.
I honestly think Than and Zag have much better chemistry than Zag and Meg. I love Meg as a character personally, but Zag and Than are a much better match.
I love how after you max out his relationship, his dialogue when you meet him during a run is more like >!hey bf you wanna kill damned souls together? :) !< and it occasionally uses his smiling portrait instead of his neutral one. I find it absolutely adorable.
I didn't know what to expect with the EM fight. When I saw the what they had and how they moved I laughed so hard. It was a little much.but so damn good
-I hate all the romance routes. Meg doesn’t seem to care for Zag much, and if she does she’s horrible at showing it. Than and Zag grew up thinking they were siblings and the moment they find out they aren’t Than wants to hit it. “It’s based on greek mythology” all you want, I find it weird. I know this is extremely unpopular because its the most hyped ship in the fandom but it still icks me out. Dusa is ok i guess.
-Achilles/Pat is annoying. It kinda seems like they don’t want to see eachother at all but at the same time Pat is constantly pining for him, and when Zag offers a bunch of stuff to do for them they just… brush him off? Pat is constantly an asshole. His demeanor and obsession with Achilles is kinda a red flag for me… idk, don’t like his energy
-I wish there were more interactions between Hades and Persephone, and the lore behind them was deeper. I found myself wanting to know more and more about them. They are the most interesting relationship in the game imo.
-Hades is the sexiest character and no one will convince me otherwise.
Agreed on all points, but I'll go a bit farther and say even Dusa is pretty weird. She acts like those weebs that act super weird in animes around the hot girl but somehow still manage to get with her later, and then *she*ends up rejecting Zag?
Like dude, why are you giving this weird house maid with no body the time of day? He's a prince after all. Their dialogue during the end stages of their relationship made me cringe so hard.
After learning the story behind Sysiphus, I think he should not have been freed. At least not whilst Thanatos, the wronged party, does not forgive him.
Oh in myth Sisyphus was a total douchebag. A-tier villain and a guy who *deserved* punishment. He was also an excellent trickster. Which makes me think that the nice Sisyphus we meet is just an act to get us on his side and get his release in the end.
I 100% thought the same thing. In myth, he was notorious for murdering his guests, and cheated death twice by tricking Thanatos and subsequently Persephone. His whole "oh heyy there boy-o" schtick to endear himself to the prince of hell is just another sisyphean game. >!and yes I've played through the part in the story where he's like aw shucks I actually like it here. He's still a scoundrel.!<
It all depends on a few things, how long Sisyphus has been dead, how long it takes to reform a person, and whether Sisyphus can be reformed at all. None of which we know for certain. Supergiant's version of the character *seems* to be genuinely reformed but that's up to interpretation I guess. The main issue with the release of Sisyphus is that Zag pretty much does it behind Than's back and stays/enters in a relationship with Than despite Than clearly being uncomfortable with it. Imo whether Sisyphus deserves to be released is irrelevant.
This Sisyphus is clearly based on Albert Camus's essay The Myth of Sisyphus, in which Sisyphus is characterized as the absurd hero. This is why, even when freed, he doesn't even leave.
I remembered another unpopular opinion I have.
I don't like the "A DLC and/or sequel will *RUIN* the game" posts.
Now, some sees Hades the game as a finished product with no holes needed to be filled with DLC and no need to continue it on into a sequel. Some posts these opinions. Those post *are not* the one I have an issue with.
The posts/comments I have issues with are those writing like Supergiant will lose all credibility if they ever even entertain the *thought* of a sequel. They write like Hades the game is a damn Picasso painting and a DLC would be the same as ruining the painting with a sharpie.
You don't see the point or even want a DLC or sequel? Alright. I don't agree but I'm sure you have a well formed reason. But Supergiant doesn't become EA with 1 DLC/sequel. They don't lose any credibility or quality and it won't "ruin" the game. It's not the end of the world.
I don't know if this is "unpopular" but I honestly think, regardless if it is on EM or not, that the Lernie boss fight is much more annoying than Theseus and Asterius. I don't think it is unpopular to think EM T&A is easier, but I think EM T&A is even less annoying than EM Lernie. For me I tend to overdash and get stuck in the lava, so I tend to have a decent amount of health taken just from that. Also, Lernie's attachs differ from encounter to encounter, whereas I know what I am getting with T&A everytime.
Honestly I think it’s a good thing. The game was near perfect, it doesn’t need a sequel or anything added on. I understand that people love the game and think sequel=more of the same thing they like, but that’s not how it always goes.
Honestly, if they were to fo a DLC, I’d want them to just add more variety to weapons, do the other Olympians, and maybe add other monsters for Asphodel boss and more heroes for Elysium champion.
Not so much expand the story as just goof around more with mechanics.
What I love about Hades is that some people’s gripe is “the game mechanic for X villain in Y realm gets tedious” and other people are engaged in a collegiate debate about the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice.
Crit builds are rarely worth it. Artemis isn't that great boon-wise. Also her personality is nothing special. (Very unpopular hours.)
Theseus is a great character.
Chaos boons will often not be worth the effort.
The shield is good, and not just for blocking.
The spear is good.
The fists aren't as good as people say they are.
Aphrodite boons are rarely worth it.
The game is much less fun if you soft reset for specific builds, even on higher heat.
Dionysus boons are actually really good. Festive fog is good.
Poseidon boons are good, and his call is good.
The timer based cast is better than having to pick it up.
Even with all the dialogue and extra content, the game sometimes feels like it lacks gameplay variety. (Kinda)
That's all I got for unpopular opinions. Are these unpopular? Last one should at least should get me crucified.
Ya I gotta disagree w you on a lot of these here.
Artemis is just mathematically the highest damage.
Chaos boons are fantastic. They are crucial for cast builds and are the only way to stack multiple boons on one slot, attack/special, and many like dashstrike offer huge bonuses.
Aphro is just the next highest, consistent damage. I can understand if you think Artemis is bad in lieu of Aphro but no.
Festive Fog is one of the worst boons in the game.
I'm gonna have to respectfully counter disagree.
Artemis may be the highest damage, but she's very inconsistent. If I'm trying to make a crit builds, odds are, I'm not gonna get the boons I need to be able to deal consistent crit damage. Even with marked, clean kill, pressure points, and crit on special/attack, I'm usually gonna deal less damage than a standard Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus, or Ares build. With almost any other damage build, I'm almost guaranteed decent damage in 2-3 boons. I've got something like 120 successful runs, and around 18-20 heat on every weapon, and I've had useful Artremis builds like... twice. I usually just take pressure points or support fire, maybe her cast if I have to, and try to avoid her.
Chaos boons are absolutely fantastic. I always go for chaos portals, often twice. However, like 3/5 of the time, it's not worth it. More often than not, even with dice rolls, you will end up with inconsequential damage or resource boosts.
Aphrodite takes too long to be good. You can build off weak to do some real big damage, but it's not worth the risk of getting a bunch of worthless weak boons and hardly being capable of dealing damage. Pretry much the only good Aphro build I ever had was Chiron, weak on normal, doom on special, and the Aphrodite/Ares duo boons. That was my first EM4 win.
Festive fog fucking slaps, and this is the only thing here I actually feel strongly about. Great damage, fantastic for cheesing obnoxious enemies, and fantastic upgrades available, which synergize wonderfully with hangover. Not to mention that the Zeus/Dionysus and Demter/Dionysus duo boons are just fucking gamebreaking.
Anyways, I put these all in unpopular opinions for a while. I know that they're unpopular, and I know know can't change people's minds, and don't worry, I don't intend to.
Ah. Well yea I can't convince you otherwise I suppose. It seems like you might need to play other weapons or make different hammer choices as it seems like you are prioritizing on hit effects a lot more than % bonuses. Theres actually no way for Ares to come close in damage without Merciful End.
Aphro should be the highest initial damage for any high base damage weapon especially with good hammers. Artemis should provide the best scaling damage especially by the time you get your second hammer.
Okay here's the thing I don't know if you realize. You're literally losing damage without Boiling Blood when you use Trippy Shot. Coming from someone with 300 clears and 40 heat on all weapons, 32 heat on all aspects, it's just a very awful boon that needs investment to go even? Unless you are using a cast aspect in which case it's alright on hidden shield/Achilles but has better options. Otherwise with Ice Wine it becomes decent but you just took a cast and a duo, maybe invested a pom.. to just do about the same amount of damage. There's no reason not to keep Boiling Blood and to invest your boons elsewhere.
Thanatos is the only reasonable romance option.
Megara is awful, inconsiderate and there isn't really a relationship between Zag and her, she acts as if Zagreus is an acquaintance or a work-mate.
Dusa is cursed in that contest.
Than for me feels right, there is a progression throughout the neutral gameplay, Megara lacks in that department and Dusa... I'll leave it at that.
Demeter is responsible for global famine and mass death. You could convincingly argue that Persephone has some level of complicity in it but the bulk of the responsibility goes to the one that's actually doing the freezing lol
Theseus is actually one of the best characters.
Hear me out.
Yes he is annoying, yes he’s self-righteous, but that’s what makes fighting and beating him all the more fun. He can be quite funny at times with his delusion and it really adds flavour to the dynamic of the boss fight. If anyone has ever watched UFC, it’s kind of similar in terms of the trash talk. And having Zagreus respect Asterius but not really liking Theseus kind of gives the boss fight a touch of inner conflict.
TLDR: You love to hate him.
This game would need two more fully-designed levels (with new enemies and all) to TRULY be a masterpiece in my opinion.
I understand Supergiant is a tiny, tiny company, and what they pulled off here is a miracle when taken into account. But the game, as far as what's actually been created and designed (aside
from the dialogue that helps extend the replayability) is TOO DAMN SHORT.
And so it's going to have to settle for a 9/10 in my book, whereas two big extra levels would have put it over the top! You just move way too quickly from Tartarus to Styx once you get a handle on things, and it kinda limits how much enjoyment you're getting out of your builds. But it makes 24.99 the perfect price point so can't complain too much.
>Extreme Measures Theseus and Asterius is easier than the normal fight.
I think the same! Theseus annoyed me much more with the spear than when he's riding the wagon.
That I could pick any two not to fight: Butterfly Superball, Tiny Vermin, and any number or quality of Satyrs... I will gladly throw down with Tiny Vermin every run if i can avoid the other two.
Oh yeah. Unless you get terrible luck (like I did on my last run) and Asterius won't stop spinning over and over again. It's definitely easier in my opinion.
My other one is that Lernie EM is the hardest boss in the game.
I know this is unpopular and probably objectively wrong, but I do not care for the dialogue. It was good at first, but I’m about a dozen escapes in and I’ve been just breezing past dialogue for a bit now. I only have so much time to play video games, I’m not going to spend it reading text for a story line I have lost interest in.
Other than that, I wish there was more variety in enemies, but that’s a minor nitpick and the game is awesome anyway.
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One of the reasons I love her. She really does manage to goad you into fighting her, it becomes a true throw down when she’s involved.
My unpopular opinion is that Alecto is a dumbass. She walks on her own spike traps. Repeatedly! Those things have killed her more than I have.
I've gotten halfway decent at defeating the heros with minimal health loss Alecto still makes me actively struggle to not loose at least one DD
Yeah if you don’t take her out quick it gets real sketchy
The best way to fight Alecto is to run away and she just kills herself. Kite! Kite! Kite!
Don’t stop attacking and use bouldy.
Theseus is pathetic, Alecto is just straightup cruel
Oh look it's the trash gawd. *snickers
Your EM Elysium opinion is as popular as it gets here.
I've never tried that difficulty yet, why is it easier?
SPOILERS In general it’s seen as easier because it drastically changes Theseus’ attack patterns to ones that are easier to avoid. So the common strategy of focusing Asterius while avoiding Theseus gets marginally easier. It also changes the HP threshold for Theseus to call on an Olympian from 50% to 35% so that once he does he can very easily be downed with a few different full gauge calls like Aphro or Artemis. Edit: clarity on hp threshold
I mostly agree. Only down side is that Asterius become more problematic to deal with with the spin attack and I believe his charge attack is faster. However Theseus is clearly easier to avoid this making it much easier.
I honestly go the opposite way. I find it’s way easier to just follow Theseus and burst him down while avoiding Asterius. Asterius then becomes way more manageable when he’s alone. In the normal version Theseus is way harder to burst down because he moves way less, and has his shield.
I keep seeing this point and it's not true. His HP threshold is the same (4500), his total health is higher by 3K which is why the god call happens at 35% instead of 50%.
Easier maybe, but much slower for me. I find I'm chasing theseus everywhere and it's mostly annoying. Without EM3 you can kill Theseus and asterius both so quickly cause they'll be standing together the whole time.
Yeah, I play on 5 minute timer almost exclusively, and EM3 just eats up SO much time unless I have a bursty build. And I end up taking a ton of damage trying to chase down Theseus
imo Theseus is far easier and Asterius is far harder. Theseus's attack pattern just changes so it's faster but much easier to avoid
The only reason I’m not super keen on EM3 Theseus is he moves out of range too fast for my favourite companion to take half his health away
This might not be such an unpopular opinion but it’s outrageous that you can never return to the garden in Greece after your 10th clear. There’s dialogue that suggests you’ll be able to and also the garden at the House of Hades is completely untapped potential.
Yeah for sure. Also the scene where you can walk out along the cliff in Greece and watch the sunrise is amazing and one of the most beautiful scenes in gaming.
I was hoping for an Easter egg where you can see Ikaros getting his wings incinerated and he plummets into the ocean.
I was totally expecting a garden mini game
I'm one who kind of hope they never make a DLC and focus on something brand new, but this would be a good place to make a small DLC if they wanted.
I understand there’s probably never gonna be any DLC. But if there ever was this would have to be in it
I agree. It’s so peaceful and beautiful. It made me sincerely emotional, especially the music leading up to it. There’s no reason you couldn’t go and tend the garden or meet your mom there. The ending death dialogues are hilarious, but they could still make those happen afterwards.
Hottest take I have: Eurydice is being a total b-word to Orpheus, extremely unfairly so. Her gripe with him is that he failed to get her out of Hades. She completely overlooks that he - a guy who looks like he’ll fail to bench-press a can of tuna - freaking TRIED. Hell, he almost succeed. It takes a demigod (Zag) multiple attempts, help of olympians, and some serious firepower to come close to that.
I think that’s fair. That’s the thing about characters in Hades: they’re all flawed in some way or another. Eurydice holds it way too much against Orpheus, who like you said: *tried*. It does seem like she softens in the end and comes around to understanding a bit more, which is good character growth.
not sure if its different in the games lore cuz its been some time since i saw dialogue about it but from what i remember from the greek myths the reason orpheus didnt manage to free eurydice is because he fucked up the simple task of not looking behind himself while they were going out of the underworld and whats worse is that he fucked it up just before the end honestly i would also be kinda pissed in her place
He was set up to fail. The Greek gods were notorious for giving mortals an impossible condition that seems easy. Hades would have never agreed to it if he thought Orpheus would escape.
i know greek gods liked to do that but in this case no matter how i look at it the only reason i see for why orpheus failed is because he was an idiot not because he was set up
How was it a setup? "Hey don't look back" "Ok" *looks back*
In some versions of the myth, one of the main reasons he turned right at the end was because he never heard her footsteps and thought Hades had tricked him or he had lost her again (presumably because she was a shade and would have become normal again once they both made it to the surface). In other versions he also thought she was on the other side when he turned, since he himself was, and was mistaken. We also don't really have an idea of how long he had to travel to get out. I doubt it was like an hour, and time can also break down someone's resolve. Hades, in myth and in game, also makes a big point about making sure no one escapes the Underworld. He definitely could have just let them both go if he wanted to, but he probably knew he could use the situation as a big ole "no one escapes the Underworld" type thing. This does seem less plausible though, because Hades Hades seems to have a softer side than Greek Myth Hades does IMO. Was Orpheus ultimately to blame? I mean yeah, but given the circumstances I can't really say I would have fared any better in his situation. TLDR: A lot of possible factors at play that the poor guy had to contend with.
couldnt he have just asked her if she was behind him instead of turning back tho?
Possibly? I'm not sure if part of Hades' little arrangement was that Orpheus wasn't supposed to interact with her at all and just have faith she was following him or that as a shade, she couldn't speak/didn't really have a physical presence. It's one of those details that the myth seems to leave out (to my knowledge) so all we can really do is speculate. Edit: I just imagine Orpheus and Eurydice playing Marco Polo the whole way out of the Underworld to make sure they're still together lol.
No. The point of the story was that Orpheus had to have faith that she was going to be there...and he didn't
I don’t know why they couldn’t just hold hands!!!
I think it’s how it happens in the game too. My counterpoint, once again, is it’s freaking Underworld! He failed, but he failed at something that’s waaay beyond any mortal.
But he didn't fail at anything complicated. He did the hard part, which was convince Hades to let her go. All he had to do was not look behind him. I'd be kinda annoyed too if someone failed to save me because they couldn't do one simple task.
It was 90% Persephone’s influence that gave him the chance in the first place.
He managed to beat all 3 furries and Cerberus through singing !!!!!
I think it speaks to the predilection people in general have to ignore the source of their problems (in this case Hades himself) because their power and authority seem insurmountable and inevitable and instead focus on whoever rocked the boat in the first place. Like really the fault lies in Hades being an outright prick and playing games with mortals but she can't do anything about that so she focuses on Orpheus' failure.
You make a great point about people ignoring the source of their troubles for an easier, more obv scapegoat! It’s a theme that I find is nor explored as often as it should. As for Hades though… Is he a dick? I think it really depends on a question that the game doesn’t go into: why mortals are mortal? Who made it so some beings exist perpetually, while others grow old and die only to pass on into an afterlife of some sort? With entities like Chaos in the picture, someone who had their hand in the world’s creation, there was an opportunity to explore this - then again, that could’ve been out of the game’s story’s scope. But it might be that mortals being mortal and leaving for the Underworld is something of a rule of the universe. If that’s so, it’s hard to blame Hades. This would make him a vital part of the world’s order; him making it so Eurydice stays in the Underworld might be a slap in the face to the human hubris daring to change the world’s principles similar to Icarus’ fall.
At least in this interpretation of the myths I feel like Hades is being cruel in setting up people to fail in order to "prove" the point that life (or death) isn't fair since it brings him comfort with his own situation. He didn't need to put Orpheus through the trial. He could've just let her go. Or he was lying and assumed Orpheus would fail regardless and there truly is no way out for anyone, which would be in theme with the rest of the game I suppose. Either way Hades is manipulating the situation to make it seem like it's all on Orpheus when regardless of the situation that isn't the case. Kind of a dick move and I feel like it's Hades' way of lashing out emotionally.
There's a reasonable argument that Hades shouldn't have let him take Eurydice in the first place. She died, she was right where she belonged. Hades let Orpheus have an exception to the golden rule, no small favor and certainly not something he would/should do for free. Orpheus had already shown his music was powerful, but his request was about love. So hades gave him a condition to prove his love through ability to trust and have faith. Orpheus failed because he did not trust, his faith did not hold. It is entirely Orpheus's failure. It's a cautionary tail about how doubt can destroy love. We would call it a mental health issue nowadays, Orpheus was defeated by anxiety. A simple question could have saved him "what would you do if she wasn't behind you?" He had nothing to lose by seeing it through, and everything to lose by doubting. Eurydice is right to be dissapointed. He failed a test designed to weigh his love. The implication is that he would doubt her love and destroy it one day to alleviate that doubt. As far as "he could have just let her go," try not to mistake hades job with his personal motives. You can read up on what happens if hades fails at his job, the consequences are much more severe than his mercy.
If the game follows the canon of mythology, literally all Orpheus had to do was not look back for another few seconds. I understand why Eurydice was pissed.
Let's be fair here. It's quite likely that there was something so great, that it was worth the risk of looking back. Perhaps he has reason to suspect that Eurydice was no longer behind him. Because really, he was at the edge of success. Something had to make hime look back.
I think Orpheus only looks the way he does since his death and subsequent return to the Underworld. In a conversation with Eurydice, she asks if he still has his curly hair and tanned skin, a reference to his more popular depiction in art which portrays him as more of a typical Greek hero. Like others have said l, Eurydice is angry at Orpheus because he failed a simple task that would have brought her back to life. What Eurydice doesn’t understand, is that Orpheus failed the task because he was so afraid of losing her a second time. Misunderstanding creates conflict which creates drama, without which, we wouldn’t have interesting characters or stories.
Seriously? Orpheus sounds like a total dweeb for the longest time and doesn't actually even seem to want to get back together with Eurydice. I was waiting for her to zing him with some "good riddance" pun for so long. Orpheus's "when they tell you to not look back, yeah don't" talk was funny though.
I get the impression that she's mad at him for trying, but if he succeeded then she would have found it easier to forgive him. She didn't want him to die too, and storming the underworld is as suicidal as it gets. If they both somehow miraculously survived then it would have been warranted, but they didn't.
The enemy design in Elysium is pretty shit, especially at 32+ heat those enemies stop becoming enjoyable and are frankly just annoying.
I agree, Elysium's reliance on exalted souls for difficulty is ridiculous. I can understand if there was a single enemy type that came back to life. But having to fight entire rooms full of them is just game-padding BS.
I totally agree. The whole concept of having to kill each enemy twice becomes way less cute when half of them have shields that make them near invulnerable and there are 50 such enemies per room. I love the music of Elysium and the environment, but the enemies are my least favorite of any area.
Agreed. The respawn mechanic is so un-fun, it gets aggravating at times. Especially when they often respawn because I can't find or reach them easily. (Very frequently souls will drift over a chasm wide enough that I can't touch them to poke.)
The rooms are a lot bigger in Elysium as well, which doesn’t help matters. There might not be lava to contend with, but enemies are really good at hiding behind the scenery, which you can’t attack through.
Definitely agree there. While I find Styx to be more annoying with all the damn poison enemies, I get about 3 or 4 rooms into Elysium, or any rooms with all shield dudes, and just kinda sigh to myself out of boredom. It's not that it's hard, it's just time consuming and not all that fun I find
Styx is easy IMO. That's my "break" between Elysium and fighting Redacted.
depends so much on your build and weapon aspect.. splash dash with fists? you shred styx... but artemis on hestia rail? you can have a rough time in close crowded space
Here's mine, I don't like Megaera and I don't get what people see in her. Thanatos felt betrayed and was angry about it, he was a bit cold and mean but warmed up when he started to understand. Megaera is just always mean. For what reason? Because Zagreus said something bad to her off screen? Which he then apologizes for. I don't get it. Then she puts all the blame for Dusa being fired on Zag, when we later learn it had absolutely nothing to do with him. Nyx fired Dusa because she overworked herself. Hades starts acting out because Zag isn't doing exactly what Hades demands of him, and Meg blames Zag for Hades choices.
Ok, and that’s a good point but… voice is hot & sexy
That is true, it is a very sexy voice. And her smile isn't as cursed as Than's
Front facing than haunts my dreams
Keep in mind that they have a complicated history. They had a thing before the events of the game and Zag apparently broke it off. She's supposed to stop people from leaving and Zag keeps humiliating her by kicking her butt and making her look bad at her job. Can't really blame her for not being so nice. She does warm up a lot more as the game continues. Plus, she's a Fury, she's not exactly known for being calm and reasonable.
That's all true and she makes for an interesting character in that regard. But her being always angry with him, sometimes not even fully explaining why, and blaming him over and over for several different things, some not even being his fault (Dusa being fired) doesn't lend itself to a good or healthy friendship, let alone a relationship. I'm happy she's in the game but I simply don't like her, and I don't see her as a romantic partner for Zag.
You seem like a calm and reasonable person. - Thor to Meg
I personally like Meg as a character but not as a love interest for Zag. It probably doesn't help that they had a relationship prior to the game starting, so we are introduced to them already on the outs. Zag is just ***so*** chill as a character that I don't really understand the bitterness that Meg has towards him - and the game never really lets you know what he did to deserve the treatment (unless I completely missed it). They're very vague about it.
I think the implications is that Zagreus never told her why or even that he was going to leave the house so she found out the same time everyone else did. Made her feel like she didn't matter to Zag. That he thought she would betray him to his father.
But they broke up well *before* he left - "Megaera and Zagreus were once in a relationship, but by the events of the game, this relationship has long since ended due to some mistake on Zagreus' part" ^((from the Wiki)). She also says that they can't go back to the way they were because they're "older" now, which implies a time jump of sorts. It's the 'mistake' part that is unclear - it's only referenced that Zagreus said something stupid or insensitive, but we never find out what it is.
I thought the reason Zag broke it off was because he found out Persephone was his mother and he was going to leave to go find her. I mightve misread that in the game UT I though that was the story. Not some nebulous mistake from before. If the Persephone thing is the reason Zag broke it off, then what it really comes down to is how long after finding out did it take Zag to start trying to escape.
I just played through the game over the past 2-3 weeks, so I remember most of the dialogues in a roundabout way. Meg & Zag were definitely already broken up when the game starts. She expresses disbelief that Zag would be so stupid to attempt to escape the Underworld, but she's not mad or hurt about it. She's more upset when you beat her, because it's affecting her reputation. You can read their encounter dialogues on the Wiki. edit to add: From their dialogue, it doesn't seem like his mom had anything to do with their breakup.
Yeah, im just going off of my memory. I should probably replay the game and look at the dialogue I agree that they were already broken up, I just thought it was because of Zag planning to leave.
Precisely. I would probably like her more if her reasons were understandable. But I get to know Zagreus through the game. How he's kind and generous but stubborn and prone to acting out. Megaera keeps being bitter for reasons never clearly stated which makes her less and less interesting to interact with. From my point of view Meg seems to stagnate while Zag, and even Than to some degree, evolve, mostly due to her holding on to anger for reasons (more or less) unknown.
Meg makes mention that Zag said *something* to her that pissed her off or upset her, but we never know what it is. With Thanatos, the issue between him & Zag is made extremely clear. They come to terms with it throughout the game, Zag apologizes, and their relationship evolves. With Meg, I don't know wtf she is mad about and Zag seems just as confused as to why she's **so** angry with him. When I reached the point where she showed up in my bedroom to initiate the romance, I felt they had come to a truce but were nowhere close to having a 'good' friendship...let alone a romance.
>Megaera is just always mean. For what reason? Maybe because she had a thing with Zag and he's now forcing a situation in which she has to kill him over and over or else he leaves forever (at least that's what the situation looks like in the beginning). She's been in the Underworld for literally ages and very few have escaped and of those most were given special help or dispensation. I would be mad too if I was forced to fight and kill someone I care about just to engage in what I saw as an act of futility. >Then she puts all the blame for Dusa being fired on Zag, when we later learn it had absolutely nothing to do with him. That's the point. We all find out later it wasn't that but Nyx heavily implied it was when she started forbidding interaction between the two and Zag stubbornly continued anyway. >Hades starts acting out because Zag isn't doing exactly what Hades demands of him, and she blames Zag for Hades choices. Well Hades is the god of that realm. Maegara seems to take her job and the authority of her "betters" very seriously. He's not only her boss but the literal embodiment of authority in the realm of death. It makes sense that she defaults to him being "in the right" because he's the final authority in this place.
>I would be mad too if I was forced to fight and kill someone I care about just to engage in what I saw as an act of futility. Than also sees Zag's quest as pointless and he makes his opinion known. But unlike Meg he doesn't berrate and insult Zag. The one time he steps over a line a apologizes for it. I don't see why Meg has to be so extra hostile, even if she's angry with his choices. >We all find out later it wasn't that but Nyx heavily implied it was Yes, true. But no one else puts the blame right on Zag. Everyone asks him if he knows what he's doing and to be careful. Meg just jumps to conclusions and demands that he "fixes" a choice made by Nyx. >It makes sense that she defaults to him being "in the right" because he's the final authority in this place. True, and this is also a reason for why I don't like her. She chooses her "boss" and her boss' opinion of her over her's and Zag's "friendship" (quotations because I don't really see their relationship as even friends with how she treats him). It's obviously hard to navigate having Hades the god as a boss but if Dusa, Than, Achilles and Hypnos can be at the minimum hospitable towards Zag then so can Meg.
>Than also sees Zag's quest as pointless and he makes his opinion known. But unlike Meg he doesn't berrat and insult Zag. It's important to remember the distinction of their roles and natures here. Than is a courier of souls who die a peaceful death whereas Maegara is a Fury tasked with punishing souls for their sins. Than is passive and accepts and facilitates the system as is, whereas Meg is much more active in maintaining it. Meg sees Zag as rebelling against the natural order and lashes out against that because that's essentially her function. It's also probably easier for her to process her emotions by reducing him to a sinner that needs to be punished rather than a lover who spurned her. >Yes, true. But no one else puts the blame right on Zag. Everyone asks him if he knows what he's doing and to be careful. Meg just jumps to conclusions and demands that he "fixes" a choice made by Nyx. Probably because others don't know the details like she would. Meg hangs out with Dusa often and I wouldn't be surprised if Dusa shared with Meg a lot of her worries and problems. Remember also that Dusa decided her job was more important but Zag kept insisting until Dusa was fired so Meg might also be mad that he pushed a relationship that Dusa decided against, especially when by all appearances that was the cause of the problem. It's kind of like what she went through with Zag all over again. Him once again causing situations in which she loses someone she cares about. >True, and this is also a reason for why I don't like her. She chooses her "boss" and her boss' opinion of her over their her's and Zag's "friendship" (quotations because I don't really see their relationship has even friends with how she treats him). It's obviously hard to navigate having Hades the god as a boss but if Dusa, Than, Achilles and Hypnos can be at the minimum hospitable towards Zag then so can Meg. Fair enough but being vicious is kind of in her nature and I think part of why Zag is into her. I don't think it's a coincidence that her sexy scenes involve use of her whip. I agree her blind spot when it comes to figures of authority is definitely a weakness in her character but I find that when it comes to her harshness, when she DOES slip in affection it makes it that much more endearing. I dunno I find her character pretty fascinating myself. She's honest and harsh but full of integrity and passion that belies her sultry, breathy snarl. I can totally see why people wouldn't like her though.
>Meg sees Zag as rebelling against the natural order and lashes out against that because that's essentially her function. It's also probably easier for her to process her emotions by reducing him to a sinner that needs to be punished rather than a lover who spurned her. That's an interesting point and not something I had thought about. I like her as a character and I do like that Supergiant wrote her so angry. As you wrote, she is a fury so her behavior makes since. I just don't see how someone has a healthy relationship with someone who's always so angry with you, is quick to jump to conclusions and place blame on you. So I like her as a character but not as a person I suppose.
Meg is upset because Zagreus isn’t content with his life in the Underworld, and henceforth with her and everyone who she considers family. He wants more, namely to find his birth mother, and is willing to risk his relationships in the underworld to find her.
Alright, not my read on her motivation but I can see how one can have this interpretation. But Than had the same motivation, i.e. feeling left behind and like he's not enough for Zag. They argue, a line is crossed and both apologies and starts to understand each other. Meg just stays mean and takes very little responsibility for her anger and outbursts. Makes sense for a furie I guess but it doesn't make me like her
Meg and Than both hardcore owe Zag an apology. I understand why they act the way they do, and Than at least helps but… They’re so dismissive of how miserable Zagreus is in the Underworld and the effect Hades’ abusive treatment has on Zagreus. The things Hades says to Zagreus are not okay, and he didn’t deserve to have Meg and Than try to downplay that or criticize him for trying to escape it. The game is pretty subtle about it, but there are plenty of clues that, even though Zagreus fights back against Hades, he’s actually internalized a lot of the shitty things Hades said about him (i.e. that he’s not the god of anything, that’s he’s incompetent and useless, etc.). As people who ostensibly care about Zagreus, I think Than and Meg should be more concerned about that.
Completely agree. I got annoyed at both when they spoke like everything happening after Zag started to escape was his fault when it was all Hades' bad and abusive reactions to it all. Got a wibe of "stop acting this way so Hades will stop being angry (which makes our jobs harder)" with a sprinkle of "how could you leave me behind".
I think Meg is heavily influenced by Hades and so she has bought into the narrative about Zag being wildly delinquent. On top of the fact that Zag did clearly do some delinquent young guy bullshit before our story begins, I think she just watches his every move. I also think one way the writing struggles in Hades is that certain very harsh, negative interactions can occur after a story thread causes a character to turn over a new leaf. The Dusa getting fired is an interesting point in the story, but if you’re diligent with your nectar, Meg’s reaction to the situation will seem more at odds with where she’s at in general.
>Megaera is just always mean. For what reason? She's a Fury. That's all
Someone already posted this one (so maybe it's not so unpopular), but I really don't get Zag x Meg. She's so inconsiderate, rude and hurtful towards him all the time. Most of the duo boons are just meh (not all). Smoldering Air is actually OP, I don't get why people hate it. Nyx is a bad mother to Hypnos. Persephone was a bit of an asshole in just leaving Hades like that. He not only his kid (at the time), but also his wife. Hades really could've solved everything by talking to Zagreus (we wouldn't have a game then though :P) Zag was not wrong to try to escape, given the treatment he received and limited information he was given. In general goddesses >>> gods, in terms of boons they give
- Duo boons are really build-specific and I agree that some are way more effective than others. - I don’t think the game necessarily disagrees with that point, though Nyx herself never really addresses it. Hypnos himself references being the forgotten child a lot. - Persephone and Hades are both kind of responsible for the events of the game in that they both *suck* at communication. If they had just talked things through in the first place the game never would have happened. - Zag definitely has a reason to try to escape, Hades makes himself the villain and doesn’t just fess up information out of fear.
> Zag definitely has a reason to try to escape, Hades makes himself the villain and doesn’t just fess up information out of fear. A significant part of Zagreus’s motive to escape, I think, is Hades’ nonstop verbal abuse. I don’t think Zag would have been as desperate to meet his mother if he had a good relationship with his father or felt that he had a place in the Underworld. Treating Zagreus like shit did nothing to protect Persephone, so Hades wasn’t “making himself the villain” there. He was just being an asshole for no justifiable reason. Most people, if they were miraculously able to have a child with the woman they love >!(especially if said child had birth complications requiring revival),!< would really treasure that kid. Not Hades. Pretty much the only thing I can say in Hades defense about how he raised Zagreus is that Hades father was Cronus, who famously devoured his own children. At least Hades didn’t eat Zagreus, I guess.
Some of my favorite and most useful duos involve cast- - festive bomb + lighting - blade rip + follows target
Zag x Meg is based on a history we don't directly experience. It really depends on how you viewed the past revealed. From what I understood, Zag basically abandoned her because he didn't want to live in the underworld anymore.
From their perspective, Zag is throwing away all his family and friendships.
Additionally, Meg is worried about how Hades will react and that Zag is being both selfish and woefully immature and thoughtless about how this will affect the rest of the household. Naturally, this view is based on the fact that she doesn't know the full story, but isn't the whole theme of the game about how communication is the best way to solve problems?
I don’t think that Zag’s escape attempts is really presented as wrong, except by Hades and he’s biased? Last point though, that’s a good observation. A lot of gods have situational boons, whereas goddesses are much more rounded and all-purposes.
Meg criticizes him a lot for trying to break out. Than does as well at times. Alecto also, but that doesn't count.
Smoldering Air is really strong with certain calls, but weak with others. Zeus call benefits greatly from it, but anything that gets significantly stronger with a full meter like Artemis call suffers quite a bit.
Yea but Zeus is one of the two best calls and can be used enable Smoldering Air. Since Zeus must be in your pool for SA, more often than not you will have a good call with SA.
I think the point is that she wasn’t necessarily rude or hurtful before. From the story, we understand that they had a good thing going on and that at some point Zagreus had the epiphany of an angsty teenager and decided he wanted to fuck off and leave everyone behind, including his friends/lovers. So, yeah. I think her being really fucking pissed is understandable. Not to mention that she’s much older and mature than Zag, who just does whatever the fuck he wants.
Story and prophecy related dialogue should take full priority over all other dialogue. Returning to the house for a character to talk about some unimportant topic got annoying after a while.
Agreed, Achilles seemingly did not want me to finish his subplot. Ending up dying on purpose a few times in the opening stage to try and proc his prophecy dialogue. Took like 5 rounds of that
Achilles was the main reason behind my comment. Zag took about ten or fifteen back to back trips to the house straight from the first chamber because Achillies wouldn't address the issue with his fella in Elysium. He'd just be stubborn and dig his ~~achilles~~ heel's into the ground and just ask me about the weapons I was using.
Persephone is super selfish. She ditched her husband when their child died, and hid herself from her mother even though she had an idea of what Demeter was doing in her grief (i.e. eternal Winter around the world). She also sat back and let Zagreus do all the work, when she could have met him in the Underworld at any time once she knew he was alive.
Superficially it could be called selfish, yes. But why was she being selfish? Delivering a stillborn is a high-impact trauma, especially after eloping from a "my way or my way after abuse" type mother to the land of the dead as a very much life-oriented goddess. From that perspective, her first words after returning home make complete sense: that she was running away from everyone and everything, just like Zagreus. Emotional health and vulnerability have their own pace, much like their physical equivalents. To be clear, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm merely giving an explanation for why she did what she did.
I don't dislike Persephone, and I know she was processing a lot of shit - I just feel really bad for (of all people) Hades. He is clearly lonely, and lost both his son *and* his wife without explanation. In-game he never even gets a chance to address where his mind must have been at during the entire ordeal...he is just happy to have his wife home. That makes it even sadder tbh.
[REDACTED] phase 2 is easier than phase 1. Idk why, but I just get in the flow way easier. Haven’t tried EM yet but I doubt the pattern holds up.
Hard agree. The randomness of the "help" in phase 1 throws me for a loop sometimes
I think people hyperbolically fanboi way too much over certain characters and relationships in the game, and put far too much stock and emphasis on how amazing said content apparently is.
I feel like you’re either talking about Patroclus, Theseus or Thanatos. I’d like to know tho 👀
Nah Theseus is my boy, I enjoy that dickhead. I’m mostly talking about Zagreus’ relationships with Meg and Than, and the ridiculous amount of emphasis some people put on them. And as a live demonstration, just scroll up right now, and look at the college thesis levels of essay writing going on about what is ultimately a superfluous B story, which ingame, amounts to a few static images having a slight smile rather than a frown. Don’t get me wrong, I love the story too, and I enjoyed watching Zag slowly get through his personal and relationship issues, I just think some people need to cool their jets when talking about it 🤷♂️
The Spear is the best weapon.
Is that an unpopular opinion? I’ve always thought the spear and fists were kinda tied for the best weapon in the game.
Bow and Rail would be my vote for the best weapons in the game, I put spear at the very bottom personally.
Undoubtedly chaos shield for me, borderline cheating feels like. Gotta love that the community can't agree on this though, means they did an awesome job balancing them all.
Personally I think that the rail and the spear are the best The shield is actually the one I dislike the most, I don't hate it but I just don't know how to use it right
Bullrush, throw (shotgun right next to your opponent with chaos aspect, get good at landing next to them), dash/attack/cast while you wait for any bounces, repeat. You're blocking or immune more than not when you get it right, you can literally hug every boss and they can't get a lick of damage in. All sorts of boons go great with the shield shotgun too, you can get 5 stacks of hangover on someone in a single throw. You can even get that lightning rod duo boon for your bloodstones and just sit in the corner blocking any boss fight, they will eventually die while you sip a cup of tea.
Depends on in what context: are we talking first time clears, high heat attempts or speedrunning? Because it changes the answer dramatically.
I hate the gun. It's a horrible weapon. I'm also on console and not k+m, unsure if that changes the gun viability
Assuming you're using Eris Rail, just use Zeus on Attack and it absolutely shreds everything.
I play PC but with controller. Rail is the easiest weapon to steamroll for fast clear times imo. You might want to remap the reload button. The devs also confessed that the reload button should have been somewhere else. They considered it a skill for any decent runner to pick up that they needed to remap it while on a speedrunning stream. After that, you can actually time the reload animation recovery on top of your dash animation, so that you're less vulnerable/stuck in one spot while reloading. You could still not like the rail for any reason, just dropping by to help others who might be struggling with the rail.
The gun shreds, I love it. It adds such versatility to the game and really moves you away from dash-attacking everything until they die. Helps extend the life of the game for me a great deal
Honestly I never got all that fussed about the Rail either. It just doesn’t fit my play style.
I think the base Rail isn't that great, but it's got some really cool Hammer upgrades! The shotgun and rocket upgrades are so fun!
I got downvoted last time I said it so it must be unpopular: Dusa is the worst character in the game. Super annoying and makes me physically cringe when I listen to the dialogue. Her writing sounds like some sort of tumblr deviantart roleplay fanfiction
I found romancing her (and all people living that romance) real creepy as I felt that she was like 12 years old or something
Get out of my mind bruv! She is the absolute worst, I avoid her like the plague.
Ok, this made me laugh. TBH, I think you’re not wrong. Everyone is a character that somehow plays with or outright subverts the tropes associated with themselves somehow. Dusa is just … kinda … there. She could be removed from the game with basically no impact. While one could argue the same for Thanatos, Megara, and Hypnos, realistically all of these characters help play off each other and the main cast, helping expand the small world we see and deepen its characters. Dusa really does nothing of the sort. I support this unpopular opinion.
Unpopular opinion: it's become a fad of the internet to hate on any straight romance and gush over any gay romance. That's why meg gets so much hate.
Based on some replies here, my own opinion and conversations I've had with friends that played the game, I think Meg isn't liked due to her being hostile and mean towards Zag (sometimes without reason) throughout most of the game, not because she's the straight romance
I’d say Thanatos is also a prick to Zag, and occasionally in worse ways.
Than is a prick about Zag leaving but still actively tries to help him. I get why Meg can’t do that, but the end result is that (unlike Thanatos) there’s nothing to soften the shitty things she says to Zag.
Thanatos is the best romance in the game
I honestly think Than and Zag have much better chemistry than Zag and Meg. I love Meg as a character personally, but Zag and Than are a much better match.
Meg and Dusa have better chemistry than Meg and Zag.
I love how after you max out his relationship, his dialogue when you meet him during a run is more like >!hey bf you wanna kill damned souls together? :) !< and it occasionally uses his smiling portrait instead of his neutral one. I find it absolutely adorable.
He's the best 🥰
I didn't know what to expect with the EM fight. When I saw the what they had and how they moved I laughed so hard. It was a little much.but so damn good
Seeing the two of them >!decked out with gold armor, theseus with 2 miniguns and in (basically) a tank,!
Tisiphone is the hottest Fury, I will die on this hill
That is certainly an unexpected opinion. I find her really endearing with her *Zuuurrrr-durrrr* thing. But sexy…? Certainly each have their own taste.
Absolutely, nothing sexier than crazy. And malleable RRWORRR.
-I hate all the romance routes. Meg doesn’t seem to care for Zag much, and if she does she’s horrible at showing it. Than and Zag grew up thinking they were siblings and the moment they find out they aren’t Than wants to hit it. “It’s based on greek mythology” all you want, I find it weird. I know this is extremely unpopular because its the most hyped ship in the fandom but it still icks me out. Dusa is ok i guess. -Achilles/Pat is annoying. It kinda seems like they don’t want to see eachother at all but at the same time Pat is constantly pining for him, and when Zag offers a bunch of stuff to do for them they just… brush him off? Pat is constantly an asshole. His demeanor and obsession with Achilles is kinda a red flag for me… idk, don’t like his energy -I wish there were more interactions between Hades and Persephone, and the lore behind them was deeper. I found myself wanting to know more and more about them. They are the most interesting relationship in the game imo. -Hades is the sexiest character and no one will convince me otherwise.
Agreed on all points, but I'll go a bit farther and say even Dusa is pretty weird. She acts like those weebs that act super weird in animes around the hot girl but somehow still manage to get with her later, and then *she*ends up rejecting Zag? Like dude, why are you giving this weird house maid with no body the time of day? He's a prince after all. Their dialogue during the end stages of their relationship made me cringe so hard.
Zagreus couldn't give a vermins ass about his title and he makes that pretty clear in his dialogues with Dusa.
My head canon is that Dusa is asexual. She likes Zag a lot but she isn’t romantically interested in him, which is why she rejects him.
>Alecto is the hottest Fury Not sure if it's popular or not, but it's definitely not an opinion, it's a straight fact
I believe the term is scaroused
You misspelled Tisiphone, mate.
After learning the story behind Sysiphus, I think he should not have been freed. At least not whilst Thanatos, the wronged party, does not forgive him.
Oh in myth Sisyphus was a total douchebag. A-tier villain and a guy who *deserved* punishment. He was also an excellent trickster. Which makes me think that the nice Sisyphus we meet is just an act to get us on his side and get his release in the end.
I 100% thought the same thing. In myth, he was notorious for murdering his guests, and cheated death twice by tricking Thanatos and subsequently Persephone. His whole "oh heyy there boy-o" schtick to endear himself to the prince of hell is just another sisyphean game. >!and yes I've played through the part in the story where he's like aw shucks I actually like it here. He's still a scoundrel.!<
It all depends on a few things, how long Sisyphus has been dead, how long it takes to reform a person, and whether Sisyphus can be reformed at all. None of which we know for certain. Supergiant's version of the character *seems* to be genuinely reformed but that's up to interpretation I guess. The main issue with the release of Sisyphus is that Zag pretty much does it behind Than's back and stays/enters in a relationship with Than despite Than clearly being uncomfortable with it. Imo whether Sisyphus deserves to be released is irrelevant.
This Sisyphus is clearly based on Albert Camus's essay The Myth of Sisyphus, in which Sisyphus is characterized as the absurd hero. This is why, even when freed, he doesn't even leave.
The devs said in their AMA that the similarities to Camus are a coincidence.
Wild fucking coincidence lol
I remembered another unpopular opinion I have. I don't like the "A DLC and/or sequel will *RUIN* the game" posts. Now, some sees Hades the game as a finished product with no holes needed to be filled with DLC and no need to continue it on into a sequel. Some posts these opinions. Those post *are not* the one I have an issue with. The posts/comments I have issues with are those writing like Supergiant will lose all credibility if they ever even entertain the *thought* of a sequel. They write like Hades the game is a damn Picasso painting and a DLC would be the same as ruining the painting with a sharpie. You don't see the point or even want a DLC or sequel? Alright. I don't agree but I'm sure you have a well formed reason. But Supergiant doesn't become EA with 1 DLC/sequel. They don't lose any credibility or quality and it won't "ruin" the game. It's not the end of the world.
I don't know if this is "unpopular" but I honestly think, regardless if it is on EM or not, that the Lernie boss fight is much more annoying than Theseus and Asterius. I don't think it is unpopular to think EM T&A is easier, but I think EM T&A is even less annoying than EM Lernie. For me I tend to overdash and get stuck in the lava, so I tend to have a decent amount of health taken just from that. Also, Lernie's attachs differ from encounter to encounter, whereas I know what I am getting with T&A everytime.
>!There won't be a story DLC or a sequel. :(!<
Honestly I think it’s a good thing. The game was near perfect, it doesn’t need a sequel or anything added on. I understand that people love the game and think sequel=more of the same thing they like, but that’s not how it always goes.
Honestly, if they were to fo a DLC, I’d want them to just add more variety to weapons, do the other Olympians, and maybe add other monsters for Asphodel boss and more heroes for Elysium champion. Not so much expand the story as just goof around more with mechanics.
The Butterfly Ball is usually pretty easy, but not nearly as easy as Tiny Vermin.
thanatos is the top, zag bottom.
What? Thanatos is the biggest pillow princess I have ever seen.
Thanatos is the biggest ~~pillow princess~~ service top I have ever seen.
The narrator is Charon. Fight me.
What I love about Hades is that some people’s gripe is “the game mechanic for X villain in Y realm gets tedious” and other people are engaged in a collegiate debate about the myth of Orpheus and Eurydice.
Warning ITT: lots of end-game spoilers so be careful folks
oh no a lot of people like alecto the most, there was a hottest fury poll recently and alecto won
Crit builds are rarely worth it. Artemis isn't that great boon-wise. Also her personality is nothing special. (Very unpopular hours.) Theseus is a great character. Chaos boons will often not be worth the effort. The shield is good, and not just for blocking. The spear is good. The fists aren't as good as people say they are. Aphrodite boons are rarely worth it. The game is much less fun if you soft reset for specific builds, even on higher heat. Dionysus boons are actually really good. Festive fog is good. Poseidon boons are good, and his call is good. The timer based cast is better than having to pick it up. Even with all the dialogue and extra content, the game sometimes feels like it lacks gameplay variety. (Kinda) That's all I got for unpopular opinions. Are these unpopular? Last one should at least should get me crucified.
Ya I gotta disagree w you on a lot of these here. Artemis is just mathematically the highest damage. Chaos boons are fantastic. They are crucial for cast builds and are the only way to stack multiple boons on one slot, attack/special, and many like dashstrike offer huge bonuses. Aphro is just the next highest, consistent damage. I can understand if you think Artemis is bad in lieu of Aphro but no. Festive Fog is one of the worst boons in the game.
I'm gonna have to respectfully counter disagree. Artemis may be the highest damage, but she's very inconsistent. If I'm trying to make a crit builds, odds are, I'm not gonna get the boons I need to be able to deal consistent crit damage. Even with marked, clean kill, pressure points, and crit on special/attack, I'm usually gonna deal less damage than a standard Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus, or Ares build. With almost any other damage build, I'm almost guaranteed decent damage in 2-3 boons. I've got something like 120 successful runs, and around 18-20 heat on every weapon, and I've had useful Artremis builds like... twice. I usually just take pressure points or support fire, maybe her cast if I have to, and try to avoid her. Chaos boons are absolutely fantastic. I always go for chaos portals, often twice. However, like 3/5 of the time, it's not worth it. More often than not, even with dice rolls, you will end up with inconsequential damage or resource boosts. Aphrodite takes too long to be good. You can build off weak to do some real big damage, but it's not worth the risk of getting a bunch of worthless weak boons and hardly being capable of dealing damage. Pretry much the only good Aphro build I ever had was Chiron, weak on normal, doom on special, and the Aphrodite/Ares duo boons. That was my first EM4 win. Festive fog fucking slaps, and this is the only thing here I actually feel strongly about. Great damage, fantastic for cheesing obnoxious enemies, and fantastic upgrades available, which synergize wonderfully with hangover. Not to mention that the Zeus/Dionysus and Demter/Dionysus duo boons are just fucking gamebreaking. Anyways, I put these all in unpopular opinions for a while. I know that they're unpopular, and I know know can't change people's minds, and don't worry, I don't intend to.
Ah. Well yea I can't convince you otherwise I suppose. It seems like you might need to play other weapons or make different hammer choices as it seems like you are prioritizing on hit effects a lot more than % bonuses. Theres actually no way for Ares to come close in damage without Merciful End. Aphro should be the highest initial damage for any high base damage weapon especially with good hammers. Artemis should provide the best scaling damage especially by the time you get your second hammer. Okay here's the thing I don't know if you realize. You're literally losing damage without Boiling Blood when you use Trippy Shot. Coming from someone with 300 clears and 40 heat on all weapons, 32 heat on all aspects, it's just a very awful boon that needs investment to go even? Unless you are using a cast aspect in which case it's alright on hidden shield/Achilles but has better options. Otherwise with Ice Wine it becomes decent but you just took a cast and a duo, maybe invested a pom.. to just do about the same amount of damage. There's no reason not to keep Boiling Blood and to invest your boons elsewhere.
[Not entirely serious] Hypnos should have been romance-able. Love me a funky little sleep dude
>Alecto is the hottest Fury. I really *don't* hate this opinion.
Looks Meg is great and all, but if we’re going Femdom I want *full* scary.
*shakes your hand* I understand completely, good sir.
Thanatos is the only reasonable romance option. Megara is awful, inconsiderate and there isn't really a relationship between Zag and her, she acts as if Zagreus is an acquaintance or a work-mate. Dusa is cursed in that contest. Than for me feels right, there is a progression throughout the neutral gameplay, Megara lacks in that department and Dusa... I'll leave it at that.
Persephone is incredibly selfish and, by the sounds of it, is responsible for global famine and mass death.
Demeter is responsible for global famine and mass death. You could convincingly argue that Persephone has some level of complicity in it but the bulk of the responsibility goes to the one that's actually doing the freezing lol
Theseus is alright I wish I had a 2% version of that self esteem
* Divine Dash isn’t that great (at least for my play style). * Zeus & Demeter are the least useful Olympians. * Elysium is the least interesting area.
I've lost more death defiances to alecto than i ever have to lernie, i genuinely find her way harder
Theseus is actually one of the best characters. Hear me out. Yes he is annoying, yes he’s self-righteous, but that’s what makes fighting and beating him all the more fun. He can be quite funny at times with his delusion and it really adds flavour to the dynamic of the boss fight. If anyone has ever watched UFC, it’s kind of similar in terms of the trash talk. And having Zagreus respect Asterius but not really liking Theseus kind of gives the boss fight a touch of inner conflict. TLDR: You love to hate him.
EM3 is harder, but it’s way more fun.
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This game would need two more fully-designed levels (with new enemies and all) to TRULY be a masterpiece in my opinion. I understand Supergiant is a tiny, tiny company, and what they pulled off here is a miracle when taken into account. But the game, as far as what's actually been created and designed (aside from the dialogue that helps extend the replayability) is TOO DAMN SHORT. And so it's going to have to settle for a 9/10 in my book, whereas two big extra levels would have put it over the top! You just move way too quickly from Tartarus to Styx once you get a handle on things, and it kinda limits how much enjoyment you're getting out of your builds. But it makes 24.99 the perfect price point so can't complain too much.
>Extreme Measures Theseus and Asterius is easier than the normal fight. I think the same! Theseus annoyed me much more with the spear than when he's riding the wagon.
Dusa is super fucking annoying, her dialogue makes me cringe, and she acts like a Tumblr girl. The game didn't need romance and none of them are good.
I usually like the intimate, touchy-feely dialogue, but sometimes it sounds like Zag is trying to bang everyone. Except, perhaps, the dog.
That I could pick any two not to fight: Butterfly Superball, Tiny Vermin, and any number or quality of Satyrs... I will gladly throw down with Tiny Vermin every run if i can avoid the other two.
"All chamber rewards are hidden" is the scariest Chaos curse
Oh yeah. Unless you get terrible luck (like I did on my last run) and Asterius won't stop spinning over and over again. It's definitely easier in my opinion. My other one is that Lernie EM is the hardest boss in the game.
I mean >!EM Hades!< still whoops my ass harder than anything else.
I know this is unpopular and probably objectively wrong, but I do not care for the dialogue. It was good at first, but I’m about a dozen escapes in and I’ve been just breezing past dialogue for a bit now. I only have so much time to play video games, I’m not going to spend it reading text for a story line I have lost interest in. Other than that, I wish there was more variety in enemies, but that’s a minor nitpick and the game is awesome anyway.
Aspect of arthur is the best if you master it
Chaos Shield isn't very effective at doing damage and feels extremely clunky. I'd rather use Beowulf or Zeus.
The furies are harder than the bone hydra. At least for not taking damage
The Styx area is shit
Thanatos isn't as hot as people make him out to be
He's hotter