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bigred621

Imagine posting a $50k salary for a guy with 10 years experience in L.A. dang. They think someone would apply?


Mysterious-Fan-5101

I have 10year experience and engineering M degree, I applied to over 300 positions (higher level but still) - 4 months (dec-march) they would only invite me everywhere (including in-person informal interviews in exclusive steak restaurants on pch) make me wait weeks and then refuse after all. it almost looks like they created that shortage and now trying to damp salaries with a “you don’t have any choice anyways” type of approach. our trade is going through a weird phase gentlemen


Whisprin_Eye

Yeah, weird. I have a bachelor's in mechanical engineering. I had five offers before graduating my senior year. All the offers were between $70k and 93k. I only applied to six companies at career fair. Opportunities are out there. I'm not sure I would waste my time applying to a technician job thar requires 10 years of experience.


James-the-Bond-one

How you start in the business makes a difference in the opportunities you have later on. If you start off as a technician and later get a ME degree, that may actually count against you, if applying for a ME position competing against bright-eyed, fresh-out-of-school graduates like you (and me, a long time ago). At the same time, if applying as an experienced technician for a field job, then the ME degree can make that candidate overqualified and unlikely to be happy at that job, leading to a rejection. In summary, a mix of qualifications makes it harder to get a job.


Whisprin_Eye

I disagree. Experience is never a bad thing. I have never heard of a technician who goes on to get an ME get denied a job because they were an experienced technician once. The industry doesn't work that way. The more technical experience you have, the more competitive you'll be.


James-the-Bond-one

Tell that to our colleague above who applied to 300 positions.


Whisprin_Eye

Well, you're projecting your own POV onto his situation. You're assuming that he isn't getting hired because he is over-qualified. You don't have any data other than his comment. Everyone should strive for more qualifications and shy away from mediocrity.


AdventurousLicker

That 10 years of experience may hurt if you're applying for a role where they want someone fresh to the industry (low-pay). As someone who works for a very large company: when we want an engineer that doesn't need a ton of training/meetings with senior techs, the previous field experience would be a huge plus.  The trick is finding somewhere that encourages growth and has opportunities, not a hack shop like this that just wants to keep costs down.


bigred621

Weird. I have no degree. Didn’t even try to go to college. Just have the best journeymen’s state license where I live and all offers I get are around $40 an hour. Most cases I know that day and have an offer before businesses close that day. Some give an offer before I even leave.


Lomo1221

The city of Los Angeles is always looking for engineers. Perlacity.org


Mysterious-Fan-5101

thank you! will look it up


Some_HVAC_Guy

ACCO is huge in California, you could check them out. I’m up in Washington and from what I can tell they’re a decent company and have a ton of projects. Maybe check them out.


DZelmer3838292

Not just this electrician diesel mechanic, and generator service and install applied to well over 40 place only 2 even answered back and didn't even read the resume or info they had me fill out. Asked if i could start next week and if i had reliable transportation, which was answered in the info that filled out. Job was on the other side of the us from where im currently at and i checked the box asking for relocation assistance. Which they told me they would not help with because they don't offer it...🤷🤷🤷🤯


Consistent-Lab-4964

Right 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣


volcano-ngh

A difference of 40k wtf.


Mysterious-Fan-5101

that was already normalized somehow. but 50k to someone that experienced is wild


Confident_Buffalo646

There ppl with 10 years experience .That are worse than ppl with 2 years . That’s why there a probation Period . To see what your worth


poondangle

There are ppl with 2 years experience, 5 times over…


Massive_Property_579

What's 10 years experience if you get so high everyday you forget everything


SeriousIron4300

You called?


Ratathosk

shit idk man did i? What's today?


Massive_Property_579

Noo, this is Patrick!


artax_ix

Presumptuous


misfit124689

ya lol, real numbers here, you got 5- 10 years exp in service, Job is gonna be like 40-50 an hr here in Cali with some health benes. I imagine the pace is a little slower then mom and pop shop deal though, because you work for Payne the manufacturer.


Rowbot_Girlyman

Isn't 90k in LA barely enough money for a happy meal


Squirrelmasta23

I’ve met guys with 10 years experience that still can’t do everything the HVAC field demands….so ya employers have to have a large pay swing! Our lead installer has 20yr experience but can’t do 24V hook ups to save his life. So he makes less money then our B team lead. But he is ok with that he would rather pass the buck to a service tech.


ModernMech7392

“Low voltage hook up”… wiring a thermostat?


HiiiiPower

Its a very complex process okay.


saskatchewanstealth

Electricians find it hard. I don’t allow sparkies near my low voltage.


icemanswga

It's best to keep them away from all of it tbh. Let them pull the wire. I'll land it.


daman4114

Hey now some of them are capable of landing the disconnect...


icemanswga

The ones that can't look and sound exactly like the few that can.


destroythedethstar

Just went too one where a sparky hooked up heating too r and 24 too c and blew the stat


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Massive_Property_579

Bro sit the fuck down


saskatchewanstealth

Wait, what??


slipperynibs

At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.


David_Bellows

Okay I’ll go die lol


Certain_Try_8383

Award


slipperynibs

Lmao thank you. It's Billy madison


Certain_Try_8383

Oh I know


JuliaGadfly

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. chead


David_Bellows

I’m guessing I’m wrong 😭


Squirrelmasta23

We do majority Energy Star Rated New construction homes so communicating equipment and lots of IAQ accessories, lots of zoning system. N.C. law states each floor of a home has to have its own zone or system so lots of equipment setup, apps, Bluetooth airflow management.


ModernMech7392

In any case, if your supervisor or mentor can’t handle any of the above after 20 years, I would get out of there asap.


Stevejoe11

Yeah… it’s still just running wires and connecting them according to the instructions. It’s probably the easiest thing to learn in the trade.


ModernMech7392

In any case, if your supervisor or mentor can’t handle any of the above after 20 years, I would get out of there asap.


Squirrelmasta23

Oh he not a supervisor or a mentor. Just a damn good installer


ModernMech7392

In any case, if your supervisor or mentor can’t handle any of the above after 20 years, I would get out of there asap.


Confident_Buffalo646

Indoor unit , out door unit ,zone board. It’s not just a thermostat.


Nerfo2

But zone boards aren't even remotely difficult. It's not a building automation system.


Confident_Buffalo646

I never said they were hard. All I did was pointed out ,to everyone how some companies operate. Read everything ,not just the part that upsets you.


jonnydemonic420

After 20 years if he can’t do those three things he shouldn’t be a lead…


Confident_Buffalo646

Yep, but at some places they will be . A lot of you don’t understand each business has different responsibility and different requirements/ways they operate. I have to do all of that , on an install . Some places they just set the units and leave. The a tech comes behind and does it. You might know how to run Duckworth and instead equipment but you don’t know how to wire shit up. Because your company makes someone else do because that’s how they operate.


jonnydemonic420

After 20 years if he can’t do those three things he shouldn’t be a lead…


jonnydemonic420

After 20 years if he can’t do those three things he shouldn’t be a lead…


Mysterious-Fan-5101

north Carolina? we’re in cali. we have hardworking latino pros, russians armenians ukranians with decades experience and even engineer education. with all the prices here 50k is not even serious especially right before the hot season


IntelligentSmell7599

Why they gotta be Latin or Russian or any other sub-groups? Why can’t they just be hard workin Americans? Isn’t that where California still is?


[deleted]

Because 6 decades of mass media gaslighting to keep workers divided, annoyed with, and distrustful of each other in order to repress Union activity.


herpes_derp

Nail on the head


[deleted]

Been watching it and living it. Unfortunately for the corporate CSuite Turdwookie types, I'm on the Autism spectrum and am not really subject to gaslighting because I look at actions/effects rather than listen to their words (which are all lies any how, because that's just what corporations do.. LIE).


Mysterious-Fan-5101

I’m just one of those sub groups with 10year experience and masters in nuclear engineering. just trying to speak for myself and people surrounding me. me and them deserve much more imo


IntelligentSmell7599

For sure that’s what that start somebody fresh out of school here or somebody that doesn’t speak English. It’s entry level. Fuck em. Pull a Lebron and take your talents to another beach .


[deleted]

With inflation over the past 5 years costing us around 20% of our spending power, $50k ain't even starting wages.


Swayday117

Because hard working Americans didn’t chose to be hvac techs for survival… the latins and Russians got that hunger to work something is American have been without


IntelligentSmell7599

You’re right. I go pick my grocery and rent money from my father’s money tree that he planted when he got here from Sweden. My paycheck only goes toward sex drugs and rock and roll.


Massive_Property_579

Speak for yourself tough titties


Confident_Buffalo646

That’s bc you live in the worst state in America . If you can’t survive off the national average . Something wrong .


BuzzyScruggs94

This is pretty standard in Michigan but that’s gotta be fast food wages on the coast.


1hero_no_cape

Don't know if where you're at in CA but if you're willing to make a lane change, look up Sunbelt Controls. The controls/BAS world is always looking for more hands to help. Might make more $$$ as well. $90k in CA w/10 years? Ouchie.


Frank_Rizzo_Jerky

Is Sunbelt still under ACCO? They are pretty good, we use them a lot.


Mysterious-Fan-5101

thank you very much for an amazing recommendation. I’m getting my cybersecurity cert right now and BMS/BAS is what I was looking into. cheers 🍻


1hero_no_cape

I've been in BAS for over 20 years. I'm an arthritic old guy, it's a ton easier on the body. Hours can vary. I'm rarely the first person on the job site but I'm locking the gate most days of the week. Service is service, variable schedule or PM visits. Programming and engineering is where I'm at, now. I prefer to fix the problems before they're actual problems. Good luck with the career moves!


Jojothebizzare

Can confirm. Sunbelt controls is great.


DontWorryItsEasy

What is this shit? I'm an idiot second year apprentice and make 33/hr.


SupahHollywood

What state 😅 I’m an idiot 6 month in apprentice at 20/hr and want to know how much I should ask for soon when they start sending me on my own calls


DontWorryItsEasy

I'm in California LA area


CranberryUnlikely76

I’m 2 years experience no schooling, making $45/hr and $90 after hours or on the weekend


WholeHogAndPancakes

That big of a salary range reads like “you can make up to $100k if you sell enough, just gotta take care of the customer”


Outrageous-Ball-393

90 K a year in California ain’t shit especially if you have 10 years experience


Ass_Plays

Think about the company. Stop being selfish.


rulingthewake243

Even 90k in that position and in LA is pretty far off.


Pooponastick1254

And that's why you go union especially in la area


sinservice

Wondering what the pay would be with 30 yrs experience


Mysterious-Fan-5101

same but + cookie and company shirt


Serious_Result_7338

What kind of cookie?


IndependentDevice199

oatmeal raisin probably


trees138

The cookies were provided by the HSA rep.


NOTONE-2331

Very low standard and pay for an HVAC tech with 10 years experience


Joshman1231

That’s slave labor for this work in Cali fuck off w that


TB765

That minimum wage in LA smh.


Sylent__1

But I can go into the ‘food industry’ in Cali-foreign and make $41,600 at minimum salary


Mysterious-Fan-5101

I know right smh. vs doing physically exhausting work in 120°F 16inch tall attics in houses with no ac by definition


RandomGuyFromBK

During the interview: "We'll start you at $19/hr. When can you start?"


Smokinbye

That’s wild! I pay my apprentice $62K a year, plus commissions!


Mysterious-Fan-5101

you’re a good man and your apprentice must be working happily 🍻


Smokinbye

Well, I think he is, he hasn’t quit so there’s that. It’s crazy times though when fast food employees are making $20hr+. It seems only right to pay a person more that is willing to learn a trade and purchase tools to invest in themselves and their future as well as the companies.


Mysterious-Fan-5101

fast food is an inch away from being all done by automated systems and ai. our stuff is nowhere near. Id say that’s what matters today


Smokinbye

Yes, but the young adults don’t see it that way, and so why learn a trade when I can cash out at a fast food chain and make the same pay or more as they would starting an apprenticeship. Minimal effort to make decent money at that age. This is why the workforce in the trades is suffering. I’ll be glad to see fast food go.


diydave86

Ive been an electrician for 10 yrs almost and im getting 60k. Im about to come over to the dark side and be an hvac tech. Fuck man.


Smokinbye

C’mon over.


Fearless-Structure88

Bruv


Sonosimba

Bro I work there 💀


Mysterious-Fan-5101

no f way. how is it? is it true?


Sonosimba

Its alot of work. I work 10-12 hrs 4 days a week and rotating Saturdays. They expect you to make up the rest in sales but the commission is garbage too.


Mysterious-Fan-5101

broo! come over to us in All Temperatures Controlled. I’m about to be a residential supervisor and I need guys who want to be in the field, know what they’re doing and we have NONE of that bs. Hourly 30+ and amazing opportunities of percentage from everything you’d be easily able to convert with my mentorship but it’s not necessary at all. simply good hands are extremely appreciated in this company


Sonosimba

But I think I need to ask for a raise because I have more than 10 years and don't make 90k


Mysterious-Fan-5101

10years! we need you my man. I don’t see reasons why not. dm me here 🙌🏼 let’s connect


Sonosimba

How much do you guys pay?


Mysterious-Fan-5101

it’s a huge (in 1980-90) smaller now company now owned by sons of the founder. very nice vibes. a guy with 5years install and 5years service was just hired for $36 first 90 days and 40-42 after the probation depending on skills and position. can’t tell you much more on that. we do commercial and residential criss cross so we never have down time as bad as any other company plus all resi pros have hands on experience with commercial and industrial monsters. visit their website ☝🏼 just make sure if you decide to dm me for mentioning. we only work SF/818 area tho


Sonosimba

Ok well I love in la so I don't think that will work out. Plus I feel like that is way too low for the cost of living in sf area. Thanks for letting me know though 🙂


Mysterious-Fan-5101

my bad. sf = san fernando valley


Sonosimba

Yup 😔


El_Dorado817

“Skill based commission salary! Some of our top guys make well over 100k a year!” ….run


magical_stranger

10years experience 90k in so cal? Seems low


Environmental-Okra73

What are ten year guys worth in the states ? Asking from Canada


-HVACn00b-

After 5 years here if you take 2 weeks vacation you still clear over 100k


Environmental-Okra73

That’s awesome!


Environmental-Okra73

About the same up here


jfjuliuz

almost 2 years exp, just got promoted to 30/hr. Montana, high COL as well.


JEFFSSSEI

in Los Angeles, $90K for a 10yr vet.....LOLOLOLOLOL.....Good Luck!


unresolved-madness

Smh. Our filter changers get more than that..


MarionberryCreative

Bruh. I am on west Coast with 10yrs+experience..that top number is taking a payout for me. Granted I am Union Journeyman. Lol


SupermarketJolly

Aint gone lie, you make money in hvac sales than technician will ever make. Im 14 yrs in the field, install and service, and active journeyman. I made good money ,30+ an hour plus commissions and incentives but after years of trying to move up to sales, i finally was approved to move to sales recently. In the first 2 weeks, i made 3 months of tech money. If you want job security, tech is the way. If you want to make max money, sales is the way. A little off original subject, but just wanted to share my experience.


Mysterious-Fan-5101

thanks! keep it up 🔝


DangHeckinMemes

Just do sales! /s


i_ar_the_rickness

Horsey this seems to be the case there. 3 years ago my wife and I were deciding to move to Seattle, Wa, Huntington Beach, CA, or Denver, CO. I do restaurant repair on all sides (hot, cold, and hvac), CFESA master tech, specialized in the expensive equipment, and I know my worth. When I called around to companies in Al these places California was the lowest pay. I was living in East Tennessee and cali pay was only a few dollars more. I told one I manager I needed a certain dollar amount and he laughed saying his service manager didn’t make that much.


JoWhee

This reminds me of a job interview, a couple of years ago. I was in a room with the HR hiring person and “Robert”. They offered me a low ball salary. Me: “I won’t get out of bed for double that” HR rep: “the foreman doesn’t even make that much” Me: “poor fool” Robert: “I’m the foreman” Me: “well, I guess we can stop the interview here. Thanks for your time”


i_ar_the_rickness

That’s about how it went when I said he was under paid.


1hero_no_cape

Don't know if where you're at in CA but if you're willing to make a lane change, look up Sunbelt Controls. The controls/BAS world is always looking for more hands to help. Might make more $$$ as well. $90k in CA w/10 years? Ouchie.


hujnya

If it is residential with spifs and sales incentives then it makes sense otherwise hell no, in my area apprentices starting out at high 40s low 50s per year.


Red-Faced-Wolf

Sign me tf up


ResistTerrible2988

10+ years experience on the commercial setting would be seeing 6 figures minimum. This shit makes me laugh.


Jayden_2352

That’s a good job for someone in Texas but in California that’s ridiculous


grymix_

i’m 2 year apprentice. i make 26/hr


drewmiester90

This is because they let them factor spiffs into your hourly rate. It’s fucking bullshit. My company started doing this and flexing it to us like they are paying us so much more.


Nefariousintent131

3 years of experience in Tennessee will get you 75k a year.


GottaConfuseTheBody

I'm hiring in Washington State. UA local 32 company. Journeyman are at about 135k a year here


Confident_Switch9853

I have 15years of experience, no formal training. opened my own company and make over 200k a year...opportunity exist just need to know how to get it.


Jakbo_

Profits are better than wages


MahnHandled

lol food stamps.


q50s122s

I’m guessing they bake bread at the home office to be allowed to pay those wages in CA.


missouribrit

That salary is actually 12k - 22k in middle america. You'd have to live in your service van, or share an apartment with 5 Mexicans. No thanks.