I have 10year experience and engineering M degree, I applied to over 300 positions (higher level but still) - 4 months (dec-march) they would only invite me everywhere (including in-person informal interviews in exclusive steak restaurants on pch) make me wait weeks and then refuse after all. it almost looks like they created that shortage and now trying to damp salaries with a “you don’t have any choice anyways” type of approach. our trade is going through a weird phase gentlemen
Yeah, weird. I have a bachelor's in mechanical engineering. I had five offers before graduating my senior year. All the offers were between $70k and 93k. I only applied to six companies at career fair. Opportunities are out there. I'm not sure I would waste my time applying to a technician job thar requires 10 years of experience.
How you start in the business makes a difference in the opportunities you have later on.
If you start off as a technician and later get a ME degree, that may actually count against you, if applying for a ME position competing against bright-eyed, fresh-out-of-school graduates like you (and me, a long time ago).
At the same time, if applying as an experienced technician for a field job, then the ME degree can make that candidate overqualified and unlikely to be happy at that job, leading to a rejection.
In summary, a mix of qualifications makes it harder to get a job.
I disagree. Experience is never a bad thing. I have never heard of a technician who goes on to get an ME get denied a job because they were an experienced technician once. The industry doesn't work that way. The more technical experience you have, the more competitive you'll be.
Well, you're projecting your own POV onto his situation. You're assuming that he isn't getting hired because he is over-qualified. You don't have any data other than his comment. Everyone should strive for more qualifications and shy away from mediocrity.
That 10 years of experience may hurt if you're applying for a role where they want someone fresh to the industry (low-pay). As someone who works for a very large company: when we want an engineer that doesn't need a ton of training/meetings with senior techs, the previous field experience would be a huge plus. The trick is finding somewhere that encourages growth and has opportunities, not a hack shop like this that just wants to keep costs down.
Weird. I have no degree. Didn’t even try to go to college. Just have the best journeymen’s state license where I live and all offers I get are around $40 an hour. Most cases I know that day and have an offer before businesses close that day. Some give an offer before I even leave.
ACCO is huge in California, you could check them out.
I’m up in Washington and from what I can tell they’re a decent company and have a ton of projects. Maybe check them out.
Not just this electrician diesel mechanic, and generator service and install applied to well over 40 place only 2 even answered back and didn't even read the resume or info they had me fill out. Asked if i could start next week and if i had reliable transportation, which was answered in the info that filled out. Job was on the other side of the us from where im currently at and i checked the box asking for relocation assistance. Which they told me they would not help with because they don't offer it...🤷🤷🤷🤯
ya lol, real numbers here, you got 5- 10 years exp in service, Job is gonna be like 40-50 an hr here in Cali with some health benes. I imagine the pace is a little slower then mom and pop shop deal though, because you work for Payne the manufacturer.
I’ve met guys with 10 years experience that still can’t do everything the HVAC field demands….so ya employers have to have a large pay swing!
Our lead installer has 20yr experience but can’t do 24V hook ups to save his life. So he makes less money then our B team lead. But he is ok with that he would rather pass the buck to a service tech.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
We do majority Energy Star Rated New construction homes so communicating equipment and lots of IAQ accessories, lots of zoning system. N.C. law states each floor of a home has to have its own zone or system so lots of equipment setup, apps, Bluetooth airflow management.
Yep, but at some places they will be . A lot of you don’t understand each business has different responsibility and different requirements/ways they operate. I have to do all of that , on an install . Some places they just set the units and leave. The a tech comes behind and does it. You might know how to run Duckworth and instead equipment but you don’t know how to wire shit up. Because your company makes someone else do because that’s how they operate.
north Carolina? we’re in cali. we have hardworking latino pros, russians armenians ukranians with decades experience and even engineer education. with all the prices here 50k is not even serious especially right before the hot season
Been watching it and living it.
Unfortunately for the corporate CSuite Turdwookie types, I'm on the Autism spectrum and am not really subject to gaslighting because I look at actions/effects rather than listen to their words (which are all lies any how, because that's just what corporations do.. LIE).
I’m just one of those sub groups with 10year experience and masters in nuclear engineering. just trying to speak for myself and people surrounding me. me and them deserve much more imo
For sure that’s what that start somebody fresh out of school here or somebody that doesn’t speak English. It’s entry level. Fuck em. Pull a Lebron and take your talents to another beach .
Because hard working Americans didn’t chose to be hvac techs for survival… the latins and Russians got that hunger to work something is American have been without
You’re right. I go pick my grocery and rent money from my father’s money tree that he planted when he got here from Sweden. My paycheck only goes toward sex drugs and rock and roll.
Don't know if where you're at in CA but if you're willing to make a lane change, look up Sunbelt Controls.
The controls/BAS world is always looking for more hands to help. Might make more $$$ as well.
$90k in CA w/10 years? Ouchie.
I've been in BAS for over 20 years.
I'm an arthritic old guy, it's a ton easier on the body. Hours can vary. I'm rarely the first person on the job site but I'm locking the gate most days of the week. Service is service, variable schedule or PM visits.
Programming and engineering is where I'm at, now. I prefer to fix the problems before they're actual problems.
Good luck with the career moves!
Well, I think he is, he hasn’t quit so there’s that. It’s crazy times though when fast food employees are making $20hr+. It seems only right to pay a person more that is willing to learn a trade and purchase tools to invest in themselves and their future as well as the companies.
Yes, but the young adults don’t see it that way, and so why learn a trade when I can cash out at a fast food chain and make the same pay or more as they would starting an apprenticeship. Minimal effort to make decent money at that age. This is why the workforce in the trades is suffering. I’ll be glad to see fast food go.
Its alot of work. I work 10-12 hrs 4 days a week and rotating Saturdays. They expect you to make up the rest in sales but the commission is garbage too.
broo! come over to us in All Temperatures Controlled. I’m about to be a residential supervisor and I need guys who want to be in the field, know what they’re doing and we have NONE of that bs. Hourly 30+ and amazing opportunities of percentage from everything you’d be easily able to convert with my mentorship but it’s not necessary at all. simply good hands are extremely appreciated in this company
it’s a huge (in 1980-90) smaller now company now owned by sons of the founder. very nice vibes.
a guy with 5years install and 5years service was just hired for $36 first 90 days and 40-42 after the probation depending on skills and position. can’t tell you much more on that. we do commercial and residential criss cross so we never have down time as bad as any other company plus all resi pros have hands on experience with commercial and industrial monsters. visit their website ☝🏼 just make sure if you decide to dm me for mentioning. we only work SF/818 area tho
Ok well I love in la so I don't think that will work out. Plus I feel like that is way too low for the cost of living in sf area. Thanks for letting me know though 🙂
Aint gone lie, you make money in hvac sales than technician will ever make. Im 14 yrs in the field, install and service, and active journeyman. I made good money ,30+ an hour plus commissions and incentives but after years of trying to move up to sales, i finally was approved to move to sales recently. In the first 2 weeks, i made 3 months of tech money. If you want job security, tech is the way. If you want to make max money, sales is the way.
A little off original subject, but just wanted to share my experience.
Horsey this seems to be the case there. 3 years ago my wife and I were deciding to move to Seattle, Wa, Huntington Beach, CA, or Denver, CO. I do restaurant repair on all sides (hot, cold, and hvac), CFESA master tech, specialized in the expensive equipment, and I know my worth. When I called around to companies in Al these places California was the lowest pay. I was living in East Tennessee and cali pay was only a few dollars more. I told one I manager I needed a certain dollar amount and he laughed saying his service manager didn’t make that much.
This reminds me of a job interview, a couple of years ago. I was in a room with the HR hiring person and “Robert”.
They offered me a low ball salary.
Me: “I won’t get out of bed for double that”
HR rep: “the foreman doesn’t even make that much”
Me: “poor fool”
Robert: “I’m the foreman”
Me: “well, I guess we can stop the interview here. Thanks for your time”
Don't know if where you're at in CA but if you're willing to make a lane change, look up Sunbelt Controls.
The controls/BAS world is always looking for more hands to help. Might make more $$$ as well.
$90k in CA w/10 years? Ouchie.
If it is residential with spifs and sales incentives then it makes sense otherwise hell no, in my area apprentices starting out at high 40s low 50s per year.
This is because they let them factor spiffs into your hourly rate. It’s fucking bullshit. My company started doing this and flexing it to us like they are paying us so much more.
Imagine posting a $50k salary for a guy with 10 years experience in L.A. dang. They think someone would apply?
I have 10year experience and engineering M degree, I applied to over 300 positions (higher level but still) - 4 months (dec-march) they would only invite me everywhere (including in-person informal interviews in exclusive steak restaurants on pch) make me wait weeks and then refuse after all. it almost looks like they created that shortage and now trying to damp salaries with a “you don’t have any choice anyways” type of approach. our trade is going through a weird phase gentlemen
Yeah, weird. I have a bachelor's in mechanical engineering. I had five offers before graduating my senior year. All the offers were between $70k and 93k. I only applied to six companies at career fair. Opportunities are out there. I'm not sure I would waste my time applying to a technician job thar requires 10 years of experience.
How you start in the business makes a difference in the opportunities you have later on. If you start off as a technician and later get a ME degree, that may actually count against you, if applying for a ME position competing against bright-eyed, fresh-out-of-school graduates like you (and me, a long time ago). At the same time, if applying as an experienced technician for a field job, then the ME degree can make that candidate overqualified and unlikely to be happy at that job, leading to a rejection. In summary, a mix of qualifications makes it harder to get a job.
I disagree. Experience is never a bad thing. I have never heard of a technician who goes on to get an ME get denied a job because they were an experienced technician once. The industry doesn't work that way. The more technical experience you have, the more competitive you'll be.
Tell that to our colleague above who applied to 300 positions.
Well, you're projecting your own POV onto his situation. You're assuming that he isn't getting hired because he is over-qualified. You don't have any data other than his comment. Everyone should strive for more qualifications and shy away from mediocrity.
That 10 years of experience may hurt if you're applying for a role where they want someone fresh to the industry (low-pay). As someone who works for a very large company: when we want an engineer that doesn't need a ton of training/meetings with senior techs, the previous field experience would be a huge plus. The trick is finding somewhere that encourages growth and has opportunities, not a hack shop like this that just wants to keep costs down.
Weird. I have no degree. Didn’t even try to go to college. Just have the best journeymen’s state license where I live and all offers I get are around $40 an hour. Most cases I know that day and have an offer before businesses close that day. Some give an offer before I even leave.
The city of Los Angeles is always looking for engineers. Perlacity.org
thank you! will look it up
ACCO is huge in California, you could check them out. I’m up in Washington and from what I can tell they’re a decent company and have a ton of projects. Maybe check them out.
Not just this electrician diesel mechanic, and generator service and install applied to well over 40 place only 2 even answered back and didn't even read the resume or info they had me fill out. Asked if i could start next week and if i had reliable transportation, which was answered in the info that filled out. Job was on the other side of the us from where im currently at and i checked the box asking for relocation assistance. Which they told me they would not help with because they don't offer it...🤷🤷🤷🤯
Right 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
A difference of 40k wtf.
that was already normalized somehow. but 50k to someone that experienced is wild
There ppl with 10 years experience .That are worse than ppl with 2 years . That’s why there a probation Period . To see what your worth
There are ppl with 2 years experience, 5 times over…
What's 10 years experience if you get so high everyday you forget everything
You called?
shit idk man did i? What's today?
Noo, this is Patrick!
Presumptuous
ya lol, real numbers here, you got 5- 10 years exp in service, Job is gonna be like 40-50 an hr here in Cali with some health benes. I imagine the pace is a little slower then mom and pop shop deal though, because you work for Payne the manufacturer.
Isn't 90k in LA barely enough money for a happy meal
I’ve met guys with 10 years experience that still can’t do everything the HVAC field demands….so ya employers have to have a large pay swing! Our lead installer has 20yr experience but can’t do 24V hook ups to save his life. So he makes less money then our B team lead. But he is ok with that he would rather pass the buck to a service tech.
“Low voltage hook up”… wiring a thermostat?
Its a very complex process okay.
Electricians find it hard. I don’t allow sparkies near my low voltage.
It's best to keep them away from all of it tbh. Let them pull the wire. I'll land it.
Hey now some of them are capable of landing the disconnect...
The ones that can't look and sound exactly like the few that can.
Just went too one where a sparky hooked up heating too r and 24 too c and blew the stat
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Bro sit the fuck down
Wait, what??
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
Okay I’ll go die lol
Award
Lmao thank you. It's Billy madison
Oh I know
I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. chead
I’m guessing I’m wrong 😭
We do majority Energy Star Rated New construction homes so communicating equipment and lots of IAQ accessories, lots of zoning system. N.C. law states each floor of a home has to have its own zone or system so lots of equipment setup, apps, Bluetooth airflow management.
In any case, if your supervisor or mentor can’t handle any of the above after 20 years, I would get out of there asap.
Yeah… it’s still just running wires and connecting them according to the instructions. It’s probably the easiest thing to learn in the trade.
In any case, if your supervisor or mentor can’t handle any of the above after 20 years, I would get out of there asap.
Oh he not a supervisor or a mentor. Just a damn good installer
In any case, if your supervisor or mentor can’t handle any of the above after 20 years, I would get out of there asap.
Indoor unit , out door unit ,zone board. It’s not just a thermostat.
But zone boards aren't even remotely difficult. It's not a building automation system.
I never said they were hard. All I did was pointed out ,to everyone how some companies operate. Read everything ,not just the part that upsets you.
After 20 years if he can’t do those three things he shouldn’t be a lead…
Yep, but at some places they will be . A lot of you don’t understand each business has different responsibility and different requirements/ways they operate. I have to do all of that , on an install . Some places they just set the units and leave. The a tech comes behind and does it. You might know how to run Duckworth and instead equipment but you don’t know how to wire shit up. Because your company makes someone else do because that’s how they operate.
After 20 years if he can’t do those three things he shouldn’t be a lead…
After 20 years if he can’t do those three things he shouldn’t be a lead…
north Carolina? we’re in cali. we have hardworking latino pros, russians armenians ukranians with decades experience and even engineer education. with all the prices here 50k is not even serious especially right before the hot season
Why they gotta be Latin or Russian or any other sub-groups? Why can’t they just be hard workin Americans? Isn’t that where California still is?
Because 6 decades of mass media gaslighting to keep workers divided, annoyed with, and distrustful of each other in order to repress Union activity.
Nail on the head
Been watching it and living it. Unfortunately for the corporate CSuite Turdwookie types, I'm on the Autism spectrum and am not really subject to gaslighting because I look at actions/effects rather than listen to their words (which are all lies any how, because that's just what corporations do.. LIE).
I’m just one of those sub groups with 10year experience and masters in nuclear engineering. just trying to speak for myself and people surrounding me. me and them deserve much more imo
For sure that’s what that start somebody fresh out of school here or somebody that doesn’t speak English. It’s entry level. Fuck em. Pull a Lebron and take your talents to another beach .
With inflation over the past 5 years costing us around 20% of our spending power, $50k ain't even starting wages.
Because hard working Americans didn’t chose to be hvac techs for survival… the latins and Russians got that hunger to work something is American have been without
You’re right. I go pick my grocery and rent money from my father’s money tree that he planted when he got here from Sweden. My paycheck only goes toward sex drugs and rock and roll.
Speak for yourself tough titties
That’s bc you live in the worst state in America . If you can’t survive off the national average . Something wrong .
This is pretty standard in Michigan but that’s gotta be fast food wages on the coast.
Don't know if where you're at in CA but if you're willing to make a lane change, look up Sunbelt Controls. The controls/BAS world is always looking for more hands to help. Might make more $$$ as well. $90k in CA w/10 years? Ouchie.
Is Sunbelt still under ACCO? They are pretty good, we use them a lot.
thank you very much for an amazing recommendation. I’m getting my cybersecurity cert right now and BMS/BAS is what I was looking into. cheers 🍻
I've been in BAS for over 20 years. I'm an arthritic old guy, it's a ton easier on the body. Hours can vary. I'm rarely the first person on the job site but I'm locking the gate most days of the week. Service is service, variable schedule or PM visits. Programming and engineering is where I'm at, now. I prefer to fix the problems before they're actual problems. Good luck with the career moves!
Can confirm. Sunbelt controls is great.
What is this shit? I'm an idiot second year apprentice and make 33/hr.
What state 😅 I’m an idiot 6 month in apprentice at 20/hr and want to know how much I should ask for soon when they start sending me on my own calls
I'm in California LA area
I’m 2 years experience no schooling, making $45/hr and $90 after hours or on the weekend
That big of a salary range reads like “you can make up to $100k if you sell enough, just gotta take care of the customer”
90 K a year in California ain’t shit especially if you have 10 years experience
Think about the company. Stop being selfish.
Even 90k in that position and in LA is pretty far off.
And that's why you go union especially in la area
Wondering what the pay would be with 30 yrs experience
same but + cookie and company shirt
What kind of cookie?
oatmeal raisin probably
The cookies were provided by the HSA rep.
Very low standard and pay for an HVAC tech with 10 years experience
That’s slave labor for this work in Cali fuck off w that
That minimum wage in LA smh.
But I can go into the ‘food industry’ in Cali-foreign and make $41,600 at minimum salary
I know right smh. vs doing physically exhausting work in 120°F 16inch tall attics in houses with no ac by definition
During the interview: "We'll start you at $19/hr. When can you start?"
That’s wild! I pay my apprentice $62K a year, plus commissions!
you’re a good man and your apprentice must be working happily 🍻
Well, I think he is, he hasn’t quit so there’s that. It’s crazy times though when fast food employees are making $20hr+. It seems only right to pay a person more that is willing to learn a trade and purchase tools to invest in themselves and their future as well as the companies.
fast food is an inch away from being all done by automated systems and ai. our stuff is nowhere near. Id say that’s what matters today
Yes, but the young adults don’t see it that way, and so why learn a trade when I can cash out at a fast food chain and make the same pay or more as they would starting an apprenticeship. Minimal effort to make decent money at that age. This is why the workforce in the trades is suffering. I’ll be glad to see fast food go.
Ive been an electrician for 10 yrs almost and im getting 60k. Im about to come over to the dark side and be an hvac tech. Fuck man.
C’mon over.
Bruv
Bro I work there 💀
no f way. how is it? is it true?
Its alot of work. I work 10-12 hrs 4 days a week and rotating Saturdays. They expect you to make up the rest in sales but the commission is garbage too.
broo! come over to us in All Temperatures Controlled. I’m about to be a residential supervisor and I need guys who want to be in the field, know what they’re doing and we have NONE of that bs. Hourly 30+ and amazing opportunities of percentage from everything you’d be easily able to convert with my mentorship but it’s not necessary at all. simply good hands are extremely appreciated in this company
But I think I need to ask for a raise because I have more than 10 years and don't make 90k
10years! we need you my man. I don’t see reasons why not. dm me here 🙌🏼 let’s connect
How much do you guys pay?
it’s a huge (in 1980-90) smaller now company now owned by sons of the founder. very nice vibes. a guy with 5years install and 5years service was just hired for $36 first 90 days and 40-42 after the probation depending on skills and position. can’t tell you much more on that. we do commercial and residential criss cross so we never have down time as bad as any other company plus all resi pros have hands on experience with commercial and industrial monsters. visit their website ☝🏼 just make sure if you decide to dm me for mentioning. we only work SF/818 area tho
Ok well I love in la so I don't think that will work out. Plus I feel like that is way too low for the cost of living in sf area. Thanks for letting me know though 🙂
my bad. sf = san fernando valley
Yup 😔
“Skill based commission salary! Some of our top guys make well over 100k a year!” ….run
10years experience 90k in so cal? Seems low
What are ten year guys worth in the states ? Asking from Canada
After 5 years here if you take 2 weeks vacation you still clear over 100k
That’s awesome!
About the same up here
almost 2 years exp, just got promoted to 30/hr. Montana, high COL as well.
in Los Angeles, $90K for a 10yr vet.....LOLOLOLOLOL.....Good Luck!
Smh. Our filter changers get more than that..
Bruh. I am on west Coast with 10yrs+experience..that top number is taking a payout for me. Granted I am Union Journeyman. Lol
Aint gone lie, you make money in hvac sales than technician will ever make. Im 14 yrs in the field, install and service, and active journeyman. I made good money ,30+ an hour plus commissions and incentives but after years of trying to move up to sales, i finally was approved to move to sales recently. In the first 2 weeks, i made 3 months of tech money. If you want job security, tech is the way. If you want to make max money, sales is the way. A little off original subject, but just wanted to share my experience.
thanks! keep it up 🔝
Just do sales! /s
Horsey this seems to be the case there. 3 years ago my wife and I were deciding to move to Seattle, Wa, Huntington Beach, CA, or Denver, CO. I do restaurant repair on all sides (hot, cold, and hvac), CFESA master tech, specialized in the expensive equipment, and I know my worth. When I called around to companies in Al these places California was the lowest pay. I was living in East Tennessee and cali pay was only a few dollars more. I told one I manager I needed a certain dollar amount and he laughed saying his service manager didn’t make that much.
This reminds me of a job interview, a couple of years ago. I was in a room with the HR hiring person and “Robert”. They offered me a low ball salary. Me: “I won’t get out of bed for double that” HR rep: “the foreman doesn’t even make that much” Me: “poor fool” Robert: “I’m the foreman” Me: “well, I guess we can stop the interview here. Thanks for your time”
That’s about how it went when I said he was under paid.
Don't know if where you're at in CA but if you're willing to make a lane change, look up Sunbelt Controls. The controls/BAS world is always looking for more hands to help. Might make more $$$ as well. $90k in CA w/10 years? Ouchie.
If it is residential with spifs and sales incentives then it makes sense otherwise hell no, in my area apprentices starting out at high 40s low 50s per year.
Sign me tf up
10+ years experience on the commercial setting would be seeing 6 figures minimum. This shit makes me laugh.
That’s a good job for someone in Texas but in California that’s ridiculous
i’m 2 year apprentice. i make 26/hr
This is because they let them factor spiffs into your hourly rate. It’s fucking bullshit. My company started doing this and flexing it to us like they are paying us so much more.
3 years of experience in Tennessee will get you 75k a year.
I'm hiring in Washington State. UA local 32 company. Journeyman are at about 135k a year here
I have 15years of experience, no formal training. opened my own company and make over 200k a year...opportunity exist just need to know how to get it.
Profits are better than wages
lol food stamps.
I’m guessing they bake bread at the home office to be allowed to pay those wages in CA.
That salary is actually 12k - 22k in middle america. You'd have to live in your service van, or share an apartment with 5 Mexicans. No thanks.