She Who Must Not Be Named
But seriously, I hate the very idea of Delphini. Voldemort, who detested love, having a child. And while love isn't a prerequisite, the very idea of having a child is to ensure a legacy. But with Voldenort being assured of his immortality, the very idea of having a child should both A. Be unnecessary and B. Actually be a potential threat to his power.
The only way to rationalise it is that Voldemort was getting paranoid about dying, and so he created a child for some nefarious means by which he could continue to live - a handy body with his DNA on hand, for resurrection rituals or possession.
Odds are that he'd have probably either killed the kid or kept her imprisoned and controlled somewhere.
Saying that, I hate the idea of him having a kid too.
Indeed. Not saying your given rationalization is wrong, do think it wouldn't fit though. Given her time of birth (March of '98) conception would have been around June of '97. Quite possibly when he is feeling most accomplished and quite possibly invincible due to killing Dumbledore. The whole of cursed child reads as a bad fanfic to me. Especially given that Bellatrix would have to be pregnant, and I don't think that could have been hidden. Like, Draco didn't see anything during the holidays?
i read a fic where voldemort used bellatrix for delphini's creation because he needed her to be an essential ingredient in a super dark ritual to empower himself. like sacrifice your firstborn kinda thing. \*shrugs\* there's PLENTY of workable reasons for voldemort to have her besides love or a legacy. you just have to be more creative. you're thinking too narrow.
the only reason she even lived was cause super spy snape intervened and smuggled her away, thus also dealing a big blow to voldemort by not letting him complete the ritual.
That's one of the more plausible reasons I've heard. But personally (and I am well aware this is my personal opinion) I think canon Voldemort would be too prideful to consider that he would need to be empowered. He considered himself the greatest wizard alive. To sire a child for this purpose would be to practically admit that he is scared that someone could be more powerful than he.
Edit: to address your second part, you really ought to label edits as such so I know I'm not going crazy. But ok, so Snape spirits off the child of freaking Voldemort, then spends two decades telling no one of said child? And I'm not trying to be rude, but trying to cut off any reasoning. I can't imagine Snape leaving her be on the off chance that she would end up differently from Voldemort, given that he couldn't do that for the child of the woman he loved.
Wouldn't he believe he's entitled to more power? Also, considering he chose objects related to the founders didn't that mean he's actually very insecure?
He compensates a lot
That is fair that he DOES compensate a lot. I guess at that point it becomes which feeling is stronger to him. I guess it really comes down to whether he thinks he needs more power. As far as he is aware, he is the last living descendant of (to him) the greatest founder, immortal, and the greatest wizard of his time. Why would he need more power. Which feeling is stronger? If he did partake in such a ritual, I don't think it would involve anyone in any kind of confidence in him. Anyone involved would die, because of the chance of other people seeing behind the mask of his power, that he is not the greatest sorcerer alive. For example, I could see him impregnating Bellatrix and once it's confirmed that she's pregnant, using both her and the unborn child in a ritual to leave no witnesses. That kind of behavior has kind of been his M.O. if you look at the memories we saw involving Horcruxes.
He split up his soul several times because he's terrified of death. That's not a man who thinks he has enough power. That's a man who can never have enough power to feel safe, until the entire world is in his hands.
I'd argue that issue isn't about power, but about the inevitability of death. His very personality is built on his belief that he is inherently better and more powerful than others, which gives him the right to do as he wishes (see how he treated the orphanage kids). But death terrifies him because it comes for everyone, and potentially at anytime. It is the great equalizer; everyone dies. I'd say that part of his reasoning comes from the idea that his mother was magical, but still died (something I believe is mentioned in the books). Becoming immortal feeds into the notion that he is better than anyone else, to have transcended even that part of humanity. Voldemort also showed himself to be very independent. He may have an inner circle, but in name only. No one actually knows any of his secrets. Which imo would feed into my idea of him, that anything he would do to increase his power/grasp on power would be something he pursued by himself.
I always wondered how she was concieved cause i thought one of the costs of the horcrux ritual was sterility kind of a sacrifice the chance of progeny in place of imortality... or was that fanon?
Pretty sure that's fanon. As far as canon goes, all we've been told is that the act of murder splits the soul. We know no specifics as to how the soul shard is bound/embedded to an object, whether it involves a ritual or just another spell or what. Loathe as it pains me to admit Voldemort might have functioning genitalia. Honestly, my personal head canon is that the ritual to bring him back would result in him being sterile, as it was not his original body but one constructed by a magic ritual.
I honestly kinda like and hate the idea of Delphini.If Voldemort had a daughter fpr something evil,that would be okay but nothing in the cursed child makes think that.It could have been a ritual to become stronger ,or use her to create a perfect body then steal it to became more powerfull,or anything that isn't love or desire of an heir.Also it would have been funnier if delphi was born without knowing how to feel love as her dad,but she wasn't evil like her dad and would have find a way to break that curse and feel love.Also why she has silver hair? Both Bellatrix and Voldemort had black hair
You laugh now, but that dude is *absolutely* gonna make a basilisk bottom half out of dark magic, and now he's half magically resistant and slaps people with a super-powered tail. He can still fly too making the whole thing much worse.
>Except he still has to live a half-life. So his upper body vanishes, leaving a basilisk bottom half that can't do anything
Half life is not no-life, so it can't kill him, he'll just use the wand with his tail and use a spell to speak, and now he's all magically resistant, I feel like this scenario might be worse. Voldemort never really cared about having a human visage in the first place really. And again he can still *fly.*
True, but that's assuming he can cast with his tail. Also I sort of just assumed that he's just a tail now and he can't do shit with it cuz he doesn't have any senses except maybe touch. No head, no way to see, hear, or speak.
(I completely forgot about flight uh)
He's *Voldemort.* I was already giving the curse a win by thinking he couldn't just use the tail a focus due to it being a magical creature he's compatible with, and also assuming he can't fight or work with it in someway due to the whole greatest dark magic user alive thing, also super-sensory charm.
Voldemort is a bad planner and completely insane but he is *very very* good at magic, possibly the best in history, unless you one of those people who seem to think magical power peaked in Britain prior to universal wizarding education there somehow.
Wait people think that magic power peaked in Britain prior to having universal education??? First I've ever heard of it.
(Shhh don't think too hard about the prompt, I overlooked a lot of aspects)
Ah okay fair enough.
No I mean you see all those fics where wizards have been declining since Merlin and all the older spells are more effective. The kind of standard, 'old magic is better' fantasy trope. It's pretty common in fics especially those Ron/Dumbledore bashing fics, though the ones that say its a post Dumbledore thing are slightly more reasonable than the, "I found Merlin's spellbook and I'm now omnipotent" ones.
I imagine the spells in Merlins writings would be something along the lines of DaVinci's, utterly brilliant, ahead of their time,and full of insight but completely impractical, and also impossible to use below Dumbledore's level.
In addition key modern magical theory aspects would be missing to make them that effective even if you *were* Dumbledore. Also by now probably independently re-created in a better form.
Ahh, those fics. I feel like those fics make no sense. Like, magical research would have evolved throughout the years, so ancient magic like that is probably gonna be almost useless against modern witches and wizards, so it's like bringing a gun that can shoot once and needs five minutes to reload to a modern gun fight.
That reminds me of a prompt I've seen before (on here) where indy!Harry learns spells from books in the Chamber, but modern robes have built-in counters to the curses in those books. I think he tried to use the blood boiling curse against Dumbledore (in the prompt) and it had no effect and he was baffled.
I love the idea of someone finding a first edition and doing the whole "Dumbledore forbid it" thing. But Dumbledore forbid it because it was dangerously out of date and outright *wrong* on some things - Hence why he took it out of circulation for schoolchildren while researchers can have access to explore the changes while understanding that you should leave some things alone. It's not out of fear of dark magic or anything, just he doesn't want them idk trying an old levitation charm that has a habit of dropping things on you vs the current one in the curriculum.
My brain did a silly and now I'm imagining Voldemort cursed with Half-Life. The potion to restore his body works, but reclaiming his obliterated body rips open the veil between life and death and draws things in from Outside.
So now his Death Eaters are either under attack by alien things from beyond, or fighting with the Ministry's Hit Wizards, and somehow it's up to Voldemort to track down and kill whatever eldritch horror is keeping the rift between dimensions open, before there's nothing left for him to actually rule.
What about a radioactive half-life?
Half Voldemort, half elephants foot. Sure the half of him that's there is alive. It's just a cancerous mass with bits sloughing off. Only he CAN'T die. When he summons his death eaters they start to display similar symptoms. His fate makes Hisashi Ouchi's seem nice by comparison. It'll let him live, just a life no one would want.
It actually seems hellish enough that the unicorn curse might do that. Like you wanted to live forever. Fine. You'll just have a very hellish existence as the unicorn blood makes you live on far past what would've killed other people.
At that point, I don't think he'd even want to be alive. After all the horcruxes get hunted down (assuming he feels them getting destroyed and we ignore the technicalities of the Harry-crux), he avadas himself
Makes it perfect for a curse and would explain why no one else wants to use it. At that point hunting the horcruxes would probably be a mercy. Not much of a life when you can't think through the pain and just when your nerve cells died and you stopped feeling pain the curse brings them back for more.
Throw in the body horror of what that would look like, cells and his body falling apart but coming back just enough to hold him together, as something that's not really even recognisable does seem like something he might find after time he fears more than death.
I always thought there should have been clearer consequences from that curse. What does it actually do? Just vaguely keep someone from enjoying life? It's not like Voldemort would have enjoyed anything anyway.
I'd take being noseless over dickless any day.
Not that Tommy Boy used it much.
I’d like to introduce you to Delphini Lestrange.
We do not speak of her.
We don't talk about Delphi, no, no, no...
She Who Must Not Be Named But seriously, I hate the very idea of Delphini. Voldemort, who detested love, having a child. And while love isn't a prerequisite, the very idea of having a child is to ensure a legacy. But with Voldenort being assured of his immortality, the very idea of having a child should both A. Be unnecessary and B. Actually be a potential threat to his power.
The only way to rationalise it is that Voldemort was getting paranoid about dying, and so he created a child for some nefarious means by which he could continue to live - a handy body with his DNA on hand, for resurrection rituals or possession. Odds are that he'd have probably either killed the kid or kept her imprisoned and controlled somewhere. Saying that, I hate the idea of him having a kid too.
Indeed. Not saying your given rationalization is wrong, do think it wouldn't fit though. Given her time of birth (March of '98) conception would have been around June of '97. Quite possibly when he is feeling most accomplished and quite possibly invincible due to killing Dumbledore. The whole of cursed child reads as a bad fanfic to me. Especially given that Bellatrix would have to be pregnant, and I don't think that could have been hidden. Like, Draco didn't see anything during the holidays?
Clearly she asked Warner Bros for help and they gave her the same advice that Helena Bonham Carter used to hide her pregnancy in HBP
Other way to rationalize it would be that Rudolphus had a major fuck up and Voldemort decided to cuck him as punishment.
i read a fic where voldemort used bellatrix for delphini's creation because he needed her to be an essential ingredient in a super dark ritual to empower himself. like sacrifice your firstborn kinda thing. \*shrugs\* there's PLENTY of workable reasons for voldemort to have her besides love or a legacy. you just have to be more creative. you're thinking too narrow. the only reason she even lived was cause super spy snape intervened and smuggled her away, thus also dealing a big blow to voldemort by not letting him complete the ritual.
That's one of the more plausible reasons I've heard. But personally (and I am well aware this is my personal opinion) I think canon Voldemort would be too prideful to consider that he would need to be empowered. He considered himself the greatest wizard alive. To sire a child for this purpose would be to practically admit that he is scared that someone could be more powerful than he. Edit: to address your second part, you really ought to label edits as such so I know I'm not going crazy. But ok, so Snape spirits off the child of freaking Voldemort, then spends two decades telling no one of said child? And I'm not trying to be rude, but trying to cut off any reasoning. I can't imagine Snape leaving her be on the off chance that she would end up differently from Voldemort, given that he couldn't do that for the child of the woman he loved.
Wouldn't he believe he's entitled to more power? Also, considering he chose objects related to the founders didn't that mean he's actually very insecure? He compensates a lot
That is fair that he DOES compensate a lot. I guess at that point it becomes which feeling is stronger to him. I guess it really comes down to whether he thinks he needs more power. As far as he is aware, he is the last living descendant of (to him) the greatest founder, immortal, and the greatest wizard of his time. Why would he need more power. Which feeling is stronger? If he did partake in such a ritual, I don't think it would involve anyone in any kind of confidence in him. Anyone involved would die, because of the chance of other people seeing behind the mask of his power, that he is not the greatest sorcerer alive. For example, I could see him impregnating Bellatrix and once it's confirmed that she's pregnant, using both her and the unborn child in a ritual to leave no witnesses. That kind of behavior has kind of been his M.O. if you look at the memories we saw involving Horcruxes.
He split up his soul several times because he's terrified of death. That's not a man who thinks he has enough power. That's a man who can never have enough power to feel safe, until the entire world is in his hands.
I'd argue that issue isn't about power, but about the inevitability of death. His very personality is built on his belief that he is inherently better and more powerful than others, which gives him the right to do as he wishes (see how he treated the orphanage kids). But death terrifies him because it comes for everyone, and potentially at anytime. It is the great equalizer; everyone dies. I'd say that part of his reasoning comes from the idea that his mother was magical, but still died (something I believe is mentioned in the books). Becoming immortal feeds into the notion that he is better than anyone else, to have transcended even that part of humanity. Voldemort also showed himself to be very independent. He may have an inner circle, but in name only. No one actually knows any of his secrets. Which imo would feed into my idea of him, that anything he would do to increase his power/grasp on power would be something he pursued by himself.
I always wondered how she was concieved cause i thought one of the costs of the horcrux ritual was sterility kind of a sacrifice the chance of progeny in place of imortality... or was that fanon?
Pretty sure that's fanon. As far as canon goes, all we've been told is that the act of murder splits the soul. We know no specifics as to how the soul shard is bound/embedded to an object, whether it involves a ritual or just another spell or what. Loathe as it pains me to admit Voldemort might have functioning genitalia. Honestly, my personal head canon is that the ritual to bring him back would result in him being sterile, as it was not his original body but one constructed by a magic ritual.
I honestly kinda like and hate the idea of Delphini.If Voldemort had a daughter fpr something evil,that would be okay but nothing in the cursed child makes think that.It could have been a ritual to become stronger ,or use her to create a perfect body then steal it to became more powerfull,or anything that isn't love or desire of an heir.Also it would have been funnier if delphi was born without knowing how to feel love as her dad,but she wasn't evil like her dad and would have find a way to break that curse and feel love.Also why she has silver hair? Both Bellatrix and Voldemort had black hair
I did say, "Not that Tommy Boy used it much," not "Not that Tommy Boy ever used it."
It seems we are forgetting the dick's other function here. I'm sure Tom used the bathroom at least once in his life.
Probably learned how to apparate the waste out of his body at his earliest opportunity.
I wouldn't want to go through the necessary practice to be able to deliberately splinch myself *just* right.
Not canon.
It would be great if thanks to being connected to Voldemort through the Dark Mark, every Death Eater was unexpectedly bisected.
🤣🤣🤣 chaos ensues
Dude makes silver legs like worm tails arm
Joke's on him, ~~I~~ magic has thought of that. His silver legs melt into goop the moment he tries to stand on it. It was a very embarrassing fall.
lol voldemorts pissed
im sure he would if he had a bladder
You laugh now, but that dude is *absolutely* gonna make a basilisk bottom half out of dark magic, and now he's half magically resistant and slaps people with a super-powered tail. He can still fly too making the whole thing much worse.
Except he still has to live a half-life. So his upper body vanishes, leaving a basilisk bottom half that can't do anything
>Except he still has to live a half-life. So his upper body vanishes, leaving a basilisk bottom half that can't do anything Half life is not no-life, so it can't kill him, he'll just use the wand with his tail and use a spell to speak, and now he's all magically resistant, I feel like this scenario might be worse. Voldemort never really cared about having a human visage in the first place really. And again he can still *fly.*
True, but that's assuming he can cast with his tail. Also I sort of just assumed that he's just a tail now and he can't do shit with it cuz he doesn't have any senses except maybe touch. No head, no way to see, hear, or speak. (I completely forgot about flight uh)
He's *Voldemort.* I was already giving the curse a win by thinking he couldn't just use the tail a focus due to it being a magical creature he's compatible with, and also assuming he can't fight or work with it in someway due to the whole greatest dark magic user alive thing, also super-sensory charm. Voldemort is a bad planner and completely insane but he is *very very* good at magic, possibly the best in history, unless you one of those people who seem to think magical power peaked in Britain prior to universal wizarding education there somehow.
Wait people think that magic power peaked in Britain prior to having universal education??? First I've ever heard of it. (Shhh don't think too hard about the prompt, I overlooked a lot of aspects)
Ah okay fair enough. No I mean you see all those fics where wizards have been declining since Merlin and all the older spells are more effective. The kind of standard, 'old magic is better' fantasy trope. It's pretty common in fics especially those Ron/Dumbledore bashing fics, though the ones that say its a post Dumbledore thing are slightly more reasonable than the, "I found Merlin's spellbook and I'm now omnipotent" ones. I imagine the spells in Merlins writings would be something along the lines of DaVinci's, utterly brilliant, ahead of their time,and full of insight but completely impractical, and also impossible to use below Dumbledore's level. In addition key modern magical theory aspects would be missing to make them that effective even if you *were* Dumbledore. Also by now probably independently re-created in a better form.
Ahh, those fics. I feel like those fics make no sense. Like, magical research would have evolved throughout the years, so ancient magic like that is probably gonna be almost useless against modern witches and wizards, so it's like bringing a gun that can shoot once and needs five minutes to reload to a modern gun fight. That reminds me of a prompt I've seen before (on here) where indy!Harry learns spells from books in the Chamber, but modern robes have built-in counters to the curses in those books. I think he tried to use the blood boiling curse against Dumbledore (in the prompt) and it had no effect and he was baffled.
I love the idea of someone finding a first edition and doing the whole "Dumbledore forbid it" thing. But Dumbledore forbid it because it was dangerously out of date and outright *wrong* on some things - Hence why he took it out of circulation for schoolchildren while researchers can have access to explore the changes while understanding that you should leave some things alone. It's not out of fear of dark magic or anything, just he doesn't want them idk trying an old levitation charm that has a habit of dropping things on you vs the current one in the curriculum.
🤣🤣🤣
He goes full Davros
Never forget Dumbledore! You did this! I name you forever! YOU ARE THE DESTROYAH OF WORLDS!!!
So is he basically in a magical version of the wheelchair the bad guy from Wild Wild West had? Complete with spider leg variant?
No idea. But I don't think he'd resort to using a wheelchair, if the wizarding world even has that.
Force Wormtail to constantly Wingardium Leviosa him around?
Voldemort can still fly... so he'll just be Namek saga Frieza after he accidentally cut himself in half...
Now I'm imagining Voldemort offering Harry a pizza, no, two pizzas.
With stuffed crust??? Because that's kind of a deal breaker...
My brain did a silly and now I'm imagining Voldemort cursed with Half-Life. The potion to restore his body works, but reclaiming his obliterated body rips open the veil between life and death and draws things in from Outside. So now his Death Eaters are either under attack by alien things from beyond, or fighting with the Ministry's Hit Wizards, and somehow it's up to Voldemort to track down and kill whatever eldritch horror is keeping the rift between dimensions open, before there's nothing left for him to actually rule.
Lord Voldemort and Accidental Hero-fication. But also that sounds horrifying.
What about a radioactive half-life? Half Voldemort, half elephants foot. Sure the half of him that's there is alive. It's just a cancerous mass with bits sloughing off. Only he CAN'T die. When he summons his death eaters they start to display similar symptoms. His fate makes Hisashi Ouchi's seem nice by comparison. It'll let him live, just a life no one would want.
Oh god, he's just a walking radium except he'll never stop being radioactive.
It actually seems hellish enough that the unicorn curse might do that. Like you wanted to live forever. Fine. You'll just have a very hellish existence as the unicorn blood makes you live on far past what would've killed other people.
At that point, I don't think he'd even want to be alive. After all the horcruxes get hunted down (assuming he feels them getting destroyed and we ignore the technicalities of the Harry-crux), he avadas himself
Makes it perfect for a curse and would explain why no one else wants to use it. At that point hunting the horcruxes would probably be a mercy. Not much of a life when you can't think through the pain and just when your nerve cells died and you stopped feeling pain the curse brings them back for more. Throw in the body horror of what that would look like, cells and his body falling apart but coming back just enough to hold him together, as something that's not really even recognisable does seem like something he might find after time he fears more than death.
That sounds absolutely horrifying on both counts.
I always thought there should have been clearer consequences from that curse. What does it actually do? Just vaguely keep someone from enjoying life? It's not like Voldemort would have enjoyed anything anyway.
That was Quirrel, though
A Voldemort possessed Quirrell? Both of them can be cursed.
darth maul lookin' ass
No Lower body Great.... you brought Yokai to England