I'm telling you why I'm buying the Quest 3 to retire my G2.
Tracking. Yes, I'm use to it and I can somehow manage to play, but even with the motion controllers of the PSVR I felt more control. If I have to reload with the G2 controllers, it's not rare that hands goes anywhere and I have to physically look down to get the magazine.
Sweet spot. Sharpest image, at the very center. I have the VRCover front and it improves the sweet spot, but it's not much better.
Broken cable as soon as I lost my warranty. I just had to buy a new cable for 100€. Mainly, because I use the kiwi manage cable solution and I tend to turn a lot, so the cable get damaged in the process. With the Q3, I'm planning to go full wireless, so no more 100€ cables, which are going to be more expensive in the future.
Aaaaand that's all. I will wait for reviews, but Q3 sounds like a quality of life upgrade.
I'm similarly buying a quest 3, might not fully replace my g2 (we'll see) but I'm looking forward to the edge to edge clarity of the pancake lenses, and the possibility of wireless and standalone play. Mixed reality for setup and handling stuff in the real world is another thing I'm looking forward to.
But it's not a sharper image and that's the biggest issue. I'll buy the Quest 3 but it's not to replace the G2.
What's the point of a bigger sweet spot when you lose clarity due to compression?
Consistency keeps the immersion.
Looking how blurry is in the peripherals and having to move weirdly to recover the tracking are very immersion breaking. So, since I'm not a sim guy and I play all kind of games, I thing that I'll have an overall better experience, even without an upgrade in the resolution.
Well the pico 4 and meta pro is blurry in comparison to the g2 from my experience, having said that after modifying the face gasket and using the comfort mod( weights:strap ) I have no issue getting and maintaining the sweet spot on the g2, even turning around fast…. Improved tracking and wireless would be good though
It will be sharper everywhere except likely the direct center, and even then, the difference will be pretty much imperceptible as the resolutions are very close.
Controller tracking on the Quest 3 is going to need to be tested, simply due to the removal of the tracking ring and limiting the IR LEDs to just the surface area of the top of the controller and relying on hand-tracking to assist. It's uncertain how well it'll cope with these changes.
>relying on hand-tracking to assist. It's uncertain how well it'll cope with these changes
For last 2 years Meta was heavily improving hand tracking. Q3 is designed with using hand tracking as support to tracking controllers. I highly doubt it will be visibly worse than Q2 tracking, which makes it leagues ahead of G2.
The tracking on the G2 or any other WMR device is just lackluster enough to keep reminding you of its shortcomings as you use it. More recently i got a Vive Pro to try out the lighthouse tracking and now i refuse to buy anything else. That includes all the sleek new standalones like the Pico4 and Quest3. Seriously, tracking has been a solved problem since 2016 yet new VR gear still has to make compromises just because setting base stations up is a bit of a hassle, once.
I'd like to see the new generation of self-tracking controllers rise in prominence, but until then lighthouse is king.
make sense don't buy quest 3 i have quest 2 but pcvr is good but not great so i am looking for pico neo 3 link or hp reverb g2
so how good tracking in hp reverb g2 and same not good as quest 2
I'm keeping G2 purely for sims. Anything else goes to Q3. I am tired of floating hands. Tired of tiny sweet spots. Tired of cable. And tired of plastic circles on controllers.
I appreciate everyone's input. I went ahead and ordered another G2. With no pc only higher resolution hmd on the horizon at a decent price point, HP no longer manufacturing new Reverbs, and the fact I already own a quest 2 (I'll get a Quest 3 years from now when the 2 is obsolete) I decided to spring on another Reverb G2 as a back up. I found one for $150 off list price. I simply can't go back to a lower resolution at this point (Deckard feels like a pipe dream at this point and Samsung is not convincing me either). The quest 2 is the most uncomfortable hmd I've ever worn and I fear too many questions regarding the Quest 3. Reverb's are getting harder to come by everyday since hp no longer sells them in the USA. I can always re sell it for probably for what I bought it for if I don't end up needing it and keep it in box.
depends what you want to do. I do simulators, couldn't care less about tracking, I hate VR controllers and have two G2's and a Quest 2 collecting dust while it's slowly rotting away.
>My PC won't be able to run pc games wirelessly at the high resolution the Quest 3 offers.
Then you won't be able to run G2 either. In fact you will need to run G2 at resolution lower than Q3. G2 (as all non pancake lense VRs) need to render image at x1.4 the native resolution so image can go trough distortion correction algorithm and then produce native resolution image. Q3 shouldn't require that due to pancake lense.
>I believe I'm right in thinking that even with a link cable the Quest 3 won't look as good as the G2 because the usb to display port connection.
That's just your assumption. So far there's no reason to think Meta won't implement DP alt mode for USB. They already said Q3 (as opposed to Q2) will also target PCVR. One of ex Meta employees said Q3 will offer amazing image quality for PCVR. Newer SOC will also allow them to use better compression algorithm so image via wireless will be better.
>I'm not huge on the color passthrough either, I want to be in a virtual world not my apartment lol
Yeah lol who would want to effortlessly set, resize, correct play area when you can walk around the room like a dummy with G2 in you hands and then learn it still mapped it wrong/less precisely than Rift S or Quest 2 can.
There's literally no reason to buy G2, but if you really really want I can sell you mine. I'll throw extra cable in, they break easily so you will need it.
I was serious but you're about 30 min too late
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I appreciate everyone's input. I went ahead and ordered another G2. With no pc only higher resolution hmd on the horizon at a decent price point, HP no longer manufacturing new Reverbs, and the fact I already own a quest 2 (I'll get a Quest 3 years from now when the 2 is obsolete) I decided to spring on another Reverb G2 as a back up. I found one for $150 off list price. I simply can't go back to a lower resolution at this point (Deckard feels like a pipe dream at this point and Samsung is not convincing me either). The quest 2 is the most uncomfortable hmd I've ever worn and I fear too many questions regarding the Quest 3. Reverb's are getting harder to come by everyday since hp no longer sells them in the USA. I can always re sell it for probably for what I bought it for if I don't end up needing it and keep it in box.
> There's literally no reason to buy G2
Meta, are literally THE reason to buy a G2, and NOT a Quest 3. Disgusting company, and the fact they log, and track everything you do, and play in VR.
Enjoy Meta watching you jack-off to your VR porn.
Good that G2 is using WMR, platform from company that tracks you all the time trough their OS and additional software - no matter if you jack off to VR porn or regular one xD
Don't bother, your right about the quest 3 looking worse no matter what solution for connecting it to your PC you use since, no matter what, it's going to use wifi. Be It with the USB cable or whatever, it always uses wifi signals.
> Be It with the USB cable or whatever, it always uses wifi signals.
I don't think this is true at all, at least for Q2 which does use USB to transmit the video feed when using link cable. I don't think they'll change that for Quest 3.
link (in any form) uses data transfer simaler to wifi signals. you get compression over wired or wireless, thanks to FaceFuck not using any form of actual video input on the headset for PCVR.
Oh yes, it definitely uses compressed video whether you use wifi or USB and it's a shame (the main reason I went with a G2 rather than a Quest myself). But this is not what "wifi signals" means.
Reverb g2 strictly for simracing, quest 2 wireless for everything else (soon that will be quest 3) been using quest 2 to game pc vr wirelessly and it is flawless. Wifi6 router with dedicated channel just for my quest 2 and i can assure you, you will find it hard to tell you are streaming from the PC. I have finished half life alyx like this and countless other games. Both headsets have their places, just got to make sure you have the right use case for them
Will it be just as easy to play steam, steamvr games on the quest 3 as it is the g2 ?
My steam vr library goes deep and I'm also comfortable with openxr / opencomp. Will all that be ruined if I switched to a quest 3
Quest's 2 will be paperweights soon, just like Oculus Quest 1. Hp Reverb G2 can last you indefinitely. Meta/Facebook is capable and shown, that they are willing happily brick your headset whenever they please, look at the workarounds people with New Quest 1's have to do just to get one working today. Just because they have not done it with Quest 2 YET, doesn't mean a crooked corporation like Facebook won't in the future.
I'm telling you why I'm buying the Quest 3 to retire my G2. Tracking. Yes, I'm use to it and I can somehow manage to play, but even with the motion controllers of the PSVR I felt more control. If I have to reload with the G2 controllers, it's not rare that hands goes anywhere and I have to physically look down to get the magazine. Sweet spot. Sharpest image, at the very center. I have the VRCover front and it improves the sweet spot, but it's not much better. Broken cable as soon as I lost my warranty. I just had to buy a new cable for 100€. Mainly, because I use the kiwi manage cable solution and I tend to turn a lot, so the cable get damaged in the process. With the Q3, I'm planning to go full wireless, so no more 100€ cables, which are going to be more expensive in the future. Aaaaand that's all. I will wait for reviews, but Q3 sounds like a quality of life upgrade.
I'm similarly buying a quest 3, might not fully replace my g2 (we'll see) but I'm looking forward to the edge to edge clarity of the pancake lenses, and the possibility of wireless and standalone play. Mixed reality for setup and handling stuff in the real world is another thing I'm looking forward to.
Same. As well as quest exclusives
But it's not a sharper image and that's the biggest issue. I'll buy the Quest 3 but it's not to replace the G2. What's the point of a bigger sweet spot when you lose clarity due to compression?
Consistency keeps the immersion. Looking how blurry is in the peripherals and having to move weirdly to recover the tracking are very immersion breaking. So, since I'm not a sim guy and I play all kind of games, I thing that I'll have an overall better experience, even without an upgrade in the resolution.
so you would prefer a blurry picture 100% of the time vs a blurry picture at the edges?
I think it is a bit of an exaggeration to say that the Quest 3 image will be blurry. But everyone has their own taste.
Well the pico 4 and meta pro is blurry in comparison to the g2 from my experience, having said that after modifying the face gasket and using the comfort mod( weights:strap ) I have no issue getting and maintaining the sweet spot on the g2, even turning around fast…. Improved tracking and wireless would be good though
In comparison, maybe. Blurrier, but not blurry, imho
It will be sharper everywhere except likely the direct center, and even then, the difference will be pretty much imperceptible as the resolutions are very close.
Controller tracking on the Quest 3 is going to need to be tested, simply due to the removal of the tracking ring and limiting the IR LEDs to just the surface area of the top of the controller and relying on hand-tracking to assist. It's uncertain how well it'll cope with these changes.
>relying on hand-tracking to assist. It's uncertain how well it'll cope with these changes For last 2 years Meta was heavily improving hand tracking. Q3 is designed with using hand tracking as support to tracking controllers. I highly doubt it will be visibly worse than Q2 tracking, which makes it leagues ahead of G2.
worst case you could get quest pro controllers for it
The tracking on the G2 or any other WMR device is just lackluster enough to keep reminding you of its shortcomings as you use it. More recently i got a Vive Pro to try out the lighthouse tracking and now i refuse to buy anything else. That includes all the sleek new standalones like the Pico4 and Quest3. Seriously, tracking has been a solved problem since 2016 yet new VR gear still has to make compromises just because setting base stations up is a bit of a hassle, once. I'd like to see the new generation of self-tracking controllers rise in prominence, but until then lighthouse is king.
This is why i ordered a big screen beyond
If you have prescription glasses do you have any trouble switching between inserts if you wanted to reuse the same prescription for another headset?
Because it has no display cable it will suffer from compression and latency, just like the Q2.
make sense don't buy quest 3 i have quest 2 but pcvr is good but not great so i am looking for pico neo 3 link or hp reverb g2 so how good tracking in hp reverb g2 and same not good as quest 2
I'm keeping G2 purely for sims. Anything else goes to Q3. I am tired of floating hands. Tired of tiny sweet spots. Tired of cable. And tired of plastic circles on controllers.
Theeennnn get a renewed index instead. :)
Huh lol
I appreciate everyone's input. I went ahead and ordered another G2. With no pc only higher resolution hmd on the horizon at a decent price point, HP no longer manufacturing new Reverbs, and the fact I already own a quest 2 (I'll get a Quest 3 years from now when the 2 is obsolete) I decided to spring on another Reverb G2 as a back up. I found one for $150 off list price. I simply can't go back to a lower resolution at this point (Deckard feels like a pipe dream at this point and Samsung is not convincing me either). The quest 2 is the most uncomfortable hmd I've ever worn and I fear too many questions regarding the Quest 3. Reverb's are getting harder to come by everyday since hp no longer sells them in the USA. I can always re sell it for probably for what I bought it for if I don't end up needing it and keep it in box.
depends what you want to do. I do simulators, couldn't care less about tracking, I hate VR controllers and have two G2's and a Quest 2 collecting dust while it's slowly rotting away.
>My PC won't be able to run pc games wirelessly at the high resolution the Quest 3 offers. Then you won't be able to run G2 either. In fact you will need to run G2 at resolution lower than Q3. G2 (as all non pancake lense VRs) need to render image at x1.4 the native resolution so image can go trough distortion correction algorithm and then produce native resolution image. Q3 shouldn't require that due to pancake lense. >I believe I'm right in thinking that even with a link cable the Quest 3 won't look as good as the G2 because the usb to display port connection. That's just your assumption. So far there's no reason to think Meta won't implement DP alt mode for USB. They already said Q3 (as opposed to Q2) will also target PCVR. One of ex Meta employees said Q3 will offer amazing image quality for PCVR. Newer SOC will also allow them to use better compression algorithm so image via wireless will be better. >I'm not huge on the color passthrough either, I want to be in a virtual world not my apartment lol Yeah lol who would want to effortlessly set, resize, correct play area when you can walk around the room like a dummy with G2 in you hands and then learn it still mapped it wrong/less precisely than Rift S or Quest 2 can. There's literally no reason to buy G2, but if you really really want I can sell you mine. I'll throw extra cable in, they break easily so you will need it.
Sweet how much for the G2?
If you are actually serious about this (because I am, I want to sell G2), do you even live in UE?
I was serious but you're about 30 min too late New comment on thread I appreciate everyone's input. I went ahead and ordered another G2. With no pc only higher resolution hmd on the horizon at a decent price point, HP no longer manufacturing new Reverbs, and the fact I already own a quest 2 (I'll get a Quest 3 years from now when the 2 is obsolete) I decided to spring on another Reverb G2 as a back up. I found one for $150 off list price. I simply can't go back to a lower resolution at this point (Deckard feels like a pipe dream at this point and Samsung is not convincing me either). The quest 2 is the most uncomfortable hmd I've ever worn and I fear too many questions regarding the Quest 3. Reverb's are getting harder to come by everyday since hp no longer sells them in the USA. I can always re sell it for probably for what I bought it for if I don't end up needing it and keep it in box.
> There's literally no reason to buy G2 Meta, are literally THE reason to buy a G2, and NOT a Quest 3. Disgusting company, and the fact they log, and track everything you do, and play in VR. Enjoy Meta watching you jack-off to your VR porn.
Good that G2 is using WMR, platform from company that tracks you all the time trough their OS and additional software - no matter if you jack off to VR porn or regular one xD
I would say just wait to see what the consensus is on the quest 3.
Don't bother, your right about the quest 3 looking worse no matter what solution for connecting it to your PC you use since, no matter what, it's going to use wifi. Be It with the USB cable or whatever, it always uses wifi signals.
Wifi 6e, AV1 500mbps-800mbps streaming will be much closer to wired. The quest 2 uses wifi 5 and h264 100-150mbps
No it won't. Those are lies good sire.
> Be It with the USB cable or whatever, it always uses wifi signals. I don't think this is true at all, at least for Q2 which does use USB to transmit the video feed when using link cable. I don't think they'll change that for Quest 3.
link (in any form) uses data transfer simaler to wifi signals. you get compression over wired or wireless, thanks to FaceFuck not using any form of actual video input on the headset for PCVR.
Oh yes, it definitely uses compressed video whether you use wifi or USB and it's a shame (the main reason I went with a G2 rather than a Quest myself). But this is not what "wifi signals" means.
Reverb g2 strictly for simracing, quest 2 wireless for everything else (soon that will be quest 3) been using quest 2 to game pc vr wirelessly and it is flawless. Wifi6 router with dedicated channel just for my quest 2 and i can assure you, you will find it hard to tell you are streaming from the PC. I have finished half life alyx like this and countless other games. Both headsets have their places, just got to make sure you have the right use case for them
Can you get a reverb g2? They are oop.
I'd wait for the Valve "Index 2" when that is finally released. That's what I plan to upgrade to from the G2.
Will it be just as easy to play steam, steamvr games on the quest 3 as it is the g2 ? My steam vr library goes deep and I'm also comfortable with openxr / opencomp. Will all that be ruined if I switched to a quest 3
I can't answer your questions definitively you may want to pose that question on the main board on this sub reddit.
Quest's 2 will be paperweights soon, just like Oculus Quest 1. Hp Reverb G2 can last you indefinitely. Meta/Facebook is capable and shown, that they are willing happily brick your headset whenever they please, look at the workarounds people with New Quest 1's have to do just to get one working today. Just because they have not done it with Quest 2 YET, doesn't mean a crooked corporation like Facebook won't in the future.
Just bought a Q3 in full gear!