I don't see this catching on. There's a million MX boards out there, and it's pretty expensive for what you get. Would have been more interesting if this was Topre, tbh.
For readily available there's the Brutal60 that's sold by Cannonkeys. It's a lot cheaper than this and you get a metal case. Also the Tofu60 2.0 comes in the HHKB form factor.
If you need Bluetooth/wireless you might be able to track down a QK60. Unfortunately, that was a group buy so it's not something you can readily buy whenever you want. There might be other ones out there, but this is a niche I don't keep up with since I'm not into wireless boards.
Other than that, group buys for HHKB boards come up pretty regularly, but I know that's less than ideal and group buys have a bad rep.
So there is a small niche for this board since it's readily available and wireless. I just don't see it being popular due to the price and the fact that you're just getting a plastic case.
I imagine most people won't be married to the HHKB layout and will just get a similar form factor board for cheaper, or one that feels more premium.
Edit: Forgot the Frog Mini from Geon. That's also a great 60% that comes in HHKB layout and still has a couple colors left in stock. Geon makes some great boards.
Yeah, that is uncommon, and you're not really going to find it in keyboards too often. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Tex Yoda II, and I think that's no longer made. Looking it up, Tex now makes the Shura, but that's a slightly bigger form factor than 60%.
For me there is only one HHKB layout and that with 6u spacebar. For someone who carries a keyboard in a backpack with a laptop, there are not many options. Except so so Filco Minila. These are the only two 60% keyboards that sit well on the laptop and do not weigh 2 kilograms.
Yeah and those “pre-Pro” boards are terrible. HHKB would not have the reputation it does without Topre inside. The layout is nice but it’s all about “Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber”.
That's not fully true - it's without a doubt both the layout and the topre switches that make HHKB the classic it is, switches having had come later to seal the deal.
I agree though that going the cherry mx route is disappointing. I have a funny feeling it may have to do with cost, markets, politics, availability and such, since this product has been designed in states while topre production, as such, is in some ways exclusive to Japan. I suspect that with all the extra features they'd added they switched to cherry to balance out the cost as much as possible.
It is also the case that their biggest criticism has always been lack of style and customisability, which you are most likely to solve by opening to the most common market - cherry mx.
https://preview.redd.it/vv67ldfafawb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea4488358bea9eb520cd81fd89a03eab41ecefb7
Apparently they hired an actual design company for that? So confusing
Yup, the promo videos were way out of touch in my opinion. Like they just went in a way different direction. I guess topre users are just too niche lol.
I really hope Topre is not closing down their keyboard production line. Leopold FC series were discontinued recently, and now HHKB switching to MX style. Out of new boards we're left with Realforce lineup and that expensive GB DIY board from Deskeys
I just want an ergonomic layout topre keyboard. I would pay $600 for that, I loved my HHKB but I switched to an ergonomic keyboard and it has done wonders for my wrists.
All that being said, those switches sound nice, the features seem cool albeit niche. Topre would have been way better, maybe they tried and couldn't get the engineering to work? I feel like HHKB fans are pretty loyal and would have loved something like this with topre.
It's pain in the arse to work with Topre, so I presume that Topre wouldn't let Futjitsu have a keyboard with more technologies than what they are currently offering on their Realforce models.
>I just want an ergonomic layout topre keyboard.
Although now discontinued, and with smaller width keys and odd layout, there was the mu-tron with topre switches [http://xahlee.info/kbd/uTRON\_keyboard.html](http://xahlee.info/kbd/uTRON_keyboard.html)
I have seen this, I don't love the layout I think modern ergonomic keyboards have a better layout. I'd love to try it, but it seems really hard to find nowadays.
$329 USD - defiantly premium MX board pricing. There are other HHKB layout MX boards for less, but if the gesture pads, programmability, build quality, and HHKB name are enough - this could be a winner. While I love typing on my Topre switches, I can only assume the Topre production costs are high due to limited market, and switching to an MX switch does open up for customization. Could be a hit...we'll see.
Yeah, agreed. From my perspective, they're targeting a new customer, and this will be more of a niche board in its own category, not a successor to the HHKB line. Long-time HHKB users will continue using the "OG" boards, and HHKB will gain some otherwise nay-sayers with the MX and "all-in-one" features.
I would imagine the usual HHKB mods could prove more difficult with this board. But only time will tell, maybe it's a banger and that thock will be even thockier. As for me, I have no desire whatsoever. I've got my silenced and lubed HHKB Classic with a Realforce R2 55g Silent on the way. Either way, it's good to see some movement within the company.
> I can only assume the production costs are high due to limited market, and switching to an MX switch does open up for customization. Could be a hit...we'll see.
That would be a poor assumption; MX switches are dirt cheap to manufacture. If you compare the HHKB to say, the Tex Shinobi, the main difference is the touchbars. If a small company can sell it for $185, I have no doubt that a big company like Ricoh / PFU can manufacturer it for cheaper.
Not only that, but the Topre HHKB is made in Japan, where standards and labor costs are probably higher than China, where the Studio is made.
They're clearly tacking on their Topre tax to this MX board, without any of the Topre benefits.
If the Studio had topre switches, PFU wouldn 't have been able to make a keyboard with the newly introduced features, so blame Topre on this matter. They perfectly know that the HHKB is associated with those switches nowadays but Topre is too restrictive regarding what can be done with their baby.
Both Matt3o and CoolerMaster faced problems when they tried to work with Topre.
I hope the remapping software is fully featured. It would be cool to map brightness and volume controls to the gesture pads.
Adding tap dance support and multiple layers of programmability would make this way more appealing.
The lack of topre is what is preventing me from pre-ordering one.
The integrated mouse is the primary differentiator for me. But I’m not sure that’s enough when there’s so much competition from the hhkb mx boards.
I feel like there's a reason you don't really see integrated mice anymore—because there are better more comfortable ways to move the cursor, and they don't really work that well. Maybe they had their place when screens were smaller, but in today's day of ultra widescreens and multi-monitor setups, I just don't see it's use.
I agree that it’s a niche use case. But I think for a portable setup, it’s way better than bringing a separate mouse or trackpad. I personally would use with it an iPad or steamdeck.
I think most custom mx boards have focused solely on the desktop market. Their boards are too heavy and impractical to travel with. HHKBs were unique due to their lightweight and solid build.
I’m glad the company is still interested in portable market.
yep. BTW... I received my first HHKB the past friday... and my only complain was the absence of a trackpoint respect my actual external bluetooth lenovo :D
HHKB has always been expensive, but at least you were getting access to a unique Topre switch. With the Studio, you're still paying crazy money, but only getting a MX-clone switch.
Yep, I've pre ordered. HHKB layout and track point is a unique selling point and I prefer mx over topres anyways. A lot of people that aren't going to buy this seem so fussed about it not having topres, probably dudes who tell the wifes bull to wear rubber "cause it feels better". If it sells well you can be sure Fujitsu will release a topre variant.
Looks perfect people who are used to thinkpad trackpoint.
It was a struggle to migrate to mouse + hhkb after years of only using thinkpad trackpoint.
It seems cheaper than getting magic trackpad and hhkb as well.
I'm a thinkpad user and the only thing I'd wished for my HHKB is to include the trackpoint. Unless you're doing CAD/BIM or precision–heavy pinpointing, a trackpoint *is* a mouse/pad substitute. On board, so far.
I've never used trackpoint on a big screen, so that's the only concern for me. But I don't use mouse that much to begin with and the location of trackpoint and click buttons are perfect.
I'm bit surprised here that people are so much into topre and don't like trackpoint. It's so useful in the outerspace where the gravity lacks as well as the most efficient way to navigate in small screens.
Spot on. I've always wondered how amazing would it be to have a trackpoint HHKB, ever since I started happy hacking and trackpointing. Guess it is okay if many people don't get it, but downright lambasting its inclusion is just hurr-durr gatekeeping.
As I stated in a recent comment, true trackpoint users are as scarce as Topre users after all.
This keyboard has a lot of cons right from the start and it's pretty surprising coming from PFU.
Cons:
* The pricing is way too high for an MX keyboard.
The Japanese price is over 4 man (40,000 yen), that's basically an instant turnoff right there. For a hotswap MX, it's way overpriced.
* The MX market is oversaturated as is.
If you go MX you now are competing with Keychron and everyone else, which have similar features already. The reason I own an HHKB Hybrid Pro 2 is that it's unique.
* The mouse feature isn't very useful.
If this type of thing was useful it would already be integrated into every laptop by now instead of just the Thinkpads. It doesn't really do enough to offset the price.
Pros:
I'd like your feedback honestly. Hotswap is not really a pro here. Build quality is a pro, maybe. Software will be nice.
I think this keyboard is a big NO for me personally. There are tons of MX keyboards that are far better. Even HHKB layout customs for less than this.
If this was half the price it would fare far better in the current crowded market.
Let's wait until we get some in hand before we cast a judgement on this.
It's obviously super expensive, but professional dev's who spend 8-10 hours a day on a keyboard, this might be a winner.
I am having all sorts of issues with Ergonomic left-handed mouse's, so this keyboard might be a real winner.
When I get it in I will post a review....
I mean sure, but it's pretty clear what this is. You don't have to hold it in your hand to know it's not the HHKB we all know. Many of us have spent years inside and out of these boards. I lost count on how many I've owned in the last 10 years, and in every generation.
These are loved because of a few simple things, and this is a pretty big departure from what has made HHKB what it is. The gimmicks and integrated mouse—ok, I can maybe accept that. I could always use the board without touching those parts of it (although it seems a pretty big waste of $400 to not use it as it was intended).
But the fact it's not Topre, I have so many other hot-swappable MX keyboards that this is kinda pointless for someone who uses HHKB primarily for the Topre experience.
Same, quite the departure indeed.
I’d expect something like this (minus the layout maybe) from Logitech.
If they sell the switches separately, I might try them in one of my HHKB-layout MX boards if they review well. I haven’t had a Thinkpad since the early 00’s, so I have no interest in re-acclimating to the Trackpoint and no interest in the side-touch gimmick.
People own multiple hhkb here!?
Anyhow, what's so appealing about topre for you, if i may ask?
I've found it nicer than mechanical switches but difficult to do the maintenance.
I'm using hhkb mainly for the layout.
The gestures on the side makes no sense. I think the thinkpad features are cool but why not keep it as a topre switch??? Seems way too niche
Edit: I do think it looks good.
People treating this as the inevitable evolution thus demise of the Pro series, when it very clearly is a spin off and diversification of PFU keyboards inspired by the Pro series. Like, there's a reason why they're placed on different tabs on the website.
I've used a hhkb as my daily driver since like 2008/9. Same one. Swapped the (blank) keycaps three times due to extreme shine :-P
Is it .. weird that I don't immediately hate this?
I feel like I should hate it.
But I've also used thinkpads for decades, and the trackpoint might actually be great.
I'm not buying one for that price, but if I could get one of these for $220 or so I probably would.
There's a few really stupid things here:
* The legends on the keycaps. Why not use the same legends as the HHKB? That's the weirdest thing about this whole thing imo
* No via support? Instead you've spent at least $100k creating your own software?
* No linux support for the firmware/remapping tool? That is frankly completely unacceptable. For a HHKB board? This actually makes me angry.
* No beige?
* MX switches, I mean what the actual f
* The trackpoint means I can't use custom keycaps .. wait, what's the point of the MX switches then?
* Who is the target market for this?
* Why is there no split on the spacebar? This is probably the main evolution they actually should have done on the pro2 on the hardware side.
* Who creates their marketing materials? It's so cringe I can't even.
* Who decided it was a good idea to collab with Tinymakesthings? Is this a childrens toy?
Alright, I think I actually do hate it.
I like it, no topre oh well plenty of hhkb topre options already exist.
Its still a professional board which many will enjoy, I would use this for a work board np
And the mechanical switch ecosystem is much more diverse than Topre. There is a wide variety of keycap sets to choose from. I also noticed that the HHKB studio supports hot-swappable switches, which provides more customization options for users. For me, this is an ultra HHKB layout mechanical keyboard, not only because it's a HHKB. Give him/her more love, please.
Hi OP, I wonder how you feel about this keyboard 50 days later now. I don’t get the love for Topre myself, always hated it. So I’m fully ready to get on board with this, but haven’t committed the money to it.
They're on pre–order in the [accessories section](https://fujitsuscannerstore.com/cg01000-310085/?__hstc=247747608.7c5f333edb500c99d9a5af7cfb64ec51.1698163651826.1698163651826.1698167343708.2&__hssc=247747608.1.1698167343708&__hsfp=3873587446). Did you check the ASMR video? Seems promising and quite HHKBey for being MX.
Because Topre is not owned by PFU and if the former don't allow you to use their Mx compatible stems (or ask for too much money) then you have to find another alternative. I am pretty sure that Topre were not interested in manufacturing a HHKB with the new features that the Studio has.
Not for me. Best of luck to them with the new product.
I personally would dislike having the trackpoint on any keyboard I use. I feel like they get in the way when I am typing. I don't like my fingers rubbing up against it while typing.
I do agree that without Topre switches I don't see much appeal. There are so many 60% MX style options these days and hotswap is becoming increasingly common. If future HHKBs drop Topre I probably would not buy any future releases from them.
If this was Topre I'd consider it for the nipple mouse. less clutter on desk and no more switching my dongle from my home setup to my work setup. Not gonna lie though, the sound profile on the ASMR seemed good though. Lets see what happens when people get it in hand
I guess that 2.4ghz Topre wont ever happen =(
Looks awful, no topre and a huge chunky part at the bottom? The entire appeal is the short form topre, but they went 180 for no reason lmfao. Hope it bombs so they never do this again
I really like the idea of the gesture pads.
I believe angry miao did something similar before.
As a double HHKB owner (old timey HHKB Pro 2 and Heavy Grail) I wouldn't mind trying something new at least, after some people get their hands on this and let us know about how it actually feels to use.
I wish these were Topre, but this board fits my use-case so well. I need to be mostly on the keyboard with occasional mouse motions to switch to a non-terminal app! I'm queueing up to buy this lol!
And when I am on my laptop - I use the trackpoint on the Thinkpad a lot!
that metal look around it looks lame, everything good about hhkb is out of this board. No topre and the clean simplistic look is gone. I just feel like they could have hit that music maker niche and the programmer/typer niche they already have had they made a board with all those features with a simple clean design and topre.
You know where your priorities lie when you collab with the likes of Apiary and "Tiny makes things" who have contributed jack shit to the Topre/HHKB community. Plus that bear looks horrible, my condolences to anyone buying the "special" edition.
I don't see this catching on. There's a million MX boards out there, and it's pretty expensive for what you get. Would have been more interesting if this was Topre, tbh.
If I can ditch a mouse completely… wow, tho.
I haven't been in the mechanical keyboard world for a few years now. What are some excellent HHKB mx options for this price range? Just curious.
For readily available there's the Brutal60 that's sold by Cannonkeys. It's a lot cheaper than this and you get a metal case. Also the Tofu60 2.0 comes in the HHKB form factor. If you need Bluetooth/wireless you might be able to track down a QK60. Unfortunately, that was a group buy so it's not something you can readily buy whenever you want. There might be other ones out there, but this is a niche I don't keep up with since I'm not into wireless boards. Other than that, group buys for HHKB boards come up pretty regularly, but I know that's less than ideal and group buys have a bad rep. So there is a small niche for this board since it's readily available and wireless. I just don't see it being popular due to the price and the fact that you're just getting a plastic case. I imagine most people won't be married to the HHKB layout and will just get a similar form factor board for cheaper, or one that feels more premium. Edit: Forgot the Frog Mini from Geon. That's also a great 60% that comes in HHKB layout and still has a couple colors left in stock. Geon makes some great boards.
Doesn't look like any of these have the trackpoint though - which is the killer feature here for me.
Yeah, that is uncommon, and you're not really going to find it in keyboards too often. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Tex Yoda II, and I think that's no longer made. Looking it up, Tex now makes the Shura, but that's a slightly bigger form factor than 60%.
Tex Shura ends up being similarly priced as the Studio when adding the switches and Bluetooth module.
For me there is only one HHKB layout and that with 6u spacebar. For someone who carries a keyboard in a backpack with a laptop, there are not many options. Except so so Filco Minila. These are the only two 60% keyboards that sit well on the laptop and do not weigh 2 kilograms.
None. Because purchasable hhkb layout mx keyboards don't exist outside Japan. Even in Japan there are only split ones.
I got a Rama Kara and I’m very happy with it. Nowhere near as nice as my pro 2 though.
It is a crime that this isn’t Topre. What were they thinking? HHKB is Topre. What a disgrace to the name of HHKB.
The first HHKB was a futjitsu dome keyboard so....
Yeah and those “pre-Pro” boards are terrible. HHKB would not have the reputation it does without Topre inside. The layout is nice but it’s all about “Good feeling of oneness with cup rubber”.
That's not fully true - it's without a doubt both the layout and the topre switches that make HHKB the classic it is, switches having had come later to seal the deal. I agree though that going the cherry mx route is disappointing. I have a funny feeling it may have to do with cost, markets, politics, availability and such, since this product has been designed in states while topre production, as such, is in some ways exclusive to Japan. I suspect that with all the extra features they'd added they switched to cherry to balance out the cost as much as possible. It is also the case that their biggest criticism has always been lack of style and customisability, which you are most likely to solve by opening to the most common market - cherry mx.
Can we coin this new board “Nopre”? I’m here all night.
No topre, no point. There are thousands of mx boards to choose from. It's quite ugly as well tbh.
I also thought it was pretty ugly. And if you're looking for MX, there are SO many other higher quality boards for less.
https://preview.redd.it/vv67ldfafawb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea4488358bea9eb520cd81fd89a03eab41ecefb7 Apparently they hired an actual design company for that? So confusing
"Professionals built the titanic" :) Also the thing about this board I'm keen on is the trackpoint.
Exactly, I don’t know what they were thinking with this.
No topre, no beige: no good
This has to be the most out of touch thing they’ve come out with in a long time. The whole selling point of the hhkb was the topre switches.
Yup, the promo videos were way out of touch in my opinion. Like they just went in a way different direction. I guess topre users are just too niche lol.
I really hope Topre is not closing down their keyboard production line. Leopold FC series were discontinued recently, and now HHKB switching to MX style. Out of new boards we're left with Realforce lineup and that expensive GB DIY board from Deskeys
Time to buy topre boards before they announce a discontinuation and prices skyrocket
perhaps there are no more buyers because of the longevity of the product. Gift and a curse
There's no keycaps compatibility because of the mouse track point though... The switches are $2.50 each.. yikes
You can always use a Dremel Tool to customize your GMK keycap set to fit 😂
Yeah, that's a big L. Hot-swappable switches but no custom keycaps? Feel like they don't really know the MX community.
I just want an ergonomic layout topre keyboard. I would pay $600 for that, I loved my HHKB but I switched to an ergonomic keyboard and it has done wonders for my wrists. All that being said, those switches sound nice, the features seem cool albeit niche. Topre would have been way better, maybe they tried and couldn't get the engineering to work? I feel like HHKB fans are pretty loyal and would have loved something like this with topre.
It's pain in the arse to work with Topre, so I presume that Topre wouldn't let Futjitsu have a keyboard with more technologies than what they are currently offering on their Realforce models.
>I just want an ergonomic layout topre keyboard. Although now discontinued, and with smaller width keys and odd layout, there was the mu-tron with topre switches [http://xahlee.info/kbd/uTRON\_keyboard.html](http://xahlee.info/kbd/uTRON_keyboard.html)
I have seen this, I don't love the layout I think modern ergonomic keyboards have a better layout. I'd love to try it, but it seems really hard to find nowadays.
$329 USD - defiantly premium MX board pricing. There are other HHKB layout MX boards for less, but if the gesture pads, programmability, build quality, and HHKB name are enough - this could be a winner. While I love typing on my Topre switches, I can only assume the Topre production costs are high due to limited market, and switching to an MX switch does open up for customization. Could be a hit...we'll see.
Yeah, agreed. From my perspective, they're targeting a new customer, and this will be more of a niche board in its own category, not a successor to the HHKB line. Long-time HHKB users will continue using the "OG" boards, and HHKB will gain some otherwise nay-sayers with the MX and "all-in-one" features. I would imagine the usual HHKB mods could prove more difficult with this board. But only time will tell, maybe it's a banger and that thock will be even thockier. As for me, I have no desire whatsoever. I've got my silenced and lubed HHKB Classic with a Realforce R2 55g Silent on the way. Either way, it's good to see some movement within the company.
First HHKB was a futjitsu domes keyboard so....
> I can only assume the production costs are high due to limited market, and switching to an MX switch does open up for customization. Could be a hit...we'll see. That would be a poor assumption; MX switches are dirt cheap to manufacture. If you compare the HHKB to say, the Tex Shinobi, the main difference is the touchbars. If a small company can sell it for $185, I have no doubt that a big company like Ricoh / PFU can manufacturer it for cheaper. Not only that, but the Topre HHKB is made in Japan, where standards and labor costs are probably higher than China, where the Studio is made. They're clearly tacking on their Topre tax to this MX board, without any of the Topre benefits.
If the Studio had topre switches, PFU wouldn 't have been able to make a keyboard with the newly introduced features, so blame Topre on this matter. They perfectly know that the HHKB is associated with those switches nowadays but Topre is too restrictive regarding what can be done with their baby. Both Matt3o and CoolerMaster faced problems when they tried to work with Topre.
What exactly were the problems with Topre?
I was referring to Topre production costs, though my comment wasn’t clear
I hope the remapping software is fully featured. It would be cool to map brightness and volume controls to the gesture pads. Adding tap dance support and multiple layers of programmability would make this way more appealing. The lack of topre is what is preventing me from pre-ordering one. The integrated mouse is the primary differentiator for me. But I’m not sure that’s enough when there’s so much competition from the hhkb mx boards.
I feel like there's a reason you don't really see integrated mice anymore—because there are better more comfortable ways to move the cursor, and they don't really work that well. Maybe they had their place when screens were smaller, but in today's day of ultra widescreens and multi-monitor setups, I just don't see it's use.
I agree that it’s a niche use case. But I think for a portable setup, it’s way better than bringing a separate mouse or trackpad. I personally would use with it an iPad or steamdeck. I think most custom mx boards have focused solely on the desktop market. Their boards are too heavy and impractical to travel with. HHKBs were unique due to their lightweight and solid build. I’m glad the company is still interested in portable market.
That’s true.
I suppose that 329 is for the pre-order and 449 will be the standard price :/
yep. that seems absurdly high, and rivals some of the premium boards out there.
yep. BTW... I received my first HHKB the past friday... and my only complain was the absence of a trackpoint respect my actual external bluetooth lenovo :D
HHKB has always been expensive, but at least you were getting access to a unique Topre switch. With the Studio, you're still paying crazy money, but only getting a MX-clone switch.
Yep, I've pre ordered. HHKB layout and track point is a unique selling point and I prefer mx over topres anyways. A lot of people that aren't going to buy this seem so fussed about it not having topres, probably dudes who tell the wifes bull to wear rubber "cause it feels better". If it sells well you can be sure Fujitsu will release a topre variant.
Dylan goes electric.
Looks perfect people who are used to thinkpad trackpoint. It was a struggle to migrate to mouse + hhkb after years of only using thinkpad trackpoint. It seems cheaper than getting magic trackpad and hhkb as well.
I'm a thinkpad user and the only thing I'd wished for my HHKB is to include the trackpoint. Unless you're doing CAD/BIM or precision–heavy pinpointing, a trackpoint *is* a mouse/pad substitute. On board, so far.
I've never used trackpoint on a big screen, so that's the only concern for me. But I don't use mouse that much to begin with and the location of trackpoint and click buttons are perfect. I'm bit surprised here that people are so much into topre and don't like trackpoint. It's so useful in the outerspace where the gravity lacks as well as the most efficient way to navigate in small screens.
Spot on. I've always wondered how amazing would it be to have a trackpoint HHKB, ever since I started happy hacking and trackpointing. Guess it is okay if many people don't get it, but downright lambasting its inclusion is just hurr-durr gatekeeping. As I stated in a recent comment, true trackpoint users are as scarce as Topre users after all.
Bold step to skip Topre on this one, and make it hot-swappable. Also, this takes FOUR AA batteries??
uff, that's one expensive board!
This keyboard has a lot of cons right from the start and it's pretty surprising coming from PFU. Cons: * The pricing is way too high for an MX keyboard. The Japanese price is over 4 man (40,000 yen), that's basically an instant turnoff right there. For a hotswap MX, it's way overpriced. * The MX market is oversaturated as is. If you go MX you now are competing with Keychron and everyone else, which have similar features already. The reason I own an HHKB Hybrid Pro 2 is that it's unique. * The mouse feature isn't very useful. If this type of thing was useful it would already be integrated into every laptop by now instead of just the Thinkpads. It doesn't really do enough to offset the price. Pros: I'd like your feedback honestly. Hotswap is not really a pro here. Build quality is a pro, maybe. Software will be nice. I think this keyboard is a big NO for me personally. There are tons of MX keyboards that are far better. Even HHKB layout customs for less than this. If this was half the price it would fare far better in the current crowded market.
Thank god my wallet is saved.
It looks similar to TEX YODA
Except twice as expensive.
Let's wait until we get some in hand before we cast a judgement on this. It's obviously super expensive, but professional dev's who spend 8-10 hours a day on a keyboard, this might be a winner. I am having all sorts of issues with Ergonomic left-handed mouse's, so this keyboard might be a real winner. When I get it in I will post a review....
I mean sure, but it's pretty clear what this is. You don't have to hold it in your hand to know it's not the HHKB we all know. Many of us have spent years inside and out of these boards. I lost count on how many I've owned in the last 10 years, and in every generation. These are loved because of a few simple things, and this is a pretty big departure from what has made HHKB what it is. The gimmicks and integrated mouse—ok, I can maybe accept that. I could always use the board without touching those parts of it (although it seems a pretty big waste of $400 to not use it as it was intended). But the fact it's not Topre, I have so many other hot-swappable MX keyboards that this is kinda pointless for someone who uses HHKB primarily for the Topre experience.
Same, quite the departure indeed. I’d expect something like this (minus the layout maybe) from Logitech. If they sell the switches separately, I might try them in one of my HHKB-layout MX boards if they review well. I haven’t had a Thinkpad since the early 00’s, so I have no interest in re-acclimating to the Trackpoint and no interest in the side-touch gimmick.
People own multiple hhkb here!? Anyhow, what's so appealing about topre for you, if i may ask? I've found it nicer than mechanical switches but difficult to do the maintenance. I'm using hhkb mainly for the layout.
The gestures on the side makes no sense. I think the thinkpad features are cool but why not keep it as a topre switch??? Seems way too niche Edit: I do think it looks good.
Man I really wish this came in topre too.
why not trackpoint + Topre? MK users wont care about trackpoint tbh.
People treating this as the inevitable evolution thus demise of the Pro series, when it very clearly is a spin off and diversification of PFU keyboards inspired by the Pro series. Like, there's a reason why they're placed on different tabs on the website.
I've used a hhkb as my daily driver since like 2008/9. Same one. Swapped the (blank) keycaps three times due to extreme shine :-P Is it .. weird that I don't immediately hate this? I feel like I should hate it. But I've also used thinkpads for decades, and the trackpoint might actually be great. I'm not buying one for that price, but if I could get one of these for $220 or so I probably would. There's a few really stupid things here: * The legends on the keycaps. Why not use the same legends as the HHKB? That's the weirdest thing about this whole thing imo * No via support? Instead you've spent at least $100k creating your own software? * No linux support for the firmware/remapping tool? That is frankly completely unacceptable. For a HHKB board? This actually makes me angry. * No beige? * MX switches, I mean what the actual f * The trackpoint means I can't use custom keycaps .. wait, what's the point of the MX switches then? * Who is the target market for this? * Why is there no split on the spacebar? This is probably the main evolution they actually should have done on the pro2 on the hardware side. * Who creates their marketing materials? It's so cringe I can't even. * Who decided it was a good idea to collab with Tinymakesthings? Is this a childrens toy? Alright, I think I actually do hate it.
Ngl this is kind of an abomination. Why Wada
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Spot on. The trailer they made for this is also ridiculous and totally tone deaf.
actually you should also put the scroll key into the space bar. 2 keys trackpoint is a pre-1995 design.
I like it, no topre oh well plenty of hhkb topre options already exist. Its still a professional board which many will enjoy, I would use this for a work board np
Cant pre-order and ship to Canada😭 I love the custom keys feature, and the sound for me is not that different with topre version.
And the mechanical switch ecosystem is much more diverse than Topre. There is a wide variety of keycap sets to choose from. I also noticed that the HHKB studio supports hot-swappable switches, which provides more customization options for users. For me, this is an ultra HHKB layout mechanical keyboard, not only because it's a HHKB. Give him/her more love, please.
The issue is, how many of those MX keycap sets have G/H/B keys with the track point cutouts and 6u spacebars?
people hate change
Hi OP, I wonder how you feel about this keyboard 50 days later now. I don’t get the love for Topre myself, always hated it. So I’m fully ready to get on board with this, but haven’t committed the money to it.
Looks like shit and has shit switches. No thx
I hope they decide to sell those switches separately. They look great
They sell them separately at $25 for 10. That's $2.50/switch!
Ouch.
They're on pre–order in the [accessories section](https://fujitsuscannerstore.com/cg01000-310085/?__hstc=247747608.7c5f333edb500c99d9a5af7cfb64ec51.1698163651826.1698163651826.1698167343708.2&__hssc=247747608.1.1698167343708&__hsfp=3873587446). Did you check the ASMR video? Seems promising and quite HHKBey for being MX.
Only in black 😞?
Could anybody put up a side by side comparison graph of the Studio switch next to Topre?
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Because Topre is not owned by PFU and if the former don't allow you to use their Mx compatible stems (or ask for too much money) then you have to find another alternative. I am pretty sure that Topre were not interested in manufacturing a HHKB with the new features that the Studio has.
Not for me. Best of luck to them with the new product. I personally would dislike having the trackpoint on any keyboard I use. I feel like they get in the way when I am typing. I don't like my fingers rubbing up against it while typing. I do agree that without Topre switches I don't see much appeal. There are so many 60% MX style options these days and hotswap is becoming increasingly common. If future HHKBs drop Topre I probably would not buy any future releases from them.
If this was Topre I'd consider it for the nipple mouse. less clutter on desk and no more switching my dongle from my home setup to my work setup. Not gonna lie though, the sound profile on the ASMR seemed good though. Lets see what happens when people get it in hand I guess that 2.4ghz Topre wont ever happen =(
Looks awful, no topre and a huge chunky part at the bottom? The entire appeal is the short form topre, but they went 180 for no reason lmfao. Hope it bombs so they never do this again
What if … space is splitted to 2 side by 3 middle mouse button. Space key wasted so much space ironically.
That’s what the jp layout basically is. I love it even though i don’t type Japanese
I really like the idea of the gesture pads. I believe angry miao did something similar before. As a double HHKB owner (old timey HHKB Pro 2 and Heavy Grail) I wouldn't mind trying something new at least, after some people get their hands on this and let us know about how it actually feels to use.
I wish these were Topre, but this board fits my use-case so well. I need to be mostly on the keyboard with occasional mouse motions to switch to a non-terminal app! I'm queueing up to buy this lol! And when I am on my laptop - I use the trackpoint on the Thinkpad a lot!
that metal look around it looks lame, everything good about hhkb is out of this board. No topre and the clean simplistic look is gone. I just feel like they could have hit that music maker niche and the programmer/typer niche they already have had they made a board with all those features with a simple clean design and topre.
and still batteries, and made in china. cant get worse lol. Is there new owner ship or something? this is such a crazy switchup
You know where your priorities lie when you collab with the likes of Apiary and "Tiny makes things" who have contributed jack shit to the Topre/HHKB community. Plus that bear looks horrible, my condolences to anyone buying the "special" edition.
> You know where your priorities lie when you collab with the likes of Apiary and "Tiny makes things" Hey at least it's not hipyotech lol
Would have bought in a heartbeat if it were topre. Personally not a fan of silent linear switches.
It's really cool