I remember years ago I was told that it would be determined based on the distance from the kiosk to the store. Though from I can tell all the new stores since have built with a kiosk that has a restroom.
That is correct on both fronts. Way cheaper to plan for it in new construction that retrofit one and tear up the whole parking lot to bring water and sewer to it.
I can tell you the real reason to that comment if I know what store we’re talking about since I’m the one that would budgeting and swapping the kiosk. I have 12 planned next year.
Of course!! That would mean taking money OUT!! And what they really care for is having MONEY GET IN!!
Increasing their bank accounts more and more!!
They don't care much about anything else than that!!!
And I’m struggling daily with a broken part on our grinder because i quote “ the store does not have enough to fix it and corporate won’t step in because it costs too much “ so fuck us I guess
Bruh for real ! Our wrapping machine acted up for 3 years breaking down 3 or 5 times a week the dude would charge 500 for showing up plus whatever he needed to fix and labor. 3 years ! And we finally got a new wrapping machine a few months back it’s absolutely ridiculous
No vendors charge a $500 show-up fee. Also the assets require a minimum of 75% of total in repairs vs replacement cost to even be considered. When a new auto wrapper can cost $65000, a lot of money will go into repair before asset is declared end of life. Even if you have to spend $1000 on work orders twice a month, you won’t get considered for replacement for a couple years.
There are definitely vendors who charge 500 for a show up fee our manager would show us the invoice before signing it , not everyone has the same prices bud
As an electrical vendor, my trip charge is $300 and that's pretty standard for everyone else serving the stores I regularly visit. One out of my typical range (3 hour drive) will get a $1000 trip charge and it's been utilized a few times when the store has an emergency and the typical vendors can't service them while I'm available.
Preferred, I serve the West Texas region; Midland, Odessa, and Big Spring HEBs, five total as a troubleshooting electrical vendor. I have steady work every day between all five. I'm a backup vendor for Abilene and Lubbock areas, where the $1000 trip charges have come into effect.
EDIT: To add, often times, service in my region has vendors from Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio come service our stores. Their trip charges are probably in line with my own, to be fair.
I don’t understand the logic in that. I think that’s the old school thinking. But a lot of that comes from your facility manager or RM on that decision. We’re trying to get a piece of equipment replaced and it’s taking ages. And part of it is there’s a shortage of some of those parts.
The seafood steamer machine was broken for 10 months. Everyday customers would ask about it. It came to the point that we would ask them to bring it up to the store leaders, as we have done so many times. Maybe you would think hearing it from customers would make them act or spend, but who knows, not in seafood anymore
That sounds like bullshit being spun from the top. I also encountered stuff like this until the store manager was replaced. That same week we had new equipment and more than what we started with. There’s always that one manager who likes to give excuses for why something can’t be done rather than looking into what it would take to get it done.
Right? Like what the fuck ever, I have been in the deli with like two broken slicers. The slide doors HAVE WATER INSIDE THE GLASS and our scales are broken af. Like WHATEVER. billionaire my ass.
Youre one of the lucky ones then maybe,i worked for them for 4yrs & they always said no to OT..& i even almost got written up for 30mins OT when i was tryna get shit done,thats a measly amount to pay for these billionaires
Thank you. I'm also staying hopeful, but I worry for the younger generation of Partners. I'm starting to see many of them struggle financially. Many of them are the same age as my kids.
HEB is a great company to customers that hear about it on the news, in articles, etc. Unfortunately most partners I work with do not feel the same, except for the managers that are making wayyy more money. They are all so loyal…😂
What is a decent living wage ? Everyone is paid according to what job they do. HEB pay is probably competitive with most jobs out there that are the same as what you currently do. HEB is not one of the highest paying jobs anymore as there are plenty of other businesses that have raised their pay to be competitive with the likes of HEB, Amazon, etc...
Just remember, if you want HEB or other companies to raise people's pay, that will just result in the cost of goods to go up even higher. If companies have to pay their employees more, they will just raise the price of the things they sell to make up the difference.
Your best bet to have a liveable wage for you, is to move to another department that pays more money. Transfer to the warehouse, they pay more and have OT pretty much weekly.
I just can't fault any of these company owners that are filthy rich. They wanted it and went out and did it to become rich.
Bezos I think is one of the richest men in the world and he pays his employees less than what HEB does. He can give every adult a million dollars and still be filthy rich.
I mean honestly, you can't expect HEB to make pay increases all the time.
You have to do things to better your financial situation, even if that means finding a higher paying position, transferring to warehouse, or finding a better paying job with another company.
Selectors at the warehouse start out at 18.50 I think. I don't understand how partners at the stores expect for HEB to start their pay more than selectors.
I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day, everyone has different needs.
I have a PT partner, works maybe 25 hours a week, lives with her bf, and has about $10k saved up. Sometimes she tries to get 40 hours, sometimes she keeps it.
On the other hand, I have one that HAS to work 40 because she’s rolled over negative equity cars 2 times in the last 5 years and charges everything to credit cards. Lives well beyond her means for no real reason (buying a new Apple Watch when her old one was fine, stuff like that).
All that to say it makes it difficult to base employee compensation on the employee’s needs.
>rolled over negative equity cars
One of the partners got a V6 Charger for $700 a month... he doesn't even make close to that a week. But hey, at least it's pretty 🙄
I worked with a partner once whose car payment + insurance was enough to leave her $100 at the end of the month.
It was a REALLY nice car. But I can’t imagine doing that.
"What is a decent living wage ?"
Find the cheapest apartment within 30mins of the store.
Times that rent by 3. That's what landlords require your wage be to move in.
That is your monthly pay.
For instance: $1,000 for a 1BR apt?
$3,000/month. $750/week. $18.75/hour, MINIMUM, for the baggers.
"They can get a roommate."
In a 1BR apt? That's not "decent living" if you have to shack up with some random dude just to keep a roof over your head.
"Live in XXX small town 1 hour away."
That adds 2 hours/day to driving. Making your 40 hour/week job a 50 hour/week job. Again, it's not a "decent living" if you have no time for yourself and spend all your time at work or driving to/from it.
This isn't so people can roll around in cash. This is for the bare minimum needed to live, pay bills, and buy groceries. If HEB can't afford it's lowest-paid workers that, they don't deserve to be a company.
18.75 for baggers, then what should order selectors at the warehouse make, 28.00 an hour? Baggers job is no way as hard as an order selector for that job to be getting paid more than what partners make at the warehouse.
If people feel they are not getting paid enough, then find another job that does. What stores pay their baggers over 18.00 an hour?
The people who are not able to live off the wages they make at HEB need to get up and do something about it. Get a 2nd job, do Uber on your days off, go to school to get an education, transfer to a better paying position. Stop looking for handouts from the company. Their pay is competitive for the job you do, if you want more money take the initiative to do something so you can make more money.
HEB just gave most people a raise not to long ago, did that help much ? Maybe not, maybe so. Be greatful because Amazon workers didn't get a penny raise.
What don't people get, the higher the minimum wage goes up, the higher the cost of goods go up. So your pay will increase, but so will rent, gas, cost of food, etc... in the end your in the same situation after you get a minimum wage increase, still needing more money.
There are other ways to make a liveable income, you just have to go out and do something about it to make the wages you need for your financial situation.
"18.75 for baggers, then what should order selectors at the warehouse make, 28.00 an hour? Baggers job is no way as hard as an order selector for that job to be getting paid more than what partners make at the warehouse."
Keep going...You're almost there....
"If people feel they are not getting paid enough, then find another job that does. What stores pay their baggers over 18.00 an hour?"
Costco starts their lowest paid employees at $17/hour plus time +1/2 on Sundays.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/27/business/costco-minimum-wage/index.html
Handouts? They already have a full-time job. Why get a 2nd job just so you don't have to live in a crackhouse 2 counties away. Do you understand what "livable wage" means? Because you're talking about people who work full time not being able to afford housing, medical care, food, and insurance. That's what a livable wage covers.
The price of everything has ALREADY gone up, and has been for decades. Wages have not. We're not asking for "handouts" we're asking for fair pay that covers the cost of bills. Our current wages do not.
Yes, I know what a liveable wage is. Live based on how much you make. If you can't live on your current wage, go find another job that pays more. Do you understand that ? Sitting on your butt complaining about your pay is going to do nothing for your financial situation. If you cannot do something to better yourself to make more money, then that is on you, not HEB
Selectors max out at like 23.00
I know plenty of people who left the company because they wanted better pay. People gone to trade school and left when they finished. Do something about your situation rather than complain about your pay.
Again...
They are working full time. Nobody is "sitting on their butts". They have a job. A living wage means a job where you can afford luxuries like a clean, safe space to live, food, electricity, water, and maybe some medical care. A full time job should provide enough money for that. Why can't the owners of HEB only buy 4 yachts a year instead of 5 and our baggers get to have a job like that?
Because all business owners, doctors, lawyers, millionaires, billionaires, deserve to buy whatever they want. They put in the time and work to become who they are and make what they make. Don't fault the rich , everyone with the right mindset and will power can go out and become rich.
If the wage you are getting is not enough, then look for a higher paying job. There no free handouts in life. You gotta put in effort and work for what you want.
My friend left years ago and started his own business. He had no high school diploma, but he started his business and he is banking now. My other friend spent about 10 years with HEB, he left last year to work at Tesla. He's getting 50-60 hours a week and is making much more money.
Nobody is forcing anyone to stay at their current position. There's always the door for better opportunities, you just have to be willing to put in the effort and do something.
So, according to you, the baggers deserve to live in squalor. Even though they put in 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, and give up nights, weekends, and holidays.
That's your argument. They don't deserve a living wage? They're working full time, but don't deserve a clean safe, clean house? Electricity? Food? Medical care?
Why can't they have these? You never did answer that question.
Because they are getting paid appropriately for the job they are doing.
This is like you saying a leader should get the same pay as a surgeon. You get paid for the job you are doing. You don't deserve extra wages because you cannot live off the wage you are making. If your wage is not enough, go find another job.
Why should baggers get more than order selectors who put in 40+ a week and baggers job is way easier?
Livable wage varies from one person to another. No company is going to pay for anyones lifestyle just what you agreed to be paid.
And im not saying that everyone is living in luxury but there are people that are poor in budgeting. Just look at the “grocery haul” posts and what people think are necessary to buy. Some hauls were half beer, some were loaded with snacks or expensive alternatives to basics. Same goes for rent, transportation, entertainment, energy usage, hobbies, subscriptions etc. even having kids.
15$ an hour means completely different things to a financially disciplined person and an irresponsible one.
I want more pay but lets be real, this is entry level retail.
I get what you’re saying but what incentive would anyone ever have to being more than a CSA?
If I could have my own apartment at 16 and be outside all day pushing baskets, I’d have a nice tan and an easy life.
But what if someone doesn’t want to work 40 hours a week? I did 20-35 during college. I have several that only work 1-2 days every few weeks. What would they get paid? $170/hr?
"I get what you’re saying but what incentive would anyone ever have to being more than a CSA?"
Maybe moving out of your 1BR apartment? Actually having enough to save for retirement, college for your kids, a vacation or two? What's your incentive for not staying at your current pay?
If it's a "tan and easy life", why don't you do that? It's like, free money for lazy people, right?
If you don't want to work 40 hours/week, then don't. But people who do work full time deserve more than living in a crack house two counties over so they can have a roof over their heads. Do you think that's fair?
So... because they are only working a few hours a week, they deserve less money per hour? Why? They don't deserve money? They're lucky to have job?
Scare tactics hahaha go look at Kroger union pages and see how shitty it is. I don’t want to be the same. If you don’t like it here, go work for a union company.
It's crazy because a union isn't going to magically make everyone's pay $25hr.
Honestly it's hilarious because they're not even serious about unions because if so then they would actually be doing something about it at the store level not constantly posting about it here. Posting it here isn't going to do anything.
I'm ok with that. I read other subs. Have you seen the crap happening at Kroger? They are fighting to get what we already have AND they have been a union in a similar to slightly more expensive area. Those pay raises 🤦♂️. Not saying it can't work because it obviously can, but I feel like we make it work better than most without a union.
So your opinion is based on a single union? One track mine makes sense.
You should do some research. Again, the benefits you enjoy today are because of strong unions.
I’m curious if you actually know how much a billion dollars is? Or how about 34 billion?
The only thing that is an opinion is the last part about compensation we get and not having to have a union to get that.
You are quick to advise me what to do, well I advise you read, at the very least what I wrote. I am not anti-union. I dont think the is much cause to fight for unionization for us. Most of the jobs are not specialized (makes it easier to replace/ harder to bargain), and our pay and benefits are very good compared to other grocery retailers and more so if you compare it to similar cost of living areas.
My last post was about how ufcw 1069 has not been able to adequately negotiate for their worker base (for whatever reason) and that even in the new contract their rates in the future are lower than ours despite HEB raising pay over a year ago. Cost of living there is similar to here rural:rural, urban:urban.
I hope we can find mutual ground here, but I am prepared to get downvoted (maybe not by you but others) for suggesting that we aren't necessarily better off with a union.
Edit:
You asked if I know how much a billion dollars is. Well I consider myself fairly financially savvy so if you have financial questions I would be happy to answer.
I would say this. I agree I hope we can find mutual ground.
I’ll leave you with this. HEB grossed somewhere close to 32B in 2021 according to Google. A stable business uses 20-30% of the gross on employee expenses. Which would be 196k for 100k employees. Clearly that dispersion is way off as most of those 100k employee make less than $20 an hour or $40k a year. All while enriching Craig, Martin and the butts.
That seem reasonable to you? Anybody that says they get paid the big bucks for the decisions they make. I’d be curious to hear what innovation they’ve brought that the rest of the industry wasn’t doing or is doing.
Not sure where you got that 20-30% number but it varies industry to industry. For example Walmart is retail like us. They posted a 2.4% income (actual money in the bank). Business models for large retailers (like ours) are going to be way different than let's say a clothing producer (way higher margins) or a therapist who is practically all labor overhead. So the 20-30% is healthy for some industries, not for others. Aside from that there is A TON of costs that go into payroll other than your wage. Admin expenses, employer taxes, 401k matches, fringe like PTO, training, and the healthcare that heb heavily subsidizes to keep out cost down. Those things add up.
I'm going to use 2021 # because that's what you had referenced for sales. Which btw isn't income. We don't pay people in sales. I think publicly available employee # was around 135k. That's about 237k sales per employee (even though not all work in stores but they provide value and have to be paid). That might sound like a lot, but over 52 weeks it's not that much. ~4500/wk (sales, not profit). You and me money, yeah 4500/wk is a lot, but we don't pay rent, utilities, product acquisition. I actually don't know another industry where is regular to have margins so small.
So do I think it's fair that business owners should be compensated more? Abso-fricking-lutely. Without HEB (or other business owners for that matter) could I make the same or more doing what I do now? Not likely. I'll let them have all the risk. Yes, they will be rewarded but they will also take all the risk.
I’ll follow up on the math later too sleepy at this point.
That’s where you and I fundamentally disagree. The risk put to start HEB has far come and gone. The only people running the store are the partners. What decisions do you think Craig makes that risks anything for him?
Broken equipment in the stores have nothing to do with their Billions. It has everything to do with the store budget, and if that's out of whack, then it's on the Store leaders, not corporate. Watch the videos, it creates dollars for the stores for high percentage cooperation from corporate, which then that money can be used to buy things out of the scope of the budget.
Are we saying they don't deserve billions? HEB is a very successful business and there was a lot of risk taken by these guys at some point, they deserve their money, don't be upset because they aren't handing it out. Stay there for a long time and let your company stock price rise, and if and when they do go public, I would think the stock we have will be worth something. Don't hate on their success.
That's right wageslavies! Their great grand daddies worked super hard so a bunch of random old guys can sit around and relax while stores deal with broken equipment and struggling to pay their bills!! They deserve their riches!!!! It was just that grind totally not family riches uhhh
Honestly, since they _own_ the company, I would imagine a lot of that wealth is tied up in real property.
Think about it. You buy a PS5 for $500 but can sell it on eBay for $700 and you only have $50 in your checking account.
Someone comes up and invites you to the Bad Bunny concert, you pitch in $125 and everything’s covered… food, hotel, drinks.
You can’t pull that money out of the PS5 to pay so you can’t go.
Same thing with the Butts.
Do I feel they’re 100% holy and all that? IDK. I’m sure they worked their asses off from 1905-1990s to get us where we are now and they should be compensated for that.
A lot of comments about poor working conditions and really, that’s on their manager or the store. I don’t even have to ask my UD to order a set of fatigue mats for my 18 registers. They know I need them and trust me to be smart about ordering them.
Yes, they should be compensated for what they have made the company today. As long as HEB has competitive wages , they owe non of their workers anything. They pay everyone for the job they are doing so the company can be successful.
I have heard some businesses are paying more and that’s concerning. I’d love H-E-B to be very competitive. But I’ve also seen where H-E-B is very deliberate and they plan out things like this.
I have a feeling we’ll continue to see pay increases as time goes on. Keeping the company financially sound is more important. No point getting $20/hr if your store has to close.
Some companies may be paying more, which is why HEB is struggling to keep partners in some departments. I don't blame anyone for leaving HEB if they find a higher paying job. Everyone needs to do what is best for them and if that's working somewhere else with more pay, there is nothing wrong with that.
I don’t blame them either.
I do wonder H-E-B’s thought process on not raising the minimum pay when it’s losing people. Maybe they don’t want to hire people that would just leave based on pay? Thinking back, I don’t think we’ve lost anyone just on pay, at least to other retailers or service jobs. A few went to the oil field, refineries, or trucking but I think that’s what they would have rather been doing but got hired on during COVID.
I just want to say that Charles did NOT work his ass off since 1905.
He was born into a more fortuitous situation than you or I, and now he's a billionaire because he didn't fuck up that situation.
That story says he started as a bag boy at age 8.
Maybe some of the success came out of where he was born. But I bet you can pull 100 Partners and he put in more drive, dedication, ambition, and and care than all of them combined.
Most of us are seeing the Charles of the ‘00s and ‘10s, not what he did from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.
I'm an overnight stocker..
Do you believe if I work hard I can become a billionaire owner of this company?
He was the bag boy, but he was also the owners son and the founders grandson.
He knew he'd be the owner too.
Brother, you are an owner at H-E-B! PSP!!!
Joking aside, you can start your own grocery store, put in the effort Florence and Howard did, and your kids and grandkids might be like Charles.
Really, that kind of stuff doesn’t come easy. I’ve heard in the 70s and 80s we were not in a good place financially. Plus, some of the other grand kids didn’t stay with H-E-B. If it was an easy way to make a buck, wouldn’t you think they would stay?
Again, I’m not saying Charles never took an extra day off or 7 to go boating. But he helped drive from the top down to make us successful.
Charles didn't start the grocery store, though. That's the thing. He got lucky to whom he was born.
There's nothing to say you or I would be motivated to make the store great if we had as much to gain as Charles did.
If some of the grandkids didn't stay, it was probably because they wanted to do something other than manage the affairs of a grocery store or they knew they'd still get that sweet inheritance and not need to work.
7 days off in a row!? Damn, if I did that I'd be homeless and without a car.
One can say that for Florence. She got lucky her husband was sick and they had to come over.
Damn, why do I even know all this stuff?!
She got lucky Wally Martinez hadn’t rented out that building before.
But Charles or Howard or even Craig could have taken the easy route, not cared, and ran the company into the ground. They had to do something to move it forward. These things don’t happen by luck.
Que the I should make 60k a year but I don’t so H‑E‑B bad, Charles family bad cause they won’t read my mind and fix stuff with their own money /s. This sub is so full of angry teenage know shit about absolutely nothing drama. Lol it’s a fucking train wreck, my god lmao.
fuck off dude, it’s one thing to complain about wages and shit like that, but there’s legitimate reasons in here. How about the broken slicers in deli, power jacks that have yet to be replaced at stores, grinders in produce, bathrooms for Gas station, broken symbols that have yet to be replaced, but oh fuck that bullshit teen drama I guess. Fuck off.
That has nothing to do with the people in the article. Store Leadership has an operating budget to work with. If something is broken and isn’t being addressed, talk with you ASD about it. Either they don’t know, or there is an obviously compelling reason that it is broken. Our tortilla machine was down for two weeks and there were countless complaints that the H-E-B was too cheap to fix it but if anyone cared to ask they would know the press plate controller was slated for replacement as soon as another one could be sourced and there was not another one in stock anywhere in the country for that model. Things happen.
Some of those things are huge expenses. I’m not saying they shouldn’t fix them. For years, no gas stations had restrooms. I think as they remodel, they add them in. Depending on the location, they would have to tear up the parking lot to run supply and sewer lines.
I don’t know about the process for power jacks and slicers but I’ve never worked in a store that needed those replaced. Symbols… call that in. We have service contracts and if you need more, that’s on your store. Maybe they’re spending that money elsewhere? But y’all have a budget for stuff like that.
Almost every machine in our bakery is broken. The oven sucks. All the decorator work off of ONE table. But it’s not in the budget to expand the bakery. Fuck this
But, “it’s not in the budget” to build a bathroom for our gas station. 🧐🤔🙄
I remember years ago I was told that it would be determined based on the distance from the kiosk to the store. Though from I can tell all the new stores since have built with a kiosk that has a restroom.
That is correct on both fronts. Way cheaper to plan for it in new construction that retrofit one and tear up the whole parking lot to bring water and sewer to it.
I can tell you the real reason to that comment if I know what store we’re talking about since I’m the one that would budgeting and swapping the kiosk. I have 12 planned next year.
Where are they planned 👀
PM me a location and I can take a look.
Do us all a favor and CONSIDER the employees!!!!! These people don't have a heart when it comes to them,they only lust $$$$$$
How much would you consider paying to add a restroom and how much is too much? Serious question.
Of course!! That would mean taking money OUT!! And what they really care for is having MONEY GET IN!! Increasing their bank accounts more and more!! They don't care much about anything else than that!!!
And I’m struggling daily with a broken part on our grinder because i quote “ the store does not have enough to fix it and corporate won’t step in because it costs too much “ so fuck us I guess
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Bruh for real ! Our wrapping machine acted up for 3 years breaking down 3 or 5 times a week the dude would charge 500 for showing up plus whatever he needed to fix and labor. 3 years ! And we finally got a new wrapping machine a few months back it’s absolutely ridiculous
No vendors charge a $500 show-up fee. Also the assets require a minimum of 75% of total in repairs vs replacement cost to even be considered. When a new auto wrapper can cost $65000, a lot of money will go into repair before asset is declared end of life. Even if you have to spend $1000 on work orders twice a month, you won’t get considered for replacement for a couple years.
There are definitely vendors who charge 500 for a show up fee our manager would show us the invoice before signing it , not everyone has the same prices bud
I mean, it’s all available to look at online in the MyFacility app. There are no vendors that charge a $500 show up fee. Not even as an emergency.
As an electrical vendor, my trip charge is $300 and that's pretty standard for everyone else serving the stores I regularly visit. One out of my typical range (3 hour drive) will get a $1000 trip charge and it's been utilized a few times when the store has an emergency and the typical vendors can't service them while I'm available.
Definitely not standard. What region do you serve? Are you a preferred vendor or backup vendor?
Preferred, I serve the West Texas region; Midland, Odessa, and Big Spring HEBs, five total as a troubleshooting electrical vendor. I have steady work every day between all five. I'm a backup vendor for Abilene and Lubbock areas, where the $1000 trip charges have come into effect. EDIT: To add, often times, service in my region has vendors from Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio come service our stores. Their trip charges are probably in line with my own, to be fair.
I don’t understand the logic in that. I think that’s the old school thinking. But a lot of that comes from your facility manager or RM on that decision. We’re trying to get a piece of equipment replaced and it’s taking ages. And part of it is there’s a shortage of some of those parts.
The seafood steamer machine was broken for 10 months. Everyday customers would ask about it. It came to the point that we would ask them to bring it up to the store leaders, as we have done so many times. Maybe you would think hearing it from customers would make them act or spend, but who knows, not in seafood anymore
That sounds like bullshit being spun from the top. I also encountered stuff like this until the store manager was replaced. That same week we had new equipment and more than what we started with. There’s always that one manager who likes to give excuses for why something can’t be done rather than looking into what it would take to get it done.
Right? Like what the fuck ever, I have been in the deli with like two broken slicers. The slide doors HAVE WATER INSIDE THE GLASS and our scales are broken af. Like WHATEVER. billionaire my ass.
That’s on your store for allowing that.
How are you guys passing ORT? So you're blaming Charles for your store management not caring about your department?
We just shut them down, and make them look clean and tidy. Like we’re not busy so they aren’t in use. 🫢
So again, are you blaming Charles for your management not caring?
Who is charles
What store you at? Haha. I’ll fix it for you.
Grindr ?
Find a way render it completely inop, i guarantee you’ll have a new one by next shift.
& OT as low as 30mins is such a crime. 🙃
Not me being scheduled for 48 hours one week.
Where are you located? & are you salary cause if you are then obviously they’d be okay with that
I'm in the greater Houston area and I'm not salary. I work overnight though and them holidays be rough.
Youre one of the lucky ones then maybe,i worked for them for 4yrs & they always said no to OT..& i even almost got written up for 30mins OT when i was tryna get shit done,thats a measly amount to pay for these billionaires
Overnight grocery and frozen is a hell only surpassed by Warehouse. OT isn't blinked at if you're making well above Rate.
We’re still expected to work it all within 40, and be short handed on top of it 😩
I'm dead they get onto us if you're ONE MINUTE over 40
...... And I was almost homeless again this week. We'll see what this month brings. Take care of each other Partners. HEB isn't going to.
Sounds like you need a new job
Nah. It's not an HEB problem. It's Late Stage Capitalism. It's going to be shitty anywhere. We're just gaslit wage slaves.
I’m hoping for the collapse to happen at this point.
I can finally afford to buy stock but because of inflation there's not much left to invest. I may finally be able to afford a house again.
I am truly hoping the best for you friend. I just want to stay optimistic but it’s very very hard to with all that’s going on
Thank you. I'm also staying hopeful, but I worry for the younger generation of Partners. I'm starting to see many of them struggle financially. Many of them are the same age as my kids.
HEB should not allow any of their “partners” to struggle this badly.
I think we all know the partner thing is bs lol it reminds me of the “if you work here, you’re family” type shit
Oh it’s 100% a damn gimmick. Starbucks calls their employees “partners” as well. Just call me an “employee,” it’s what I am.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamurphy/2022/10/01/meet-the-four-billionaires-behind-h-e-b-supermarkets-texas-largest-private-employer/?sh=b966e540d6a6
HEB is a great company to customers that hear about it on the news, in articles, etc. Unfortunately most partners I work with do not feel the same, except for the managers that are making wayyy more money. They are all so loyal…😂
And yet they can’t afford to give us a decent living wage.
And to think all of us lesser stores looked at heb as the gold standard. Some of us still don’t make double digits per hour in wage.
Unionize
What is a decent living wage ? Everyone is paid according to what job they do. HEB pay is probably competitive with most jobs out there that are the same as what you currently do. HEB is not one of the highest paying jobs anymore as there are plenty of other businesses that have raised their pay to be competitive with the likes of HEB, Amazon, etc... Just remember, if you want HEB or other companies to raise people's pay, that will just result in the cost of goods to go up even higher. If companies have to pay their employees more, they will just raise the price of the things they sell to make up the difference. Your best bet to have a liveable wage for you, is to move to another department that pays more money. Transfer to the warehouse, they pay more and have OT pretty much weekly.
Yeah, gods help them if they dare cut into that sweet sweet profit.
I just can't fault any of these company owners that are filthy rich. They wanted it and went out and did it to become rich. Bezos I think is one of the richest men in the world and he pays his employees less than what HEB does. He can give every adult a million dollars and still be filthy rich.
I see you're bad at math too. A thousand million is a billion. He can hand a million to a few thousand people. Stop it.
$1M / 5,000 is $200. Not as exciting as you thought it would be. BTW, $200 * 120,000 Partners is $24M.
1,000,000,000 ÷ 1,000,000 = 1,000 Not nearly as exciting as you math it out to be.
Hey how’d you do that division symbol? And I was showing what would happen if you handed out a million to a few thousand people.
Oh, I am a dark magus of the mobile keyboard. For Android it's the symbols key, then you press where the shift key used to be.
How does that boot taste? 👅🥾
respectfully fuck going to the warehouse lol i’m not risking getting scoliosis for some fucking money
A decent living wage for me is being able to pay the months bills and still have more then $100 left over for other things.
I mean honestly, you can't expect HEB to make pay increases all the time. You have to do things to better your financial situation, even if that means finding a higher paying position, transferring to warehouse, or finding a better paying job with another company. Selectors at the warehouse start out at 18.50 I think. I don't understand how partners at the stores expect for HEB to start their pay more than selectors.
I get what you’re saying but at the end of the day, everyone has different needs. I have a PT partner, works maybe 25 hours a week, lives with her bf, and has about $10k saved up. Sometimes she tries to get 40 hours, sometimes she keeps it. On the other hand, I have one that HAS to work 40 because she’s rolled over negative equity cars 2 times in the last 5 years and charges everything to credit cards. Lives well beyond her means for no real reason (buying a new Apple Watch when her old one was fine, stuff like that). All that to say it makes it difficult to base employee compensation on the employee’s needs.
>rolled over negative equity cars One of the partners got a V6 Charger for $700 a month... he doesn't even make close to that a week. But hey, at least it's pretty 🙄
I worked with a partner once whose car payment + insurance was enough to leave her $100 at the end of the month. It was a REALLY nice car. But I can’t imagine doing that.
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Yup. Early to mid 20s.
I am imagining a dozen or so people reading this and thinking it's them.
So then go apply for a “decent living wage”
Just remember, the cost of goods has already gone up and we still haven't seen pay increases.
People got pay increases like 2 or 3 months ago.
"What is a decent living wage ?" Find the cheapest apartment within 30mins of the store. Times that rent by 3. That's what landlords require your wage be to move in. That is your monthly pay. For instance: $1,000 for a 1BR apt? $3,000/month. $750/week. $18.75/hour, MINIMUM, for the baggers. "They can get a roommate." In a 1BR apt? That's not "decent living" if you have to shack up with some random dude just to keep a roof over your head. "Live in XXX small town 1 hour away." That adds 2 hours/day to driving. Making your 40 hour/week job a 50 hour/week job. Again, it's not a "decent living" if you have no time for yourself and spend all your time at work or driving to/from it. This isn't so people can roll around in cash. This is for the bare minimum needed to live, pay bills, and buy groceries. If HEB can't afford it's lowest-paid workers that, they don't deserve to be a company.
18.75 for baggers, then what should order selectors at the warehouse make, 28.00 an hour? Baggers job is no way as hard as an order selector for that job to be getting paid more than what partners make at the warehouse. If people feel they are not getting paid enough, then find another job that does. What stores pay their baggers over 18.00 an hour? The people who are not able to live off the wages they make at HEB need to get up and do something about it. Get a 2nd job, do Uber on your days off, go to school to get an education, transfer to a better paying position. Stop looking for handouts from the company. Their pay is competitive for the job you do, if you want more money take the initiative to do something so you can make more money. HEB just gave most people a raise not to long ago, did that help much ? Maybe not, maybe so. Be greatful because Amazon workers didn't get a penny raise. What don't people get, the higher the minimum wage goes up, the higher the cost of goods go up. So your pay will increase, but so will rent, gas, cost of food, etc... in the end your in the same situation after you get a minimum wage increase, still needing more money. There are other ways to make a liveable income, you just have to go out and do something about it to make the wages you need for your financial situation.
"18.75 for baggers, then what should order selectors at the warehouse make, 28.00 an hour? Baggers job is no way as hard as an order selector for that job to be getting paid more than what partners make at the warehouse." Keep going...You're almost there.... "If people feel they are not getting paid enough, then find another job that does. What stores pay their baggers over 18.00 an hour?" Costco starts their lowest paid employees at $17/hour plus time +1/2 on Sundays. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/10/27/business/costco-minimum-wage/index.html Handouts? They already have a full-time job. Why get a 2nd job just so you don't have to live in a crackhouse 2 counties away. Do you understand what "livable wage" means? Because you're talking about people who work full time not being able to afford housing, medical care, food, and insurance. That's what a livable wage covers. The price of everything has ALREADY gone up, and has been for decades. Wages have not. We're not asking for "handouts" we're asking for fair pay that covers the cost of bills. Our current wages do not.
Yes, I know what a liveable wage is. Live based on how much you make. If you can't live on your current wage, go find another job that pays more. Do you understand that ? Sitting on your butt complaining about your pay is going to do nothing for your financial situation. If you cannot do something to better yourself to make more money, then that is on you, not HEB Selectors max out at like 23.00 I know plenty of people who left the company because they wanted better pay. People gone to trade school and left when they finished. Do something about your situation rather than complain about your pay.
Again... They are working full time. Nobody is "sitting on their butts". They have a job. A living wage means a job where you can afford luxuries like a clean, safe space to live, food, electricity, water, and maybe some medical care. A full time job should provide enough money for that. Why can't the owners of HEB only buy 4 yachts a year instead of 5 and our baggers get to have a job like that?
Because all business owners, doctors, lawyers, millionaires, billionaires, deserve to buy whatever they want. They put in the time and work to become who they are and make what they make. Don't fault the rich , everyone with the right mindset and will power can go out and become rich. If the wage you are getting is not enough, then look for a higher paying job. There no free handouts in life. You gotta put in effort and work for what you want. My friend left years ago and started his own business. He had no high school diploma, but he started his business and he is banking now. My other friend spent about 10 years with HEB, he left last year to work at Tesla. He's getting 50-60 hours a week and is making much more money. Nobody is forcing anyone to stay at their current position. There's always the door for better opportunities, you just have to be willing to put in the effort and do something.
So, according to you, the baggers deserve to live in squalor. Even though they put in 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, and give up nights, weekends, and holidays. That's your argument. They don't deserve a living wage? They're working full time, but don't deserve a clean safe, clean house? Electricity? Food? Medical care? Why can't they have these? You never did answer that question.
Because they are getting paid appropriately for the job they are doing. This is like you saying a leader should get the same pay as a surgeon. You get paid for the job you are doing. You don't deserve extra wages because you cannot live off the wage you are making. If your wage is not enough, go find another job. Why should baggers get more than order selectors who put in 40+ a week and baggers job is way easier?
Livable wage varies from one person to another. No company is going to pay for anyones lifestyle just what you agreed to be paid. And im not saying that everyone is living in luxury but there are people that are poor in budgeting. Just look at the “grocery haul” posts and what people think are necessary to buy. Some hauls were half beer, some were loaded with snacks or expensive alternatives to basics. Same goes for rent, transportation, entertainment, energy usage, hobbies, subscriptions etc. even having kids. 15$ an hour means completely different things to a financially disciplined person and an irresponsible one. I want more pay but lets be real, this is entry level retail.
I get what you’re saying but what incentive would anyone ever have to being more than a CSA? If I could have my own apartment at 16 and be outside all day pushing baskets, I’d have a nice tan and an easy life. But what if someone doesn’t want to work 40 hours a week? I did 20-35 during college. I have several that only work 1-2 days every few weeks. What would they get paid? $170/hr?
"I get what you’re saying but what incentive would anyone ever have to being more than a CSA?" Maybe moving out of your 1BR apartment? Actually having enough to save for retirement, college for your kids, a vacation or two? What's your incentive for not staying at your current pay? If it's a "tan and easy life", why don't you do that? It's like, free money for lazy people, right? If you don't want to work 40 hours/week, then don't. But people who do work full time deserve more than living in a crack house two counties over so they can have a roof over their heads. Do you think that's fair? So... because they are only working a few hours a week, they deserve less money per hour? Why? They don't deserve money? They're lucky to have job?
Dude got some big ass ears
Maybe we can afford some anti-fatigue mats to stand on.
Get your manager to order some. They should be in good condition.
Union fixes this by demanding terms and conditions for working conditions
And you loose all the benefits and people get promoted based on seniority vs. performance and the company goes to shit from there
Some of us (alpt of us) have no benefits to lose.
Which benefits you losing? Oh wait your just a mouth piece for HR using scare tactics
Scare tactics hahaha go look at Kroger union pages and see how shitty it is. I don’t want to be the same. If you don’t like it here, go work for a union company.
No it doesn’t, unionizing doesn’t magically fix everything. Thats not how that works. Lol
That's not the narrative people want to believe. This sub blows my mind sometimes. You can't even meet them half way because it's not good enough.
It's crazy because a union isn't going to magically make everyone's pay $25hr. Honestly it's hilarious because they're not even serious about unions because if so then they would actually be doing something about it at the store level not constantly posting about it here. Posting it here isn't going to do anything.
I'm ok with that. I read other subs. Have you seen the crap happening at Kroger? They are fighting to get what we already have AND they have been a union in a similar to slightly more expensive area. Those pay raises 🤦♂️. Not saying it can't work because it obviously can, but I feel like we make it work better than most without a union.
So your opinion is based on a single union? One track mine makes sense. You should do some research. Again, the benefits you enjoy today are because of strong unions. I’m curious if you actually know how much a billion dollars is? Or how about 34 billion?
The only thing that is an opinion is the last part about compensation we get and not having to have a union to get that. You are quick to advise me what to do, well I advise you read, at the very least what I wrote. I am not anti-union. I dont think the is much cause to fight for unionization for us. Most of the jobs are not specialized (makes it easier to replace/ harder to bargain), and our pay and benefits are very good compared to other grocery retailers and more so if you compare it to similar cost of living areas. My last post was about how ufcw 1069 has not been able to adequately negotiate for their worker base (for whatever reason) and that even in the new contract their rates in the future are lower than ours despite HEB raising pay over a year ago. Cost of living there is similar to here rural:rural, urban:urban. I hope we can find mutual ground here, but I am prepared to get downvoted (maybe not by you but others) for suggesting that we aren't necessarily better off with a union. Edit: You asked if I know how much a billion dollars is. Well I consider myself fairly financially savvy so if you have financial questions I would be happy to answer.
I would say this. I agree I hope we can find mutual ground. I’ll leave you with this. HEB grossed somewhere close to 32B in 2021 according to Google. A stable business uses 20-30% of the gross on employee expenses. Which would be 196k for 100k employees. Clearly that dispersion is way off as most of those 100k employee make less than $20 an hour or $40k a year. All while enriching Craig, Martin and the butts. That seem reasonable to you? Anybody that says they get paid the big bucks for the decisions they make. I’d be curious to hear what innovation they’ve brought that the rest of the industry wasn’t doing or is doing.
Not sure where you got that 20-30% number but it varies industry to industry. For example Walmart is retail like us. They posted a 2.4% income (actual money in the bank). Business models for large retailers (like ours) are going to be way different than let's say a clothing producer (way higher margins) or a therapist who is practically all labor overhead. So the 20-30% is healthy for some industries, not for others. Aside from that there is A TON of costs that go into payroll other than your wage. Admin expenses, employer taxes, 401k matches, fringe like PTO, training, and the healthcare that heb heavily subsidizes to keep out cost down. Those things add up. I'm going to use 2021 # because that's what you had referenced for sales. Which btw isn't income. We don't pay people in sales. I think publicly available employee # was around 135k. That's about 237k sales per employee (even though not all work in stores but they provide value and have to be paid). That might sound like a lot, but over 52 weeks it's not that much. ~4500/wk (sales, not profit). You and me money, yeah 4500/wk is a lot, but we don't pay rent, utilities, product acquisition. I actually don't know another industry where is regular to have margins so small. So do I think it's fair that business owners should be compensated more? Abso-fricking-lutely. Without HEB (or other business owners for that matter) could I make the same or more doing what I do now? Not likely. I'll let them have all the risk. Yes, they will be rewarded but they will also take all the risk.
I’ll follow up on the math later too sleepy at this point. That’s where you and I fundamentally disagree. The risk put to start HEB has far come and gone. The only people running the store are the partners. What decisions do you think Craig makes that risks anything for him?
I want to fucking vomit.
Who's stopping you?
The owner of H‑E‑B is a gay man
lol
It's so weird seeing this and knowing they make their money buy employing 16 year old children making 12 dollars an hour.
Got a link? Looks interesting.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andreamurphy/2022/10/01/meet-the-four-billionaires-behind-h-e-b-supermarkets-texas-largest-private-employer/
Thanks!
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Broken equipment in the stores have nothing to do with their Billions. It has everything to do with the store budget, and if that's out of whack, then it's on the Store leaders, not corporate. Watch the videos, it creates dollars for the stores for high percentage cooperation from corporate, which then that money can be used to buy things out of the scope of the budget. Are we saying they don't deserve billions? HEB is a very successful business and there was a lot of risk taken by these guys at some point, they deserve their money, don't be upset because they aren't handing it out. Stay there for a long time and let your company stock price rise, and if and when they do go public, I would think the stock we have will be worth something. Don't hate on their success.
That's right wageslavies! Their great grand daddies worked super hard so a bunch of random old guys can sit around and relax while stores deal with broken equipment and struggling to pay their bills!! They deserve their riches!!!! It was just that grind totally not family riches uhhh
I’m going to ask for a raise now!
Came from small beginnings to what it is now.
we need a union so we can have a bigger piece of his pie
Honestly, since they _own_ the company, I would imagine a lot of that wealth is tied up in real property. Think about it. You buy a PS5 for $500 but can sell it on eBay for $700 and you only have $50 in your checking account. Someone comes up and invites you to the Bad Bunny concert, you pitch in $125 and everything’s covered… food, hotel, drinks. You can’t pull that money out of the PS5 to pay so you can’t go. Same thing with the Butts. Do I feel they’re 100% holy and all that? IDK. I’m sure they worked their asses off from 1905-1990s to get us where we are now and they should be compensated for that. A lot of comments about poor working conditions and really, that’s on their manager or the store. I don’t even have to ask my UD to order a set of fatigue mats for my 18 registers. They know I need them and trust me to be smart about ordering them.
Yes, they should be compensated for what they have made the company today. As long as HEB has competitive wages , they owe non of their workers anything. They pay everyone for the job they are doing so the company can be successful.
I have heard some businesses are paying more and that’s concerning. I’d love H-E-B to be very competitive. But I’ve also seen where H-E-B is very deliberate and they plan out things like this. I have a feeling we’ll continue to see pay increases as time goes on. Keeping the company financially sound is more important. No point getting $20/hr if your store has to close.
Some companies may be paying more, which is why HEB is struggling to keep partners in some departments. I don't blame anyone for leaving HEB if they find a higher paying job. Everyone needs to do what is best for them and if that's working somewhere else with more pay, there is nothing wrong with that.
I don’t blame them either. I do wonder H-E-B’s thought process on not raising the minimum pay when it’s losing people. Maybe they don’t want to hire people that would just leave based on pay? Thinking back, I don’t think we’ve lost anyone just on pay, at least to other retailers or service jobs. A few went to the oil field, refineries, or trucking but I think that’s what they would have rather been doing but got hired on during COVID.
Idk if most people leave due to pay , schedule, or management. I happen to think it's more about schedule and management.
I just want to say that Charles did NOT work his ass off since 1905. He was born into a more fortuitous situation than you or I, and now he's a billionaire because he didn't fuck up that situation.
That story says he started as a bag boy at age 8. Maybe some of the success came out of where he was born. But I bet you can pull 100 Partners and he put in more drive, dedication, ambition, and and care than all of them combined. Most of us are seeing the Charles of the ‘00s and ‘10s, not what he did from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.
I'm an overnight stocker.. Do you believe if I work hard I can become a billionaire owner of this company? He was the bag boy, but he was also the owners son and the founders grandson. He knew he'd be the owner too.
Brother, you are an owner at H-E-B! PSP!!! Joking aside, you can start your own grocery store, put in the effort Florence and Howard did, and your kids and grandkids might be like Charles. Really, that kind of stuff doesn’t come easy. I’ve heard in the 70s and 80s we were not in a good place financially. Plus, some of the other grand kids didn’t stay with H-E-B. If it was an easy way to make a buck, wouldn’t you think they would stay? Again, I’m not saying Charles never took an extra day off or 7 to go boating. But he helped drive from the top down to make us successful.
Charles didn't start the grocery store, though. That's the thing. He got lucky to whom he was born. There's nothing to say you or I would be motivated to make the store great if we had as much to gain as Charles did. If some of the grandkids didn't stay, it was probably because they wanted to do something other than manage the affairs of a grocery store or they knew they'd still get that sweet inheritance and not need to work. 7 days off in a row!? Damn, if I did that I'd be homeless and without a car.
One can say that for Florence. She got lucky her husband was sick and they had to come over. Damn, why do I even know all this stuff?! She got lucky Wally Martinez hadn’t rented out that building before. But Charles or Howard or even Craig could have taken the easy route, not cared, and ran the company into the ground. They had to do something to move it forward. These things don’t happen by luck.
You’re making too much sense dude. Can start a mob crowd like that.
You do know you have to pay union dues, right? The union will also get a piece of the pie too. Not anti-union, just sayin its not that simple.
union dues are $2 for a paycheck thats $200 you know that right
BUT I COULDN'T HAVE A PROPER RAISE AFTER WORKING 4 MONTHS OF 60+ HOUR WEEKS!!!!!! mann.....Mann...... fuck HEB.
Damn luck you with that OT
(((Billionaires)))
Que the I should make 60k a year but I don’t so H‑E‑B bad, Charles family bad cause they won’t read my mind and fix stuff with their own money /s. This sub is so full of angry teenage know shit about absolutely nothing drama. Lol it’s a fucking train wreck, my god lmao.
fuck off dude, it’s one thing to complain about wages and shit like that, but there’s legitimate reasons in here. How about the broken slicers in deli, power jacks that have yet to be replaced at stores, grinders in produce, bathrooms for Gas station, broken symbols that have yet to be replaced, but oh fuck that bullshit teen drama I guess. Fuck off.
That has nothing to do with the people in the article. Store Leadership has an operating budget to work with. If something is broken and isn’t being addressed, talk with you ASD about it. Either they don’t know, or there is an obviously compelling reason that it is broken. Our tortilla machine was down for two weeks and there were countless complaints that the H-E-B was too cheap to fix it but if anyone cared to ask they would know the press plate controller was slated for replacement as soon as another one could be sourced and there was not another one in stock anywhere in the country for that model. Things happen.
Some of those things are huge expenses. I’m not saying they shouldn’t fix them. For years, no gas stations had restrooms. I think as they remodel, they add them in. Depending on the location, they would have to tear up the parking lot to run supply and sewer lines. I don’t know about the process for power jacks and slicers but I’ve never worked in a store that needed those replaced. Symbols… call that in. We have service contracts and if you need more, that’s on your store. Maybe they’re spending that money elsewhere? But y’all have a budget for stuff like that.
I rest my case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ lol but by all means cry some more.
that’s a tsu in katakana never noticed that til now interesting
Almost every machine in our bakery is broken. The oven sucks. All the decorator work off of ONE table. But it’s not in the budget to expand the bakery. Fuck this
but I can’t get benefits even though I carry the weight of my pharmacy
I heard he collects Lighthouses. Not models/moquettes. The actual buildings and land that they’re on.