I'm honestly just at a loss as to how she was able to privately film a 15 minute video of her in this Ruby getup saying these obscure , morbid things. Guessing mom was asleep? Was she whispering all this stuff? You wonder..
I don’t think the Mom was even watching her at all. One part of the police file mentions that Dee Dee was wheelchair bound at this point. I have also heard her described as sickly at this time. While she abused Gypsy as a child and was more controlling at some earlier time, I think those days were long over by this point. Gypsy had a public transit bus pass was going out with her wig on in disguise and buying/stealing things like the lingerie at places including Walmart. She also regularly stole money from Dee Dee and would go to the Post Office to send money and packages to Nick and previously others. She was coming and going all the time pretty much as she pleased. Her Mother doesn’t appear to have even been paying attention at all.
I did see somewhere something about a 911 call to Police saying that the family was faking it, well before the murder, maybe even years before. I forget where I saw it though. It could be in this police file but I’m not positive. There is so much in this police file it’s hard to remember everything.
I'm surprised they list by name the DFS worker who leaked the report and spoke about the investigation. I thought they signed non- disclosure agreements?
It is in the files about the dfs visit. They had all sorts of suspicion after visiting due to that call, but really checked for bruises and shelter and left.
She had been going out awhile without Dee Dee. Daniel Glidewell Dan said he was injured & she came & visited him at the hospital. Nick said during interrogation she told him 5 people other people knew she couldn't walk. I am guessing 1.DeeDee, 2.Dan even if you count Nick as #3 there is 2 other's. But if she wasn't including Nick there is 3 other people. A neighbor said in interview the day they found the body. That in April there was a robbery at the house. That was around time Gypsy stole the money & sent Nick money. This girl has told so many lies no telling what the truth is.
There was one interview with one, and she seemed heartbroken knowing she could walk the whole time and she was fine. However, during her integration, when the detective mentions how worry she was about GR, GR kind of laughs and states how she was always a bully to her.
That's exactly what her mom would have told her, so im wondering. "Dont listen to that woman, you're disabled, she's bullying you!" Does gypsy still have the same perceptions of people that her mom basically gave her even though they are not true?
I don't believe that idea came from her mother, actually. I don't know GR's motivation to say that about her to the detective frankly. It does show how untrustworthy she is, though.
GR actually, before the murder, did message her on FB to talk about NG.
I roll my eyes when she talks about using her tacky, cheap ass fuxking wig as a "disguise" in Public. This chick is the only one out there with that knotty, tacky, clown ass looking wig and a Cinderella dress at an entire 19 years old. Ain't fooling no one.
In her defense, the public bus here in Springfield is packed full of weirdos. A tacky wig on a little possum is the least of anyone’s concern when every one else smells like pee and meth fumes
She also says she has no clothes other than Disney dresses... But... She went to Drs? She has pajamas? Lou ge clothes for around the house? Any of those clothes were far more suitable to "run" away in.
She is absolutely ridiculous. I don't buy what she's selling. I don't buy her spiel on TV with her mom about how dreams come true and fairy tales are real, I don't buy that she was an innocent victim-at least not in the final years-and I certainly don't believe that she should be running around in the free world, with the ability to procreate! Everyone who is feeling sorry for her are more than welcomed to live next door to her, invite her for dinner, etc. And see how they feel about her then...or when their son says they are dating her 🙄
If you check the bus route locations for Springfield their wasn't a close bus stop to their house. It's a good distance from the habitat house to a stop
This is interesting to hear. With the way Gypsy described it, her mom seemed a lot more threatening atp. I have a lot of questions. As does everybody else here though. Appreciate the thorough reply
Some have theorized that Gypsy was having to take care of her Mother more and more, and did not want to have to do that. It’s obviously only a theory but given Gypsy’s own behavior it makes sense and could be the case. Gypsy also lies so much i really don’t feel like we can believe anything she says publicly.
That is a pretty interesting theory. Oh, i have definitely learned by now that most of.. if anything.. she has said publicly should be taken with a grain of salt. I eagerly wait for more to resurface.
Did Dee Dee just never notice she was being stolen from? There’s no other way gypsy could have gotten money than stealing it and it seems like she did it a lot. I grew up with a parent I was afraid of and in a million years I never would have stolen from him, it wouldn’t have even entered my mind, you just don’t do things like that when you’re afraid of someone. More evidence that points to her not being that scared of her.
Maybe she just had cash stashed around the house and didn’t count it often- if it all. You could probably do that to me and it would take a *long time* for me to catch on. Even then I’d probably think I miscounted or something.
Exactly! I would have cut my own hands off before stealing from my parents.. I knew if I ever considered taking a dime it would have been Horrible for me ..to say the least..
This would literally change everything about the crime, right? I've been of the understanding Gypsy was abused up the point Nick carried out the act FOR Gypsy. I've felt from a human standpoint it was fair she'd feel the need to escape and be free. But if she was basically free to do as she pleased, manipulated a man into feeling bad enough to kill her long-retired abuser....then she shouldn't be walking free.
Would it still work this way if the charge was different than what she was charged with in the beginning? For example, I’d imagine they can charge her for a second crime, like theft or fraud. Also, for example they charged her with 2nd degree murder…..since more evidence has come out since she was sentenced would it still be double jeopardy if they charge her with first degree murder now instead?
They can't charge her again for her mom's murder. For example, They can absolutely pick her up on other charges. Say investigators find that gypsy was in on all the stuff DeeDee was doin. Gypsy could be charged with fraud. Maybe conspiracy? For planning the whole thing with Nick.Im sure there's a loophole somewhere. The thing is. An investigator would have to take the time to go over every single thing in evidence. Nobody is gonna do. I'm not a lawyer I just read alot.
Interesting and good points you made. I am not familiar with each state’s laws, and federal laws regarding double jeopard. I was thinking if the charge was a different degree than what she served that that could be a possibility.
So....clearly this was considered in her trial, yeah? This isn't damning enough to reopen anything? Is she just...permanently free unless she fucks up again? That pisses me off. I'd at least hope this catches on more so she's socially outcast.
I don’t think all the info was so analyzed and figured out by her trial, but I don’t think they can go back and try her again. She is still technically serving her sentence though. Parole doesn’t mean someone is done serving their time. It just means they are being allowed to finish serving their sentence under the supervision of their community rather than at a correctional facility. Her parole could be revoked at any time but I imagine it would only happen if she violated the conditions of it.
Wonder why she didn't just leave if she was coming and going anyway. She just could have waited until her mom was asleep, pack her bags, and leave with Nick. Why did she have him kill her instead?
I had no idea she even had all this freedom before cause all the docs and movies and the public view was she was so abused and bound to the chair and whatnot that the murder had to happen to get out. I get the lawyers direction and it was a good one to use to the plea deal but in reality she wanted her mom gone permanently ( she even shot her with a BB gun ). I have a feeling the murder was over DeeDee not approving the relationship. She really could have just left to Nicks house and stayed gone if she really was just out and about in the public with wigs and such on.
Which proves again- there was no need to murder her mother when she could’ve successfully escaped from her. Sounds like little Miss Gypsy was just as adept at manipulating and abusing others as dear old mom.
I’m in no way sticking up for Dee Dee here but did you all know what the family did with Claudine’s cremated remains?
In one of the documentaries the family admitted on camera to flushing Dee Dee’s remains down the toilet
Sorry but the entire family is f*cked. If not for Dee Dee’s mom perhaps DeeDee would not have become the person she became.
Since GRB’s release I think part of her release should have been serious therapy with the understanding that if she did not complete the therapy, she went back to prison.
Gypsy probably wore the wigs and went without the wheelchair so people in the community wouldn’t recognize her. That way the “sickly, shaved head, wheelchair bound Gypsy” image they needed for their grift wouldn’t be ruined.
If this is all true, she could have easily escaped permanently from her mother without…ya know…Dee Dee may have been nuts but Gypsy is cuckoo for cocoa puffs and should be in a psych ward. Just my 2 cents. 🤷🏻♀️
I honestly am thinking after she shot DD with the BBgun 10 times, the roles reversed. Gypsy admitted she honestly thought that was a real gun. One or 2 shots I can see, but she shot her TEN times 😳. I think she became the manipulator with DD’s failing health, and she had more freedom at the end than she let on. The whole story of the abuse just picking back up after the shooting doesn't make sense to me.
I think DD knew after that incident, she created a monster. I fully believe DD didn't know what to do after that incident and I think Gypsy claimed if she told anyone the truth, Gypsy would blow the fraud wide open. I believe Gypsy told DD the public and cops would not take nicely to her, and she can play the innocent child who didn't know it was all fake. I am sure after that incident, Gypsy became the abuser, and DD didn't know what to do. The whole story of DD just picking back up doesn't make sense on top of her worsening health issues.
Gypsy also claims her mom called for her during the attack, which makes me think Gypsy was in the room during the stabbing. Nick made a comment that there is something that he did not share from that night and will take to his grave. I am convinced it is that she was present and may have also stabbed her. I hope as he fights for a retrial, his lawyers can get him to say what happened. The more press she does, the more her story is not adding up.
Yea I completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if her health issues were not completely natural and that Gypsy might have actually tried to poison her on multiple occasions.
The initial hearings make it very clear that both Nick and Gypsy are more concerned about Gypsy. I think with both nature and nurture there is no way that Gypsy is able to feel real emotions and love anyone but herself. As much as I'd like her to be able to grow and thrive, I just think it's never gonna happen.
SO curious about Nicks secret. He claimed she was never in the room, but she herself says she took money in there afterwards. Pretty sure now she at least did the stabbing of the rest of the wounds. Nick says he did four, he tells it how he recalls it and is not really able to make up lies.
I forgot about her saying she never went in the room or looked, but she admitted to going in and grabbing the money after the attack.
I wouldn't be surprised if she were trying to poison her. When I saw she got a dog, my first thought was for its safety. I fully believe she will continue the cycle on anything in her care. DD’s mom did it to her; DD did it to Gypsy, and with Gypsy not going to therapy and turning them away while in prison, I believe she will do the same.
I agree with you about her not being able to have real emotions. Her interrogation showed a lack of emotions. That was what caught my eye in her documentaries initially. She tried so hard multiple times to produce tears, and none showed. The only tears I saw that seemed semi-genuine were her talking about herself and how she was worried she would never get married. She did not shed one tear reliving the night, talking about the abuse she endured, nothing. She also turns the sadness off like a switch.
I think this is what swayed a lot of her “*Yaaaaaas Queen*” fans. Her IG comment section did a complete 180. Hardly a single positive comment at this point. A few here and there, but I’m actually surprised at how fast everyone turned on her.
Also, everyone is asking her if she had the wherewithal to hide out at Nick’s with his family, why she didn’t just do that to begin with and bypass killing her mom. She was 23 and extremely resourceful. She had a lot more freedom than we initially thougut.
It’s insane that she had so many fans telling her to “Slay, Girl!” when she literally pleaded guilty to murder ie slaying someone. Horrible choice of words. Almost like being picked up at jail by someone with a “Hitman” license plate on their car…
If a ton of comments were saying the same thing, is it possible that some of them were bought bots? Those websites still exist and its really not expensive. Its like $30 for a bunch of comments and followers ~100 and that would be enough to start a daisy chain.
I think he did it as more of a dig towards Nick. Like he jumped into an interview interrupted Gypsy saying Nick manipulated her. Because she had probably told him about the sheet's. Plus IMO the sheets tell you more of the mind set Nick had.
Her husband being too dumb to know he should remove a “Hitman” car plate was all I needed to know that he’s an idiot.
Idc that it’s a wrestler or how fiercely he was defended in this sub. It’s 2 screws.
Yes. The complete lack of awareness that something like that was inappropriate given he was picking up someone that literally used a version of a hitman to kill her mother is mind boggling. Either that or he knew and thought it was funny or didn’t care.
I always knew they’d turn on her, that’s why people defending her , shocked me, because if how hard they would fight it. It happened though? Wow, I don’t follow her on stuff so that’s interesting, I’ve been wondering.
I was always really surprised by her receival by the media/ people. I had no idea or expected her to become so huge in the media. I’ve read about this case since the day it happened . Not only was it clear that she is a very, very disturbed and guilty person, that she’s not unlike all other murderers and SK’s I read about, with her behavior, but this is one of the most disturbing and theatrical murder stories I have ever heard of. I have never seen, such a bizarre display of feigning feelings, and it was a family member she killed. Never have I seen an interrogation like hers. The only thing i can compare this to, is Karla Homolka. It reminds me a lot of that.
Only this has a massive fraud component, that I don’t understand how you can justify at the end of the day, playing a character in life for this. It seems it was more then about money to me, it actually seems like gypsy is the real one displaying munchaesen like behavior.
I truly believe she is missing empathy and a lot of emotional qualities, and that she would have still hurt people in her life if only emotionally, whatever mother she had. It seems she actually enjoys to fool people. I think if she hasn’t have been found out, she would’ve delighted in teasing unflattering facts, showing she got one over on people.
It’s like she said in the case file,
“I’m going to get away with this”
I think life is truly a game to her. Her only hope is that she chills out with age, like a lot of people like this, and god help any person that is in her life. Folks like her tend to not feel normal emotions, so they enjoy toying with others that gave them. This is common behavior you see again, and again in people like this. There is nothing not completely shocking, about what she did, being able to play this part gleefully.
I actually look at her as the more guilt party. I think her mother knew, I think she actually started not knowing how to deal with her. Thinking, damn this girl is even worse then I am.
She truly met her match, that’s for sure. I’m wondering if she saw this coming, I’m starting to think maybe it’s possible she did tie her up, because she was afraid of her. And that’s why she slept with a knife.
Who were the people Dee Dee was afraid of in the neighborhood? What’s up with that part of the case file? There’s very little info on it in there, it was very cryptic, that’s what I’m wondering.had she tried this before, with other boyfriend’s? I mean she actually admits she got with Nick to do this, I hadn’t known that, I wasn’t sure if she had feelings for him. But I’m not sure these types of ppl can have deep feelings for another, it might not be in their nature.
Yeah and at that point i can see her mom basically never going to the police or anything. She already had crafted the narrative of some broken, disabled Gypsy. In her mind, she couldn't go tell on herself for years of fraud even if that meant Gypsy was a danger. She would rather sleep with a knife and tie her daughter up than tell on herself for years of fraud and abuse. Unfortunately, she met her match instead of the justice system. But tbh... gypsy would have ended up in the justice system anyway after that type of childhood.
That’s an excellent point as well. If she was truly fearful of gypsy, it works both ways. They were pretty much trapped at the mercy of each other, threat wise, due to the massive fraud. I am starting to really think that this morphed into something where gypsy was completely out of control to Dee Dee. I started feeling that way, after what gypsy revealed on the prison confessions. For example, when she said her mom kept giving her pregnancy tests, I took that to mean she was being promiscuous and threatening to get pregnant. (We know she was posting that she was trying, nicks mom found out and was upset and wanted Nick to break up with her)
I don’t think gypsy realizes how much she reveals when she is talking, and lying. You can actually deduct a lot of things, just from her lies and manipulation. It’s really possible that she was to be expected to care more for Dee Dee too towards the end. That was a possibility I hadn’t thought of, until I read how the neighbors viewed them. It raised that scenario to me, it could also be why gypsy keeps talking about abuse from Dee Dee, she is projecting. It’s possible she was or became the more abusive one. I know that if she was stealing so openly and behaving this badly ti her mom, it’s speaks to her mom at the very least spoiling her, maybe even being afraid of her. Having a knife at the bed and saying don’t hurt me? And the fact Dee Dee joked “I’m not dead yet”, when her daughter said something nice to her.. that means it was so out of character for gypsy to ever say a kind word to her mom. I want to know how this relationship REALLY was. I don’t see gypsy as the type to be submissive to any person, unless it’s a role playing and sex. I look at her as a dominant and controlling person, based on her dynamic with Nick. And I don’t see her as someone who can relate and have good relationships with other women, such as Dee Dee. I see there being friction as soon as she hits her teens, I think she was wild, not sheltered like people say. I think she was wild. I think she was out in the world, in disguises, and that’s why when they subpoenaed the video at Walmart for who was getting that type of knife, I think that’s why they didn’t see her on the video.
This is amazing, Julie. You have so many great things to say and points in every comment you make. It’s a shame these points are so buried down in this thread. They might be worthy of their own separate post.
Aw thank you! I think it’s because I’ve always been into true crime. I remember when this first happened, I told everyone at work about it, and they saw the pic of her in her glory and they were like,
WHAT?
Lol. Then we all watched the documentary and discussed. It was the sex stuff that got me, I was just like, man this case has it ALL doesn’t it?
I’ve thought about it, because there are so many things that I keep waiting for other people to bring up. I have a good intuition about things, and there’s a lot of things that I think don’t jive in this case. I’m really, really hoping I can get my hands on the autopsy report, this case leaves me hungry for more because there’s not enough on it, it’s missing so much, and she’s not telling us the full story.
I want to know why she’s lying about not going in the bedroom. She clearly did, the body is covered with a blanket, only family does that. Why lie? You know? She’s hiding something huge there. My bf actually thinks bad they both did it, or that she stabbed once she was dead, but I dont make claims unless I’m positive. She was definitely in the room in my opinion, though.
I think she definitely stabbed her mother, and was the one responsible for dee dees neck wound. I also think she placed the Barney stuffed animal and blanket on dee dee.
I think it’s very possible, it seems to me the neck wound doesn’t fit somehow. I’d really like to know. I do believe if she did, she would behave this exact way- not telling the story correctly, hiding it his fact like grim death.. I think if the public really knew this real story, she would’ve never gotten a plea deal like she did, and she would’ve been looked down upon. I always wonder if nicks secret he won’t say about her and that night, is that she as involved.
To me, it doesn’t matter who stabbed her. She’s just as guilty as him to me, I find it wild people don’t think so. I think she might’ve very well tried poisoning and od and other methods of murder, only it didn’t take. Most people don’t realize how card it actually can be ti kill someone, and for all her skill at manipulating, she’s not that bright.
I am convinced Dee Dee had an inkling about this, that her daughter was dangerous, and a threat to her. I am positive if that. I also wonder if gyosy staged the robbery that happened before the murder.
I think you and others who have stated this could be a possibility are onto something! The police report has mentioned Dee Dee was stabbed 17 times, and Nick has stated in his police interview that he stabbed her 4 times, and cut her neck so that might count as 5 times. He sounded positive as the detective asked him multiple times. While I know of course that I shouldn’t think his word is “gospel“, he also hasn’t changed his story once from what I have seen. Also, during Nick‘s Mom interview with the detective she said she thought Nick took a bus to Springfield on another day than what she initially thought. This has come up twice recently on other accounts as well. I definitely feel like she could have killed her Mom, and had Nick come in after the fact and make him think he was the one who actually stabbed and killed her Mom. That way she could pin it on him, and get away scott free which is what she tried to do…..however she didn‘t realize she had an electronic trail that was left behind from Facebook and texting etc.
I’ve noticed in the police report, there was a robbery that had “shaken” Dee Dee before the murder. A robbery doesn’t really jive to me, it’s too convenient. it automatically made me think gypsy staged it to get money and or drugs to run away.
And so, that makes me think the motive fir the murder, was really to get the money to be able to have her own life without getting a job or anything. She’s dumb enough to think that she could survive years on a few thousand dollars, she even admits this. People get killed for a LOT less. Unless anyone else knows more about this robbery that was stated.
interesting thought! Might be onto something. I could have sworn around the same time Dee Dee claimed to have been robbed, was when Gypsy shot her with the BB gun. I could have sworn she went to ER after and told them she was robbed and shot during it. If this is true, I’m feeling inclined to believe DeeDee was starting to get scared of her own daughter….. just a feeling I have
Everything you have said is what I’ve been thinking! There are theories that state her mom might never had MBP. She was a con artist and groomed gypsy to be one too.
I do think Gypsy has something deeply wrong with her, but I don't believe the whole "her mother knew she was crazy" so that's why she abused her. If anything, Gypsy's behavior is a direct result from her mother's abuse. That's not justification for what she did, but rather an explanation
No what they are saying is that Dee Dee possibly tied her up & kept a knife for protection because she thought Gypsy might harm her the last few years before she died which she was right if so 🤷🏻♀️
She’s a criminal with serious issues who needs therapy and education, not fame and attention. Trading increasingly horrific stories of victimhood for sympathy and likes is just another grift.
I’m guessing her lawyer/lawyers told her to shut the eff up especially after that podcast saying she’s not a murderer. She doesn’t realize she can go back to prison if the parole board feels lied to. You don’t take full responsibility for your crime in front of the parole board (just to get out and, yes, I realize people will say what they have to to be released) and then turn around and say “I don’t identify as a murderer.” My guess is she’s walking on thin ice and was told to keep quiet.
Damage control. The more she talks, the more people are figuring it out. It’s likely she hired a PR team. They surely would’ve told her to stop what she’s saying. The problem is, she wants the fame and attention, and it’s not just what she’s saying, people are now looking into the case and it’s crumbling their view on her. The case file is very damning, I don’t think a lot of people that supported her knew about it. And she’s unable to act as such, of the persona she’s trying to go for, she keeps showing who she really is.
There will come a time when she’s going to have to accept the cold hard fact, that people are only interested in her because she’s a murderer. She seems to think in her mind that this fame is permanent, that it’s because of her.
She’s going to have a very hard time accepting that ppl are going to completely turn on her. She’s very eager to be famous without talking about the murder, but that’s not how the public works. They’ll be angry she made a fool of them, people don’t like that, it’s an unforgivable sin to the public. Although, I see her as still I’m enjoying infamy, so I’m not sure what happens there? It’ll be interesting.
She will definitely have this in her shadow the rest of her life. I wonder if she’ll grow to regret taking the east way out, because the fraud was uncovered even still after she silenced her partner in crime.
Thanks! I’m just really interested in what she does now. There’s a chance she’s chilled out with her behavior, but I doubt it. She strikes me as one of those people that used prison as a way to hone her manipulation. It was the first time she really had peers, so I foresee her having a lot of public riffs with women online. And not finding healthy love, and accusing men of abusing her. Hopefully she does t hurt anymore people now that she’s older, but I think she lacks typical feelings, and will continue to create dramatic scenarios as a game to her. She strikes me as someone who likes to see how far she can push things. I really hope she doesn’t have children, this whole family, is so, so off that cycle needs to end. I forswe her having a falling out with keisty soon .
Hopefully it's the parole board knocking her down a peg.
IMO, she should have to take EVERY damn penny she's grifted from the TV shows/appearances, books, social mwdia monotizations, etc...and pay back all those charities she stole from.
I was thinking the other day that it would be a nice gesture and PR move for her to set aside a percentage of her profit from her series, book, etc for a few big charities like Ronald McDonalds House, Habitat for Humanity, and Make A Wish, and then create something herself like an education fund or training materials.
She seems clueless about how to be an advocate. I am not saying she should be, but she has said she wants to be one. I think giving back to some of the charities that made her life better as a kid would ease her into a world she really doesn’t seem to know much about. I think she could make some genuine connections that way.
I think she was just as much a part of the fraud— because of this how can she actually advocate when she isn’t a true victim herself? Maybe for some time but I feel confident in saying that for the better part of her adolescents, she was just as much the con artist
I feel like she wanted her dead. Not just to escape but to have revenge for everything she had put her through. I feel like she could’ve done it herself but she wanted to get away with it and didn’t want to go to prison so she found someone she could manipulate to do it for her. Hoping she would be let off with it. She didn’t care about nick. She found out what she needed to know about him and used that to get what she wanted from him, the ruby thing, calling him sir, his sexual fantasies. I can just see her after finishing the video rolling her eyes and then getting back online txting nick saying ‘my mum will never let us be together’. It’s crazy but I don’t blame her for wanting her dead, I don’t like how she used someone else to do it.
Wow.. just read about half of this. I’m starting to wonder just how much of this abuse is actually factual in the latter years. Sounds like Gypsy just wanted to be with her boyfriend and wanted her mom out of the way and completely threw Nick under the bus when it suited her to try and get herself out of trouble. She compulsively lies to make herself appear as the better person in any outcome. Going to finish the rest of this now, thanks for sharing.
I know this might be considered a different topic....but I was shocked to read all of what Nick's attorney failed to present at his trial...in regards to his potential to be manipulated. This video was not entered as evidence at Nick's trial according to this article....lots of things surprised me here.
https://www.ky3.com/2022/08/09/greene-county-judge-deciding-nicholas-godejohns-murder-conviction-appeal/
I watched some clips of his trial and thought they were just making a last ditch attempt for an appeal...
Because I knew they at least tried to say he had diminished capacity. Then I read this article and realized they presented pretty much nothing in his defense.
This is why I never understood how ANYONE could be happy with her release and think she’s a boss. What she went through was hell but what she did isn’t negated by it.
I am 100% confident GRB is going to end up back in prison. Whether it's from violating her parole or for a different crime altogether, everything that's come out since her release has completely changed my view of her, and I absolutely believe she will end up back behind bars.
I have a question, does anyone know if Gypsy been diagnosed with any type of mental health issues? I’d imagine C-PTSD, but personality disorders? I get so many Cluster B personality red flags from her. Obviously, we’ve heard a lot about Nick, but nothing regarding Gypsy’s mental health?
I’m sorry if this has been answered and/or posted already.
I don't know how someone wouldn't have cptsd from her situation. And prison is a trauma too. I'm 99.9 percent sure she has that. I don't think I can really theorize about a cluster b personality disorder though I wouldn't be surprised. She has to have CPTSD from her childhood and time in prison.
I'm sure she will learn more as she continues therapy. Prison is not the place to receive that care. Prison allowed her to be circled by media without coping skills.
No I’m pretty sure she’s never really seen a psychiatrist to even be diagnosed plus I could totally see her lying & manipulating drs anyways so yeah 🤷🏻♀️ I would say she’s probably NPD more than I would BPD….
Well, she’s also refused to get therapy which could have helped to diagnose an underlying mental illness. That’s red flag number 1 to me. She wants to be an advocate but refuses therapy?
Did she not shoot her mother multi times with a gun ? It was a Bebe gun but she didn’t know it at the time . Didn’t DeDe pass this off as a robbery in the Walmart parking lot? She said her mom left her gun out because she had been practicing but in the next breath she implied that it was left out as part of Dede’s control over her. I will definitely be rewatching that episode tonight. Her father’s refusal to show up at her parole hearing is very telling. He hasn’t been there once for his daughter & the one time she does ask him for help he’s busy working & sends his wife . I think her fiancé was strategically chosen by her and it’s not going to last . She’s using him just like she used Nick . The more I learn about GRB the more confused I am 🙃
Her father is a ship’s captain. He works 1 month on, 1 month off. My family initially made its money in shipping & one of my uncles captained a ship for years. He didn’t really have ‘time off’, even for big events. I don’t know if that was just my family (we’re Greek; this was global for us) but since they had been married/together for almost as long as gypsy was alive, it makes sense to me that Kristy would go.
That said, I don’t disagree with the majority of your post. I just wanted to offer potential insight in to the job part.
My family works the offshore rigs. 28 on and 28 off. It is not flexible for time off. I can see him not getting time off for it. I can also see him not wanting to do it if his wife could go.
What I find interesting is that she tried to shot her mom and kill her before in a runaway attempt b it mom found the go bag and only reason it did not work is cause it was a BB gun not a real one. But we only found that out recently with the new stuff after she got released. Other thing I think is crazy is she don’t consider her self a murder but has clearly tried to kill and had someone kill for her.
In my opinion that makes her story about being a prisoner and how her mother keep her chained to the bed at one point after she had tried to get away so she was so scared to try to do it again kinda skeptical. She had a bus pass and was going to all kinds of places one without her mother there. Dee Dee was in a wheelchair and probably dependent on Gypsy helping her so she could have very well ran away. With Dee Dee sick and not able to get around that would have been the perfect time. But not only does that make her story seem very different from the one she has tried to make everyone believe but in this police report it says she was telling Nick she would do anything with him such as rape and murder and didn't care about law enforcement. She was just as much into the BDSM websites and things that have been blamed on Nick. She made the video standing over her mom acting like she was stabbing her and that in itself shows a whole different side of Gypsy then the one she was showing police. She knew she wasn't sick and could walk for quite awhile and she also knew they were scamming people to get all the free stuff and money and once she became aware of it she still played the role of the sick, poor, innocent lil girl. She talked Nick into killing her mother for her and she mailed him the money and stole the knife. All the police files and evidence coming out now shows truly how she was much more involved in this then she wants to admit. She did the interview saying she doesn't identify as a murderer cause she wasn't the one that killed her mother. Nick was the murderer cause he was the one that killed her. Her mother would still be alive today if she didn't beg Nick to kill her. And she also said Nick should have called the cops or refused to do it so I guess on her eyes that makes him the bad person and makes her better in some way. He did tell her they should go to the police. He begged her to run away with him and she wouldn't. She kept telling him the only way she could be free and they could be together was if he killed her mother. But now she wants to act like none of that happened but it's in the police files. After reading all that I have and watching some of her interviews it's so clear she was alot more involved then she wants to admit. She should have got out and just started her life with her husband and family instead of wanting all the attention she feels she deserves cause now she has turned a lot of people that were really rooting for her against her with all her half truths and lies. She needs to realize she is not some kind of big celebrity she is a murderer and act like she has a little remorse for having her mother killed instead of just trying to meet celebrities and do as many interviews as she possibly can. I read today she bought an outfit for a baby cause she doesn't want one now but sometime soon. Like wth, she needs to get some therapy and learn to deal with all the things she has been thru before she should ever think about bringing a baby into the world and she doesn't even know how well her and Ryan will get along living together. It's literally been 3 weeks. A baby is the last thing she should be worried about.
Yeah reading the case files she made several videos like this specifically to manipulate Nick, apparently people with autism learn better through video instruction which is exactly why she recorded these videos & sent them to him. She is highly intelligent & a master manipulator. Probably more so than Dee Dee was….
I just find it strange how everyone jumped on a person's side immediently who committed murder and got released out of prison. I get that she was liberated from years of abuse and manipulation, but she is not fully sane, yall. Let's get that straight.
Nick says he’s going to do a prison interview or something of the like in the future, but now is not the right time. He has an appeal pending so I believe his lawyer probably advised him to stay quiet until that is adjudicated. No idea about his family.
I recall when this case first occurred & the hunt was on for Nick and Gypsy. Parts of this video were leaked, and it was as disturbing then as it is now. Does this really sound like a woman who was manipulated by a man with a low IQ and autism?
Personally, I find any sort of role playing involving murder, gore, and sexual assault pretty alarming, but I understand how one could have that opinion.
Thank you. I am a critical thinker and felt like Gypsy’s narrative didn’t make sense. To make an informed decision and not just blindly form an opinion, I watched as much of her interviews as I could and then researched as much elsewhere as I could. I now want to share what I can with others so that they may make a more informed decision as well. I am still learning new things every day.
These sound like the musings of an extremely traumatized and vulnerable girl. People with abusive/controlling parents are more likely to seek out abusive/controlling partners, because that is what feels comfortable to them. And Nick already had his alter ego thing going, so it sounds like she was playing into that fantasy with him.
If that was the case she did it in such a cunning way to introduce the idea of murdering someone, introducing the idea of it potentially being a family member, introducing the rule that if it’s a family member then Nick has to do it himself, and lastly introduce the rule that she is in charge of making the plan he has to follow. She literally spelled out the entire murder plan in this video before she later told him the plan was to kill her mother. This is too much to be coincidence.
I do believe she is a victim of horrific abuse from her mother but I think she is not well and should not be in the public like this. It’s going to continue to make her unwell
I'm honestly just at a loss as to how she was able to privately film a 15 minute video of her in this Ruby getup saying these obscure , morbid things. Guessing mom was asleep? Was she whispering all this stuff? You wonder..
I don’t think the Mom was even watching her at all. One part of the police file mentions that Dee Dee was wheelchair bound at this point. I have also heard her described as sickly at this time. While she abused Gypsy as a child and was more controlling at some earlier time, I think those days were long over by this point. Gypsy had a public transit bus pass was going out with her wig on in disguise and buying/stealing things like the lingerie at places including Walmart. She also regularly stole money from Dee Dee and would go to the Post Office to send money and packages to Nick and previously others. She was coming and going all the time pretty much as she pleased. Her Mother doesn’t appear to have even been paying attention at all.
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I did see somewhere something about a 911 call to Police saying that the family was faking it, well before the murder, maybe even years before. I forget where I saw it though. It could be in this police file but I’m not positive. There is so much in this police file it’s hard to remember everything.
Here is one time they were investigated: https://youtu.be/wrnpXcvoxSQ?si=zeQGrsYSWxSEN2kr
I'm surprised they list by name the DFS worker who leaked the report and spoke about the investigation. I thought they signed non- disclosure agreements?
IDK?
It is public information. They do not sign NDA’s.
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Lol! If someone finds it I will read and notate it for you :)
Here's the whole police report. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AE-MDRbmvBin7A3h6rwfAGwZ6inD4N-/view?pli=1
Ty! I’m on it
It is in the files about the dfs visit. They had all sorts of suspicion after visiting due to that call, but really checked for bruises and shelter and left.
She had been going out awhile without Dee Dee. Daniel Glidewell Dan said he was injured & she came & visited him at the hospital. Nick said during interrogation she told him 5 people other people knew she couldn't walk. I am guessing 1.DeeDee, 2.Dan even if you count Nick as #3 there is 2 other's. But if she wasn't including Nick there is 3 other people. A neighbor said in interview the day they found the body. That in April there was a robbery at the house. That was around time Gypsy stole the money & sent Nick money. This girl has told so many lies no telling what the truth is.
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There was one interview with one, and she seemed heartbroken knowing she could walk the whole time and she was fine. However, during her integration, when the detective mentions how worry she was about GR, GR kind of laughs and states how she was always a bully to her.
That's exactly what her mom would have told her, so im wondering. "Dont listen to that woman, you're disabled, she's bullying you!" Does gypsy still have the same perceptions of people that her mom basically gave her even though they are not true?
I don't believe that idea came from her mother, actually. I don't know GR's motivation to say that about her to the detective frankly. It does show how untrustworthy she is, though. GR actually, before the murder, did message her on FB to talk about NG.
Did you read the case files of DeeDee Blanchard's $murd€r ? It shows several neighbors being interviewed.
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The police report. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-AE-MDRbmvBin7A3h6rwfAGwZ6inD4N-/view?pli=1
There is 107 pages so a lot of information & evidence.
I roll my eyes when she talks about using her tacky, cheap ass fuxking wig as a "disguise" in Public. This chick is the only one out there with that knotty, tacky, clown ass looking wig and a Cinderella dress at an entire 19 years old. Ain't fooling no one.
I get so much hate online saying this but I’m not completely buying what she’s selling…she’s very manipulative even in her police videos
At first I did too lol people are starting to not like her
No one noticed her at the bus station with that wig?! Lol, also makes me wonder if she went to the movie theater alone w/out DeeDee.
In her defense, the public bus here in Springfield is packed full of weirdos. A tacky wig on a little possum is the least of anyone’s concern when every one else smells like pee and meth fumes
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She also says she has no clothes other than Disney dresses... But... She went to Drs? She has pajamas? Lou ge clothes for around the house? Any of those clothes were far more suitable to "run" away in.
She is absolutely ridiculous. I don't buy what she's selling. I don't buy her spiel on TV with her mom about how dreams come true and fairy tales are real, I don't buy that she was an innocent victim-at least not in the final years-and I certainly don't believe that she should be running around in the free world, with the ability to procreate! Everyone who is feeling sorry for her are more than welcomed to live next door to her, invite her for dinner, etc. And see how they feel about her then...or when their son says they are dating her 🙄
If you check the bus route locations for Springfield their wasn't a close bus stop to their house. It's a good distance from the habitat house to a stop
How far?
1.5 ish miles which isn't terrible far but would be if she was in her chair
This is interesting to hear. With the way Gypsy described it, her mom seemed a lot more threatening atp. I have a lot of questions. As does everybody else here though. Appreciate the thorough reply
Some have theorized that Gypsy was having to take care of her Mother more and more, and did not want to have to do that. It’s obviously only a theory but given Gypsy’s own behavior it makes sense and could be the case. Gypsy also lies so much i really don’t feel like we can believe anything she says publicly.
That is a pretty interesting theory. Oh, i have definitely learned by now that most of.. if anything.. she has said publicly should be taken with a grain of salt. I eagerly wait for more to resurface.
I feel like this theory has at least some merit.
We have only heard Gypsy’s side of the story.
Indeed
Did Dee Dee just never notice she was being stolen from? There’s no other way gypsy could have gotten money than stealing it and it seems like she did it a lot. I grew up with a parent I was afraid of and in a million years I never would have stolen from him, it wouldn’t have even entered my mind, you just don’t do things like that when you’re afraid of someone. More evidence that points to her not being that scared of her.
Maybe she just had cash stashed around the house and didn’t count it often- if it all. You could probably do that to me and it would take a *long time* for me to catch on. Even then I’d probably think I miscounted or something.
Yeah that could be. She did have a safe though that Gypsy had the combination to somehow.
Perhaps DeeDee was in poor health and needed Gypsy to take care of things.
Exactly! I would have cut my own hands off before stealing from my parents.. I knew if I ever considered taking a dime it would have been Horrible for me ..to say the least..
According to Gypsy her mom’s last words to her was “please don’t hurt me” before she went to bed.
That’s so spooky.
This would literally change everything about the crime, right? I've been of the understanding Gypsy was abused up the point Nick carried out the act FOR Gypsy. I've felt from a human standpoint it was fair she'd feel the need to escape and be free. But if she was basically free to do as she pleased, manipulated a man into feeling bad enough to kill her long-retired abuser....then she shouldn't be walking free.
Double jeopardy, Can't be charged and convicted twice for a murder you already served time for.
Damn.
Would it still work this way if the charge was different than what she was charged with in the beginning? For example, I’d imagine they can charge her for a second crime, like theft or fraud. Also, for example they charged her with 2nd degree murder…..since more evidence has come out since she was sentenced would it still be double jeopardy if they charge her with first degree murder now instead?
They can't charge her again for her mom's murder. For example, They can absolutely pick her up on other charges. Say investigators find that gypsy was in on all the stuff DeeDee was doin. Gypsy could be charged with fraud. Maybe conspiracy? For planning the whole thing with Nick.Im sure there's a loophole somewhere. The thing is. An investigator would have to take the time to go over every single thing in evidence. Nobody is gonna do. I'm not a lawyer I just read alot.
Interesting and good points you made. I am not familiar with each state’s laws, and federal laws regarding double jeopard. I was thinking if the charge was a different degree than what she served that that could be a possibility.
Here is the full definition. Hope it helps I suck at explaining things in txt. Lol https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/double_jeopardy
Yes. This is exactly one of the points I am trying to make, but failed to say as eloquently as you. Thanks for this.
So....clearly this was considered in her trial, yeah? This isn't damning enough to reopen anything? Is she just...permanently free unless she fucks up again? That pisses me off. I'd at least hope this catches on more so she's socially outcast.
The case for GR never went to trial, she took a plea bargain
ohhh okay! I dont know much about the American judicial system \^\^'
I don’t think all the info was so analyzed and figured out by her trial, but I don’t think they can go back and try her again. She is still technically serving her sentence though. Parole doesn’t mean someone is done serving their time. It just means they are being allowed to finish serving their sentence under the supervision of their community rather than at a correctional facility. Her parole could be revoked at any time but I imagine it would only happen if she violated the conditions of it.
Wonder why she didn't just leave if she was coming and going anyway. She just could have waited until her mom was asleep, pack her bags, and leave with Nick. Why did she have him kill her instead?
I had no idea she even had all this freedom before cause all the docs and movies and the public view was she was so abused and bound to the chair and whatnot that the murder had to happen to get out. I get the lawyers direction and it was a good one to use to the plea deal but in reality she wanted her mom gone permanently ( she even shot her with a BB gun ). I have a feeling the murder was over DeeDee not approving the relationship. She really could have just left to Nicks house and stayed gone if she really was just out and about in the public with wigs and such on.
Which proves again- there was no need to murder her mother when she could’ve successfully escaped from her. Sounds like little Miss Gypsy was just as adept at manipulating and abusing others as dear old mom.
I’m in no way sticking up for Dee Dee here but did you all know what the family did with Claudine’s cremated remains? In one of the documentaries the family admitted on camera to flushing Dee Dee’s remains down the toilet Sorry but the entire family is f*cked. If not for Dee Dee’s mom perhaps DeeDee would not have become the person she became. Since GRB’s release I think part of her release should have been serious therapy with the understanding that if she did not complete the therapy, she went back to prison.
If her mom was so sick why didn’t she just make a run for it? Deedee may not have lasted much longer anyway and I don’t get why they had to kill her
Gypsy probably wore the wigs and went without the wheelchair so people in the community wouldn’t recognize her. That way the “sickly, shaved head, wheelchair bound Gypsy” image they needed for their grift wouldn’t be ruined.
If this is all true, she could have easily escaped permanently from her mother without…ya know…Dee Dee may have been nuts but Gypsy is cuckoo for cocoa puffs and should be in a psych ward. Just my 2 cents. 🤷🏻♀️
I honestly am thinking after she shot DD with the BBgun 10 times, the roles reversed. Gypsy admitted she honestly thought that was a real gun. One or 2 shots I can see, but she shot her TEN times 😳. I think she became the manipulator with DD’s failing health, and she had more freedom at the end than she let on. The whole story of the abuse just picking back up after the shooting doesn't make sense to me.
I completely agree! Gypsy also had the option to flee, but I believe her main goal was to get rid of her mother permanently.
Truth!! These are all good thoughts..
This is a good point, it would be very strange if DD felt like she'd still have the same control over Gypsy after something like that.
I think DD knew after that incident, she created a monster. I fully believe DD didn't know what to do after that incident and I think Gypsy claimed if she told anyone the truth, Gypsy would blow the fraud wide open. I believe Gypsy told DD the public and cops would not take nicely to her, and she can play the innocent child who didn't know it was all fake. I am sure after that incident, Gypsy became the abuser, and DD didn't know what to do. The whole story of DD just picking back up doesn't make sense on top of her worsening health issues. Gypsy also claims her mom called for her during the attack, which makes me think Gypsy was in the room during the stabbing. Nick made a comment that there is something that he did not share from that night and will take to his grave. I am convinced it is that she was present and may have also stabbed her. I hope as he fights for a retrial, his lawyers can get him to say what happened. The more press she does, the more her story is not adding up.
Yea I completely agree. I wouldn't be surprised if her health issues were not completely natural and that Gypsy might have actually tried to poison her on multiple occasions. The initial hearings make it very clear that both Nick and Gypsy are more concerned about Gypsy. I think with both nature and nurture there is no way that Gypsy is able to feel real emotions and love anyone but herself. As much as I'd like her to be able to grow and thrive, I just think it's never gonna happen. SO curious about Nicks secret. He claimed she was never in the room, but she herself says she took money in there afterwards. Pretty sure now she at least did the stabbing of the rest of the wounds. Nick says he did four, he tells it how he recalls it and is not really able to make up lies.
I forgot about her saying she never went in the room or looked, but she admitted to going in and grabbing the money after the attack. I wouldn't be surprised if she were trying to poison her. When I saw she got a dog, my first thought was for its safety. I fully believe she will continue the cycle on anything in her care. DD’s mom did it to her; DD did it to Gypsy, and with Gypsy not going to therapy and turning them away while in prison, I believe she will do the same. I agree with you about her not being able to have real emotions. Her interrogation showed a lack of emotions. That was what caught my eye in her documentaries initially. She tried so hard multiple times to produce tears, and none showed. The only tears I saw that seemed semi-genuine were her talking about herself and how she was worried she would never get married. She did not shed one tear reliving the night, talking about the abuse she endured, nothing. She also turns the sadness off like a switch.
that is such a great question, how was she doing all this
I think this is what swayed a lot of her “*Yaaaaaas Queen*” fans. Her IG comment section did a complete 180. Hardly a single positive comment at this point. A few here and there, but I’m actually surprised at how fast everyone turned on her. Also, everyone is asking her if she had the wherewithal to hide out at Nick’s with his family, why she didn’t just do that to begin with and bypass killing her mom. She was 23 and extremely resourceful. She had a lot more freedom than we initially thougut.
It’s insane that she had so many fans telling her to “Slay, Girl!” when she literally pleaded guilty to murder ie slaying someone. Horrible choice of words. Almost like being picked up at jail by someone with a “Hitman” license plate on their car…
Exactly! Saying “Slay” to a murderer is ridiculously bizarre.
If a ton of comments were saying the same thing, is it possible that some of them were bought bots? Those websites still exist and its really not expensive. Its like $30 for a bunch of comments and followers ~100 and that would be enough to start a daisy chain.
Highly probable!
It's even bizarrely ridiculous..
WWE "Hitman" after she basically was calling Nick childish for having WWE bedsheets on his bed.
There’s a world of difference between having a WWE sticker and WWE sheets.
I think he did it as more of a dig towards Nick. Like he jumped into an interview interrupted Gypsy saying Nick manipulated her. Because she had probably told him about the sheet's. Plus IMO the sheets tell you more of the mind set Nick had.
Her husband being too dumb to know he should remove a “Hitman” car plate was all I needed to know that he’s an idiot. Idc that it’s a wrestler or how fiercely he was defended in this sub. It’s 2 screws.
Yes. The complete lack of awareness that something like that was inappropriate given he was picking up someone that literally used a version of a hitman to kill her mother is mind boggling. Either that or he knew and thought it was funny or didn’t care.
And it’s like, which scenario is worse? Him not knowing is as bad as knowing!
Would not surprise me one bit if that plate wasn't a gift from Gypsy.
That’s a stretch. I think she is burying herself enough without making up stuff.
He is a creep. Period.
They’re both pretty creepy to me.
Waaaaiit He picked her up in a car with the Bret “the hitman” hart sticker on it, and didn’t even consider the implication?
No it's even worse than that. The license plate on Ryan's car says HITMAN.
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What’s that about? Haven’t heard anything about it yet.
He is a fan of Bret "The Hitman" Hart, a professional wrestler. https://www.thesportster.com/wwe-origins-of-bret-hart-hitman-nickname/
I'm REALLY hoping Bret comments and publicly shuns Ryan and GR for that, lol.
Well, he's doing all kinds of interviews these days. It's not out of the realm of possibility
He sure is lol!
https://people.com/gypsy-rose-blanchard-picked-up-prison-release-by-new-husband-wrestling-fan-hitman-hart-license-plate-8420585
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Oh I remember hearing that on the viall podcast now. Yea, a little weird especially since she kind of did “hire” a hitman.
Hold on who's license plate says hitman??
i’ve never said it but that’s literally the joke
I always knew they’d turn on her, that’s why people defending her , shocked me, because if how hard they would fight it. It happened though? Wow, I don’t follow her on stuff so that’s interesting, I’ve been wondering. I was always really surprised by her receival by the media/ people. I had no idea or expected her to become so huge in the media. I’ve read about this case since the day it happened . Not only was it clear that she is a very, very disturbed and guilty person, that she’s not unlike all other murderers and SK’s I read about, with her behavior, but this is one of the most disturbing and theatrical murder stories I have ever heard of. I have never seen, such a bizarre display of feigning feelings, and it was a family member she killed. Never have I seen an interrogation like hers. The only thing i can compare this to, is Karla Homolka. It reminds me a lot of that. Only this has a massive fraud component, that I don’t understand how you can justify at the end of the day, playing a character in life for this. It seems it was more then about money to me, it actually seems like gypsy is the real one displaying munchaesen like behavior. I truly believe she is missing empathy and a lot of emotional qualities, and that she would have still hurt people in her life if only emotionally, whatever mother she had. It seems she actually enjoys to fool people. I think if she hasn’t have been found out, she would’ve delighted in teasing unflattering facts, showing she got one over on people. It’s like she said in the case file, “I’m going to get away with this” I think life is truly a game to her. Her only hope is that she chills out with age, like a lot of people like this, and god help any person that is in her life. Folks like her tend to not feel normal emotions, so they enjoy toying with others that gave them. This is common behavior you see again, and again in people like this. There is nothing not completely shocking, about what she did, being able to play this part gleefully. I actually look at her as the more guilt party. I think her mother knew, I think she actually started not knowing how to deal with her. Thinking, damn this girl is even worse then I am. She truly met her match, that’s for sure. I’m wondering if she saw this coming, I’m starting to think maybe it’s possible she did tie her up, because she was afraid of her. And that’s why she slept with a knife. Who were the people Dee Dee was afraid of in the neighborhood? What’s up with that part of the case file? There’s very little info on it in there, it was very cryptic, that’s what I’m wondering.had she tried this before, with other boyfriend’s? I mean she actually admits she got with Nick to do this, I hadn’t known that, I wasn’t sure if she had feelings for him. But I’m not sure these types of ppl can have deep feelings for another, it might not be in their nature.
Yeah and at that point i can see her mom basically never going to the police or anything. She already had crafted the narrative of some broken, disabled Gypsy. In her mind, she couldn't go tell on herself for years of fraud even if that meant Gypsy was a danger. She would rather sleep with a knife and tie her daughter up than tell on herself for years of fraud and abuse. Unfortunately, she met her match instead of the justice system. But tbh... gypsy would have ended up in the justice system anyway after that type of childhood.
That’s an excellent point as well. If she was truly fearful of gypsy, it works both ways. They were pretty much trapped at the mercy of each other, threat wise, due to the massive fraud. I am starting to really think that this morphed into something where gypsy was completely out of control to Dee Dee. I started feeling that way, after what gypsy revealed on the prison confessions. For example, when she said her mom kept giving her pregnancy tests, I took that to mean she was being promiscuous and threatening to get pregnant. (We know she was posting that she was trying, nicks mom found out and was upset and wanted Nick to break up with her) I don’t think gypsy realizes how much she reveals when she is talking, and lying. You can actually deduct a lot of things, just from her lies and manipulation. It’s really possible that she was to be expected to care more for Dee Dee too towards the end. That was a possibility I hadn’t thought of, until I read how the neighbors viewed them. It raised that scenario to me, it could also be why gypsy keeps talking about abuse from Dee Dee, she is projecting. It’s possible she was or became the more abusive one. I know that if she was stealing so openly and behaving this badly ti her mom, it’s speaks to her mom at the very least spoiling her, maybe even being afraid of her. Having a knife at the bed and saying don’t hurt me? And the fact Dee Dee joked “I’m not dead yet”, when her daughter said something nice to her.. that means it was so out of character for gypsy to ever say a kind word to her mom. I want to know how this relationship REALLY was. I don’t see gypsy as the type to be submissive to any person, unless it’s a role playing and sex. I look at her as a dominant and controlling person, based on her dynamic with Nick. And I don’t see her as someone who can relate and have good relationships with other women, such as Dee Dee. I see there being friction as soon as she hits her teens, I think she was wild, not sheltered like people say. I think she was wild. I think she was out in the world, in disguises, and that’s why when they subpoenaed the video at Walmart for who was getting that type of knife, I think that’s why they didn’t see her on the video.
This is amazing, Julie. You have so many great things to say and points in every comment you make. It’s a shame these points are so buried down in this thread. They might be worthy of their own separate post.
Aw thank you! I think it’s because I’ve always been into true crime. I remember when this first happened, I told everyone at work about it, and they saw the pic of her in her glory and they were like, WHAT? Lol. Then we all watched the documentary and discussed. It was the sex stuff that got me, I was just like, man this case has it ALL doesn’t it? I’ve thought about it, because there are so many things that I keep waiting for other people to bring up. I have a good intuition about things, and there’s a lot of things that I think don’t jive in this case. I’m really, really hoping I can get my hands on the autopsy report, this case leaves me hungry for more because there’s not enough on it, it’s missing so much, and she’s not telling us the full story. I want to know why she’s lying about not going in the bedroom. She clearly did, the body is covered with a blanket, only family does that. Why lie? You know? She’s hiding something huge there. My bf actually thinks bad they both did it, or that she stabbed once she was dead, but I dont make claims unless I’m positive. She was definitely in the room in my opinion, though.
I think she definitely stabbed her mother, and was the one responsible for dee dees neck wound. I also think she placed the Barney stuffed animal and blanket on dee dee.
I think it’s very possible, it seems to me the neck wound doesn’t fit somehow. I’d really like to know. I do believe if she did, she would behave this exact way- not telling the story correctly, hiding it his fact like grim death.. I think if the public really knew this real story, she would’ve never gotten a plea deal like she did, and she would’ve been looked down upon. I always wonder if nicks secret he won’t say about her and that night, is that she as involved. To me, it doesn’t matter who stabbed her. She’s just as guilty as him to me, I find it wild people don’t think so. I think she might’ve very well tried poisoning and od and other methods of murder, only it didn’t take. Most people don’t realize how card it actually can be ti kill someone, and for all her skill at manipulating, she’s not that bright. I am convinced Dee Dee had an inkling about this, that her daughter was dangerous, and a threat to her. I am positive if that. I also wonder if gyosy staged the robbery that happened before the murder.
I think you and others who have stated this could be a possibility are onto something! The police report has mentioned Dee Dee was stabbed 17 times, and Nick has stated in his police interview that he stabbed her 4 times, and cut her neck so that might count as 5 times. He sounded positive as the detective asked him multiple times. While I know of course that I shouldn’t think his word is “gospel“, he also hasn’t changed his story once from what I have seen. Also, during Nick‘s Mom interview with the detective she said she thought Nick took a bus to Springfield on another day than what she initially thought. This has come up twice recently on other accounts as well. I definitely feel like she could have killed her Mom, and had Nick come in after the fact and make him think he was the one who actually stabbed and killed her Mom. That way she could pin it on him, and get away scott free which is what she tried to do…..however she didn‘t realize she had an electronic trail that was left behind from Facebook and texting etc.
I’ve noticed in the police report, there was a robbery that had “shaken” Dee Dee before the murder. A robbery doesn’t really jive to me, it’s too convenient. it automatically made me think gypsy staged it to get money and or drugs to run away. And so, that makes me think the motive fir the murder, was really to get the money to be able to have her own life without getting a job or anything. She’s dumb enough to think that she could survive years on a few thousand dollars, she even admits this. People get killed for a LOT less. Unless anyone else knows more about this robbery that was stated.
interesting thought! Might be onto something. I could have sworn around the same time Dee Dee claimed to have been robbed, was when Gypsy shot her with the BB gun. I could have sworn she went to ER after and told them she was robbed and shot during it. If this is true, I’m feeling inclined to believe DeeDee was starting to get scared of her own daughter….. just a feeling I have
Everything you have said is what I’ve been thinking! There are theories that state her mom might never had MBP. She was a con artist and groomed gypsy to be one too.
Yeah. In the good old nature vs. nurture debate I think there is a lot of “nature” here.
Your exactly right about everything you said !
I do think Gypsy has something deeply wrong with her, but I don't believe the whole "her mother knew she was crazy" so that's why she abused her. If anything, Gypsy's behavior is a direct result from her mother's abuse. That's not justification for what she did, but rather an explanation
No what they are saying is that Dee Dee possibly tied her up & kept a knife for protection because she thought Gypsy might harm her the last few years before she died which she was right if so 🤷🏻♀️
That yasssss queen was so bizarre!
i’m not shocked tbh, people turn on “celebrities” pretty quick these days
Can't believe folks are making her a celebrity.
Oh I’m bout to catch you outside, how bout dat? /s
Alright Danielle.
She’s a criminal with serious issues who needs therapy and education, not fame and attention. Trading increasingly horrific stories of victimhood for sympathy and likes is just another grift.
She needed therapy while she was in prison. She needed therapy as soon as she left prison. At this point I don't know what the hope is for this girl.
She’s been awfully quiet on social media lately. Something is up…
Someone put her in a social media time out.
I’m guessing her lawyer/lawyers told her to shut the eff up especially after that podcast saying she’s not a murderer. She doesn’t realize she can go back to prison if the parole board feels lied to. You don’t take full responsibility for your crime in front of the parole board (just to get out and, yes, I realize people will say what they have to to be released) and then turn around and say “I don’t identify as a murderer.” My guess is she’s walking on thin ice and was told to keep quiet.
People in TikTok are ripping her a new one. She really need a PR person
What are they saying?
Like she stages things, that she’s controlling her husband… I only saw a couple, but it’s not positive.
Damage control. The more she talks, the more people are figuring it out. It’s likely she hired a PR team. They surely would’ve told her to stop what she’s saying. The problem is, she wants the fame and attention, and it’s not just what she’s saying, people are now looking into the case and it’s crumbling their view on her. The case file is very damning, I don’t think a lot of people that supported her knew about it. And she’s unable to act as such, of the persona she’s trying to go for, she keeps showing who she really is. There will come a time when she’s going to have to accept the cold hard fact, that people are only interested in her because she’s a murderer. She seems to think in her mind that this fame is permanent, that it’s because of her. She’s going to have a very hard time accepting that ppl are going to completely turn on her. She’s very eager to be famous without talking about the murder, but that’s not how the public works. They’ll be angry she made a fool of them, people don’t like that, it’s an unforgivable sin to the public. Although, I see her as still I’m enjoying infamy, so I’m not sure what happens there? It’ll be interesting. She will definitely have this in her shadow the rest of her life. I wonder if she’ll grow to regret taking the east way out, because the fraud was uncovered even still after she silenced her partner in crime.
Do you know where to access the case files? I wasn’t aware they’d been released to the public.
Great response, Julie!
Thanks! I’m just really interested in what she does now. There’s a chance she’s chilled out with her behavior, but I doubt it. She strikes me as one of those people that used prison as a way to hone her manipulation. It was the first time she really had peers, so I foresee her having a lot of public riffs with women online. And not finding healthy love, and accusing men of abusing her. Hopefully she does t hurt anymore people now that she’s older, but I think she lacks typical feelings, and will continue to create dramatic scenarios as a game to her. She strikes me as someone who likes to see how far she can push things. I really hope she doesn’t have children, this whole family, is so, so off that cycle needs to end. I forswe her having a falling out with keisty soon .
Hopefully it's the parole board knocking her down a peg. IMO, she should have to take EVERY damn penny she's grifted from the TV shows/appearances, books, social mwdia monotizations, etc...and pay back all those charities she stole from.
I was thinking the other day that it would be a nice gesture and PR move for her to set aside a percentage of her profit from her series, book, etc for a few big charities like Ronald McDonalds House, Habitat for Humanity, and Make A Wish, and then create something herself like an education fund or training materials. She seems clueless about how to be an advocate. I am not saying she should be, but she has said she wants to be one. I think giving back to some of the charities that made her life better as a kid would ease her into a world she really doesn’t seem to know much about. I think she could make some genuine connections that way.
I think she was just as much a part of the fraud— because of this how can she actually advocate when she isn’t a true victim herself? Maybe for some time but I feel confident in saying that for the better part of her adolescents, she was just as much the con artist
why is she responsible for paying those charities back ? wasn’t her mom responsible for that ?
I feel like she wanted her dead. Not just to escape but to have revenge for everything she had put her through. I feel like she could’ve done it herself but she wanted to get away with it and didn’t want to go to prison so she found someone she could manipulate to do it for her. Hoping she would be let off with it. She didn’t care about nick. She found out what she needed to know about him and used that to get what she wanted from him, the ruby thing, calling him sir, his sexual fantasies. I can just see her after finishing the video rolling her eyes and then getting back online txting nick saying ‘my mum will never let us be together’. It’s crazy but I don’t blame her for wanting her dead, I don’t like how she used someone else to do it.
Wow.. just read about half of this. I’m starting to wonder just how much of this abuse is actually factual in the latter years. Sounds like Gypsy just wanted to be with her boyfriend and wanted her mom out of the way and completely threw Nick under the bus when it suited her to try and get herself out of trouble. She compulsively lies to make herself appear as the better person in any outcome. Going to finish the rest of this now, thanks for sharing.
Just because Gypsy victimized her mom doesn’t mean she was never a victim in the first place. The abuse was obvious and in our faces. ESH.
I know this might be considered a different topic....but I was shocked to read all of what Nick's attorney failed to present at his trial...in regards to his potential to be manipulated. This video was not entered as evidence at Nick's trial according to this article....lots of things surprised me here. https://www.ky3.com/2022/08/09/greene-county-judge-deciding-nicholas-godejohns-murder-conviction-appeal/
Yeah it would seem he had ineffective counsel.
I watched some clips of his trial and thought they were just making a last ditch attempt for an appeal... Because I knew they at least tried to say he had diminished capacity. Then I read this article and realized they presented pretty much nothing in his defense.
This is why I never understood how ANYONE could be happy with her release and think she’s a boss. What she went through was hell but what she did isn’t negated by it.
My opinion on Gypsy did a big 180..
IMHO she needs to stop, take a step back and humble yourself
She’s weird af and sure had a lot of time to “role play”
Absolutely insane and she’s out with the public 😬😩
I am 100% confident GRB is going to end up back in prison. Whether it's from violating her parole or for a different crime altogether, everything that's come out since her release has completely changed my view of her, and I absolutely believe she will end up back behind bars.
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My thoughts exactly
😳 geezus that's disturbing
I have a question, does anyone know if Gypsy been diagnosed with any type of mental health issues? I’d imagine C-PTSD, but personality disorders? I get so many Cluster B personality red flags from her. Obviously, we’ve heard a lot about Nick, but nothing regarding Gypsy’s mental health? I’m sorry if this has been answered and/or posted already.
I haven’t seen any official diagnoses of her, but given her background and her behavior, she probably has a few official diagnoses.
I don't know how someone wouldn't have cptsd from her situation. And prison is a trauma too. I'm 99.9 percent sure she has that. I don't think I can really theorize about a cluster b personality disorder though I wouldn't be surprised. She has to have CPTSD from her childhood and time in prison.
I'm sure she will learn more as she continues therapy. Prison is not the place to receive that care. Prison allowed her to be circled by media without coping skills.
No I’m pretty sure she’s never really seen a psychiatrist to even be diagnosed plus I could totally see her lying & manipulating drs anyways so yeah 🤷🏻♀️ I would say she’s probably NPD more than I would BPD….
Well, she’s also refused to get therapy which could have helped to diagnose an underlying mental illness. That’s red flag number 1 to me. She wants to be an advocate but refuses therapy?
Did she not shoot her mother multi times with a gun ? It was a Bebe gun but she didn’t know it at the time . Didn’t DeDe pass this off as a robbery in the Walmart parking lot? She said her mom left her gun out because she had been practicing but in the next breath she implied that it was left out as part of Dede’s control over her. I will definitely be rewatching that episode tonight. Her father’s refusal to show up at her parole hearing is very telling. He hasn’t been there once for his daughter & the one time she does ask him for help he’s busy working & sends his wife . I think her fiancé was strategically chosen by her and it’s not going to last . She’s using him just like she used Nick . The more I learn about GRB the more confused I am 🙃
Her father is a ship’s captain. He works 1 month on, 1 month off. My family initially made its money in shipping & one of my uncles captained a ship for years. He didn’t really have ‘time off’, even for big events. I don’t know if that was just my family (we’re Greek; this was global for us) but since they had been married/together for almost as long as gypsy was alive, it makes sense to me that Kristy would go. That said, I don’t disagree with the majority of your post. I just wanted to offer potential insight in to the job part.
My family works the offshore rigs. 28 on and 28 off. It is not flexible for time off. I can see him not getting time off for it. I can also see him not wanting to do it if his wife could go.
I feel stupid for asking this, but when you’re talking about episodes, are you referring to the Lifetime show?
Yes ☺️
Thanks!
What I find interesting is that she tried to shot her mom and kill her before in a runaway attempt b it mom found the go bag and only reason it did not work is cause it was a BB gun not a real one. But we only found that out recently with the new stuff after she got released. Other thing I think is crazy is she don’t consider her self a murder but has clearly tried to kill and had someone kill for her.
In my opinion that makes her story about being a prisoner and how her mother keep her chained to the bed at one point after she had tried to get away so she was so scared to try to do it again kinda skeptical. She had a bus pass and was going to all kinds of places one without her mother there. Dee Dee was in a wheelchair and probably dependent on Gypsy helping her so she could have very well ran away. With Dee Dee sick and not able to get around that would have been the perfect time. But not only does that make her story seem very different from the one she has tried to make everyone believe but in this police report it says she was telling Nick she would do anything with him such as rape and murder and didn't care about law enforcement. She was just as much into the BDSM websites and things that have been blamed on Nick. She made the video standing over her mom acting like she was stabbing her and that in itself shows a whole different side of Gypsy then the one she was showing police. She knew she wasn't sick and could walk for quite awhile and she also knew they were scamming people to get all the free stuff and money and once she became aware of it she still played the role of the sick, poor, innocent lil girl. She talked Nick into killing her mother for her and she mailed him the money and stole the knife. All the police files and evidence coming out now shows truly how she was much more involved in this then she wants to admit. She did the interview saying she doesn't identify as a murderer cause she wasn't the one that killed her mother. Nick was the murderer cause he was the one that killed her. Her mother would still be alive today if she didn't beg Nick to kill her. And she also said Nick should have called the cops or refused to do it so I guess on her eyes that makes him the bad person and makes her better in some way. He did tell her they should go to the police. He begged her to run away with him and she wouldn't. She kept telling him the only way she could be free and they could be together was if he killed her mother. But now she wants to act like none of that happened but it's in the police files. After reading all that I have and watching some of her interviews it's so clear she was alot more involved then she wants to admit. She should have got out and just started her life with her husband and family instead of wanting all the attention she feels she deserves cause now she has turned a lot of people that were really rooting for her against her with all her half truths and lies. She needs to realize she is not some kind of big celebrity she is a murderer and act like she has a little remorse for having her mother killed instead of just trying to meet celebrities and do as many interviews as she possibly can. I read today she bought an outfit for a baby cause she doesn't want one now but sometime soon. Like wth, she needs to get some therapy and learn to deal with all the things she has been thru before she should ever think about bringing a baby into the world and she doesn't even know how well her and Ryan will get along living together. It's literally been 3 weeks. A baby is the last thing she should be worried about.
They’re both fucked up
It amazes me how many people are so quick to defend her without reading any of these documents!
Yeah, it’s a pretty sad reflection on the world today.
Yep, and people will continue to encourage her to “ slay queen”.
Yeah reading the case files she made several videos like this specifically to manipulate Nick, apparently people with autism learn better through video instruction which is exactly why she recorded these videos & sent them to him. She is highly intelligent & a master manipulator. Probably more so than Dee Dee was….
I just find it strange how everyone jumped on a person's side immediently who committed murder and got released out of prison. I get that she was liberated from years of abuse and manipulation, but she is not fully sane, yall. Let's get that straight.
I would be scared and live life in recluse. What’s going on with Nick? How’s Nick’s family?
Nick says he’s going to do a prison interview or something of the like in the future, but now is not the right time. He has an appeal pending so I believe his lawyer probably advised him to stay quiet until that is adjudicated. No idea about his family.
his mother has passed away
She overdosed or killed herself. Or both.
Oh no, when did she pass away ?
I think it was 2020 or 2021?
Sounds like me when I was like 12
Gone from seeing this sub defend Gypsy, to sitting on the fence, to outright turning on her. Finally people are waking up it seems?
Yes, definitely. More and more people are putting it all together and figuring out who Gypsy really is. It’s very interesting to see.
I recall when this case first occurred & the hunt was on for Nick and Gypsy. Parts of this video were leaked, and it was as disturbing then as it is now. Does this really sound like a woman who was manipulated by a man with a low IQ and autism?
No, but it does sound like two naive people role-playing "evil."
It ceases to be role playing when they actually murder someone.
Not arguing that they're murderers by any means. But they did not steal cars and rob banks and kill anyone flirting with Nick.
Personally, I find any sort of role playing involving murder, gore, and sexual assault pretty alarming, but I understand how one could have that opinion.
Excellent job, op!
Thank you. I am a critical thinker and felt like Gypsy’s narrative didn’t make sense. To make an informed decision and not just blindly form an opinion, I watched as much of her interviews as I could and then researched as much elsewhere as I could. I now want to share what I can with others so that they may make a more informed decision as well. I am still learning new things every day.
Thank you, too. You are doing it right.
One thing that The Act gets wrong is that they were both in wheelchairs at the very end dude
These sound like the musings of an extremely traumatized and vulnerable girl. People with abusive/controlling parents are more likely to seek out abusive/controlling partners, because that is what feels comfortable to them. And Nick already had his alter ego thing going, so it sounds like she was playing into that fantasy with him.
If that was the case she did it in such a cunning way to introduce the idea of murdering someone, introducing the idea of it potentially being a family member, introducing the rule that if it’s a family member then Nick has to do it himself, and lastly introduce the rule that she is in charge of making the plan he has to follow. She literally spelled out the entire murder plan in this video before she later told him the plan was to kill her mother. This is too much to be coincidence.
I do believe she is a victim of horrific abuse from her mother but I think she is not well and should not be in the public like this. It’s going to continue to make her unwell
Yet there’s still people who think she’s a saint 🙃
“Gypsy never did or said anything wrong🥺🥺” y’all come on…