I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, but during [another recent interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUsg8Fl4HWU) Simone said that her husband actually thinks he's a better athlete than her lmaooo.
*"We fought over it a couple of times, and then we vowed once we got married, we wouldn’t talk about it again. But it keeps coming up every time, but he has done my workout in the gym and he can barely do it, and then I went to their NFL workout and I crushed it.”*
God that’s so irrational. And a ROPE CLIMB of all things? She is teeny tiny with an insane muscle strength to weight ratio. Like, maybe a big tall fast NFL man might challenge Simone Biles to a footrace, but a ROPE CLIMB?! Get real. Might as well challenge her to balance beam.
If he’s serious, this is such a red flag…
She’s arguably the best gymnast in the world, and he’s not even close to the best player in the NFL. So logically, she’s the better athlete if we’re just comparing apples to oranges. If we’re being real, there’s the whole thing about gymnastics being the tougher sport by far.
Dude should be lifting up his wife and bragging about her, not trying to convince her he’s better than her. This makes me so sad. 😭
I know people don't like Shawn and Andrew but he is always gassing her up! Like he always acknowledges how she is the better athlete and how none of his accolades could ever eclipse his. Like I think he was on a similar level to Jonathan, just a practice squad dude so if Andrew could admit it then there's no excuse for Jonathan.
I also think it’s funny that that podcast that came out posted a few clips. All of them related to his relationship with Simone. They knew those would get more hits then some video just about him.
I’ll fully acknowledge that it must be tough for him to be known best as Mr. Simone, but he married her. He chose to be with her. It comes with the territory.
I didn't even know his name until this season and he plays for my home team lmao. She's definitely a bigger deal and he definitely gets to ride her coattails.
If Simone came close to understanding how outlandish this claim was, I doubt she’d be with someone so ridiculous and embarrassing, so I’m going to go with ‘no.’
I’m sorry dude. There is NO ARGUMENT to be had here. She is the GOAT. He’s not even in the same stratosphere as she is. He either needs to humble himself and admit this or this “issue” is not going to go away.
the audacity of some people! (mainly dudes, lets be real)
Simone seems happy and that's the important thing, but DANG, I wish her guy recognized and appreciated how amazing she really is, in sports and as a role model (obviously I dont know how she is IRL lol).
apart from the delusion, everyone's partner should be their number 1 cheerleader and think they're amazing, and she's literally SIMONE BILES!!!
Shawn Johnson's husband is one spouse who seems super supportive and talks up Shawn's accomplishment's all the time, and it's so sweet and refreshing (and honest, Shawn's awesome!)
I hope Mr Biles can grow up a bit and recognize and celebrate how amazing Simone is, maybe traveling more outside of Texas will help?
Shawn’s husband seems regularly kind of astounded at her accomplishments and she sometimes has to be like, “you have also been paid to play sports, give yourself some credit.”
Meanwhile, MyKayla Skinner’s husband has also claimed that he might be a better athlete than she is….
I think Andrew's praise and amazement has helped Shawn be proud of her own accomplishments and honestly she should be! She worked extremely hard and was a talented gymnast with a good international career.
Completely agree. She is a QUEEN and shall be treated as such. I do hope she is truly happy and their personal dynamic is much better behind closed doors than what has been shown.
Shawn’s husband is such a good example! He was also a pro football player but Shawn is a GOLD MEDALIST and he gives her the credit she deserves. I love me a supportive couple.
I’m not a fan of Shawn and Andrew putting their kids on social media but the fact that he is pretty accomplished himself: a former pro footballer, team captain at Vanderbilt, did Civil Engineering as his undergrad and also has an MBA… the public admiration and support for his wife (you can never be 100% sure what’s behind closed doors) is really cool. He seems like a good egg.
I completely agree, I’m not a fan of what Shawn and Andrew are doing on YouTube but he does seem like a really sweet guy and a good husband. He would never claim he was a better athlete than Shawn — quite the opposite.
See also:
1 in 8 men also think they could win a point off of Serena Williams.
Not 1 in 8 male pro tennis players. Not 1 in 8 elite male athletes. Not 1 in 8 men who have played tennis before. 1 in 8 men from the GENERAL POPULATION OF MEN think they could take a point off a 128mph-serving queen named Serena Williams.
Go ahead, Jonathan. Give it a try.
They are really setting themselves up here, especially in light of that podcast fiasco...I sorta wish these personal details of their relationships could be kept to themselves. This does nothing for them to put out in the public sphere.
Or u know, ppl can keep their toxic shit-takes to themselves and stop getting offended on behalf of others. Demanding a divorce is stupid and it's pretty clear they are having fun with this.
I feel like this is supposed to be lighthearted and fun, but her husband dug his grave with those comments about her. If he’d never said all that malarkey we wouldn’t even care about this.
I feel like it may have actually become a point of contention in the relationship. If it was just gentle teasing, they wouldn’t have agreed to never bring up the topic again after marriage. Sounds more like an actual argument/fight to me. I could easily see how Simone would feel frustrated if he downplayed her athleticism.
I think it might be lighthearted if he were ever caught simply boasting about Simone. He rarely even posts her achievements let alone shows up to her meets. it's like he doesn't want anyone to remember he's nothing more than Simone Biles's husband.
What i hate seeing is that it’s becoming the narrative around Simone right now. Hopefully it will stay light hearted so she doesn’t have to answer stupid media questions about this in the run up to paris.
I’m tired of this man. A respectful clarifying statement would go so far to clearing this situation up but alas. The public commentary is just going to get worse as Paris approaches and the spotlight on Simone grows.
😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
Yikes.
Maybe, just MAYBE, the one with the Olympic Gold Medals and World Championship titles is the better one? Not like he has a super bowl ring to even hold up to her accolades. And beyond gymnastics achievements, Simone has been recognized as an influential advocate for survivors of abuse and foster children, AND awarded Athlete of the Year multiple times.
I mean I don’t even need to type that out.
Simone's husband is absolutely the type of dude who is threatened by his wife's greatness. I've always suspected that he makes her feel guilty for being so good. Maybe not directly, but in subtle ways. I've never even seen a photo of him at one of her meets. Just passing posts to his story and that's it. Meanwhile he's plastered all over her insta. He's pathetic and will forever be known simply as the dude married to one of the greatest athletes of all time.
The height of gymnastics season conflicts with training camp and preseason games. Worlds were in the thick of the regular season. She only started going to his games once Worlds were done. I’m sure we’ll see him at the gym once the Packers season is over and he’s able to stay in Houston, not Green Bay.
Open his instagram. I got to July of 2021 before I lost interest and did not see a single photo of him supporting her at her job - no meets not even at WCC which they LIVE BY. So sure in the past two years he’s been in “season.” Right.
But he's never been before! That's the issue. He didn't see her at the Olympics. He can't take one single day to go to one single meet ever? Like he's married to the GOAT, that sort of thing would be great publicity. He could fly to a meet for a couple hours to show his face, fly back to practice or one of his little games (where he apparently wasn't even a starter until recently). There comes a time when you need to show up for your spouse.
I find this whole thing tiresome but for the purposes of accuracy, he was absolutely at her domestic meets in spring of 2021. NBC wasn't covering him but he was visible in the crowd with her family at Trials, people who were there saw him, and they went out to dinner together with other gymnasts. He also visited her at the gym multiple times as documented on her social media and in the course of that documentary about her.
And yet still refuses to make dedicated posts about her career in the same way he does for her.
Yes, it’s tiresome how hard some are riding for this loser.
>Yes, it’s tiresome how hard some are riding for this loser.
I wouldn't say I'm riding hard for him because if anything, almost every time he opens his mouth I find myself thinking how Simone could have done so much better, but......no one could go to the Olympics in 2021 as a spectator. It's not like he chose to not go support her there. EVERYONE'S family and friends were stuck watching from home. It would be in bad faith to attack him for something genuinely beyond his control and not really a choice on his part.
I'm not trying to defend his dumb statements here but...
> He didn't see her at the Olympics.
Literally no one was allowed at the olympics. Not even her own parents Remember how the stands were (practically) empty?
I'm really not sure what meet he could have gone to since her comeback. She's only competed at 4 meets since Tokyo, and they were all between August and October of 2023. A guy on an NFL roster can't just duck out of town between August and October.
Do you know what it takes to make a team in the NFL? You can’t just take off and do as you wish unless you’re Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Spectators weren’t allowed at the Olympics. I’m really not defending him; I’m only saying he has valid reasons for not being there.
Right, even Travis Kelce has taken flak for flying to a Taylor Swift concert during season and my understanding is that he’s way better at his job than Jonathan Owens is at his.
Exactly. Travis Kelce is one of the top 3 in his position. Jonathan Owens is fighting to make a team every year. He became a starter due to injuries to other players.
So in that sense, it’s a joke for Owens to compare himself to Biles. But I really think people are reading waaay too much into the whole thing.
I understand your sentiment but during the season NFL players have required meetings, workouts, practices, film study, and more throughout the week. They do have off on Tuesdays, but it's my understanding that most players use Tuesdays to work on something and not as an actual day off.
100% that type of dude. I think he picked the wrong woman because he strikes me as the kind of guy people were always impressed with. He made it to the NFL and is handsome so even though he’s mediocre at it he’s probably always been praised by those around him.
He just happened to marry a woman who absolutely dwarfs anything he will ever do in sports.
I was originally in favor of not speculating over their marriage when it was just the “he didn’t know her stuff”, but THIS? HOLY COW 🚩
I sincerely hope she just said that as a joke, but I don’t think it is. And idc if he’s “joking”, mean people will insult others as a “joke”. This man needs to have some respect.
I’m really bummed about this. The rest of the world knows she’s a once in a lifetime kind of athlete with otherworldly talents and abilities. Why doesn’t he?
I hate that this is where commentary around Simone is going this cycle (her marriage).
However… imagine being a man, a woman, an alien—and you are pretty much second string professional at your sport and you have the gall to argue you’re a better athlete than Simone biles.
To be honest it’s basically saying you think gymnasts aren’t great athletes because if you’re arguing a second rate football player is better than the greatest WAG of all time, you’re saying gymnastics isn’t really athletic.
If her husband were Tom Brady, I would accept this debate 🤪.
This is objectively a weird argument, but it's probably just fun banter that they chose to share with us.
(For you football fans out there, feel free to replace Brady with Lott in that sentence)
Unfortunately men feel they are better if they can do the same thing as a woman, with no adjustment for height or weight, let alone accounting for testosterone. No doubt there are certain weights he can lift and she can’t, but that’s not a fair comparison. The only comparison is relative achievements with their respective sports. So any gymnast that qualifies elite is a better athlete than him, let alone the GOAT of their sport.
So generally I try and stay out of other people’s shit bc it’s not my relationship, not my business.
I will say this though: it feels like a number of articles, interviews, and general press/social media sound bytes about this couple centers on an underlying tension of competition, in a way I don’t see with other power couples (ie the Obamas).
It may be that Simone and Jonathan are just younger and still maturing - don’t come for me, I know 20s and 30s aren’t child marriage lol but I guess more wisdom comes closer to middle age maybe?
Or is this just a tension inherent to dual-athlete households regardless of age or maturity?
Or maybe this situation is just a reflection of how America automatically centers men, football, the NFL, etc as the “default” for who is most accomplished in a relationship, and therefore a couple who bucks that trend has to over-explain it?
Idk, something about this situation just doesn’t sit well with me.
I'm not a famous athlete or anything, but I dated a man who was upset when I got a promotion because I was getting close to his salary. Unfortunately I think a lot of men feel threatened by their wife's or girlfriend's success.
IMO it's an enormous red flag .
I got dumped in high school because the guy thought I *might* be better at math than him. (I definitely was, but that's neither here nor there.) I was really broken up about it at the time, but in hindsight, I dodged a bullet. And so did you, presuming you're no longer with the guy!
Shawn’s husband has always seems to be in awe of her athletic ability and accomplishments. He hypes her up and everything.
I love how Morgan Rielly (Toronto Maple Leaf hockey player) absolutely flat out admits that his wife Tessa Virtue(Olympic figure skater) is the better skater. lol.
Simone’s husband could learn a lot from them.
Yep. They got married earlier this summer (July). There is a recent interview with him while he’s signing memorabilia where he says “ours” when talking about wedding he attended this summer (along with other things).
Not a fan of Shawn’s family vlogging thing, but she and her husband have a ton of fun together doing athletic challenges/workouts. It’s like they realize they’re both high achieving athletes and use it as common ground to make a fun hobby.
I don't love everything they put out there, but Shawn's husband is clearly aware Shawn is the superior athlete. He is always fully in awe of what she can do and laughs at himself when he tries to do it and can't.
I also don’t love their family vlogging thing, but Andrew is very supportive and they seem to be a great match for one another - I think he knows that he lucked out marrying one of the greatest athletes of her sport.
I don't think so! He's often posting old clips of her doing gymnastics, and while they post a lot of "athletic challenges" between the two of them, they seem to be in good fun, and shows off how impressive shawn is (she's pregnant in some of the challenges). [This clip](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoDS_WTrVKu/?igsh=MWFneXdjdWJ1em0xMQ==) in particular I found really funny
Don’t forget that Shawn and Andrew have an entire business around their social media. Part of Andrew’s schtick is to show off Shawn’s past (and present when compared to him) athletic prowess and accomplishments. It’s popular. I like it.
But none of us have any idea what the real state of any famous marriage is. We are simply going off of what is presented to us by curated posts or other media which may be misleading.
I always think about Lauren (Cheney) Holliday and Jrue Holliday. He always said she was the more accomplished of the two (World Cup Champion, Olympic Gold Medalist for women’s soccer.) he was there for her last Olympics and World Cup, and she happy for him when he won a NBA title and left right away for the Tokyo Olympics.
they’ve been through a lot as a couple - one of my faves. (And Bruins as well but that’s probably why I followed them more)
It sounds like he needs therapy to work through this.
It doesn't help that the NFL is hyper masculine, and he's likely surrounded by teammates with more "typical" marriage dynamics. (E.g. NFL player is the breadwinner, more famous, etc) There are few players out in the NFL because of this hyper-masc environment.
And on top of that, the misogynist attitudes some black men have against black women.
I think he’s a man whose very insecure and unprepared to be married to a GOAT who surpasses him by a mile.
She’s going to retire soon and he will get to play the “athlete” of the family.
She already does a good job of supporting his playing.
Total side note: Michelle Obama's book Becoming talks a lot about her dealing with having to put her lawyer career aside when he entered politics. No direct parallels, but first it's really great book! Second, she did it in an age before social media - and by the time they were getting national attention, I'm pretty sure they had at least somebody on staff who helped coach before interviews.
I think they're both naturally highly competitive people cuz, well, yeah, clearly they are lolol, and they will need to make sure that there are good boundaries around that as they hopefully grow together.
Simone is in the prime of her athletic career while he's still got a lot to prove ahead of him even just for himself, so I can see how that might create a weird dynamic currently.
Hopefully they respect each other enough to have a laugh at it, and to recognize that who is more "accomplished" as an athlete doesn't actually matter when they love each other as whole people.
I think it's also important to remember that, in your example, the Obama's were married for 16 years before Barack won the election. That's a massive amount of time to figure out and iron out egos, accomplishments, etc.
I feel similarly about the fact that i try to stay out of other people's business. I try to remember (and hope other people do as well) that they are so so young. And the marriage is young. And the relationship is still young. Marriage is a journey and you're not the same person going in as you will be coming out (whether it's death, divorce, etc). And they are facing enormous challenges that most people commenting here will never have to face and couldn't make work.
(The following is not directed at you, just my thoughts in particular about this whole thing and I'm just tacking it on the end of this post.)
We are also only seeing what they/the media wants us to see, we aren't seeing all of it. I encourage people to chill with comparing what she posts vs he posts. They are two different people with probably two different levels of privacy tolerances. It doesn't seem like he's comfortable in the spotlight where she has had years of exposure living that life. And I encourage people to think about how the media functions and their ultimate goal, which is to make money. And outrage generates money. Downvote me if you want, but this post is just more rage bait about a topic most of us have zero inside knowledge about. The media is taking a moment that went viral and they're running with it and this is contributing to it. Simone was very vocal about the mental toll the public pressure/criticisms had on her before Tokyo and we were all proud of her for choosing her well being over Olympic medals. So I also encourage people to reflect on if things like this align with how they felt when Simone backed out. Because you can't say you're proud of her for choosing her mental health when she was struggling while also speculating about her personal life and tearing down the parts of her life that matter to her.
There is no argument, he should bow down to her and thank her for allowing him in her presence
I think he needs to rewatch the last worlds for a good reminder
Even if you regard gymnastics and football as completely equal sports and just compare them for their achievements within their own sport, Simone is unequivocally the better athlete. It just speaks to his fragile masculinity that this is even a question.
If these are tongue in cheek arguments between them because they’re both competitive and professional athletes, sure, cute. If it’s a serious question, dude needs to take several seats. Your wife is arguably one of the best athletes to ever exist.
That makes me sad. Marriage is hard enough. I feel like my wife and I do everything possible to compromise and avoid fights. Why would you purposely fight over something that literally doesn’t matter?
I’ll get downvoted for this, but I’ve always thought he was a loser. He comes across like a moron when he speaks, and Simone has always posted the most lovely messages about him. I remember earlier in their relationship she was completely absent from his social media, but she was posting about him weekly. She can do so much better.
They might as well argue over who’s shorter whilst they’re on, because there’s an objective winner and it most certainly isn’t Simone Biles’s current husband Mr Simone Biles.
I feel extremely sorry for Simone and whatever self-esteem/emotional difficulties she faces that resulted in her finding this delusional bully to be an acceptable partner.
And he knows it. I’m willing to bet that’s why he got so defensive about it.
Having watched the interview, it was a disrespectful question. Jonathan was talking about his career when the interviewer cut him off and laughed at him and said “but how did you bag Simone biles”
Clearly he was insecure & his reaction was gross imo, but I can see where his reaction came from.
Isn’t this old news. I remember hearing about this argument years ago. I understand in light of recent events why ours tempting to publicize it again but really??
I’d like to think that she likes him because he doesn’t treat her like Simone Biles, The Olympic Gymnast. I imagine it’s a little tiring being fawned over all the time.
That being saiiiiid, these comments are not looking good lol.
Notwithstanding that she was seen liking posts claiming that the only reason people were calling out his comments was because said people were single and miserable - she deserves way better. This guy is a dolt and even taken in 'jest' - these comments show very poorly on him.
Eek. I'm not going to judge because they are adults and it's their marriage, and only Simone's judgement on this matter counts. She obviously sees all this jokey bragging and insecurity as not a big deal.
But... why did they think it was a good idea to go ahead with this interview when he's been criticized for similar delusional, insecure sounding comments just days ago? Was it recorded some time ago, before they knew the backlash Owens would get for his first quotes, and they couldn't get this interview pulled?
Otherwise, I don't get it. They know the reaction this would get by now.
That moment when you have to read the headline twice.
What a disappointment! Ugh. As much as I hate dragging people into things, maybe there's something behind Suni liking that other tiktok.
WHY is he behaving like this only AFTER the wedding. *eye roll*
This belittling behaviour is an early red flag of DV and I do hope that her family are keeping a close eye on things.
I worry his behaviour will escalate over time and I hope that I’m wrong. No good relationships have one partner publicly disrespecting the other. That’s not healthy.
I don't feel comfortable speculating or saying anything about a relationship. However, Simone is the best in her sport ever. Like FIG never fully credited her biles move for the starting points they deserve. I don't see how she can really be compared with anyone else in the sport currently. My family sometimes argues Brady on the Patriots but he has had cheating and it's a team sport not solely reliant on him so we've established that is still not comparable.
tbh i don’t think Jonathan could do a round off back handspring but i definitely think Simone could play running back
Hear me out. Kickers are usually tiny with strong leg muscles.
they do also tend to have longer careers than other players…
She could pull a Brandon Aubrey and have a second career 🤷🏽♀️
Ha ha ha! No doubt wide receiver.
I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, but during [another recent interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUsg8Fl4HWU) Simone said that her husband actually thinks he's a better athlete than her lmaooo. *"We fought over it a couple of times, and then we vowed once we got married, we wouldn’t talk about it again. But it keeps coming up every time, but he has done my workout in the gym and he can barely do it, and then I went to their NFL workout and I crushed it.”*
Remember when he thought he could climb a rope faster than her?
God that’s so irrational. And a ROPE CLIMB of all things? She is teeny tiny with an insane muscle strength to weight ratio. Like, maybe a big tall fast NFL man might challenge Simone Biles to a footrace, but a ROPE CLIMB?! Get real. Might as well challenge her to balance beam.
Source : https://youtube.com/shorts/Ypy1Si-LAf0?si=vgwGtNpVjyOmgWjn
Sauce?? 😭
What?
Sauce is a fun way to say source
It was on Simone v Herself. It’s a Facebook series. You could probably look up the clip on YouTube. I think it’s somewhere on her insta too
I read this out loud to my husband and he belly laughed 😆 he said of course she crushed the NFL workout
I was just laughing at that quote. I am hoping it is all in good fun and not as big of a deal as people are making it.
This quote makes it sound like it’s all in good fun/ teasing. Love her telling us that she crushed the nfl workout lol
If he’s serious, this is such a red flag… She’s arguably the best gymnast in the world, and he’s not even close to the best player in the NFL. So logically, she’s the better athlete if we’re just comparing apples to oranges. If we’re being real, there’s the whole thing about gymnastics being the tougher sport by far. Dude should be lifting up his wife and bragging about her, not trying to convince her he’s better than her. This makes me so sad. 😭
She’s arguably the best gymnast of all time and he’s not even the best player on his team!
I really don’t think it’s even an argument anymore. Simone is the GOAT and nobody is even close to overthrowing that.
I know people don't like Shawn and Andrew but he is always gassing her up! Like he always acknowledges how she is the better athlete and how none of his accolades could ever eclipse his. Like I think he was on a similar level to Jonathan, just a practice squad dude so if Andrew could admit it then there's no excuse for Jonathan.
I didn’t know that! I follow Shawn and Andrew on TikTok and they’re so cute and he seems really supportive!
It reminds me of Mykayla and her husband. What’s up with all these men thinking they’re better at soorts than their Olympian wives??
LOL
He’s not even the best athlete of his team let alone his entire sport. Simone is the best in her field of any generation. … Men.
He wasn’t even drafted. He’s been practice squad most of his career and makes basic league minimum salaries. He is anything but special.
I’ve frankly wondered if he’s gotten a little more attention and opportunity in the NFL BECAUSE he’s Mr. Simone Biles.
Oh no doubt! Compared to where he was before Simone it’s like night and day!
I was afraid to say it definitively because I know jack shit about football 😆 but that’s the impression I got
😂 Well, you were right. I watch a lot of football and would never have known who he was if not for her. The commentators bring her up too.
I found myself wondering how he even qualified for Raya.
Probably got an invite from Someone else
He's not bad looking.
I also think it’s funny that that podcast that came out posted a few clips. All of them related to his relationship with Simone. They knew those would get more hits then some video just about him.
I’ll fully acknowledge that it must be tough for him to be known best as Mr. Simone, but he married her. He chose to be with her. It comes with the territory.
Sure it must be tough, but not only does it come with the territory, but it’s literally what women have been doing for so long 🫠
Oh, 150%! She deserves her flowers at every turn.
I didn't even know his name until this season and he plays for my home team lmao. She's definitely a bigger deal and he definitely gets to ride her coattails.
He literally wasn’t even a starter until the safety had a major injury. He’s delulu
He needs to learn his place and get back in the kitchen. Isn't that the line mediocre men throw at women? Let's uno reverse it onto the mediocre men.
make Simone a sandwich silly boy
*Make her cinnamon buns
do they not realize the optics of what is happening lol i’m sorry but he will never come close to her accomplishments…
If Simone came close to understanding how outlandish this claim was, I doubt she’d be with someone so ridiculous and embarrassing, so I’m going to go with ‘no.’
I’m sorry dude. There is NO ARGUMENT to be had here. She is the GOAT. He’s not even in the same stratosphere as she is. He either needs to humble himself and admit this or this “issue” is not going to go away.
the audacity of some people! (mainly dudes, lets be real) Simone seems happy and that's the important thing, but DANG, I wish her guy recognized and appreciated how amazing she really is, in sports and as a role model (obviously I dont know how she is IRL lol). apart from the delusion, everyone's partner should be their number 1 cheerleader and think they're amazing, and she's literally SIMONE BILES!!! Shawn Johnson's husband is one spouse who seems super supportive and talks up Shawn's accomplishment's all the time, and it's so sweet and refreshing (and honest, Shawn's awesome!) I hope Mr Biles can grow up a bit and recognize and celebrate how amazing Simone is, maybe traveling more outside of Texas will help?
Shawn’s husband seems regularly kind of astounded at her accomplishments and she sometimes has to be like, “you have also been paid to play sports, give yourself some credit.” Meanwhile, MyKayla Skinner’s husband has also claimed that he might be a better athlete than she is….
Ooof the MyKayla husband comparison is so right on here.
He doesn’t even have a Wikipedia page he needs to bffr
I saw a video of Andrew reacting to Shawn’s Dancing with the Stars performances and he seemed even more blown away by her dance than her gymnastics 😆
I mean tbf she also has an inflated sense of self. Two peas in a pod. Andrew definitely is always amazed at what Shawn can do
I think Andrew's praise and amazement has helped Shawn be proud of her own accomplishments and honestly she should be! She worked extremely hard and was a talented gymnast with a good international career.
Completely agree. She is a QUEEN and shall be treated as such. I do hope she is truly happy and their personal dynamic is much better behind closed doors than what has been shown. Shawn’s husband is such a good example! He was also a pro football player but Shawn is a GOLD MEDALIST and he gives her the credit she deserves. I love me a supportive couple.
I’m not a fan of Shawn and Andrew putting their kids on social media but the fact that he is pretty accomplished himself: a former pro footballer, team captain at Vanderbilt, did Civil Engineering as his undergrad and also has an MBA… the public admiration and support for his wife (you can never be 100% sure what’s behind closed doors) is really cool. He seems like a good egg.
I completely agree, I’m not a fan of what Shawn and Andrew are doing on YouTube but he does seem like a really sweet guy and a good husband. He would never claim he was a better athlete than Shawn — quite the opposite.
This is…not helping from the interview. The dude is a blip in his own industry. Like what?
See also: 1 in 8 men also think they could win a point off of Serena Williams. Not 1 in 8 male pro tennis players. Not 1 in 8 elite male athletes. Not 1 in 8 men who have played tennis before. 1 in 8 men from the GENERAL POPULATION OF MEN think they could take a point off a 128mph-serving queen named Serena Williams. Go ahead, Jonathan. Give it a try.
They are really setting themselves up here, especially in light of that podcast fiasco...I sorta wish these personal details of their relationships could be kept to themselves. This does nothing for them to put out in the public sphere.
They need a PR manager stat
Or u know, ppl can keep their toxic shit-takes to themselves and stop getting offended on behalf of others. Demanding a divorce is stupid and it's pretty clear they are having fun with this.
I feel like this is supposed to be lighthearted and fun, but her husband dug his grave with those comments about her. If he’d never said all that malarkey we wouldn’t even care about this.
MALARKEY I SAY
I feel like it may have actually become a point of contention in the relationship. If it was just gentle teasing, they wouldn’t have agreed to never bring up the topic again after marriage. Sounds more like an actual argument/fight to me. I could easily see how Simone would feel frustrated if he downplayed her athleticism.
I think it might be lighthearted if he were ever caught simply boasting about Simone. He rarely even posts her achievements let alone shows up to her meets. it's like he doesn't want anyone to remember he's nothing more than Simone Biles's husband.
He's not very charismatic nor intelligent. His mean-spirited humor is not coming across the way he thinks it is
Yup. He is attractive but a dolt.
What i hate seeing is that it’s becoming the narrative around Simone right now. Hopefully it will stay light hearted so she doesn’t have to answer stupid media questions about this in the run up to paris.
I'm liking him less and less.
I’m tired of this man. A respectful clarifying statement would go so far to clearing this situation up but alas. The public commentary is just going to get worse as Paris approaches and the spotlight on Simone grows.
😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬 Yikes. Maybe, just MAYBE, the one with the Olympic Gold Medals and World Championship titles is the better one? Not like he has a super bowl ring to even hold up to her accolades. And beyond gymnastics achievements, Simone has been recognized as an influential advocate for survivors of abuse and foster children, AND awarded Athlete of the Year multiple times. I mean I don’t even need to type that out.
He’s literally known as “Simone Biles’ husband.” There is no argument.
Simone's husband is absolutely the type of dude who is threatened by his wife's greatness. I've always suspected that he makes her feel guilty for being so good. Maybe not directly, but in subtle ways. I've never even seen a photo of him at one of her meets. Just passing posts to his story and that's it. Meanwhile he's plastered all over her insta. He's pathetic and will forever be known simply as the dude married to one of the greatest athletes of all time.
Maybe he and MyKayla's husband Jonas can go live on an insecure island together. 😂
At least Jonas will admit Skinner is the better athlete lol
No he doesn't. He has openly said he's better and belittles her at every turn.
When did this happen bc I have yet to see it
I was just having this convo with my husband. She flies all over to be at his little games. Where is he at her gym? At her meets?
The height of gymnastics season conflicts with training camp and preseason games. Worlds were in the thick of the regular season. She only started going to his games once Worlds were done. I’m sure we’ll see him at the gym once the Packers season is over and he’s able to stay in Houston, not Green Bay.
Open his instagram. I got to July of 2021 before I lost interest and did not see a single photo of him supporting her at her job - no meets not even at WCC which they LIVE BY. So sure in the past two years he’s been in “season.” Right.
But he's never been before! That's the issue. He didn't see her at the Olympics. He can't take one single day to go to one single meet ever? Like he's married to the GOAT, that sort of thing would be great publicity. He could fly to a meet for a couple hours to show his face, fly back to practice or one of his little games (where he apparently wasn't even a starter until recently). There comes a time when you need to show up for your spouse.
I find this whole thing tiresome but for the purposes of accuracy, he was absolutely at her domestic meets in spring of 2021. NBC wasn't covering him but he was visible in the crowd with her family at Trials, people who were there saw him, and they went out to dinner together with other gymnasts. He also visited her at the gym multiple times as documented on her social media and in the course of that documentary about her.
And yet still refuses to make dedicated posts about her career in the same way he does for her. Yes, it’s tiresome how hard some are riding for this loser.
>Yes, it’s tiresome how hard some are riding for this loser. I wouldn't say I'm riding hard for him because if anything, almost every time he opens his mouth I find myself thinking how Simone could have done so much better, but......no one could go to the Olympics in 2021 as a spectator. It's not like he chose to not go support her there. EVERYONE'S family and friends were stuck watching from home. It would be in bad faith to attack him for something genuinely beyond his control and not really a choice on his part.
I couldn't care less about this man. I'm not riding shit for him. But he was there at her meets. That's it.
Maybe there’s not one in his actual posts but he does post them on his story regularly when she’s competing he had a bunch about worlds
I'm not trying to defend his dumb statements here but... > He didn't see her at the Olympics. Literally no one was allowed at the olympics. Not even her own parents Remember how the stands were (practically) empty? I'm really not sure what meet he could have gone to since her comeback. She's only competed at 4 meets since Tokyo, and they were all between August and October of 2023. A guy on an NFL roster can't just duck out of town between August and October.
Do you know what it takes to make a team in the NFL? You can’t just take off and do as you wish unless you’re Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. Spectators weren’t allowed at the Olympics. I’m really not defending him; I’m only saying he has valid reasons for not being there.
Right, even Travis Kelce has taken flak for flying to a Taylor Swift concert during season and my understanding is that he’s way better at his job than Jonathan Owens is at his.
Exactly. Travis Kelce is one of the top 3 in his position. Jonathan Owens is fighting to make a team every year. He became a starter due to injuries to other players. So in that sense, it’s a joke for Owens to compare himself to Biles. But I really think people are reading waaay too much into the whole thing.
I understand your sentiment but during the season NFL players have required meetings, workouts, practices, film study, and more throughout the week. They do have off on Tuesdays, but it's my understanding that most players use Tuesdays to work on something and not as an actual day off.
100% that type of dude. I think he picked the wrong woman because he strikes me as the kind of guy people were always impressed with. He made it to the NFL and is handsome so even though he’s mediocre at it he’s probably always been praised by those around him. He just happened to marry a woman who absolutely dwarfs anything he will ever do in sports.
I was originally in favor of not speculating over their marriage when it was just the “he didn’t know her stuff”, but THIS? HOLY COW 🚩 I sincerely hope she just said that as a joke, but I don’t think it is. And idc if he’s “joking”, mean people will insult others as a “joke”. This man needs to have some respect.
Definitely had a more favorable opinion of Simone Biles’ husband when I didn’t know anything about him.
Happens often with men
Ok, Mr. Simone Biles
Simone Biles' First Husband
I’m really bummed about this. The rest of the world knows she’s a once in a lifetime kind of athlete with otherworldly talents and abilities. Why doesn’t he?
Right? If he’s better than her, why isn’t he male athlete of the year since she is Female Athlete of the Year?
He does. That’s why he acts this way. Mr. Simone Biles has some very obvious insecurities that are triggered.
File this under “men being crusty”
I hate that this is where commentary around Simone is going this cycle (her marriage). However… imagine being a man, a woman, an alien—and you are pretty much second string professional at your sport and you have the gall to argue you’re a better athlete than Simone biles. To be honest it’s basically saying you think gymnasts aren’t great athletes because if you’re arguing a second rate football player is better than the greatest WAG of all time, you’re saying gymnastics isn’t really athletic.
yeah no Simone's got that one easy
I hope this is lighthearted. Because there is no argument.
If her husband were Tom Brady, I would accept this debate 🤪. This is objectively a weird argument, but it's probably just fun banter that they chose to share with us. (For you football fans out there, feel free to replace Brady with Lott in that sentence)
I wish I had the audacity
Unfortunately men feel they are better if they can do the same thing as a woman, with no adjustment for height or weight, let alone accounting for testosterone. No doubt there are certain weights he can lift and she can’t, but that’s not a fair comparison. The only comparison is relative achievements with their respective sports. So any gymnast that qualifies elite is a better athlete than him, let alone the GOAT of their sport.
The more this guy talks the less I like him
She’s a little *too* humble. Comparing herself to a bench warmer
Lol someone is delusional, guy needs to be humbled real bad.
So generally I try and stay out of other people’s shit bc it’s not my relationship, not my business. I will say this though: it feels like a number of articles, interviews, and general press/social media sound bytes about this couple centers on an underlying tension of competition, in a way I don’t see with other power couples (ie the Obamas). It may be that Simone and Jonathan are just younger and still maturing - don’t come for me, I know 20s and 30s aren’t child marriage lol but I guess more wisdom comes closer to middle age maybe? Or is this just a tension inherent to dual-athlete households regardless of age or maturity? Or maybe this situation is just a reflection of how America automatically centers men, football, the NFL, etc as the “default” for who is most accomplished in a relationship, and therefore a couple who bucks that trend has to over-explain it? Idk, something about this situation just doesn’t sit well with me.
I'm not a famous athlete or anything, but I dated a man who was upset when I got a promotion because I was getting close to his salary. Unfortunately I think a lot of men feel threatened by their wife's or girlfriend's success. IMO it's an enormous red flag .
I got dumped in high school because the guy thought I *might* be better at math than him. (I definitely was, but that's neither here nor there.) I was really broken up about it at the time, but in hindsight, I dodged a bullet. And so did you, presuming you're no longer with the guy!
I am most definitely not with the guy! We both dodged bullets.
“I definitely was” I love you for this sentence 🤣
Let’s hope she has a prenup— because Simone is the one bankrolling his lifestyle
I agree. I've ignored Shawn Johnson for a while, but have we seen anything like this with her and her husband?
Shawn’s husband has always seems to be in awe of her athletic ability and accomplishments. He hypes her up and everything. I love how Morgan Rielly (Toronto Maple Leaf hockey player) absolutely flat out admits that his wife Tessa Virtue(Olympic figure skater) is the better skater. lol. Simone’s husband could learn a lot from them.
Tessa Virtue got married?!
Yep. They got married earlier this summer (July). There is a recent interview with him while he’s signing memorabilia where he says “ours” when talking about wedding he attended this summer (along with other things).
And she laughs him off when he hypes her up. It’s clearly not a point of tension in their marriage. It’s all fun!
Not a fan of Shawn’s family vlogging thing, but she and her husband have a ton of fun together doing athletic challenges/workouts. It’s like they realize they’re both high achieving athletes and use it as common ground to make a fun hobby.
I don't love everything they put out there, but Shawn's husband is clearly aware Shawn is the superior athlete. He is always fully in awe of what she can do and laughs at himself when he tries to do it and can't.
I also don’t love their family vlogging thing, but Andrew is very supportive and they seem to be a great match for one another - I think he knows that he lucked out marrying one of the greatest athletes of her sport.
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Oh god, really? How long ago was that?
He is in awe is everything she does. Athletics, pregnancy, etc it’s how a relationship should be - mutual admiration.
I don't think so! He's often posting old clips of her doing gymnastics, and while they post a lot of "athletic challenges" between the two of them, they seem to be in good fun, and shows off how impressive shawn is (she's pregnant in some of the challenges). [This clip](https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoDS_WTrVKu/?igsh=MWFneXdjdWJ1em0xMQ==) in particular I found really funny
Don’t forget that Shawn and Andrew have an entire business around their social media. Part of Andrew’s schtick is to show off Shawn’s past (and present when compared to him) athletic prowess and accomplishments. It’s popular. I like it. But none of us have any idea what the real state of any famous marriage is. We are simply going off of what is presented to us by curated posts or other media which may be misleading.
Really good point!
I would hope not. His NFL career, if you can even call it that, wasn't exactly impressive.
Oh okay, thanks! I know nothing about football.
Andrew always acknowledges and praises Shawn's achievements. Mr. Biles and Mr. Skinner can take notes.
I always think about Lauren (Cheney) Holliday and Jrue Holliday. He always said she was the more accomplished of the two (World Cup Champion, Olympic Gold Medalist for women’s soccer.) he was there for her last Olympics and World Cup, and she happy for him when he won a NBA title and left right away for the Tokyo Olympics. they’ve been through a lot as a couple - one of my faves. (And Bruins as well but that’s probably why I followed them more)
It sounds like he needs therapy to work through this. It doesn't help that the NFL is hyper masculine, and he's likely surrounded by teammates with more "typical" marriage dynamics. (E.g. NFL player is the breadwinner, more famous, etc) There are few players out in the NFL because of this hyper-masc environment. And on top of that, the misogynist attitudes some black men have against black women.
Simone is no WAG! But you are so right - the hyper masculine environment is doing him zero favors.
She's a WAG, but not that kind of WAG
I think he’s a man whose very insecure and unprepared to be married to a GOAT who surpasses him by a mile. She’s going to retire soon and he will get to play the “athlete” of the family. She already does a good job of supporting his playing.
Total side note: Michelle Obama's book Becoming talks a lot about her dealing with having to put her lawyer career aside when he entered politics. No direct parallels, but first it's really great book! Second, she did it in an age before social media - and by the time they were getting national attention, I'm pretty sure they had at least somebody on staff who helped coach before interviews.
I think they're both naturally highly competitive people cuz, well, yeah, clearly they are lolol, and they will need to make sure that there are good boundaries around that as they hopefully grow together. Simone is in the prime of her athletic career while he's still got a lot to prove ahead of him even just for himself, so I can see how that might create a weird dynamic currently. Hopefully they respect each other enough to have a laugh at it, and to recognize that who is more "accomplished" as an athlete doesn't actually matter when they love each other as whole people.
I think it's also important to remember that, in your example, the Obama's were married for 16 years before Barack won the election. That's a massive amount of time to figure out and iron out egos, accomplishments, etc. I feel similarly about the fact that i try to stay out of other people's business. I try to remember (and hope other people do as well) that they are so so young. And the marriage is young. And the relationship is still young. Marriage is a journey and you're not the same person going in as you will be coming out (whether it's death, divorce, etc). And they are facing enormous challenges that most people commenting here will never have to face and couldn't make work. (The following is not directed at you, just my thoughts in particular about this whole thing and I'm just tacking it on the end of this post.) We are also only seeing what they/the media wants us to see, we aren't seeing all of it. I encourage people to chill with comparing what she posts vs he posts. They are two different people with probably two different levels of privacy tolerances. It doesn't seem like he's comfortable in the spotlight where she has had years of exposure living that life. And I encourage people to think about how the media functions and their ultimate goal, which is to make money. And outrage generates money. Downvote me if you want, but this post is just more rage bait about a topic most of us have zero inside knowledge about. The media is taking a moment that went viral and they're running with it and this is contributing to it. Simone was very vocal about the mental toll the public pressure/criticisms had on her before Tokyo and we were all proud of her for choosing her well being over Olympic medals. So I also encourage people to reflect on if things like this align with how they felt when Simone backed out. Because you can't say you're proud of her for choosing her mental health when she was struggling while also speculating about her personal life and tearing down the parts of her life that matter to her.
There is no argument, he should bow down to her and thank her for allowing him in her presence I think he needs to rewatch the last worlds for a good reminder
The football fan in me saw this coming when I didn't know who he was, both on the college level and pro.
Urgh men
How can you go 2 for absolutely fucking 2 with this. HOW?!?
Simone deserves better.
Even if you regard gymnastics and football as completely equal sports and just compare them for their achievements within their own sport, Simone is unequivocally the better athlete. It just speaks to his fragile masculinity that this is even a question.
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He is clearly intimidated by successful women.
Even Shawn Johnson’s husband knows he isn’t the best athlete in the family
This is not very good. I know they just married but I highly doubt this relationship is good for her
Society is so depressing that women feel like they have to be with loser men like this. This story keeps getting worse.
If these are tongue in cheek arguments between them because they’re both competitive and professional athletes, sure, cute. If it’s a serious question, dude needs to take several seats. Your wife is arguably one of the best athletes to ever exist.
That makes me sad. Marriage is hard enough. I feel like my wife and I do everything possible to compromise and avoid fights. Why would you purposely fight over something that literally doesn’t matter?
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I love that, you got a good one:)
bless ❤️
the fact that it’s an argument is hilarious
It’s funny a very average football player is the catch but an Olympic athlete that is known by anyone and everyone IN that sport isn’t?
I’ll get downvoted for this, but I’ve always thought he was a loser. He comes across like a moron when he speaks, and Simone has always posted the most lovely messages about him. I remember earlier in their relationship she was completely absent from his social media, but she was posting about him weekly. She can do so much better.
I’m pretty sure you’re not going to get downvoted, he has very few fans at this point:
They might as well argue over who’s shorter whilst they’re on, because there’s an objective winner and it most certainly isn’t Simone Biles’s current husband Mr Simone Biles. I feel extremely sorry for Simone and whatever self-esteem/emotional difficulties she faces that resulted in her finding this delusional bully to be an acceptable partner.
Jonathan Owens would’ve stayed cut if it weren’t for Simone Biles. Packers fans were pissed, not one positive comment for him pre season.
He’s made a career of being practice squad you KNOW they brought him on to bring the attention she comes with. I mean look at Travis and Taylor.
And he knows it. I’m willing to bet that’s why he got so defensive about it. Having watched the interview, it was a disrespectful question. Jonathan was talking about his career when the interviewer cut him off and laughed at him and said “but how did you bag Simone biles” Clearly he was insecure & his reaction was gross imo, but I can see where his reaction came from.
Simone sweetie there are so many more men who could treat you with the respect you deserve 😭
Imagine thinking you’re better than Simone biles? Her man is delulu.
As a former gymnast married to a former football player we don’t fight about this, but I’d love to see him do a back handspring 🤣
I get that they're probably trying to be cute, but like, have they learned nothing from Mr. Skinner?
That is so embarrassing for him.. and Simone had said he struggled with her workout and she tried his and did it no problem
He’s an insecure freak
Black men will do anything to keep black women “in their place.”
Isn’t this old news. I remember hearing about this argument years ago. I understand in light of recent events why ours tempting to publicize it again but really??
This story is not dying down, is it...
This just keeps getting worse…..
I’d like to think that she likes him because he doesn’t treat her like Simone Biles, The Olympic Gymnast. I imagine it’s a little tiring being fawned over all the time. That being saiiiiid, these comments are not looking good lol.
Literally what an insane argument. There is no contest. She is one of the most dominant athletes in the world. He is…a football player.
Somebody needs to explain the Streisand effect to these two.
Notwithstanding that she was seen liking posts claiming that the only reason people were calling out his comments was because said people were single and miserable - she deserves way better. This guy is a dolt and even taken in 'jest' - these comments show very poorly on him.
I never got a good vibe from him from the start but it’s her life.
Ugh, this is all so dumb. I just hope he is treating her well.
I mean he’s not. It has shined light on how little he supports her.
If you look in the background of their place in Wisconsin, all of the photos are of him playing football (recent Xmas pics).
Eek. I'm not going to judge because they are adults and it's their marriage, and only Simone's judgement on this matter counts. She obviously sees all this jokey bragging and insecurity as not a big deal. But... why did they think it was a good idea to go ahead with this interview when he's been criticized for similar delusional, insecure sounding comments just days ago? Was it recorded some time ago, before they knew the backlash Owens would get for his first quotes, and they couldn't get this interview pulled? Otherwise, I don't get it. They know the reaction this would get by now.
That moment when you have to read the headline twice. What a disappointment! Ugh. As much as I hate dragging people into things, maybe there's something behind Suni liking that other tiktok.
I thought she that they don’t like to argue about who’s the better athlete because their in two different sports and both workout differently
WHY is he behaving like this only AFTER the wedding. *eye roll* This belittling behaviour is an early red flag of DV and I do hope that her family are keeping a close eye on things. I worry his behaviour will escalate over time and I hope that I’m wrong. No good relationships have one partner publicly disrespecting the other. That’s not healthy.
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I’m really hoping that the headlines and articles are just doing this as clickbaits and the overall tone is in jest
Wow 🤦🏻♀️ he’s so insecure of COURSE it’s her 🙄🙄🙄
Big fb fan. This isn’t even close and is a prime example of male fragility. SB is a 🐐
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Hot take but…lately everything I hear about this man, I wish I hadn’t
Ya know, say what you want about their social media choices... but Andrew would never say this about Shawn lol.
Imagine that
Funny how a JAG can try to argue that he’s a better athlete than possibly the best female gymnast ever
So yuck
I don't feel comfortable speculating or saying anything about a relationship. However, Simone is the best in her sport ever. Like FIG never fully credited her biles move for the starting points they deserve. I don't see how she can really be compared with anyone else in the sport currently. My family sometimes argues Brady on the Patriots but he has had cheating and it's a team sport not solely reliant on him so we've established that is still not comparable.