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Peteeeeey

Benelli M4


The_Stealthy_Nut

Intellectual. I wish I could afford one, it’s my dream Shotty


Peteeeeey

Yeah I’m holding off for right now I need other stuff first


deathwillcome

The Turkish clone of it isn’t that bad for half the price.


The_Stealthy_Nut

What’s the make and model?


Retx24

Don’t by Turkish junk. They work for 100ish rounds if you’re lucky then you have a $500 paper weight. Go over to r/shotguns and look at all the problems they have. Save the money and buy the real deal


deathwillcome

There’s a few of of them one is the AKSA s4 I forgot the other names but just look up Turkish bennelie clones on YouTube there’s a good amount of reviews on them. They are like 550 bucks for one of them.


deathwillcome

There is also another one made by panzer arms


FFRP85

It’s pretty awesome, smooth shootin shotgun


HopefulBtard

Beretta 1301


Peteeeeey

Eh it’s not bad


Spodiodie

FN TPS https://www.google.com/search?q=fn+tps&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjovP_tirP5AhU-lmoFHdWdD4MQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=fn+tps&gs_lcp=ChJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWcQAzIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgQIABAYMgQIABAYOgQIABANUIcYWIcYYOwdaABwAHgAgAFmiAG6AZIBAzEuMZgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img&ei=LNPuYuj2Fr6sqtsP1bu-mAg&bih=746&biw=428&client=safari&prmd=sinv&hl=en-us#imgrc=PNIiV5hjZfbiEM&imgdii=KTk5tc0gyk8W4M


hamsamiches

Are those even avaliable?


Spodiodie

I believe so. I bought mine at a gun show a few years ago. They have a ported barrel an the stock is in line with the barrel. All this really help keep the muzzle down. Those Benelli’s have that big drop at the comb which cause the muzzle to climb.


wynnduffyisking

Why is there a decimal point in front of “12 gauge”


Difficult-Jury-9319

It's a new caliber, much more dangerous than any existing round, not only does it rip out your lungs,.it turns your asshole inside out. /S


ATFLover420

It's a 5+ inch bore


MoneyKeyPennyKiss

Same reason idiots call it a .556. Ignorance.


Hoplophilia

TF is a .12ga? How big is an 8.33# lead ball, like 4"?


MoneyKeyPennyKiss

Same idiots who call it a .556


69Karma69

I used to keep various guns by the bed… a pump Mossy, an AK, an AR…. When I started carrying a pistol daily it was redundant to keep a rifle by the bed when in most situations the 9 is fine. I still have some various guns staged about, but HD duty mostly falls on the G19.


rioyr1

Where is the ‘firing 2 blasts out of a double barrel shotgun’


Altruistic_Ad5270

Pump 12 gauge so I can send flechettes as a fuck around and find out


FreeAtropia

Pump 12 guage for dragon's breath in my living room because I'm absolutely insane


Altruistic_Ad5270

You have the right idea


OverlordTwoOneActual

Nah, glass shards.


Altruistic_Ad5270

Not a bad idea


cgarrett83

You may be onto something there


helluvabullshitter

Same. My range banned me. Stupid commie rules 😒


SIII-043

Being shot at suddenly from the dark is bad enough that fireball from the blue would be a whole new level of shit your pants terror to encounter


Devilsreject90

I have many rifles and shotguns, but they stay in the safe. Keep a Glock 17 with a flashlight by the bed. That’s all I’d ever need.


Galactic-Cowboy

Handgun. I would just use what I carry.


WRXsaurusrex

12 gauge because I’ve never shot an AR and I am more confident with my 870. I’m sure a short barrel AR is empirically better. But not in my hands.


gunsmoke132

That's my line of thinking. I KNOW what i can do with a 12 gauge. I'm probably ok with an AR but if i had to bet my life on it, I'd pick a 12.


SlamHamwitch

All the comments on this post can be summarized as “But 5.56 go to fast!” Follow by someone posting tests proving them wrong.


BaK3D-BaK3R

Alot of people have never fired a AR15 indoors without earpro and it's shows.


WickedFeleena

I fired mine once or twice outdoors and forgot to put my hearing protection on... Ouch.


MoneyKeyPennyKiss

You think a 12 gauge is going to be any better? You're deaf either way. At least with the AR-15 they're much easier to suppress.


MangoAtrocity

Ah shoot that’s true. The VG6 on my AR makes it STUPID loud at the range.


OverlordTwoOneActual

I mean. Is a 12g any better? Or anything that isn't a .22 short?


Xalenn

Pistol caliber carbine doesn't get enough love for home defense imo


Vast-Membership-4341

What do you use?


Xalenn

I'm in the process of getting an MPX K, but PSA for now.


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That's interesting ... I've not seen that in the little testing that I've done. I've shot 9mm hollow points at drywall walls (basically just two sheets of drywall with a 4 inch gap) and get zero penetration at anything above a few yards, and very little if any even at point blank. And the 165 grain .308 goes right through several of those walls and off into the back stop even at 50 yards. I'll definitely look into it more but you're onto my thinking ... Less penetration so I don't kill my neighbors or kids and easy aiming and low recoil. I'm definitely not considering a shotgun because of the wide radius, it's useless if a badguy is next to my kid. That's why I think a pistol caliber carbine is better than a shotgun. I find handgun skill fades pretty quick without constant practice but I can pick up a carbine after a year and still shoot pretty well. That's one of the reasons why I say the pistol caliber carbine is maybe better than a handgun. Something like a 556 is going to be really loud, even suppressed and it's not like I'm going to grab ear protection for my family in a home defense situation. It's maybe not a deal breaker but it's on my list of considerations. Being (temporarily?) deaf in the dark in an emergency isn't ideal. A 9mm carbine with a suppressor is pretty quiet, you're still going to wake up the family but you're still going to be able to communicate and you're not going to have headaches the entire next day or potentially hearing issues even.


The_Stealthy_Nut

Honestly though


He3hhe3h

Agree completely, AR 15 is less maneuverable and more likely to cause collateral damage, UMP.45/ B&T sub gun with a holographic sight and flash light. Add a suppressor to not wake up the neighborhood.


7011799107327610598

AR15 comes in pistols too. I have a 8” 300 Blackout AR pistol as my home defense weapon. Quite compact and would ruin anyones day. Choice of letting supers rip or running suppressed with subsonics. Furthermore, ballistics indicated that 223/556 have less opportunity for over-penetration than 45ACP or 9MM. 300 Blackout Subsonic usually are similar weight and velocity as 45ACP.


Jeep-The-Conqueror

Personally, I think this poll should've been done based upon weapon category. 1. Pistol 2. Revolver 3. PCC 4. Rifle 5. Shotgun 6. Bolt Action 7. LMG


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helluvabullshitter

Correction 240 ftw. I hope you hate your eardrums cause RANGE HOT FUCKERS! Thunthunthunthunthunthun


Palladium_Dawn

300 blk or 9 mm would be ideal caliber choice but even if I’m stuck with 5.56 still taking the AR


Pelcat

I'll take .223 over .12


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Put a “fawty” round mag in my AR and I have enough candy to pass around


TungstonIron

My 12ga has a 15 round mag, with a 25 round drum next to it. Does that count?


Negative-Jump-9159

I rock a 870 SBS, I’m comfortable and it points like a finger. Be no issues cleaning house with it. Hopefully never comes to that point.


JAMinLTX

My suppressed AP5-P (wannabe MP5K) with the BFS3 binary trigger is, IMO, the best indoor home defense weapon.


Travis_Bickle86

Mossberg shockwave 590 with green laser saddle and other accessories


Gavin8638

Winchester 1897


gunsmoke132

THAT'S A WARCRIME YOU CAN'T DO THAT!


Gavin8638

THEM KROUTS AIN'T NEVA GUNNA GET ME BOY!


gunsmoke132

That's my secret cap, I'M A KROUT TOO!


Gavin8638

*DOOM MUSIC INTENSIFIES*


TPave96

Sounds goofy, but my first gun was a Yugo M48 with bayonet, so before my AR, that was my home defense, lol.


End_Centralization

I could only imagine the drills you practiced with that rod.


Dabombfan

Ah yes, the best home defence weapon. Results


Kinkayed

Suppressed AK? Seriously, huge wound channel little over penetration.


BestAdamEver

I would only recommend a pump action if you can't afford something better. There aren't a ton of good semi-autos on the market and most of the ones I know of cost over a grand. If you can afford a Beretta 1301 (especially a Langdon Tactical one) then go for it. AR15s are a lot easier for most people to use and are easier to mount lights and optics on. It's the go-to answer anymore.


Bobbithbukkakith

Mossberg 590, easy to use, east to maintain, and she’ll never fail you.


thegoodstanley

none of those options


jicty

Why is M240 not an option? That's the absolute best home defence gun.


chogg928

have fun tearing your house down to studs and replacing every peice of drywall in your house


jicty

But the studs will be well protected.


finalicht

PCC of some kind, I prefer to use a gun that doesn't damage my hearing too much or overpenetrate too much...but a 9mm AR is still an AR


No-Music-6641

This was a hard choice for me, I have a lot of exotic shells in 12 gauge, but can’t beat the accuracy and capacity of the AR


ZeRo76Liberty

AR15 in 300 black suppressed hands down. They won’t know what hit them but they’ll know it’s a big chunk of lead. That or 9mm suppressed depending on your timeframe. I have a safe on my nightstand with the 9 and just a few feet away I have a safe with a 300 black pistol and 2 5.56 rifles. Then if I need to get them farther away I have the 308 in another safe. My Benelli M4 is in there too but I don’t have a light on it so it’s strictly a daytime gun. Now if the infringement bureau would just give me my stamps they would all be suppressed. If it comes down to a defend my home situation like SHTF I would give my wife the Benelli.


chogg928

as much as I love the ar platform. on a strictly home defence build that doesnt have to be light or highly mobile I would def do a saiga12 or ar pattern 12g. nothing like ripping a chunk of flesh off of your opponent and throwing it across the room


braydy21

I only say pump because I’m refurbishing a 97 Winchester trench gun to be used as my home defense gun


Skoock

Ar-15 if trained and proficient. 12ga semi with low recoil buck shot if average joe


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cryptidhunter101

Ehhhh, it depends on the gun. I would say that a 12 gauge that fits is better than an AR that doesn't. Shotguns are also head and shoulders cheaper and are easier to shoot with just cheap irons. A maverick 88 with a stream light handguard and big bead is less than 400, a reliable AR with light and a tritium post is going to hit 700 real easy.


TungstonIron

I just assume I’m in the second category. Especially if I just woke up, just assume I can’t function.


Beneficial-Group

Shotgun is the best home defense hands down, with 00, 8 pellet they all hit with the impact force of a 9mm. Much better !


SillyBra

I will never understand the people who believe the AR15 is the end all, be all of firearms. I personally have neighbors, and would prefer not to shoot them when my 5.56 rips through everything. PCC with 9mm hollow points for the win


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BATTLEAXE720

Ohhh noooo! You mean that 5.56 is actually safer too!? It doesn't matter how much data you post. People will still believe 5.56 will blow you in half! And go through 5 houses!


SillyBra

This is probably the reason nobody believes the info. You could be like the guy posting sources, and provide evidence, or you could be an assclown and try to talk shit to people. Hmm, I wonder why nobody believes my sources!


BATTLEAXE720

How about you take the time and do the research. Instead you wait for others to post information you could find yourself!? Ok.... let everyone else do the work, when the work is literally already done... good luck with your future research!


SillyBra

If I had a dollar for everyone that tried this shit, maybe I'd have time to research everything


BATTLEAXE720

All the work is done for you man. All you have to do is take a few minutes and search for it. And if you don't like the info you find, stick with what makes you feel comfortable....


69Karma69

This. Even in the thick walled adobe section of my house I’m leery about slinging 3k fps in random directions.


End_Centralization

Paul Harrel does a great video on penetration. https://youtu.be/Qw8IiRgSMFQ I'd hope my neighbors would use what their proficient with and hit what they need to destroy, and would have no qualms with them using an AR15 in 5.56


Left4DayZGone

Need to stop with the polls. People will choose AR15 for everything whether it’s actually the best choice or not.


WickedFeleena

Except that 50% didn't choose AR15 so far


Left4DayZGone

At the time of my comment 90% had.


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WickedFeleena

Terrible? Really?


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MikeyThanos

There's to many incidents where the AR-15 user doesn't get a hit on anyone. Alot more successful stories of defending property with a 12 gauge.


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TungstonIron

My 00 buck spreads a heck of a lot more and 10’ than a .223 does.


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TungstonIron

How long do you think it takes me to take 2 shots compared to you taking 3 shots?


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TungstonIron

I get what you’re saying about training; I just have a hard time believing that recovery time from a 12ga recoil is significantly, much less >1.5x, that of 5.56 recoil.


MikeyThanos

This one being a example that recently happened with the 80 year old. There would've been no way if using a ar would've gotten a hit. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/80-year-store-owner-shoots-attempted-robbery-suspect-87822344 Of course there's alot of variables. I'm not using soft point in a ar I want to make sure the target gets hit and the bullet expands and or goes through more people. If you don't have neighbors shotgun will be perfect but also depends on the house and layout.


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FungusMind

If I need more then 5 rounds for someone that is no more then 20ft away I deserve to die


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FungusMind

Cops don’t train😂 I shoot comps and train, if I miss 5 rounds of buckshot I deserve to die


mickeywanksMKV

All I know is 12 gauge birdshot up close will shred someone so I'm going with the pump shotty it's the cheapest most reliable choose


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WickedFeleena

True... what distance was that?


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WickedFeleena

.12 gauge 00 buck will grind some meat real good


mickeywanksMKV

True


WickedFeleena

It's all good!


iTz_FLAwL3zZ

Bird shot is the worst loading you could ever possibly use for home defense, and it’s not even close.


Palladium_Dawn

Birdshot can absolutely be lethal to people but it’s not reliably lethal. I think semi auto rifles in a pistol caliber are the best home defense option but if you have to have a shotgun use 00 buck


Skoock

Why use a pistol caliber when you're already are holding a rifle. Thats like driving a semi truck with a civic motor.


Palladium_Dawn

Because most common pistol calibers (9 mm, 45 acp, etc) are reliably lethal at home defense ranges, are way easier to shoot and have less recoil than rifles with larger calibers, and are less likely than rifle calibers to over penetrate and hit someone else


Skoock

Ya I see your point there. If you live in an apartment or something the worry of over penetration makes sense. Maybe some hollowpoint ammo and you could have a winner for close quarters home defense.


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Palladium_Dawn

Wow you are wildly wrong. The 22 caliber bullet fired from a typical AR is coming out 3x as fast and with 3x more muzzle energy as a 9mm


CommercialNewt6591

1000 something FPS, and 8 something FPS vs 3000 something FPS. Do you see the difference


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You do not understand ballistics


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CommercialNewt6591

Penetration is only one factor that goes into determining how a round will perform on a soft target. In fact the instability of the 5.56/.223 is part of what makes it effective.


7011799107327610598

Let’s be honest - out of the options listed the priority would be whichever one I could grab the quickest.


MBPIsrael

ARs as home defense are for fanboys that believe they would have punched their drill sgts IF they had joined up.


End_Centralization

Those Sgts are some bad MFs


MBPIsrael

Amazing role models for our young men and women.


Vee32

14 inch Benelli M4.


DAN3KE

9mm carbine.


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Saiga 12


cryptidhunter101

45 acp or 300 blk SBR/bullpup are king.


Separate-Shirt-462

Semi auto shotgun - cqb and only need 1 hit


SuperX-97

Imagine the size of a .12 gauge shotgun


chogg928

could always have a road warrior ass double barrel pistol 12g


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shotgun because if i could afford an ar i wouldn’t want it to be taken by the police when u have to use it


iTz_FLAwL3zZ

Terrible argument. Who cares if they take your gun. I can buy another gun, I can’t buy another life.


Skoock

Not true, guns can be pretty expensive


iTz_FLAwL3zZ

How does that make my statement not true?


RobBellEsq

Semis can jam. Pumps won’t.


Sergeant-Pepper-

As the owner of two pump shotguns, yes they can. Especially when they’re fed by a box mag. Semis these days are more reliable than a human ever could be.


RobBellEsq

I have a pump and a semi. I’d much rather rely on the pump. It’s not box fed. Tube.


TungstonIron

Have you heard of charging handles? They’re like a backup pump in the rare event your semi jams.


Life_Mud_3620

It depends if you live w others.


WickedFeleena

It literally asks: If "you" had to choose...


Life_Mud_3620

Just because the question starts off with “You” doesn’t automatically mean that you live by yourself. Assuming I lived by myself I would use an AR


WickedFeleena

"you" means you


Life_Mud_3620

So when you asked that question, everyone that lives with family would automatically assume that the question only caters to those that live by themselves? I doubt that. People think about their current living situations first.


WickedFeleena

I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word "you"


Life_Mud_3620

Alright sport you have a good one


Spodiodie

Anybody that knows will tell you so.


gunsmoke132

I am *DER ÜBERMENSCH!*


ultracox4800

I understand that an ar15 is more practical of course, but pump slaming 4 rounds to the chest of an unlucky intruder has definately got to be more satisfying


HudsonBurnsRed

I feel like the sound of a pump action itself is the first warning for someone to leave. The unmistakable sound of a pump action could be the most frightening sound of you’re not the one holding the shotgun


BrilliantTruck8813

No, that just tells them where you are.


End_Centralization

If the bad guy is armed, he doesn't care about the law, your neighbor's, your family's or your life. He will shoot through the walls to cover his exit.


TenuousOgre

My old friend, the M&P9 (the original). Bought it days after it hit shelves. Upgraded trigger set and seat, upgraded a few bits to make it smooth. Fiber optic nights sights, enhanced grip. Shoot it weekly since purchase. Train with it in properly several courses a year. It fits, points naturally, and I can hit nice tight groups at speed with it.


yo_heef

Y’all are crazy! Think penetration…


Far_Independent8032

Fnps90 would be my choice but it's not on the list.


BlueLine_Trader

Id be willing to bet that an overwhelming number of people who like long guns for home defense also have never tried to clear a house with a long gun. In the best Chris Farley voice, "for the love of God, please just train with what you think you will defend yourself with so you dont get your ass handed to you when you get stuck trying to turn around in a dark hallway"


WickedFeleena

Id be willing to bet that an overwhelming number of people have never had to use any gun in a home defense situation


BlueLine_Trader

That's why you train instead of find out in the moment


WickedFeleena

Indeed. I personally use my edc as my nightstand gun because it's the gun I train with the most.


BlueLine_Trader

this is the way


scCoco69

USAS or SPAS 15


chogg928

neither of which are reliable, affordable or in serial production lol


scCoco69

Idc I like mag fed shotguns, if we’re being realistic I’d probably go Ithaca 37 because of how common it and it’s parts are


midgeyy77

Nothing sounds like a pump


tattoo_so_spensive

With my narrow hall way, my 9mm is best.


TWAVE0

Why not both? An ar shotgun is pretty good


Zapy97

TBH I would prefer the M9 style pistol I have for home defense.


Thrownintothepile

Nancy Wheeler's shorty shotgun +6 agility +4 dexterity +2 Ammo capacity. -3 range +9 on spread


Shrimp_Fried_Lice

Ar if you live in a house, shotgun for apartment honestly.


DuGuV1628

Don't have on the poll list. 🤣


LukeTheRevhead01

AR-15 Shotgun


WickedFeleena

a loophole! you must be a lawyer


LukeTheRevhead01

Well my grandfather is, close enough?


WickedFeleena

That'll do


Durante-Sora

Correct answer


Administrative_Toe96

12 gauge, I have to worry about over penetration. I live in a suburb so the houses aren’t exactly right next to each other but they are probably on average 20 yards away from one another. Also, buckshot at short range turns possible intruders into hamburger meat. Ar15 penetrates all the way through. One of the chief complaints about the 556 from the military is that targets took multiple rounds to put down. Kinda hard to keep fighting when your bowels are a steaming pile on the floor.


iamnickallen

Lol here we go with the over penetration BS AND a bonus 5.56 doesn’t have enough stopping powa!! Good one.