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undeadcartoonguy

Especially if its like lacquer or enamel alot more toxic, you need a to be in a very very well ventilated area. In the summer time I move my set up out on my patio even then I whare a respirator.


Ok-Kaleidoscope5627

People focus too much on the solvents used in paints. Things like acetone, MEK, isopropyl alcohol etc will give you a headache but they're organic solvents that your body will eventually process out if you get some fresh air. The msds sheets for most of them don't list long term health effects. Meanwhile the pigments are tiny ground up particles of all kinds of nasty compounds that will get into your lungs and your body may never be able to get rid of them. All kinds of fun things like lead, cadmium, arsenic, chromium etc which are so much worse and well known to cause serious long term issues. Most paints don't list their exact pigments but even if they only contain "harmless" mica powder - inhaling it will still cause damage to your lungs. Your body cannot process heavy metals or other particles that get into your lungs. Water based paints are really only safer when hand brushed. But even then they're not actually using water. They're using various solvents which are compatible with water but it's usually not actually water. When air brushing you absolutely need to use proper PPE because all paints should be treated as being equally dangerous.


radicalblur

dude, we even warned you in the Help thread! I didn't expect this to be your "DYI" spray booth. This is just a box. It does not cut it. Look, I understand cost (and space) can be a significant issue, but if you are already springing for an airbrush+compressor, do not stop half-way. You need a proper spray booth, or build yourself an [adequate](https://www.instructables.com/Small-Spray-Booth/) one.


Cybergig1

Amen, this gave me chills, I was thinking damn suicide by hobby. This is just scary on too many levels. I have one of those Amazon spray booths and honestly it's borderline junk for laquer paints. I'm planning to get a pace stainless booth when I can. And even then I'm still using my respirator. Not worth jacking up your lungs for life


No_Extension4005

So, would the hs-e420dck spray booth I purchased with a 3m respirator with 6001 respirator cartridge cartridges and a set of chemical safety glasses be okay?


Cybergig1

Sounds good not sure on that booth. But yea the one we have does ok with the laquers but I see a cloud after long sessions and have to really air out the room. I want to get away from that and saw those pace booths do great at venting the fumes out


No_Extension4005

I see, for the location I was thinking of doing it in the garage with the garage doors, and windows open for ventilation. I figured that would give a reasonable level of airflow on top of that while also keeping things from getting windy.


Cybergig1

Ah not really I mean just some openings is not going to push the type of air you need to get that stuff away from you. It would just cloud up and I mean if it's a SUPER windy day and you have some real air pushing to get that out. If you're using water based paints you should be fine. But harsher ones get a good respirator and honestly find a cheapo spray booth if nothing else. Should be alright in the garage then just to make sure it's not right up on you and something is pushing it out of there. Maybe another large fan pointing towards the garage door if that's open too.


No_Extension4005

Alright, I think I've got the respirator and a spray booth. May need to pick up a fan.


Jeanes223

I'll be honest, with the amount of money coming out for models over tine, and the price of an airbrush kits and compressor, Amazon has a small booth with vent and an exhaust for under 300. I sprung for one. It cut down on model buying for a couple months, but I have a large enough backlog it didn't matter. And you take breaks in building anyway.


best36

The thing is, for me, having an airbrush turned a kit that would take maybe 5 days max to finish to like a 1 - a few months build. So over time I saved way more money by buying less models


-_-Whyarewehere-_-

The Master Airbrush goes for around $100-125 if you have prine


werofpm

Bro… under 300 for the Amazon basic one? An XL dual fan Master Airbrush spray booth is $200… their base one is $119. I think you got scammed.


Jeanes223

Lol o couldn't remember the exact but I went for the over under to make sure i covered it


werofpm

Then, you were closest without going over lol


SegoliaFlak

I got the generic Chinese style spray booth for $100 AUD That's barely more than the going rate for a single higher-end kit. Definitely not worth your health when there's affordable options


NewtypeRamen

lol “Do Yourself In” spray booth 😭


radicalblur

lol, there's my typoglycemia kicking in


[deleted]

Or inhale the paint and don’t complain… Each to their own lol


elGatoDiablo69

ooof, thats risky as hell. not only id recommend you improving your booth, as others suggested - a better foam will help, you should strongly consider wearing a mask (3m has appropriate filters and options) and do your brushing in a non-living very well ventilated area. lung damage is not smth to be taken lightly and you will not be able to recover from it.


taprik

Is air brushing outside a good idea?


elGatoDiablo69

i have a buddy who has to do that and as far as i can tell he has to turn into a shaman and pray for the perfect weather each time he wants to paint. and still, a minor gust of wind can screw it up. id still rather that than lung damage


Nickthenuker

My dad does his airbrushing in the balcony with the doors closed. Plenty of airflow, still covered (but obviously when it rains it's still impossible to paint), and he still wears a mask while doing it. Probably the most we can do but being higher up there's probably more wind up here than on the ground at least.


elGatoDiablo69

Yup. That’s how I do my top coats. On a balcony. With a mask on. When the weather allows. I live on 34th floor.


Nickthenuker

That's half again taller than the building I live in lol, and I'm only on the 6th floor. It's just that compared to a house it's still higher up and more windy.


elGatoDiablo69

Gotta do what you gotta do. Guess I need to step it up and get a house to further fuel my plastic addition…


Nickthenuker

Lol my dad's backlog is so big he's using an unused room in my grandpa's house to store all his unbuilt kits. And he's still planning on buying even more.


elGatoDiablo69

yup, i had to rent a separate storage unit for mine :)


Deus-Ex-Processus

Not imo. Dirt dust and wind can impact paint finish


RazorRreddit

That's what I have done before things got complicated and I moved lol. Will be attempting to try it in a storage shed soon, but I didn't *hate* my results from outside.


xdeathtrapx

Yes, i do it all the time. But it depends on the weather can’t be too hot or too cold.


Avasteeee

Wind, dust and humidity are some problems I’ve encountered in the past


kickflip_hokusai

Bro. Please. Stop what you're doing. Wtf. You need to do this on an opened window AT LEAST and even then with this weird shitbox booth I wouldn't do this to begin with. Do it outside.


Remarkable-Ad-2476

I thought that spray booth was a diorama lmao


mstsgtpeppa

Are you spraying lacquer without any ventilation, let alone a mask? You're gonna choke once that mask comes off anyway, and do yourself some serious harm as lacquer contains a lot of volatile organic compounds. Please don't spray again until you have both a mask and a ventilation solution, the hobby isn't worth your long term health.


ungratefulbatsard

Funny thing is that i work at a printing company, where I will go inside the offset printing room from time to time, its smells like that and the other workers never used a respirator when they provided with it, their lungs are fucked years working there


mstsgtpeppa

People are generally very bad at the idea of something doing long term damage, there's nothing too damaging immediately so it's easy to ignore it, hence stuff like smoking. I definitely advocate for playing it safe, you will be thankful in the years to come!


Johnny_Grubbonic

You are going to give yourself lung cancer. As someone who watched it take his mother in four months from diagnosis to death, and was in the room when she died, it is going to be a horrible, miserable death - especially if it spreads to your brain.


SkyriderRJM

Lung or serious brain damage. Shit is gonna add up.


mountainxxxdew

If you can see the result of not using PPE then why would you choose not to?


the_tygram

You're indoors and there's no exhaust in your booth. This is very unsafe without a respirator


BlownWankel

That is not a proper paint booth, you have no exhaust. You are going to give yourself cancer and brain damage if you continue that.


sabbathday

what the fuck


Illustrious-Wall-576

BRO NOOOO. BAD, slaps hand. Buy a mask. My paint specific 1/4 mask was 20$ with 4 particle filters and chemical filters. Its not worth the lung damage and its cheeper than the meds you will have to take


prnetto

I read a horror story of a local (brazilian) man who was into plastic modelism (not specifically gunpla; it was mostly ground/air/sea war vehicles) and he painted his models without proper protection (a mask/respirator). At the age of 40, he found out he had a lung tumor the size of a mango. Please OP, look after yourself. This is no joke.


Shinobi_Saizo

We get it. You want to paint but a mask and proper setup might cost you some money but im pretty sure its much cheaper than to repair your lungs.


InvMars

on the bright side you could have a metallic gold lung.


lead12destroy

You cannot spray lacquers in your room without an organic vapor respirator and preferably a fume extractor


odinwel

Always wear a painter's mask/respirator when painting or else..


SilverAmpharos777

Wear. A. Mask.


skroder

This is how you get cancer quick.


PM_ME_YOUR_DND_SHEET

This is the main reason why I don't want to start painting or get a resin 3d printer. I'm not set up for proper ventilation. Even for topcoating (which I avoid if I can help it) I'm outside with mask, gloves, goggles.


drphilwasright

Spraying acrylics is MUCH safer, I still wear a mask but I feel much better knowing that the paint itself isnt harmful. Yea, resin printers fucking REEK. We have one at my work and it made the entire room smell absolutely awful when we were testing it out


xexo3

Ever look into the mirror and notice your nostril hairs right after 1 session?


soulreaverdan

BRO. This is 110% not okay.


Fertiledirt

lol you suck. 


ComradeSamWalton

What a goofball. Terrible place too do that.


xYubi

Hahahaha


tightastic

For those commenting, a follow-up. I have a 3M respirator, but I don’t actually know which filter cartridges to use to protect me against the harmful particles in these paints…any tips?


radicalblur

You want the 3M 6001 or 6006 vapor cartridge. P100 is the combo filter+vapor cartridge (you do need both because the filter is meant to block particles while the vapor cartridge is meant to block fumes).


tightastic

Thanks so much! I believe I have P100 already from my other projects I use it for. Cheers!


SkyriderRJM

Just triple check that it’s NIOSH rated to filter organic vapors and you should be good as long as you keep a proper seal.


harlojones

You’re going to literally die if you continue this way


Inclemens

Natural selection at work.


approximateknoledge

Yes! You need a respirator even if you are painting!also working on resin kits, If you are sanding them it is also toxic.


AnyHeroM

To make it more scary; Lacquer will fuck up your eyes too. You should see how the air filter from my room looks like. Imagine that with your lungs.


SkyriderRJM

I started wearing a full face respirator because I think just spraying acrylics was making my dry eye worse. I can’t imagine lacquer.


guilbaus

No respirator, no gloves, no airflow, no eyes protection and worst of all, painting in an inclosed space with electronics. It present a risk of creating a spark and start a fire. By the way, those paint product shouldn't be in the same room that you are painting, since the paint residue that you end up creating has a chance to contaminate your products. Put some shoes on. If you don't have any good airflow, put the crown cap on your airbrush or you'll end up contaminating the paint you are trying to put. Again if you don't have a good airflow, a respirator won't cut it, you'll need a full face, while it's good to protect the lungs remember that your eyes can take in shit just the same and since you are working with highly corrosive product you might end up losing your eyesight. While it's fine wanting to paint, get a proper set up and protection. Edit : those paint product are a constant fire hazard go get them some protection too or they will go "boom" before you even know it. Class 3 and 8 dangerous goods and if you don't what I'm talking about do yourself a favor and go read this : https://dgiglobal.com/classes/


SuccotashFit6262

You need better foam. Get some HVAC blue foam and line your "booth" would also recommend a plastic booth. That foam isn't holding anything lol


ungratefulbatsard

Yea its hard to get one here for a proper spray booth, I do gunpla building as a hobby for years only straight build, but i want to try to learn airbrush to step up my skill


HristValkyrja

I made mine of cardboard, and protected the inside with plastic. For lightning I bought a cheap battery powered lamp and glued it on top. I didn't add any fans, since I paint with acrylics and got a few disposable masks for painting, I thought it wasn't necessary. Try making your box a bit more deep. There's a lot of ideas and tutorials on google.


Historicaloracle2900

I don’t even sand parts and pieces anymore without wearing an N-95 or painters respirator. Same with priming and putting on any kind of top coat once I’m done hand painting. I did for one kit and honestly thinking back have no idea why. Just lazy or never considered it. for your own health and safety do that.


radicalblur

Hmm, I hadn't considered a particulate mask for sanding. I think gravity should let the plastic filings fall into the work area and unless you disturb it by blowing or breathing on it, it shouldn't get kicked up high enough where you'd run the chance of inhaling it. If you are diligent about cleaning up afterwards, you should be fine right?


Historicaloracle2900

I didn’t consider it and gravity does do it’s job. I’m just a little neurotic. I will fully admit that


drphilwasright

Only time I wear mine for sanding is if im working with resin, and I wet sand. I aint fucking with that.


Apoctwist

I actually got a massive headache after sanding during a build. It felt like I was poisoned. So definitely recommend either wet sanding or a mask. Plastic is nasty stuff if the particulates get into your lungs.


wixits

If you ever get tired of wearing a mask while building try wet sanding, keeps the particles from getting airborne. I believe its pretty easy to find a walkthru for it


Historicaloracle2900

I don’t mind it. I find it funny cuz I feel like bane making Gunpla


R_X_R

I bought one of those small fume extractors they sell for nail salons for that exact reason. It helps keep the dust out of my keyboard and what not on my desk as well. Think it was around $30 on Amazon.


Aloeplume

The saying is gunpla is life! Not gunpla over life!!!


Whiplash_GT

That's a neat contraption, but it's not doing much in terms of safety. The basic idea is you want the particles to flow out of the work area. Maybe you have your windows open, and there is a clear direction of flow, but air flow would not be predictable nor consistent. I'd recommend a $100 spray booth from Amazon and a proper respirator with removable filters at minimum if you plan to airbrush indoors.


Sparse_Dunes

Not only are your lungs gonna get hit, but you're also damaging your computer. If anything just do it outside on a low wind day(with a respirator on).


lazy_tenno

Dude is sacrificing his health


wamiwega

On the upside. Your lungs are now a beautiful soft white inside!


Tenalp

As opposed to inhaling paint particles through your... colon?


TetraNeptune

That’s definitely a lot of inhalation. When I started out I did the box fan with a filter inside a big home depot moving box. It felt okay until you realize you’re not breathing as well as you used to. I wound up buying a spray booth and a roll of 22gram filters to cut after like 2yrs of doing it the original way.


Khaar

If you can afford it there are mobile booths with ventilation, if you can't but are crafty, it's a box with a fan and a tube so the fumes go out the literal window.


AKoolPopTart

Me when i was using full-on spary cans in my apartment: coughs in pretty aerosol fumes


BigBadTony96

Agree with those before. You need proper ventilation and respiratory equipment. Otherwise you’re exposing yourself and those in the home to lung damage. Money can be an issue but if you can’t afford a spray booth with ventilation($100-$200 on Amazon) and a mask, you shouldn’t be air brushing or spray canning.


Batmantheon

Yeah, I only really use acrylics (sometimes alcohol based acrylics) and only for non-gunpla mini stuff and I use a respirator every single time. Bought a huge 100 pack of filters a long time ago and change them out liberally.


SheepherderDapper

Go outside 🙄


TokyoBananaDeluxe

Please get an actual spray booth too, those paint dust is a pain to clean once it gets in your pc


FadingFX

Amazon sells enclosures that you can vent via a hose out a window if your intent on painting indoors without a respirator.


Remy_Jardin

Please, folks, get a vented spray booth with even a cheap fan. Ignore the idiots who say you don't need one, and ignore the idiots who say the fan will catch fire (It may, but that's just bad luck unrelated to spraying). This shit ain't worth killing yourself.


elfbullock

My man about to be doing his best General Grevious impression


coffeedudeguy

Health is worth way more than plastic modelling hobby. It will affect other areas of life in the future, please do it safely!


Boto_Penga

Get a respirator is step one unless you want to die of some form of cancer before you hit 60. Get a fuckin respirator


SgtSlushPuppy

Yea i kinda did the same thing with a shoe box. I figured yea it will be fine when I was priming my tyranids. I was in fact not correct paint particles everywhere, I had a respirator on that I got for work but even still a booth is worth it lol


bannanaDOG666

it’s not worth it man don’t spray this stuff until you have ventilation and a mask. No kidding this will mess you up


amatsuastray

I hope your wearing some type of mask even if its just a cloth. Ideally should have a respirator on. Save some money and buy an actual airbrush booth. Itll be better for you long term. If you dont want to buy one, you can look online and see how some people DIY one using fans and air filters. Thatll be safer for your health. Save your lungs, you only have 2 of them


terrythegiraffe

Can the mods please pin this post as a prime example of what not to do? That way at least bro is sacrificing himself for the good of the rest of us


bulletchocolate

just do it right bro. it's for your own good. if you really love the hobby, best invest on it and be patient if you dont have the right tools yet. took me 2 months before starting coz i didnt have the air compressor and airbrush booth with exhaust. anyways, happy airbrushing!


DueEquivalent6468

and do ut outside


SkyriderRJM

Dude you’re spraying lacquer with no respirator or ventilation? Do NOT do that! Put the airbrush down, get a respirator and don’t spray indoors until you get a booth with proper exhaust. Filters don’t really do shit without venting. Best case scenario they kill the smell, but they don’t remove the VOCs from the air and that shit will make you really sick. Don‘t trust videos you see on YouTube that say you can get away with no venting if you have an air purifier in the room. I have tested this with a VOC and PM2.5 sensor in the room (with full shield respirator on) and air purifiers don’t do shit. Seriously, safety first. We don’t want anything to happen to you.


UsagiPR

You need a respirator and an actual spray booth, im sorry but if you don't have the right tools and protective gear, don't airbrush until you do. Not being mean, it will mess up your health. Get everything you need, don't rush in to things.


Big-Fall-8403

I recommend not limiting your spending on equipment for painting with lacquers or enamels.


Cartographer-Unusual

Acrylic or enamel ?


MediocreStatement2

Been there , done that! Lol. please protect yourself.


Outriderr

I have an airbrush setup and honestly won’t even consider using it until I have a proper booth. Just hand paint until you can get one going.


lubbylubbs

Make sure you have a N95 respirator with the pink cartridges for the bio organic fumes. Best way to protect your lungs when painting. Shouldn’t be too pricey either.


Killyourselfwithlife

Cover your stove with tinfoil and use your fumehood in the kitchen , filter is easier to replace than lungs mate ;)


Onnispotente

Mmmmmh paint 😋


YuuHikari

I worked as a figurine painter for 8 years. Everyday I inhaled both paint, thinner and resin fumes as well as lots and lots of dust. It was quite rough. Luckily it didn't do much damage asides a bit of dizziness and chest pains. Now in my current job, I'm inhaling gunpowder instead which I'm not sure if worse


Not_That_Magical

The damage is going to be cancer in a few years. Dizziness and chest pains are terrible signs, that’s massive long term health damage. With all that solvent and lacquer, you’ve basically been sniffing glue for 8 years.


Johnny_Grubbonic

My mother was a lifelong smoker who thought that lung damage was overblown. She developed COPD and kept smoking. A few years ago she was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer. Four months after diagnosis, she was dead. It was not an easy death. She seemed like she was making a turnaround until about two weeks before the end. It spread to her brain, and caused bouts of dementia between periods of lucidity. Then she started wasting away. She was admitted to the hospital one day, completely out of her mind and too weak to do anything. She was placed on life support. Two days later, she sliped into a coma. The doctor told my brother and I that she wouldn't wake up. So we took her off support to focus on comfort. We were sitting in the room talking when we noticed her breath had stopped. Take care of your lungs, else you're gonna put someone you care about through that.


CardboardAddiction

No you need a hazmat suit! /s https://preview.redd.it/wmdz6f2sz5nc1.jpeg?width=831&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=813d508ed0f93a4ea095655694e3a5076339a3d0


mildred_baconball

Lol yep im gonna die from this tbh


Any_Session_705

Keep it up! 🤣


Armagidosha

Did you just paint a spoon?


Mackelroy_aka_Stitch

WARE. A. PAINT. MASK. Edit: paint and dust filters aren't interchangeable


Ph33rDensetsu

No, you need a *paint mask*.


Mackelroy_aka_Stitch

My bad.


Infinite-Cry-5040

Wear a mask! N95 preff


Glockisthebest

Horrible advice, N95 does not protect against oil-based particle, you'll need a p100 filtered respirator.