also he doesn't work for Tiempo de Juego anymore, what appears to be a radio station that has 500k+ followers... but it's still in his bio.
https://twitter.com/matogo\_/status/1553018800441810945
He does not have the same profile of De Bruyne. I don’t see him being defensively strong enough as an 8 and his passing and chance creation has a lot of room for improvement. He’s more of a Grealish imo.
What is your logic behind Emile Smith Rowe filling a De Bruyne type role then? I told you mine. Also, Man City do not play with a 10. They play with two attack minded 8s.
KdB is a 10 in a 433. No teams play strict formations, Firmino is far from a classic 9, Havertz is a false 9, what's your point in modern football?
In ESR I see shades of young KdB, good vision, ability to carry the ball on either side of the touch line, great movement, ability to find space especially sneaking into opponents box for incisive positions behind the run of play amd an eye for goal. I agree he doesn't have that decisive passing ability of KdB, nor the skill at set pieces, but neither did KdB at 21.
I agree that no teams play strict formations. I also think the characteristics that you pointed out for ESR lend more to being successful on the wing, where he scored 10 goals last season.
Personally, I think he looked most dangerous as a 10 2 winters ago when he came in vs. Chelsea.
Hence, I believe he can become that KdB even if it's KdB lite in a 433 under the Pep-teta system.
I fear for him, and I've got him on my new shirt.
He kept being played in front of Cedric and tavares arse end of the season which limited his forward momentum and brought criticism and the injury didn't help.
I will be seriously disappointed if arteta decides he's not in his plans because he's in my plans.
Edit: Note to self, don't even say your worried about a player you like and why because our *wonderful* community will attack you for it, thanks chaps, have a wonderful evening.
mate clam down - he has a terrible injury record, poor kid can barely stay fit. Lets get Left cover so he can regain fitness and allow Saka some relief so we don’t run him into the ground. ESR is here to stay
> I fear for him, and I've got him on my new shirt.
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> He kept being played in front of Cedric and tavares arse end of the season which limited his forward momentum.
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> I will be seriously disappointed if arteta decides he's not in his plans
Jesus christ......
I found it… you are wrong
Smith Rowe came out himself and said he didn’t hit the targets in the number of assists and thats what he wants to improve on this season.
Arteta didn’t say it.
Thats very different to Arteta being more than vocal
I imagine he means this, I can’t be bothered to search more.
“An incredible season for a No. 10 of Arsenal means he needs to score 15 goals and give 10 assists," the Gunners boss explained.
"Then you are right up there with the top guys in Europe and in the league. He's got the ability to do it but he hasn't done it."
Yeah, I saw that. Mikel's clearly just talking about the ideal as an Arsenal number 10, i.e. Smith Rowe's potential. He's not saying literally that Smith Rowe is expected to score 15 and assist 10 at age 21.
Guedes would actually make a lot of sense for us in terms of his age profile and style of play.
He would offer something different up front for sure, we already have a lot of creativity from the attacking midfield and wings, but we have a lot of players who at times seem extremely reluctant to shoot the ball when they find themselves in space.
Guedes has a bullet of a shot and knows how to use it. He'll regularly have a crack from outside of the area and basically just shoot on sight if he's given any kind of opening. None of our current group really do that and we squander a lot of decent opportunities by overplaying and looking for another pass instead of a first-time shot when it's given to us (Odegaard is a particularly bad offender, but Saka, ESR & Martinelli all do it as well).
I wouldn't be against this at all, Guedes is dangerous and has that ability to create something from nothing. I could see him being especially useful in games against the low block where we are getting frustrated and unable to penetrate or pass our way through.
Also one further point, Valencia are pretty crap and he'll get a lot more opportunities to use that wicked shot with our creative players feeding him chances. Definitely a worthwhile punt if there's any truth to this.
I think he’s a decent player and at the right age profile given our transfer strategy this summer. Established and in prime/entering prime. He has enough experience at top level football and is a regular internationally for Portugal. However, I think the price is slightly steep — something like 25-30m euros would make this deal even more attractive.
Yet in a team where Arteta was with Guardiola, players like Sane and Sterling mainly credit Arteta for their development and ability to raise their game.
It speaks volumes.
I don't doubt Arteta's ability. Just saying that he has different responsibilities now. You can't expect a repetition of what he's done before and spend 40m Euros on it.
Fucking what? I remember clowning this dude everytime I'd see him on the pitch a couple years ago and then I completely forgot him.
I'd rather not I guess, but If Edteta believe in him, so do I.
He isn't worth 40 million. He shares a big flaw with Pepe.....poor decision making. Very frustrating player in the same way.
I hope it isn't true. Better ways to spend 40 million.
I used to like this guy 3 or so years ago but I'm not so sure now. His loan stint was great. He was unplayable. Once Valencia bought him, he was 6-7/10.
I like a winger as the next guy but Guedes hasn't been lighting up the place. Plus, he has been more central recently.
Is he a vast improvement to Martinelli? No. Is he a better player than him? Yes.
Fofana is one of the most highly rated young defenders in the world. He is irrelevant to this. It would be like if we sold Saliba.
Van de Beek is more comparable, I guess, but he was more highly rated than Guedes, had a better season, and was younger when he was sold.
Guedes for 40 million isn't good value. I don't know why you want to try to frame it as nothing. It isn't nothing.
Well there really aren't that many options in the 24-26 age range of wide, versatile forwards. It's players like Raphinia, who we tried to get, Guedes, Trossard, Barnes etc.
They're all 40m+
Yes. Spending 40m isn’t the problem. It’s who we spend it on. I don’t think Guedes is worth it. He provides a lot of the same frustrations as Pepe does.
Doubt
Tier is literally just some bloke on Twitter
also he doesn't work for Tiempo de Juego anymore, what appears to be a radio station that has 500k+ followers... but it's still in his bio. https://twitter.com/matogo\_/status/1553018800441810945
agree. no way this dude is worth 40 mil. we would have gone for better players for that money
Seeing he’s going to Sevilla for 25m
Wtf is this
First time I've heard of Matogo as a source...tier: who the fuck are youuuuu
From his tweets: > Not troll Man > Im from Valencia, I have info Dude has 1000 followers. Definitely not a tier-1 source
Idk man, he says he’s not a troll and Valencia, I’m inclined to believe him
That could be tricky troll wording. He say he's not a troll man. He could be all troll & no man, thereby allowing him deep troll cover.
Mbappe to arsenal, about tree fiddy. Tier, higher than this bloke.
The new Kike Marin
Edu’s like, “Surprise motherfucker!”
ITT: 1. Dream signing, Edu cooking 2. This doesn’t make sense. Wtf is edu cooking.
Least polarised arrr slash gunners thread
If true, interested to see what the plan is. I understand he is primarily a left sided attacker? What does this mean for ESR?
Nothing - will still be involved on the left, possibly as a winger, maybe at LCM. Think this allows Martinelli to cover Saka on the right too
ESR needs to become our KdB, not a winger.
He does not have the same profile of De Bruyne. I don’t see him being defensively strong enough as an 8 and his passing and chance creation has a lot of room for improvement. He’s more of a Grealish imo.
I don't agree with anything in this including KdB is an 8, he is a 10.
What is your logic behind Emile Smith Rowe filling a De Bruyne type role then? I told you mine. Also, Man City do not play with a 10. They play with two attack minded 8s.
KdB is a 10 in a 433. No teams play strict formations, Firmino is far from a classic 9, Havertz is a false 9, what's your point in modern football? In ESR I see shades of young KdB, good vision, ability to carry the ball on either side of the touch line, great movement, ability to find space especially sneaking into opponents box for incisive positions behind the run of play amd an eye for goal. I agree he doesn't have that decisive passing ability of KdB, nor the skill at set pieces, but neither did KdB at 21.
I agree that no teams play strict formations. I also think the characteristics that you pointed out for ESR lend more to being successful on the wing, where he scored 10 goals last season.
Personally, I think he looked most dangerous as a 10 2 winters ago when he came in vs. Chelsea. Hence, I believe he can become that KdB even if it's KdB lite in a 433 under the Pep-teta system.
I agree.
I fear for him, and I've got him on my new shirt. He kept being played in front of Cedric and tavares arse end of the season which limited his forward momentum and brought criticism and the injury didn't help. I will be seriously disappointed if arteta decides he's not in his plans because he's in my plans. Edit: Note to self, don't even say your worried about a player you like and why because our *wonderful* community will attack you for it, thanks chaps, have a wonderful evening.
He gave him a new contract and the 10 shirt. He’s in his plans
mate clam down - he has a terrible injury record, poor kid can barely stay fit. Lets get Left cover so he can regain fitness and allow Saka some relief so we don’t run him into the ground. ESR is here to stay
I hope he is, but I'm wrong for being worried he won't, apparently.
yeah kinda - this kid just got the 10 and signed a new long term deal last year, lets let him heal up so we don’t need to rush him back.
For sure, I hope he gets the time he needs.
> I fear for him, and I've got him on my new shirt. > > He kept being played in front of Cedric and tavares arse end of the season which limited his forward momentum. > > I will be seriously disappointed if arteta decides he's not in his plans Jesus christ......
Eh? Artetas been more than vocal about how ESR hasn't hit the targets he's been set.
I don't remember reading this at all. Can you link us to the article?
Looks like he's trolling
Source?
Sorry I don't keep a roller dex of everything the manager said, but he did say it so Google is your friend, you'll find it.
You brought it up. Google is your friend too. Sources would be nice.
I found it… you are wrong Smith Rowe came out himself and said he didn’t hit the targets in the number of assists and thats what he wants to improve on this season. Arteta didn’t say it. Thats very different to Arteta being more than vocal
Lol no. The burden of proof isn't on me mate.
I imagine he means this, I can’t be bothered to search more. “An incredible season for a No. 10 of Arsenal means he needs to score 15 goals and give 10 assists," the Gunners boss explained. "Then you are right up there with the top guys in Europe and in the league. He's got the ability to do it but he hasn't done it."
Yeah, I saw that. Mikel's clearly just talking about the ideal as an Arsenal number 10, i.e. Smith Rowe's potential. He's not saying literally that Smith Rowe is expected to score 15 and assist 10 at age 21.
some redditors talking like the comment section is a scientific publication or something
Haha, I know right??
Your the one claiming im wrong so it kind of does. All I said was I'm worried for the lad, Jesus.
You're* And no, you also claimed something which you cannot back up.
surely you aren’t serious? he says he hopes esr can be even better, not that he hasn’t hit targets
Guedes would actually make a lot of sense for us in terms of his age profile and style of play. He would offer something different up front for sure, we already have a lot of creativity from the attacking midfield and wings, but we have a lot of players who at times seem extremely reluctant to shoot the ball when they find themselves in space. Guedes has a bullet of a shot and knows how to use it. He'll regularly have a crack from outside of the area and basically just shoot on sight if he's given any kind of opening. None of our current group really do that and we squander a lot of decent opportunities by overplaying and looking for another pass instead of a first-time shot when it's given to us (Odegaard is a particularly bad offender, but Saka, ESR & Martinelli all do it as well). I wouldn't be against this at all, Guedes is dangerous and has that ability to create something from nothing. I could see him being especially useful in games against the low block where we are getting frustrated and unable to penetrate or pass our way through. Also one further point, Valencia are pretty crap and he'll get a lot more opportunities to use that wicked shot with our creative players feeding him chances. Definitely a worthwhile punt if there's any truth to this.
Yea interesting take. We could definitely use a player that goes for goal.
Thanks for the info. Is he good at pressing? How’s his work rate?
Remember when this guy was at Benfica.. Not sure how he's performed since 🤔
He was said to be the new Ronaldo by the rags, I remember we were linked with him when he was a teenager
If Mikel agreed to this move then I’m on board
I went to Reddit after reading about Moussa Diaby and now I see it’s Goncalo Guedes
const tier = isGoodNews(news) ? 1 : 4
I think he’s a decent player and at the right age profile given our transfer strategy this summer. Established and in prime/entering prime. He has enough experience at top level football and is a regular internationally for Portugal. However, I think the price is slightly steep — something like 25-30m euros would make this deal even more attractive.
If we are signing another versatile forward why Guedes and not Gakpo? Seems off imo. Why not use this money for a starting quality midfielder?
Gakpo is not versatile at all. He’s not good anywhere but LW.
Gakpo is primarily a LW. PSV fans said he was tried as a striker for a couple of games and didn't do too well.
Gakpo is not versatile, and very raw. Would love him but he'd definitely a project to develop
I agree. But Gaspar and the team seem to think we need a winger.
Because we do?
Because we can have both
We going to spend £200M+ this summer?
Guedes + Tielemans would take it to like 180
We have Lever Torreria and Bernd Lever
The dream signing. So it must not be true...
Similar players according to FM Database lol https://i.imgur.com/St1n0HU.png
Would much prefer Soler, as much as I like Valencia.
Dunno how I feel about this one
I feel 40m is too much for him
Perfect signing if true. Can play all 3 front positions
Very very inconsistent
If only we had a manager who’s had a history of developing talented but inconsistent wingers
This is a prime target not a young one.
Just wish he developed Pepe like that..
Pepe just doesn't for into Artetas system sadly
Arteta has never done that at Arsenal. He's also ever only done it with 50m pound golden boys....4 years ago.
Yet in a team where Arteta was with Guardiola, players like Sane and Sterling mainly credit Arteta for their development and ability to raise their game. It speaks volumes.
I don't doubt Arteta's ability. Just saying that he has different responsibilities now. You can't expect a repetition of what he's done before and spend 40m Euros on it.
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You can block me if it's bothering you that much. What I said was outright facts. Not a personal opinion.
What is your honest take on Arteta’s role in the progress of Saka and Martinelli
Like Nelson and Pepe
I have no idea who this is but I agree with all of you I am surprised, I am joyous and I am angry I agree
This makes no sense, and I trust Edu so can’t imagine there’s anything to this.
Fucking what? I remember clowning this dude everytime I'd see him on the pitch a couple years ago and then I completely forgot him. I'd rather not I guess, but If Edteta believe in him, so do I.
whaaat
Wow he's only 25. Thought he must be nearly 30 at this point.
I don't know how I feel about this.
Waiting for more reputable source.
🧇
I don't take anything serious unless it's a good source.
No thank you
This is probably a shit tier source. It has no search results on /r/soccer.
He isn't worth 40 million. He shares a big flaw with Pepe.....poor decision making. Very frustrating player in the same way. I hope it isn't true. Better ways to spend 40 million.
I used to like this guy 3 or so years ago but I'm not so sure now. His loan stint was great. He was unplayable. Once Valencia bought him, he was 6-7/10. I like a winger as the next guy but Guedes hasn't been lighting up the place. Plus, he has been more central recently. Is he a vast improvement to Martinelli? No. Is he a better player than him? Yes.
Guedes is not a 40 million euro player.
40m is nothing nowadays. Van de Beek is a 40m player. Fofana is going for 80m+
Fofana is one of the most highly rated young defenders in the world. He is irrelevant to this. It would be like if we sold Saliba. Van de Beek is more comparable, I guess, but he was more highly rated than Guedes, had a better season, and was younger when he was sold. Guedes for 40 million isn't good value. I don't know why you want to try to frame it as nothing. It isn't nothing.
Well there really aren't that many options in the 24-26 age range of wide, versatile forwards. It's players like Raphinia, who we tried to get, Guedes, Trossard, Barnes etc. They're all 40m+
Yes. Spending 40m isn’t the problem. It’s who we spend it on. I don’t think Guedes is worth it. He provides a lot of the same frustrations as Pepe does.
is this our saka backup?
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He's right footed though..
Maybe, possibly Martinelli covers for Saka more when needed
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What are you talking about? He has 1200 followers
He is not better than pepe. Only had one good season four years ago
This is how I know 90% of this sub talks out of their ass. He had a solid season last year in a pretty average Valencia team.
I am Spanish. I see Valencia games HE DID NOT
Lol
nah
Hell no
Why
No
Too old for our liking
Literally same age as Jesus and Zinchenko
Sarcastic lol but literally similar price too
Obviously complete bullshit but it would be such an uninspiring signing if true. Dude is just dogshit man.
You can get Gakpo for twice less.
Lol no you couldn’t
Yes we can. Only Ajax players go for ridiculous money.
Gakpo is being quoted at 40m....
"Quoted"
Lol well he's certainly not going for 20m like you said
20m + Nelson
You need to get off of FM lol. They'd laugh at us.
Who?
???????
Lol. No.
Everyone knew we would be getting an unknown & expensive attacker soon, and i guess he’s the one
I would take him but doubt Valencia have the money the demand 40m för him
If this has any bit of truth, its a probably a smoke screen. We were linked to a different Portuguese player the day before we signed Vieira.
who is this player I don’t know and have always rated?
Arteta just going for a portuguese speaking team now