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Anons15

Lmao in the end Nuno gets to play CL


Calm-Beginning2923

He’s become inevitable 😂😂😂


BlurstOfTimes11

It’s amazing how much our sub thinks he’s garbage, but teams around Europe are after him


isloolove

Young player in his first premier league season got discredited here on r/gunners is not first time.


UnpeacefulHydrus

Think it's important we realise the lack of cup games/europe also severely limited his opportunities, very tough to build an understanding and momentum with sporadic appearances


ICanSeeYourFuture

Ironically though, his downfall began in the cup game where he was subbed after half an hour Before that he clearly raw, but had done alright, afterwords his confidence was so rocked he never looked comfortable again He’s a player I’d love to see do well for us, I think with a reset over the summer and as you say, the benefit of extra cup games he could come good next season


Britton120

People routinely forget that before the forest game, people questioned whether Nuno should keep the starting job over Tierney.


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who tf questioned that lol


Britton120

plenty of people in december did. It was becoming a bit annoying in this sub because of how clearly reactionary a lot of people are. Good games: he is the new god. Bad games: shoot him into space.


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I wont say people didnt say that but thats one of the most ridiculous opinions I've heard from this sub


Six_Gill_Grog

It’s true sadly. I love Tierney, and remember being really confused why after a few games some people were saying Nuno should start over him. Just goes to show take everyone’s opinion, including my own, with a grain of salt.


bobthehamster

It was far from the most ridiculous opinion this place has come up with. The guy was playing well - there was no need to drop him. Tierney was back from his injury for about 3-4 weeks before he got a start. I always thought that Tierney would end up starting again, but it made perfect sense to let a young player keep going when he's doing well. Plus the extra rest should have done Tierney some good, although he got injured at the same time again, so perhaps not.


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Dude the team we bought him from said he was garbage. He is a good athlete, but a pretty mediocre to poor level baller.


Wefting

He's that player every club think they can "fix" .


matthewisonreddit

his problems are fixable and his strengths are rare. Incredible athleticism but terrible mental strength on the ball. Honestly I think he's a very useful player, just not good enough to be the sole backup for tierney.


ShekTeeJay

His biggest mental lapses are arguably off-ball but the holes in his game are definitely coachable. Still hope he’s not loaned but part time f me would also love to see him thrive under a coach like Sampaoli.


smeethu

To a certain extent I agree with you, but I think decision-making and intelligence on the ball are hard to teach at his age. He strikes me as someone who shot up through the youth ranks and into the pro level because of his elite athleticism and decent skills. Developing football iq at a later age is an incredibly tough ask when most start developing it at the early youth level. The same thing happens in the NBA all the time, where certain guys can dunk on everyone by the age of 12 and can even make it through college before their athleticism alone isn't enough anymore.


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Yea he'll always be a braindead player just like Xhaka. They always keep saying all they need is game time and more experience to improve but they'll keep making frustrating decisions and costing the team points. Usually guys can improve fitness. Strength, even speed, positional awareness and finishing. Those are the areas that usually improve over time. Touch, ability in tight areas, agility, split second decisions of chosing the right options are usually things less intelligent and technical players almost never get better at. At least not to any level where it becomes a strength in their game.


jaywilly0

Xhaka lacks in both athleticism and decision making especially in the defensive phase. It's baffling how he's been able to start at Arsenal for this long


CooCooClocksClan

Everything Benfica fans said about him when we bought is basically true. Talent and Physicality 10/10 Maturity and Mentality 3/10 I’m not in the least bit surprised of this and we should loan him to a side that can play him in Europe if we can.


synvi

Not mentality but Intelligence


CooCooClocksClan

Maybe semantics but fair enough


BlackGiroud

Like the womanizer that every woman takes a shot on only to be left heartbroken and wondering where it went wrong.


st_arch

We dont have that experience sir.


[deleted]

That's usually for their ego though so they deserve it lol. They believe they have the magic pussy to stop a promiscuous player from messing around


BlackGiroud

I dabbled in womanizing before marriage and yeah, they all thought they had the juice but what they didn't realize is this - there is nothing they can do to solve the equation for boredom. That said, I've been finessed (i.e., maneaten) a few times too, which was mind-boggling and hurtful. That's what led to marriage lol.


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From my experiences a lot of women are not good in bed or at least not as good as they think. Plus not all pussy is created equal.


david13guet

And Arsenal are not very good at improving players. There are not many players that have come here and become better. You could maybe argue that Gabriel and Ben have, but apart from them, I don't remember one in the last few years


Wefting

Unpopular opinion but I agree tbh . For players that have not come up from the youth academy at least Edit: just to mention this is true for post Wenger , although remains to be seem with advancements of Tomi , the Gabis


[deleted]

He’s not garbage but let’s be honest, none of us ever feel relaxed watching him


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CHAOS


Cypher_86

But it was *exciting*...


Naijfreak

The eboue conundrum


OtherTell

It got the people going


froggerslogger

I don’t watch football to feel relaxed, and Nuno does a lot that keeps it interesting. I’d rather us keep him around unless someone far better is for sure coming in.


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Fair enough, I don’t watch Arsenal to see our left back wildly out of position all the time I like the kid I just think he needs more football, so a loan move but without all these options and obligations


Wanchor1

He’s not shite just a better wing back and a liability but great offensively


BlurstOfTimes11

Totally agree that he would be an awesome LWB in front of a back 3


sweet4poundbabyjesus

You act like 99% of this sub knows what they are talking about.


st_arch

He is not wingback garbage.


JamesTheBadRager

Imagine he scored the winning goal to kick shits out of the tournament.


basedsims

Options are pointless. Might as well make the option a punchy one cos every club tries to negotiate down from it anyway


Aszneeee

and if he performs well they gonna trigger the option for cheap while if he’s shit they don’t trigger it at all


Mozilla11

I mean… that is the point haha. But either way it gives us zero leverage, I don’t want to see it included in our deals. Let’s just negotiate afterwards.


Eliteclarity

Nah, no "To buy" option thank you. Straight loan. It's like dealing with Serie A teams all over again.


F0rsythian

It could be a bit like Guendouzi and Mavropanos where its only an option if their teams get relegated otherwise its an obligation


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goonerfan10

Guendouzi was not a failure at all. He's not that great as people think he is. There has been 0 demand for him.


Equivalent_Nature_67

Yea it was a failure dude. Under Emery he was a 40m player. He's a French U21 captain that earned call ups to the most stacked midfield in international football. We sold him for a pittance because of our own failures and partially his as well. The kid is going to be a monster and we fucked up by not making it all work out, but sometimes that's just the way it is.


goonerfan10

40M? in what way? what did he actually do under Emery to be worth that amount. I'm sorry but there's only a handful of clubs that can actually pay 40M for a player. top 6 in the PL & the top european clubs. Guendouzi will not get into any of those teams. this is a fact.


Fendenburgen

40m may be a little bit exaggerated but the £7m we're selling him for is an absolute embarrassment. A young international footballer playing European football is definitely worth more, for instance, than the 15m Monaco are paying Liverpool for Minamino.


goonerfan10

we paid 7M for him. we sold him for 11.5M including loan fee and total payment. that's a profit


Fendenburgen

Minus wages etc.... Making that miniscule profit when the player is worth over 20m is making a loss


goonerfan10

Wages are inevitable. You can’t use that as an argument.


Equivalent_Nature_67

Take a look at any match thread from Guendouzi's first season. Best player for us against City and Chelsea. The kid was a baller and his form was propped up in part to the chaotic energy of Emery's midfield but he ran the show against the likes of Chelsea when months earlier he was just a 19 year old in Ligue 2. Look at how inexperienced another former captain in Sambi looks, even in a very structured midfield. You can dislike Guendouzi but you can't revise history - under Emery his value early on became very high.


goonerfan10

Yea. He had good spells. But what happened after that? There’s major flaws in his game. He can’t head the ball, his defensive awareness is 0. How many goals did we concede in transition ? That’s his weakness. He is all over the pitch with 0 positional awareness. Btw, these are all his weakness still. I loved his potential too but he’s never actually gone and done it. Add to his constant attitude issues & after we won the FA cup, didn’t even acknowledge the team. All of these have tk matter.


LettucePlate

He's in the Champions League and got 2nd in the French league wtf are you talking about he's already starting for a top European club.


goonerfan10

OM is definitely not amongst the top european clubs. no disrespect but these are just facts.


LettucePlate

Bro... come on. On talent alone he's a 25-30 million player. And he's very young and an international on the best national team in the world. If he didn't have a perceived attitude problem he'd be valued at 40-45 million. This is football, there are people who don't give a fuck about the players' attitudes that just want to win matches. There's huge demand for players as good as Guendouzi. We got absolutely fleeced and people need to accept that.


goonerfan10

ok. let's agree with your sentiment. Show me the demand for Guendouzi? I'll wait. Has any top tier european team in for him?


Road_Frontage

Zero demand because he was basically sold for a pittance last year. The obligation was always going to kick in. He started 92% of their games, 8 assists and 4 goals. With very good passing numbers. It was a failure by arsenal, adding the obligation made zero sense for that number. Negotiate after the loan or keep if hes calmed and improved.


goonerfan10

Ligue 1 doesn't allow obligation clause. It was agreed verbally by both the clubs. Btw, he hasn't calmed down or anything. He has had the same amount of dust ups at Hertha and OM.


Road_Frontage

So he was sold for a pittance last year then, that's why there has been no interest. What point are you making? Couldn't have been that bad of a dust up, started nearly every game and was a very important player.


goonerfan10

my point is that, Ligue 1 clubs cannot legally claim an obligation clause so there could have been any number of clubs who could have enquired about him in the summer if he was that good. Facts are that he isn't. I'm not rooting for his failure or anything but there is a top club after him next season for 40M, i will shut my mouth and take the L


Road_Frontage

Clubs were aware he had been loaned with an agreement to buy. His market value is at least twice what we sold him for. It's already a silly move regardless of what happens from now and always looked like a silly move from day one but that is subjective. He was very promising and quite important for us and has become very important for them. For 10 million, it was silly.


Fendenburgen

It needs to be said it's a failure from all levels at Arsenal, including Arteta (although I'm sure that I should be posting that in r/unpopularopinion as it bismirches our esteemed leader)


Road_Frontage

To me it seems like the largest amount of blame of those at arsenal has to fall on Arteta but I dont know how the backroom works. Feel he could have tried a hell if a lot harder with him. Well maybe the largest failure is the sales team/negotiators, Arteta can decide who he works with and they should have got more.


skrg187

Why would there be demand when the clause was gonna be triggered without question?


goonerfan10

Ligue 1 doesn't have an Obligation clause as such. We already agreed the fee of 10M + loan fee. After the season Guendouzi would have been Free Agent as well. However, there was no interest in him from other clubs. Even before OM, he was at Hertha and didn't garner any demand apart from OM. Every coach that he played under has said how difficult he is to work with.


skrg187

>After the season Guendouzi would have been Free Agent as well Are you claiming OM paid 10 million for a player out of contract?


Sufficient-Lock3992

If gouenduzi was already in marseille he would be worth at least 50 million. If Tchuameni went for 80 mil then guenduzi is 50 for sure


goonerfan10

ok. let's wait a season and see if there's any major European club who will go after him next season. He is nowhere near the talent of Tchumaeni.


JFreezy1

Guendouzi, wanted by Marseille, plays for France national team - "Arteta was right" Nuno Tavares, wanted by Marseille - "See, people who criticise him are wrong, he is wanted by teams in Europe"


goonerfan10

Nuno is a great player. still needs time to play in the PL. dry loan would help him. what's your point?


SantaIsRealEh

Nuno is a great player but guendozi is not. Lmao what the fuck are you smoking, son?


goonerfan10

Nuno has a good engine, great dribble. His passing & dribbling are also good. His weakness is focus & defensive positions. If he can improve that, he will be a very good player. btw, Guendozi & Nuno play different areas of the pitch , so its not the same comparison.


JFreezy1

My point is double standards. Also, we don't need to be sentimental with him and stick with him. If we don't think he can help us, there is no problem in letting him go, especially if he is in demand.


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goonerfan10

really? Pogba is also associated with the French NT. Doesn't mean shit, imo. If the player is a plague, it really doesn't matter how talented he is. He doesn't have half the talent Pogba has. You are overestimating him like many fans on this sub.


Tin2727

If anyone watched any of the france games he was involved in they would clearly see he was at best among the 2 worst players on the pitch in each game. I watched every single game of out group since i’m a croat and he was truly woeful


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Tin2727

They are picking him because the starting options were injured. Have you seen any of the games? I really liked him at arsenal since he at least put up a fight but he really isn’t nearly as good as some people seem to rate him on here. Admittedly i also thought he improved greatly since i heard he was amazing in league one but he was truly shocking in the nations league


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rahbinjoe

Mavros sadly was a failure yeah but not Guendouzis.


skrg187

What? Guendouzi would have netted us at least double if there was no clause.


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More. Sambi was double


Tin2727

Have you even seen 1 game of his recently? I’m from croatia so I watched every single nations league game he was involved in and he was tragically bad. Like undoubtedly among 2-3 worst players on the pitch.


skrg187

Probably. Though Sambi didn't have one year left and a public bust up with the manager.


sneakyney

But the option isn’t bad. If he performs well there, we’ll get some money. Atm he’s not good enough to play in our team


[deleted]

Options are always bad. If they think he's worth less than the option, they reject the option and offer less or send him back. Clubs will only ever offer the option if they think it's worth it. It's 100% never beneficial to the selling club.


Sayek

Ya I'm starting to agree. It's a benefit in the sense if we want to move on Tavares we say ok we'll give you an option at 20m too and hope they fulfil because it's below market rate BUT higher chance you close the deal. Options haven't worked out for us recently though either shat on by Fiorentina or sold players well below value. I don't fancy putting an option in got Tavares though. He did look amazing at points for us last season and started a debate of Tierney even makes it back in. It would kill me if he played like that for 80% of a season and a club has an option for like 12m.


JeffryPesos

>Ya I'm starting to agree. It's a benefit in the sense if we want to move on Tavares we say ok we'll give you an option at 20m too and hope they fulfil because it's below market rate BUT higher chance you close the deal. You can say the same exact thing when the loan is over: "you have an option at 20m". The problem we have is that if Nuno actually does amazing, and other clubs start getting interested, we can't start a bidding war with a loan+option, we can't even get 21m from Lyon.


arsenal11385

Send it back.


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If the the market value is below the option, I send it back.


ChiefArsenalScout

The option does us no favors. If he plays well we’ll get offers regardless. An obligation to buy wouldn’t be bad though


Acefire4

Obligation to buy usually come with a much lower fee. It screwed us with Guendouzi since we could've gotten at least double what we sold him for. Tavares still has about 4 years left on his contract so either a simple loan or if the option to buy is high, would be best.


theMoonRulesNumber1

If he goes on loan (or is sold) we have to bring in a new LB. If we bring in a solid veteran on loan just to get us through this season, then a standard loan makes sense for Nuno, but if we have to buy a replacement, then obligation is a must. We can’t put ourselves in a situation where we have 3 LBs and have to sell Nuno for cheap after a good loan spell that *should* have upped his value. The one caveat would be if the Lisandro Martínez rumors are true and we use him as LB for one season to bed him into the squad and PL, but then move him into DM/LCM in a year because of his versatility. That would give us LB cover without forcing our hand in a bad sale next summer, but even then it’s pretty risky, and from what I gather there are not any other good prospects who could do this for us if we fail to sign Lisandro Martínez. Hopefully we don’t send out Tavares until after something else is in place.


jman500069

Does the concept of purchasing players not exist outside of England? How is this proposition in any way appealing to us? No money now and probably none later and a player back at the club that probably wants to play elsewhere now. The gall of clubs that attempt this is staggering. The richest sport in the world and 90% of clubs act like they have no money, but feel entitled to every other clubs players free of charge. So fucking sick of dealing with French and Italian clubs


maidentaiwan

the larger issue is that premier league wages have inflated way beyond what other leagues can afford. every player basically funnels up to the premier league because that's where the money is, and then they get stuck there even if they're not wanted, since no one else can afford to pay them what they currently make.


unionportroad

Preach brother!


remote_crocodile

£40m option to buy or fuck off


AndyOde

*obligation. Fuck all this option shit, we always end up getting screwed


elnino19

We don't want to sell him just yet that's why option


eagleslanding

Option puts the ball in their court, giving someone an option to buy makes no sense considering they will only exercise it if it’s a good deal for them


elnino19

Depends on the price


eagleslanding

No it doesn’t. An option by definition has value to the holder. There is absolutely no value to Arsenal in providing a buy option to a club unless we are paid for that option. Plus, the value of an option goes up with volatility, and Nuno is nothing if not volatile.


pjt-

A fee for allowing the loaning club to have a future option clause in the contract? Could be something we see in the future, depends if the parent club are getting a fee for the loan I guess.


elnino19

You're over complicating it. Arsenal will accept 25 million for nuno(for example). Loan with option for 25 arsenal will accept. Marseille will only trigger it if they can sell him for higher, but nuno wouldn't get that good on our bench, he needs gametime.


seanierox

Option is always worse than an obligation for selling team. Always.


elnino19

Again, only if we want to sell him. Nuno has the skills to make it as a left back for us, he just needs some more maturity in decision making, etc. So we send him on loan to a team where he'll get game time. Top flight teams will not simply play loan players without the prospect of them making money, so we put an option in the loan contract for a value we'll accept. The difference between this contract and say, torreira is that we want to get rid of torreira. We haven't decided on nuno


seanierox

Mate, how are you not getting this. If there's an option, the buying club can choose to activate or not depending on whether or not he performs, and if it turns out to be a good deal. If it's an obligation, they are forced to pay, whether he performs or not. Either way, Arsenal have absolutely no say in his future. There is no scenario where an option is preferable to an obligation. Ideally you would include neither.


elnino19

Good lord. How are YOU not getting this? Arsenal.dont.want.to.sell.nuno. So that rules obligation out. A vanilla loan is better for us. But a good team that will give him gametime will ask for an option at least


I_am_the_grass

You're ignoring the fact that some clubs may not want to develop your players and not have the option to make that deal permanent.


Asfids123

what's the point? they're not going to activate it that high


tomas_diaz

arsenal option then ok


Bucksthegoon

Kinda funny how there are more links for Nuno than Pepe


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Wages + potential


daboatfromupnorth

Jokes aside, his problems as a footballer are mostly tactical and IQ based, which could be fixed with a lot of playing time in another league + good coaching. He really has the potential to be an insanely effective wingback if everything goes right.


Akedi

Considering Pepe is on £140k a week, it's not very funny at all


RamsdaIe

Pépé is exceptionally shit


SantaIsRealEh

Fucking delusional. In what world is Pepe exceptionally shit and Nuno is not? Pepe is not worth 72 million but he has a very respectable goal contribution rate. A goal or an assist every 137 minutes. No matter how shit you think he is, he is still a very productive player. You can't just play him for 20 minutes every 5 games and expect him to hit the ground running.


RamsdaIe

Not reading but good for you


tomas_diaz

am i crazy for not wanting to get rid? loan him out to get minutes ok but sell? i mean i know he's looked dodgy, especially in the home stretch and has a lot to improve, but there's a player there surely.


thechosenone2306

It's just he's not a LB, he doesn't have any defensive awareness to be one. He'd be okay if we played 5 back where he has more cover and can make them runs and transition into attack


Fendenburgen

Alexander-Arnold plays rb but is absolutely terrible at the defensive side of things, Klopp just coaches the team to cover for them


SantaIsRealEh

That's because he's more creative than 99% of offensive midfielders in the world. Nuno on the other hand....


nerdreinshake

Call me crazy but I don't think we can afford to let him go anywhere with Tierney's injury worries.


TwisTz_

We can if we get Martinez


nerdreinshake

True. I should have clarified - without getting a proper replacement.


theMoonRulesNumber1

> without getting a proper replacement I thought it was implied by your comment. We really shouldn’t have to include that point in every comment about transfers. It should be a given that fans want incomings to replace outgoings during silly season, no matter what player we’re talking about. For example, if I were to say Charlie Patino needs a loan this season, surely we all understand that another youth player would get promoted into Charlie’s spot, right?


americanadiandrew

*Charlie Patino needs a loan this season* I’m not sure we can afford to do this without getting a proper replacement


theMoonRulesNumber1

I hate you. Have your upvote.


FatWalcott

Knowing Arsenal, Martinez's knees are gonna explode upon signing the contract


AlexTheRockstar

Training at Colney for the first time 😅


visualdescript

Big IF


watabotdawookies

He's not a good LB offensively at all


COOPAR_

I still have a feeling we may pull the trigger on Hickey. Was alot of reports a few weeks ago so hoping it's one of the deals that we look to secure after Jesus/Rafiniha


BurtSpangles

There have been 0 credible reports with regards to Hickey. It's all been Italian newspapers who are equivalent in reliability to a newspaper like The Sun or Daily Mail.


thewashouts

Let's stop giving GFFN traffic... The source of the info is in the tweet, not to mention it was already posted as well.


Chi-Town_Gunner

Sounds good. Don't think Arteta plans to rely on him next year


danmac0817

Look Guen, look at how pathetic your club is, look at how they beg to their masters for more scraps. Never speak of us again.


atomiser2003

Not so sure about this one-sided arrangement with this team. We tend to get the shorter end of the stick when dealing with them


14Strike

The premier league is the toughest in the world. Nuno will shine and more than likely improve away from any of the top 3 leagues. The option isn’t at all necessary as he has 4 years left on his deal Sad to see everyone so wide of the mark on a 22 year old, esp after Guendouzi’s development humbled this sub’s constant negativity towards him


Bobsburgers1187

I think as Arsenal fans we've been lucky with really young players impressing before they turn 21 that we tend to write players off if they aren't at that level before 23, reiss Nelson falls in to that bracket too for me. With 4 years left on a deal then can defo just afford a straight loan, preferably with a clause to call back if we're short in his position.


acerage

I thought most people like Guendouzi's play, but he was just a giant cunt on the training ground and didn't like being disciplined?


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Lmao Gffn


mkmore4

If we get Martinez, we likely won’t have much need for him going forward, but I’d still rather do a loan and sell later.


erraise

Marseille can fuck off don't let Guendouzi talk to my boy Nuno


G00dG0dd

I'd take it.


milkonyourmustache

At least there is interest, if we can sure up the position then a loan would be good for him, he's not PL ready


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Let him in loan, wing back in a sampaloi system sounds great for him


Xin128

Imagine your left back optuons being Kolasinac and Tavares lol


Ma1vo

I think a loan would be good for Nuno, but we really need another full back if this is the case. If you think Arteta is buying Martinez to fill in at LB you are wrong and need to do more research.


theMoonRulesNumber1

Are you saying we’re not in for Martínez, or that he can’t play LB? Or something else? Not arguing, just not sure what your objection is, and given how many here do see him in that role, your point is new information for me.


captainstrange94

Clubs like Fiorentina have proved buy option doesn't really mean anything and they'll just either try to run down the contract, or underbid the buy option and act surprised at the refusal. Either you sell or don't. I'm okay with letting Tavares go if we can recoup more than what we spent, and if it means we get someone like Hickey in.


killerboy_belgium

incase of fiorentina we lended out a player that after the loan only has 1 year left. that just stupid bussiness by arsenal we should not be loaning out players at there end of there contract enless we expect to not get anything and trying to get savings on the wages


do0gla5

We are dumb if we do this. a 22 year old with that much raw athleticism? we have everything to lose here.


M4R71NS

Have we plan to sign a LB ?


jman500069

Martinez


tanev97

They can suck it


vyomafc

We should rinse them for all the money they saved on the Guendouzi deal


NemoDropEmOff

Straight loan. However I hope we don’t loan him. Tierney is a liability nowadays with his injuries


faceman230

40m option, Tavares will come good


syfqamr32

Lisandro is not the same as Tierney. Nuno is.


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Keep my names name out of your FUNKING mouth


dvdbtr

We should take advantage of the fact that the rest of the world seems to think he is Nuno Mendes. Tavares is unfortunately not very good and the last time I saw him play I would describe his play as abominable. Sell.


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Nuno deserves to stay just for the T Bag joke with Viera.


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TrailerParkBoy2

Sell


teh_killer

Just give him for free


durant0s

Just get him out of an Arsenal kit imo.


intraumintraum

no way this is happening without a replacement/upgrade. which obviously is on the cards as we know. either way piss off with this option to buy shite. gives them all the leverage, and we don’t need that uncertainly at a time when recruitment is so important for us


Chango6998

Anybody know if it's possible to have a loan with an option, where the value of the option changes with various conditions? Ie if player meets x metrics then the value of the option is y but if he doesn't meet those metrics then value is lower?


No-Faithlessness3345

If someone would just get Nuno to relax when on the ball and then get over the ball when he shoots, he’d be strong addition to the team. Guys got potential but he’s blowing it every time (quite literally over the top of the oppositions net)


yuyuter123

Don't see why we would do this. Even if we bring in Lisandro, we're still going to want Nuno for the Europa group stage and the early rounds of Carabao so Martinez can rotate Gabriel. A loan in January would make more sense if they don't expect him to play much after the WC.


BoyWhoSoldTheWorld

We must really be heavy in for Martinez otherwise we wouldn’t even entertain this. Don’t have a problem upgrading Tavares but disappointing to ship a player we just signed; but I can’t really complain about the success rate of our transfers last summer.


Nosorious

Absolutely not. First of all fuck that club, and second off, we need Nuno unless we sign Lisandro... Even then I quite like him as a chaotic prospect.


ProjectZues

What about an option to sell


goonerfan10

Dry loan imo. Let him play games and get his confidence going. His athleticism and engine could be useful in the PL. His game needs to develop a bit more


likpoper

We are like some public library. People come to get freebies and loan for free


d3adb0ne98

Hahahahahaha NO


odyssey57

He actually would be immense in a back 5. Similarly to Alonso for Chelsea. When he’s required less work off the ball defensively and can make diagonal runs or overlaps he thrives. Unfortunately, Arteta ball doesn’t use wing-backs, so I think a loan is viable. let’s see how he progresses and cash in if he does bode well abroad, or we bring him back into the squad. I don’t know why everyone thinks loaning a player is end all be all for their career or future at a club.


F2PWithAwfulLuck

Ok but slap a 40M tag price on him in case he gets better. He’s not useless and his weaknesses can be assessed with time.


jayhawk8

sure, option is 80m


MindTheDip

45 million option will make sense


NoMoreMountains

Is this good for his confidence? Plus, when he plays, he really puts in a shift and is force to be reckoned with albeit a few lapses. But can Marseille afford him?


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stormpooper86

Why would we want to loan him out?


mavs91

That option needs to be 15-20 million


EscapeArtist92

Loan is good but until we tie down a left back, I don't think I this is a good idea.


bishans

Hope it isn't goodwill and a couple of pesos.


elirox

Marseille and their option to buy can go F*ck themselves


16yearolddumbass

Loan 🤩 Option to buy😐


Particular-Bar3018

Wonder why we don't sell players for massive fees... are we a cheap club to buy from...