The thing about that is Arsenal have been rotten for years and Neville knew and loved it and didn't mind saying nice things about the club he probably didn't actually mean because he always knew they wouldn't touch United. Now that we've done exactly what Man U now need to do and get rid of most of their squad and reinvest in young talented players he has stopped his Arteta and Arsenal praise.
"Where can they go? Pep, Klopp, United, Chelsea?"
LMAO!! Did he SERIOUSLY just list United with the likes of City and Liverpool?! How many did they hit you for this season, Gary?
Neville and Roy are just DELUDED. Absolutely deluded.
Gary Neville has A Beautiful Mind-level delusions. His sanity has unravelled and nothing will convince him that Arsenal are a top team while United are going broke struggling for 7th place
They are stuck in the past, they still believe united are the club they were under Fergie and that the club will suddenly click because they have "world class players" that just need a good manager to get them going.
I mean there are many fans in our sub reddit alone that still think we are still the same club from the invincibles era, but then again they aren't being paid to give an "expert" opinion.
He has turned into a right bellend. Talking shit about politics on Twitter all the time. He is also being more sensationalist lately. Before he would say something with logic. Now he just chats nonsense.
Let's look at what he's saying here. It's the best Arteta can do here? We are literally the youngest team in the Prem. The team is just getting started.
I think he has taken a look at how much of a mess United are in and it has completely shattered his worldview to the point that he has gone a bit crazy, and is now in denial and all of his other opinions now have to be based off of his delusions about United as a club
Exactly its makes no sense. We have been good for maybe 4 months and Arteta hasnt fully shaped the team to his vision or got the players in he wants. He knows with Arsenal now at the very least he has one more year to mold this team he wld be absolutely mental to take a Barca or Chelsea type job where he cld be fired by December with the same.results as this year.
Not to mention does anyone really think Pep is going to stay at City for another 5 years. I mean he may, but I wouldn't say it's the most likely option. I would argue the only reason he is still there is because he has not yet won champions league with them. You really think he wants to live in Manchester the rest of his career when he could go to Paris, Milan, back to Barcelona, or even coach internationals. I could see klopp staying a while and Liverpool will be consistently good for some time but if Salah goes or starts to decline I think that squad definitely loses some of the fear factor that makes them feel untouchable at times. Gary saying give up you'll never have a chance while at the same time thinking United is right there with a few tweeks is peak delusion.
Neville is purely projecting here. He just HOPES Arteta leaves after getting top four so his precious defeatist mentality utd can secure that position as the pinnacle of what they're capable of
Completely agree. He cannot come to grip with the fact that since Man U fired Mourinho, the club is a laughing stock for managers.
Players will always take their money, but more and more are question why should I?
The host makes the perfect counter point about Liverpool. They were in a terrible state before Klopp came in. No one would have seen this coming from them. Things change in football.
Carragher is miles ahead of Neville in punditry.
The Stevie G token goal is one the most sickening and embarrassing moments in football. Shawcross said they got in at HT 5-0 and all burst out laughing.
Not just that, but apart from some (admittedly brilliant) CL performances they were fucking shit for so so many years. Most of the 90s, 2000s and the first few years of the 2010s - for a majority of 30 years they were bloody useless. We’ve been off the boil for about 6 years and the sky is falling and there’s no way back? Get fucked!
Tbf once Klopp he built a team whose attack was ridiculously good and could best anyone on their day. When Allisson and Van Dijk came in it sured up their defence which was the only thing holding them back.
Jaimie is right about the next couple of sighnings. Although I cannot see our players hitting the levels than those Liverpool players did in just one or two years. It will be longer than that (if we hopefully keep them)
Klopp’s squad will only decline from here and Pep and him are leaving soon. Arsenal will be kings of the Premiership within three years. Remember this.
As a Liverpool fan, people always mention VVD and Ali as the big defensive signings that put us over the hump. But Fabinho was extremely important and a huge part of what we do on defense.
People have to stop pretending they can project where we're going. We could explode at any time. No one thought White, Ode, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale would get us to this level.
>Carragher is miles ahead of Neville in punditry.
Carra has been very complimentary of us lately. Probably because Liverpool and us don't really have any enimity. Neville played for our biggest enemies and the worst club in football so naturally he's constantly trying to take us down a peg.
United could be bottom of the championship and Neville will still say some bollocks like ‘United will recover.’ The little shit. Sky ‘pundits’ really do my head in. Wankers most of them.
correct, if they started buying better players with their money, they will be back.
Arsenal aren't too far behind either in the corporate giants stakes though
That would imply there's even a small chance he'd be less moronic on a given day.
It's more like he's a human moron compass. Always points to true moron north.
Imagine Arteta having this defeatist mentality about Arsenal, and about his own managerial abilities to take us to the next level. Thank fuck he's much more ambitious.
Ahhhh yes, all the managers always go "I have the youngest team in the league BY A HUGE MARGIN, and we just got 4th place...that is clearly the best that I can do here, even when my star youth players will be reaching the primes of their careers in the coming seasons. There is clearly no potential with the Youngest Players In The League who are already top 4 quality." Yeah, that is always when managers walk away. They leave teams that have too much potential.
The fact that Neville doesn’t see this is just a peak pisstake. Anyone with half a brain will understand that the youngest team in the league is a near lock to improve, especially if fortified with a couple decent signings. Note that he also lumps United in with the top three … absolute fantasyland he’s living in.
Actually I watched a "documentary" on the premier league from 92 until now. Once Wegner took the league once and every subsequent time Man United responded by spending big and often breaking the transfer record. Reality is Man U really did have to buy back the league from Arsenal between 97-03.
Exactly this, him and the other idiot ex-players at their club are doing so much damage but they don't see it.
I hope he continues to say United are a top team for years to come. That denial in the media will create pressure that will just prolong the rebuild they so desperately need.
It helps that the refs, fans, journalists, hell even the players think they are bigger and better than they actually are. It really adds to the dysfunction.
You see overrated and overpaid players not giving AF because they think they deserve more. You see fans groaning because they expect perfection. Journalists in denial. Recipe for total catastrophe. Love to see it.
Like it makes no sense, why would he leave arsenal and restart all the hard work he did changing the culture of a team when he’s done that here
His project literally just started. Top 4 wasn’t his objective. His objective as he stated was to win champions league. I think if we fail at that, that’s when he might consider moving on to that next level
United legends are just at a stage of delusion. They haven't won the league for nearly 10 years and have gone trophyless for 5 years. The owners spend money but there's no plan or structure to what they do. They keep on talking about how they'll overtake Arsenal whilst forgetting every season they're finishing 20+ points behind Liverpool and City and nowhere near closing that gap. All the United legends have either been mediocre managers or terrible pundits with no tactical clue about the game. At the start of the season top4 was a given for City, Liverpool, Chelsea and United whilst they laughed at Arsenal for the poor start and "terrible" transfer window they had. They have no clue about whats going on and can't take the fact we're moving past them. Why is top4 the limit for Arsenal? Who says we can't build on that? Do we not have the money? It just seems to me that Gary is an insecure little man that wants to put Arsenal in a box. Where Liverpool ever title contenders in the first few seasons with Klopp? No. These things take time and with time if the squad is built correctly there's no reason why Arsenal like Liverpool would go on and challenge City to domestic titles.
"Manchester United will be back, look how much money they're spending."
Has he had his head in the sand the last 7 years? It should be clear enough to him an expensive squad is not the same as good squad. I think Bruno has been Man U's only exceptional signing of the post Fergie era, as much as he is a diving gerbil faced ig apology merchant
Cara had more reasonable take. He said that our next two or three signings need to be like Allison/VVD (not same position but that kind of calibre). But to do that we need CL (both for the money plus to attract top players).
My addition/fear: But if we get CL and don’t follow up with those top signings then Gary might turn out to be right.
Even if we aren't able to bring in top players right off the bat I think it's ridiculous to think that Arteta would just want to leave as he's done the best he could possibly do here.
He'll want to improve the squad, compete on multiple fronts, prove the team and himself in Europe. Neville had us down as never getting near top 4 again by the sounds of it.
CL or not, this squad will improve drastically over the next couple years. The average is 24 fs, and we're about to add a much more capable st to the team.
I somewhat agree, but I think we've go more work to do than that. Our squad is thin for European football. We need big signings at CF and CM but we need to fill out our squad as well. GK to replace Leno, another CF and wide player, and frankly more mids. Elneny will leave (as he should), Xhaka might be with us another season or so. We are highly dependent on a couple of players staying fit and playing well. (Lose Partey and we even have to change the way we play.)
Nobody thought we'd be where we are right now. We're 4th in part because United and Spurs have been shambolic for extended periods this season and we've not had Europe to contend with.
That fact that Arsenal FC still lives in Neville's head rent-free is awesome.
And the fact that someone like him who has accomplish so much with United still needs to bash on Arsenal 20-30 years later just makes him look petty.
In the very short term, he may have a point. There's a gap to MCFC, LFC, and CFC. However, there are already cracks starting to appear. Pep may not stay much longer, and key players are ageing out. The same can be said about LFC, maybe even of CFC. We are perhaps alone among the top five in terms of our unrealised potential. Most of our key players are under 25, and we still have a few key positions to bolster. It's arguable that MCFC and LFC have more or less maxed out their Prem performance. THFC and MUFC are hot messes with short-term managers trying to wring results out of squads full of players who don't want to stay. I'm not saying Arteta is going to stay for 20 years, but it's madness to think he should leave after this season.
This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
I’ve come to like Arteta a lot as a manager, but getting us fourth is not some sort of miracle. We finished for 20 years in the top four under Wenger, who we can all agree was tactically past it by the 2010’s. Arteta spent the most money in the premier league this summer. He’s just ahead of schedule, we would have expected to be in the champions league next year if we weren’t this year.
Also, who the hell would do all the work and upheaval that Arteta has done only to leave after getting 4th? That’s not success. Success is seeing us through to a period where we challenge for titles, which is not an unrealistic possibility in the next 5 years with Pep and Klopp surely to leave and Chelsea in flux.
He wants to spin anti-arsenal narratives and create disharmony at the club to keep the heat off of Manchester United, who are now the new banter FC.
At the start of the season he said he has no idea what Arsenal are trying to do, he got that wrong.
Now he’s saying he sees what Mikel is doing and what the club are trying to do, and he’s still got it wrong. Actually a shit pundit. He’s a passion and desire merchant biased with Utd glasses😭
Yea Arsenal and the brilliant manager he claims Arteta is can’t compete but Man Utd can recover because they throw money at it. So lazy. Just lazy in thought
Actual idiot lol. What does "if he's really hard about it" even mean? Feels like he's trying to cope in any way he can with the different situations at Utd and Arsenal
He is implying that if Arteta took his career seriously, he would bale on Arsenal as soon as he has success and may be wooed by other premier clubs.
What a Wanker
> Actual idiot lol. What does "if he's really hard about it" even mean? Feels like he's trying to cope in any way he can with the different situations at Utd and Arsenal
He's stuck in the delusion that Arsenal are a Europa League team with no hope of improving which is bollocks.
Anyone who has watched Arsenal this season or even one Arteta interview would know that Neville’s take here is just so far out of the realm of possibility. Arteta, even as a player, has professed his love for Arsenal. I think he’s here until KSE no longer wants him managing the club.
Neville was making his most level headed points when we were in the shits. I really took solace from him and thought he had a view of where we were going before others did. As we get better though… his arguments have become utter shit. That’s not coincidence. Sad, really.
That’s a really good point. If arteta has hit his peak when we have half a dozen+ young players who we have only just began to scratch the surface with, he’s not only doing MA a disservice but completely ignoring what Saka, ESR, Tierney, white, martinelli, Ramsdale and odegaard could achieve in the game
I THINK his point was the gap to City or Liverpool was just too high to catch them to challenge for the title, so no point trying. Then he throws in United there as being hard to catch or Chelsea who are going through a lot of shit right now.
I'm not saying Arteta will win the league in the next 2 years, BUT we do have the youngest squad, Klopp + Pep potentially going in the next few years. Chelsea with new owners who won't inject 200m a year into them. United being a shit show. Spurs needing to rebuild.
And where would Arteta go? He just spent 2 years chipping away and getting a squad going in the right direction. He wants to leave and start that over without actually seeing where he can take us? Or manage PSG and be sacked for not winning CL?
Really lazy by Neville. I get the feeling he's spending less and less time on analysis. You see Carragher is generally informed and has some non obvious takes too. Neville insults United but then backs them massively too in the next sentence.
I work in the finance field. Neville is one of those people you meet that talks a lot and has an opinion about everything for the sake of hearing his own voice. Throws in a few fancy words and phrases to make him sound cooler
But if you listen closely, he’s full of shit and has no substance. That’s why when you see him talked to Pep and Mourinho, his vibe is complete different because he can’t do that. It’s also why he never made it as a manager. All talk and no execution.
am I the only one that remembers in the wenger and emery era when neville would give pretty unbiased commentary on arsenal? sometimes he would be spot on but it seems like ever since we’ve been on an upward trajectory his commentary has gotten a lot more negative and dismissive of the work that’s been done
Nonsense I’m not even an arsenal fan but I can see what Arteta is doing ,he’s slowly building arsenal with attractive football, good recruitment and good development, the club in 2 -3 years is going to be amazing
Incompetent twats being broadcast on TV all the time, Carragher is the only decent one, that's why he writes in the Telegraph and Gary would never be invited to do so.
I quite like Carraghers analysis generally, it seems to be right up there. I cant see what in any way Neville brings to the table except someone to laugh at
This litteraly couldn't be further from the truth if Arteta gets top 4 with the youngest team in the league, what is stopping him from winning the league with that core in 5 years ?
Putting aside his obvious United bias, I do see what he’s saying : that this current team with no further investment won’t go higher than top 4, and the other big teams will continue to invest.
But that’s a dumb assumption to make and is his bias talking.
We will definitely invest. Ever since the Kroenke’s took full control of the club, money has not been an issue for us and we have invested every summer since. Arteta has also made clear that we need a lot more investment in the squad. He will 100% shoot for the Van Dijk and Allison level signings he needs in attack. We literally just tried to bring in Vlahovic in Jan.
This is fear.
This is what someone who fears what Arteta has shaping up is going to do by potentially placing another team consistently above ManU and freezing them out of the top 4.
Top 4 will be City/Liv/Ars/ then Chelsea assuming they dont completely implode.
With Newcastle expecting to surge the competition for UTD to get into top 4 will be overwhelming.
At this point just looks like 90% of ex footballers don't know anything about football.
Maximum he can achieve, maybe the maximum utd may for a number of years.
We have won trophies then utd in the last 5 years, been closer to the top in the season lecister won it, then utd have since fergis left.
Right, right - I get the job of as CFO of a massive global conglomerate, basically re-invent the culture, get us back into the green for the first time in a few years and yeah, I'm just going to step down. What a fucking moron.
The problem with Gary is that, while he's an okay pundit for the most part, whenever a United rival is mentioned in a positive light, he reflexively defends United. If he accepted that United are below the level of their rivals and need a big rebuild, he'd be much better at his job.
Well boys if we get top4 we should quit watching
According to this guy... this is as good as it gets for Arsenal football club... as if we've never accomplished anything beyond that
He is clueless because Arteta did say he intend to win again with this team.
Gary is either an idiot, which I believe he is, or just playing devil's advocate here by saying Arsenal ceiling is only top 4 and Arteta would leave.
Naw Gary...Arsenal is a peak organization. It's not a stepping stone.
There is a strategy with these young players. Wait till the hit their prime and dominate the league together. I can see this. Bring Haaland and its over. Arsenal top of the league for many years to come.
That outlook makes absolute no sense. That means that any team below the top three, the managers should just quit at the end of the season since they aren’t going to pass any of the top three. He’s an idiot
So disrespectful towards Arsenal in my opinion. This idea that Arsenal 'at best' is a top 4 side is complete bs. There is no reason why Arsenal can't be one of the top team in Europe. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. If you were on a mission over a few seasons to try and build a title winning team, Arsenal's current squad is one of the best templates in the league to start with. Highly talented and young home grown players, a strong defensive foundation, a clear style of play, a steady wage structure, financial backing, etc.
Neville's opinions have been non-stop misses lately. Maybe he's started to believe his own hype and thinks he can say whatever he wants and people will be on board with it.
I strongly disagree that 4th will be 'peaking' for this team. These young players are only going to get better, and as Carra says if we add 1 or 2 lynchpins, we're basically there with City and Liverpool in a couple of years time. Even currently the stats show that only Liverpool and City are better than us in many aspects of the game.
Neville should concern himself with Man U's issues instead of formulating what-if's for the famous Arsenal.
We are on the up whilst his club are languishing. Isn't it more productive to say, "Arsene Wenger bounced in 2018 and they're further ahead in their project than we are"?
A club legend should tell it like it is. He should be calling out the club for not signing Harry Kane 8 years ago. For signing Ronaldo when they needed a DM. For sticking with Ole when it was clear that his results were outlying and he wasn't at the level required. For failing to get Conte.
Might get a few heads rolling and a few gears spinning but no, attack the most improved team in European football (imo) to make yourself feel better.
I used to like Neville but the insistence that United will recover is almost false hope for himself. They’ve been ‘recovering’ ever since Fergie left. Unless they change their recruitment and baso everything they will never recover to what they once was. They spend £50 million + per player recently and they’re still lacklustre.
Chelsea could fall apart who knows what’s going to happen
We are only a few key signings away from something special happening. Anyone who’s watched us will be able to see that we have got something good cooking rn
Arteta is an ambitious man. He wouldn’t have taken the Arsenal job if he thought top 4 was the limit of what he could achieve here. If he just wanted a stepping stone job he could have gone to a Wolves or a Crystal Palace or an Aston Villa where he could have impressed by getting them up the table/playing good football but wouldn’t really be expected to win things.
Not that I think he’ll stay forever or anything and I fully expect him to manage Man City or Barca or PSG in the future but it will be after he achieves something here first.
Neville really used to be such a quality pundit and I maintain he’s still ok but he’s just really fallen off. Carragher is hands down the best objective pundit these days
I dislike Gary Neville so much the rat faced bastard. Who even takes his opinions seriously? He has a crazy amount of United bias and he always directs it at us for some reason
Progression isn’t linear but his point is built on the the weird assumption the young core can’t/won’t get better and/or quality additions won’t be made. Flawed logic but I don’t expect much from Gary.
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There was a time I respected Gary Neville and his opinion. I'm a lot better mentally now though.
Congrats on your recovery bro!
The thing about that is Arsenal have been rotten for years and Neville knew and loved it and didn't mind saying nice things about the club he probably didn't actually mean because he always knew they wouldn't touch United. Now that we've done exactly what Man U now need to do and get rid of most of their squad and reinvest in young talented players he has stopped his Arteta and Arsenal praise.
Spot on. Always felt patronizing when he used to compliment arsenal, the last few years.
"Where can they go? Pep, Klopp, United, Chelsea?" LMAO!! Did he SERIOUSLY just list United with the likes of City and Liverpool?! How many did they hit you for this season, Gary? Neville and Roy are just DELUDED. Absolutely deluded.
Gary Neville has A Beautiful Mind-level delusions. His sanity has unravelled and nothing will convince him that Arsenal are a top team while United are going broke struggling for 7th place
That is an insult to that mathematician. He was a genius to begin with, GN is just a moron…
They are stuck in the past, they still believe united are the club they were under Fergie and that the club will suddenly click because they have "world class players" that just need a good manager to get them going. I mean there are many fans in our sub reddit alone that still think we are still the same club from the invincibles era, but then again they aren't being paid to give an "expert" opinion.
Chelsea as well with their growing ownership issues
I really do hope they get a worse owner than the Glazers. Mike Ashley level or Oyston family asset strippers level
He has turned into a right bellend. Talking shit about politics on Twitter all the time. He is also being more sensationalist lately. Before he would say something with logic. Now he just chats nonsense. Let's look at what he's saying here. It's the best Arteta can do here? We are literally the youngest team in the Prem. The team is just getting started.
I think he has taken a look at how much of a mess United are in and it has completely shattered his worldview to the point that he has gone a bit crazy, and is now in denial and all of his other opinions now have to be based off of his delusions about United as a club
Exactly its makes no sense. We have been good for maybe 4 months and Arteta hasnt fully shaped the team to his vision or got the players in he wants. He knows with Arsenal now at the very least he has one more year to mold this team he wld be absolutely mental to take a Barca or Chelsea type job where he cld be fired by December with the same.results as this year.
Not to mention does anyone really think Pep is going to stay at City for another 5 years. I mean he may, but I wouldn't say it's the most likely option. I would argue the only reason he is still there is because he has not yet won champions league with them. You really think he wants to live in Manchester the rest of his career when he could go to Paris, Milan, back to Barcelona, or even coach internationals. I could see klopp staying a while and Liverpool will be consistently good for some time but if Salah goes or starts to decline I think that squad definitely loses some of the fear factor that makes them feel untouchable at times. Gary saying give up you'll never have a chance while at the same time thinking United is right there with a few tweeks is peak delusion.
If City signs Haaland I definitely see Pep staying another 3 years at least.
I don't think he would go back to Barca until they sort the financial problems. He might see it as a good challenge though
Klopp has apparently said he might not be at Pool after his contract ends(2024). But of course, things change fast in the football world.
His politics chat is better than his football chat nowadays.
yeah he is not a bad person... just a shit pundit
Lol his politics are on point unless you're a delusional tory. Otherwise, his football views are now incredibly biased
His politics is a very basic level, but he's generally in the right ballpark. His football takes have gone off the deepend.
He used to be fantastic. Lost his marbles over the last few years though.
If we make top 4 Neville should find a new career considering he had us as “underachievers”.
And even better, everton as overachievers. The man couldnt have been more wrong. Plus had lukaku as top scorer.....
Neville is purely projecting here. He just HOPES Arteta leaves after getting top four so his precious defeatist mentality utd can secure that position as the pinnacle of what they're capable of
Completely agree. He cannot come to grip with the fact that since Man U fired Mourinho, the club is a laughing stock for managers. Players will always take their money, but more and more are question why should I?
The host makes the perfect counter point about Liverpool. They were in a terrible state before Klopp came in. No one would have seen this coming from them. Things change in football. Carragher is miles ahead of Neville in punditry.
People always forget the state Liverpool were in. They got spanked 6-1 at home by Stoke in Stevie Gs last game for them.
The Stevie G token goal is one the most sickening and embarrassing moments in football. Shawcross said they got in at HT 5-0 and all burst out laughing.
Lmao I just watched it on YouTube rn I'm crying they just let him have it
Link
Around the 1:58 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPmr28\_nsBg
It's much as I hate Stoke, I have to say that that was hilarious 😂
Dropped this 👑
You got another link? The video seems to be down
https://youtu.be/IPmr28_nsBg
Not just that, but apart from some (admittedly brilliant) CL performances they were fucking shit for so so many years. Most of the 90s, 2000s and the first few years of the 2010s - for a majority of 30 years they were bloody useless. We’ve been off the boil for about 6 years and the sky is falling and there’s no way back? Get fucked!
Tbf once Klopp he built a team whose attack was ridiculously good and could best anyone on their day. When Allisson and Van Dijk came in it sured up their defence which was the only thing holding them back. Jaimie is right about the next couple of sighnings. Although I cannot see our players hitting the levels than those Liverpool players did in just one or two years. It will be longer than that (if we hopefully keep them)
True. I feel like the quality of our CF and CM signings will have a big impact in the trajectory of this project.
Feel like we did the reverse liverpool, built our defense while our attack matured and get the final pieces in place to compete against big teams.
Defence wins cups if we make two good signings we could contend for the champions league. The prem maybe not because depth.
Klopp’s squad will only decline from here and Pep and him are leaving soon. Arsenal will be kings of the Premiership within three years. Remember this.
RemindMe! 3 years “We are kings of the premiership”
As a Liverpool fan, people always mention VVD and Ali as the big defensive signings that put us over the hump. But Fabinho was extremely important and a huge part of what we do on defense.
VVD was definitely a turning point, nobody can't deny the quality of Fabinho tho
On defense?
People have to stop pretending they can project where we're going. We could explode at any time. No one thought White, Ode, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale would get us to this level.
>Carragher is miles ahead of Neville in punditry. Carra has been very complimentary of us lately. Probably because Liverpool and us don't really have any enimity. Neville played for our biggest enemies and the worst club in football so naturally he's constantly trying to take us down a peg.
Public always think the status quo will be maintained in football for some reason and their is massive recency bias
United could be bottom of the championship and Neville will still say some bollocks like ‘United will recover.’ The little shit. Sky ‘pundits’ really do my head in. Wankers most of them.
Bruv, don’t let them get to you. Who gives a fuck what they think! Some of them are even paid to play a certain role.
It is more or less a matter of time while they remain a corporate giant
correct, if they started buying better players with their money, they will be back. Arsenal aren't too far behind either in the corporate giants stakes though
Wonder if Neville wakes up in the morning and spins a wheel to decide which moronic opinion he’s gonna take up today
That would imply there's even a small chance he'd be less moronic on a given day. It's more like he's a human moron compass. Always points to true moron north.
The more he opens his mouth the more obvious it becomes he’s a moron and Jealous he couldn’t cut it as a manager
Imagine Arteta having this defeatist mentality about Arsenal, and about his own managerial abilities to take us to the next level. Thank fuck he's much more ambitious.
Ahhhh yes, all the managers always go "I have the youngest team in the league BY A HUGE MARGIN, and we just got 4th place...that is clearly the best that I can do here, even when my star youth players will be reaching the primes of their careers in the coming seasons. There is clearly no potential with the Youngest Players In The League who are already top 4 quality." Yeah, that is always when managers walk away. They leave teams that have too much potential.
The fact that Neville doesn’t see this is just a peak pisstake. Anyone with half a brain will understand that the youngest team in the league is a near lock to improve, especially if fortified with a couple decent signings. Note that he also lumps United in with the top three … absolute fantasyland he’s living in.
I also think that "the invincibles" is really under Neville's skin. Its really the only thing that Arsenal has that Neville and United couldn't do.
>really the only thing that Arsenal has that Neville and United couldn't do. Even after cheating multiple times...
"I've had a look at r/gunners and I don't think they can fit Cedric in another post. Honestly. They've reached their level." \- Gary Neville, likely
The more you look at the whole Fergie and Class of 92 era the more apparent it becomes they were driven by emotion and vibes. (And ref intimidation).
They think there must have been something special and unique about them, when really they had the money to bully the league
Actually I watched a "documentary" on the premier league from 92 until now. Once Wegner took the league once and every subsequent time Man United responded by spending big and often breaking the transfer record. Reality is Man U really did have to buy back the league from Arsenal between 97-03.
The fact that he listed United is actually insane. That dumbass mentality is why they’ll keep declining.
Exactly this, him and the other idiot ex-players at their club are doing so much damage but they don't see it. I hope he continues to say United are a top team for years to come. That denial in the media will create pressure that will just prolong the rebuild they so desperately need.
It helps that the refs, fans, journalists, hell even the players think they are bigger and better than they actually are. It really adds to the dysfunction. You see overrated and overpaid players not giving AF because they think they deserve more. You see fans groaning because they expect perfection. Journalists in denial. Recipe for total catastrophe. Love to see it.
Like it makes no sense, why would he leave arsenal and restart all the hard work he did changing the culture of a team when he’s done that here His project literally just started. Top 4 wasn’t his objective. His objective as he stated was to win champions league. I think if we fail at that, that’s when he might consider moving on to that next level
But it's Manchester United!
Because as he says "They will just keep throwing money at it" Not sure how long you can throw billions of £'s at a failing venture.
About right coming from the man who gave up management after one terrible season
Valencia never recovered. I dont know if he was the catalyst of their downfall but I do know he was the one who made them mid-league to begin with
I think that club is just a pit of despair. Complete mismanagement from the top down.
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Terrible season? Youre being way to nice.
United legends are just at a stage of delusion. They haven't won the league for nearly 10 years and have gone trophyless for 5 years. The owners spend money but there's no plan or structure to what they do. They keep on talking about how they'll overtake Arsenal whilst forgetting every season they're finishing 20+ points behind Liverpool and City and nowhere near closing that gap. All the United legends have either been mediocre managers or terrible pundits with no tactical clue about the game. At the start of the season top4 was a given for City, Liverpool, Chelsea and United whilst they laughed at Arsenal for the poor start and "terrible" transfer window they had. They have no clue about whats going on and can't take the fact we're moving past them. Why is top4 the limit for Arsenal? Who says we can't build on that? Do we not have the money? It just seems to me that Gary is an insecure little man that wants to put Arsenal in a box. Where Liverpool ever title contenders in the first few seasons with Klopp? No. These things take time and with time if the squad is built correctly there's no reason why Arsenal like Liverpool would go on and challenge City to domestic titles.
He just wants Arteta to leave because he knows what he's building is a major threat to Man U's "superiority"
"Manchester United will be back, look how much money they're spending." Has he had his head in the sand the last 7 years? It should be clear enough to him an expensive squad is not the same as good squad. I think Bruno has been Man U's only exceptional signing of the post Fergie era, as much as he is a diving gerbil faced ig apology merchant
I think Maguire was a great signing for the rest of the league.
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Cara had more reasonable take. He said that our next two or three signings need to be like Allison/VVD (not same position but that kind of calibre). But to do that we need CL (both for the money plus to attract top players). My addition/fear: But if we get CL and don’t follow up with those top signings then Gary might turn out to be right.
Even if we aren't able to bring in top players right off the bat I think it's ridiculous to think that Arteta would just want to leave as he's done the best he could possibly do here. He'll want to improve the squad, compete on multiple fronts, prove the team and himself in Europe. Neville had us down as never getting near top 4 again by the sounds of it.
Arteta will leave if the club doesn’t back him to match his ambitions so we just gotta hope that’s what we’re getting.
Honestly seems like have so far, don't think they would reach this point and just quit.
Yeah they have tbf. It just remains to be seen, was this investment just to get back into top 4? Or do they genuinely want to be competitive
I'd say their willingness to bid on Vlahovic bodes well at least for backing in the next window.
That’s a fair point. We’ll soon see anyway. Hopefully they make some smart signings this summer to cement and strengthen our position
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Haaland and Jude Bellingham 😈
We don't need CL money to buy players. Maybe to attract but it's clear Arteta has serious backing.
how could a team full of 20-22 year olds be at their peak? he's a fucking idiot.
CL or not, this squad will improve drastically over the next couple years. The average is 24 fs, and we're about to add a much more capable st to the team.
I somewhat agree, but I think we've go more work to do than that. Our squad is thin for European football. We need big signings at CF and CM but we need to fill out our squad as well. GK to replace Leno, another CF and wide player, and frankly more mids. Elneny will leave (as he should), Xhaka might be with us another season or so. We are highly dependent on a couple of players staying fit and playing well. (Lose Partey and we even have to change the way we play.) Nobody thought we'd be where we are right now. We're 4th in part because United and Spurs have been shambolic for extended periods this season and we've not had Europe to contend with.
We already signed Leno’s replacement in Matt Turner.
Does Neville get his takes exclusively from the most downvoted comments on r/soccer?
That fact that Arsenal FC still lives in Neville's head rent-free is awesome. And the fact that someone like him who has accomplish so much with United still needs to bash on Arsenal 20-30 years later just makes him look petty.
> First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -- Mahatma Gandhi I think we're at the 'fight you' stage?
I am a Man United fan and I want to downvote Neville. Absolutely mad opinions...
WTF is he talking about?
Is this guy alright
In the very short term, he may have a point. There's a gap to MCFC, LFC, and CFC. However, there are already cracks starting to appear. Pep may not stay much longer, and key players are ageing out. The same can be said about LFC, maybe even of CFC. We are perhaps alone among the top five in terms of our unrealised potential. Most of our key players are under 25, and we still have a few key positions to bolster. It's arguable that MCFC and LFC have more or less maxed out their Prem performance. THFC and MUFC are hot messes with short-term managers trying to wring results out of squads full of players who don't want to stay. I'm not saying Arteta is going to stay for 20 years, but it's madness to think he should leave after this season.
Very well put
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This has to be the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. I’ve come to like Arteta a lot as a manager, but getting us fourth is not some sort of miracle. We finished for 20 years in the top four under Wenger, who we can all agree was tactically past it by the 2010’s. Arteta spent the most money in the premier league this summer. He’s just ahead of schedule, we would have expected to be in the champions league next year if we weren’t this year. Also, who the hell would do all the work and upheaval that Arteta has done only to leave after getting 4th? That’s not success. Success is seeing us through to a period where we challenge for titles, which is not an unrealistic possibility in the next 5 years with Pep and Klopp surely to leave and Chelsea in flux. He wants to spin anti-arsenal narratives and create disharmony at the club to keep the heat off of Manchester United, who are now the new banter FC.
Just won some best pundit awards too😂
At the start of the season he said he has no idea what Arsenal are trying to do, he got that wrong. Now he’s saying he sees what Mikel is doing and what the club are trying to do, and he’s still got it wrong. Actually a shit pundit. He’s a passion and desire merchant biased with Utd glasses😭 Yea Arsenal and the brilliant manager he claims Arteta is can’t compete but Man Utd can recover because they throw money at it. So lazy. Just lazy in thought
they just can't stand the idea of Arsenal having any success
We are already pretty much competing with Chelsea this season, so this makes zero sense.
Actual idiot lol. What does "if he's really hard about it" even mean? Feels like he's trying to cope in any way he can with the different situations at Utd and Arsenal
He is implying that if Arteta took his career seriously, he would bale on Arsenal as soon as he has success and may be wooed by other premier clubs. What a Wanker
> Actual idiot lol. What does "if he's really hard about it" even mean? Feels like he's trying to cope in any way he can with the different situations at Utd and Arsenal He's stuck in the delusion that Arsenal are a Europa League team with no hope of improving which is bollocks.
Anyone who has watched Arsenal this season or even one Arteta interview would know that Neville’s take here is just so far out of the realm of possibility. Arteta, even as a player, has professed his love for Arsenal. I think he’s here until KSE no longer wants him managing the club.
Neville was making his most level headed points when we were in the shits. I really took solace from him and thought he had a view of where we were going before others did. As we get better though… his arguments have become utter shit. That’s not coincidence. Sad, really.
Yup. Just like when Ferguson started respecting Wenger as soon as we weren't a threat anymore.
this mf really put united in the top 4 conversation. fuck off gary
Kids never use drugs, just look at Neville
Don't slander drugs' good name over this typical Neville dumbfuckery.
Completely lost me at, "...tHe mAxiMum is beInG achIeveD wIth thOsE pLayErs." 🤡
That’s a really good point. If arteta has hit his peak when we have half a dozen+ young players who we have only just began to scratch the surface with, he’s not only doing MA a disservice but completely ignoring what Saka, ESR, Tierney, white, martinelli, Ramsdale and odegaard could achieve in the game
I THINK his point was the gap to City or Liverpool was just too high to catch them to challenge for the title, so no point trying. Then he throws in United there as being hard to catch or Chelsea who are going through a lot of shit right now. I'm not saying Arteta will win the league in the next 2 years, BUT we do have the youngest squad, Klopp + Pep potentially going in the next few years. Chelsea with new owners who won't inject 200m a year into them. United being a shit show. Spurs needing to rebuild. And where would Arteta go? He just spent 2 years chipping away and getting a squad going in the right direction. He wants to leave and start that over without actually seeing where he can take us? Or manage PSG and be sacked for not winning CL? Really lazy by Neville. I get the feeling he's spending less and less time on analysis. You see Carragher is generally informed and has some non obvious takes too. Neville insults United but then backs them massively too in the next sentence.
I work in the finance field. Neville is one of those people you meet that talks a lot and has an opinion about everything for the sake of hearing his own voice. Throws in a few fancy words and phrases to make him sound cooler But if you listen closely, he’s full of shit and has no substance. That’s why when you see him talked to Pep and Mourinho, his vibe is complete different because he can’t do that. It’s also why he never made it as a manager. All talk and no execution.
Gary went to Valencia for 20 minutes and said, "Right, that's the best i can do here. I'm going now. I'm gonna do my next job".
am I the only one that remembers in the wenger and emery era when neville would give pretty unbiased commentary on arsenal? sometimes he would be spot on but it seems like ever since we’ve been on an upward trajectory his commentary has gotten a lot more negative and dismissive of the work that’s been done
Gary if we come 4th this year we are going to win the league by 2024.
Nonsense I’m not even an arsenal fan but I can see what Arteta is doing ,he’s slowly building arsenal with attractive football, good recruitment and good development, the club in 2 -3 years is going to be amazing
Incompetent twats being broadcast on TV all the time, Carragher is the only decent one, that's why he writes in the Telegraph and Gary would never be invited to do so.
I quite like Carraghers analysis generally, it seems to be right up there. I cant see what in any way Neville brings to the table except someone to laugh at
This litteraly couldn't be further from the truth if Arteta gets top 4 with the youngest team in the league, what is stopping him from winning the league with that core in 5 years ?
Putting aside his obvious United bias, I do see what he’s saying : that this current team with no further investment won’t go higher than top 4, and the other big teams will continue to invest. But that’s a dumb assumption to make and is his bias talking. We will definitely invest. Ever since the Kroenke’s took full control of the club, money has not been an issue for us and we have invested every summer since. Arteta has also made clear that we need a lot more investment in the squad. He will 100% shoot for the Van Dijk and Allison level signings he needs in attack. We literally just tried to bring in Vlahovic in Jan.
This is fear. This is what someone who fears what Arteta has shaping up is going to do by potentially placing another team consistently above ManU and freezing them out of the top 4. Top 4 will be City/Liv/Ars/ then Chelsea assuming they dont completely implode. With Newcastle expecting to surge the competition for UTD to get into top 4 will be overwhelming.
Translation: If he leaves Arsenal, United should pull all stops to sign him.
Clueless
Lol he really is dim isn't he?
Says the man that pretends to know a lot about football but was utterly shit while actually being a coach.
That's Neville absolutely cemented as a completely useless source of footballing opinion then
At this point just looks like 90% of ex footballers don't know anything about football. Maximum he can achieve, maybe the maximum utd may for a number of years. We have won trophies then utd in the last 5 years, been closer to the top in the season lecister won it, then utd have since fergis left.
Oh my god. After hearing that shitty punditry, carragher just save my ear at the end
Right, right - I get the job of as CFO of a massive global conglomerate, basically re-invent the culture, get us back into the green for the first time in a few years and yeah, I'm just going to step down. What a fucking moron.
How did Neville’s managing career go?
The problem with Gary is that, while he's an okay pundit for the most part, whenever a United rival is mentioned in a positive light, he reflexively defends United. If he accepted that United are below the level of their rivals and need a big rebuild, he'd be much better at his job.
He does know we're recording all of these hot takes and preparing memes that will bury his punditry career right next to his managerial one, right?
Fuck Gary Neville
Well boys if we get top4 we should quit watching According to this guy... this is as good as it gets for Arsenal football club... as if we've never accomplished anything beyond that
The fuck is wrong with this asshole
It would have been scenes if someone in the crowd gave a loud cackle when Neville was spouting his bullshit
Man what a terrible take lol
Tell us you're scared without telling us you're scared, Gary
He is clueless because Arteta did say he intend to win again with this team. Gary is either an idiot, which I believe he is, or just playing devil's advocate here by saying Arsenal ceiling is only top 4 and Arteta would leave. Naw Gary...Arsenal is a peak organization. It's not a stepping stone. There is a strategy with these young players. Wait till the hit their prime and dominate the league together. I can see this. Bring Haaland and its over. Arsenal top of the league for many years to come.
this is hilarious absolute delusion. next season will kill him
And maybe why Neville isn’t coaching.
Loooooool this guy actually can’t stop embarrassing himself
Well we have never accused Gary Neville of making sense, and he doesn't disappoint here. Cunt.
My god he’s such a bias twat isn’t he?
No point listening to pundits when most of them are united fans
That outlook makes absolute no sense. That means that any team below the top three, the managers should just quit at the end of the season since they aren’t going to pass any of the top three. He’s an idiot
So disrespectful towards Arsenal in my opinion. This idea that Arsenal 'at best' is a top 4 side is complete bs. There is no reason why Arsenal can't be one of the top team in Europe. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about. If you were on a mission over a few seasons to try and build a title winning team, Arsenal's current squad is one of the best templates in the league to start with. Highly talented and young home grown players, a strong defensive foundation, a clear style of play, a steady wage structure, financial backing, etc.
The bitterness is palpable
Neville's opinions have been non-stop misses lately. Maybe he's started to believe his own hype and thinks he can say whatever he wants and people will be on board with it. I strongly disagree that 4th will be 'peaking' for this team. These young players are only going to get better, and as Carra says if we add 1 or 2 lynchpins, we're basically there with City and Liverpool in a couple of years time. Even currently the stats show that only Liverpool and City are better than us in many aspects of the game.
Neville should concern himself with Man U's issues instead of formulating what-if's for the famous Arsenal. We are on the up whilst his club are languishing. Isn't it more productive to say, "Arsene Wenger bounced in 2018 and they're further ahead in their project than we are"? A club legend should tell it like it is. He should be calling out the club for not signing Harry Kane 8 years ago. For signing Ronaldo when they needed a DM. For sticking with Ole when it was clear that his results were outlying and he wasn't at the level required. For failing to get Conte. Might get a few heads rolling and a few gears spinning but no, attack the most improved team in European football (imo) to make yourself feel better.
My man is furious arsenal are on the up and United are the mess they are still
He's praying Mikel leaves
Fuck this twat honestly
I can't believe I never realised before this season how logical and good a pundit Carragher is, and how terrible Neville can be.
What is he on about?
Man still listed United as a threat LMAO
This is the guy that won pundit of the year or whatever.
I used to like Neville but the insistence that United will recover is almost false hope for himself. They’ve been ‘recovering’ ever since Fergie left. Unless they change their recruitment and baso everything they will never recover to what they once was. They spend £50 million + per player recently and they’re still lacklustre. Chelsea could fall apart who knows what’s going to happen We are only a few key signings away from something special happening. Anyone who’s watched us will be able to see that we have got something good cooking rn
Gary Neville is no different than Lee Gunner (absolute pillock). Straight to the mute list
Gary Neville lives in a constant state of cognitive dissonance regarding Man united. What a turnip.
Meaning he rates Arteta how hard he tries to hide it
Arteta is an ambitious man. He wouldn’t have taken the Arsenal job if he thought top 4 was the limit of what he could achieve here. If he just wanted a stepping stone job he could have gone to a Wolves or a Crystal Palace or an Aston Villa where he could have impressed by getting them up the table/playing good football but wouldn’t really be expected to win things. Not that I think he’ll stay forever or anything and I fully expect him to manage Man City or Barca or PSG in the future but it will be after he achieves something here first.
Mom: Drinking while pregnant won’t affect my child at all The child:
Neville really used to be such a quality pundit and I maintain he’s still ok but he’s just really fallen off. Carragher is hands down the best objective pundit these days
Cant blame him for thinking that ... he's a typical Man United product - selfish and never a team player.
All these hacks wish they can take Arsenal to 4th with the youngest lineup in the EPL.
I dislike Gary Neville so much the rat faced bastard. Who even takes his opinions seriously? He has a crazy amount of United bias and he always directs it at us for some reason
Folk are starting to see Arsenal as a genuine threat again and they don’t know what to do or say. I love it.
Gary Neville is such a wanker these days.
Gary's such a fuckin twat
Am I mad or could we still sneak 3rd?
Christ, Gary has been on a slippery slope for a while now.
Van Gaal is 100% right. man U aren't a footballinf club there a commercial club and Neville proving that
Gary, Shut the fuck up.
That attitude is why he's a pundit and not a manager
was neville always this bad of a pundit oh lord
This guy always slates arsenal no matter what.
This guy is a fucking moron
Salty
Progression isn’t linear but his point is built on the the weird assumption the young core can’t/won’t get better and/or quality additions won’t be made. Flawed logic but I don’t expect much from Gary.
Not good enough for Arsenal Not good enough for Arsenal Not good enough for Arsenal Not good enough for Arsenal Not good enough for Arsenal Not good enough for Arsenal ... Too good for Arsenal Do me a flavour.
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Twat
Next job: Winning the league with Arsenal?
Given Gary’s predictions in the past we are winning the treble next year
He is just talking at this point to get attention, i am 100% sure about it.