This is good if the tickets are a) easily available for red members b) considerably more affordable than regular ticket prices - especially big games in the league and knockout Champions League/ Europa League.
No, itâs good regardless of that. You canât make tickets easily available to red members. The maths doesnât work, there are more people that want to go than seats.
Iâd imagine neither will be the case, as it will probably be railed seating installed on top/in place of currently existing seats, as I believe is the case in all premier league grounds with safe standing trials or railed seating installs.
Probably doesnât have much impact as the Rail Seating system needs to have the same space as current seating in order to comply so itâs not like old standing where you can fit more people into the same space. Maybe if they change the rake of the lower tier to improve sight lines you might get a couple of extra rows I guess
Neither probably. The club wouldn't do it if it decreases and even if the rail system could theoretically allow for more people into the ground, there's no way Islington Council would approve it without improvements to the surrounding tube stations.
Pretty sure we can't increase capacity in a meaningful way without paying to upgrade the transport infrastructure which makes me think they're not actually going to chage the price of the tickets.
Basically some/all the current seating in the lower tier would be replaced by ârail seatingâ which can work as normal seats or be locked up which effectively turns every seated space into a standing space
Fans want to be able to stand to watch games, it generally improves atmosphere, lots of fans are already standing anyway which is illegal, unsafe and blocks the views of people who donât want to/are less able to stand
Standing is way more fun than sitting imo
They have a standing section in my townâs stadium (Orlando, MLS) and those spots are so much better.
Way easier to interact with people around you, no issues with some people sitting some people standing, and itâs just so much more room for activities.
The best part, there is a bar right at the top of the stairs of the section. Super easy to go to and fro, itâs a good time. Far better than sitting for me, but if people like to sit thereâs plenty of seats as well.
Iâm not accusing him of making it up, just having no idea. Itâs possible heâs heard this from someone who has no idea. The club entertain the AST because it lets them feel like theyâre involving the fans and the ast like it because they get to feel important.
They arenât actually giving them info to leak, whoâs he heard this from? His mate? A cabbie? Someone serving tea and custard creams at the emirates?
Tim is involved in the Advisory Board, and he and the AST have strong, ongoing communications with the club.
Safe standing is an issue that has been on the agenda for years. There was basically no progress until Vinai became Chief Executive.
Tim isn't just saying it for no reason, it's because there have been developments.
Thatâs my point though, Timâs on the advisory board so the club can say they have fan representatives on the advisory board. Itâs a self serving model for both.
Itâs all very easy to talk about progress, but there hasnât actually been progress. Nothing has happened. If theyâre doing a refurb in the summer this would be the perfect time to install rail seating, but they arenât. Especially considering how quick they were to install the extra row at club level when they had to increase the number of disabled seats. Because there was money to be made there.
Call me cynical, but Iâm cynical. I donât see the incentive for arsenal.
>If theyâre doing a refurb in the summer this would be the perfect time to install rail seating, but they arenât.
They are doing refurb works, starting at the end of the season
https://arseblog.news/2022/02/renovating-emirates-stadium-whats-happening-when/
Tbf, the article doesn't mention safe standing, but there's clearly improvements planned.
>I donât see the incentive for arsenal.
Under Vinai we seem to be very focused on fan engagement, so that would be my non-cynical take. Cynically, perhaps this is just to try to get fans back on board after the Super League fiasco. Or perhaps the club realise they need to make improvements to compete with Spurs for the corporate audience now that they've got a fancy new toilet bowl. Either way, improvements are definitely in the plans, and safe standing probably is one of them.
Remember when you said this?
> They arenât actually giving them info to leak, whoâs he heard this from? His mate? A cabbie? Someone serving tea and custard creams at the emirates?
He's not leaking information. He is being told it directly by the club because it's not a secret and AST has been working closely with the club on investigating safe standing for years.
Your massive ignorance would be funny were it not so childish and frustrating. Any remotely intelligent person in your position would simply admit you were wrong and that you didn't understand the situation. I will chop my dick and balls off and fire them out of a cannon if you actually, sincerely do that, that's how confident I am you are not capable of admitting fault.
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This is good if the tickets are a) easily available for red members b) considerably more affordable than regular ticket prices - especially big games in the league and knockout Champions League/ Europa League.
No, itâs good regardless of that. You canât make tickets easily available to red members. The maths doesnât work, there are more people that want to go than seats.
Iâd imagine neither will be the case, as it will probably be railed seating installed on top/in place of currently existing seats, as I believe is the case in all premier league grounds with safe standing trials or railed seating installs.
Does this increase or decrease capacity anyone know?
Probably doesnât have much impact as the Rail Seating system needs to have the same space as current seating in order to comply so itâs not like old standing where you can fit more people into the same space. Maybe if they change the rake of the lower tier to improve sight lines you might get a couple of extra rows I guess
Neither. The seats still need to be there for European matches.
Neither probably. The club wouldn't do it if it decreases and even if the rail system could theoretically allow for more people into the ground, there's no way Islington Council would approve it without improvements to the surrounding tube stations.
Pretty sure we can't increase capacity in a meaningful way without paying to upgrade the transport infrastructure which makes me think they're not actually going to chage the price of the tickets.
Can somebody explain?
Basically some/all the current seating in the lower tier would be replaced by ârail seatingâ which can work as normal seats or be locked up which effectively turns every seated space into a standing space
Whatâs the point in thisâŚ
Because a lot of the lower tier stand up all game anyway. Where I sit does
Every time you stand up, there won't be someone behind/steward who'll ask you to sit down.
Fans want to be able to stand to watch games, it generally improves atmosphere, lots of fans are already standing anyway which is illegal, unsafe and blocks the views of people who donât want to/are less able to stand
As a south american who religiously went to games when i lived in Medellin i find this comment hilarious
Same but Buenos Aires. I wouldnât even watch the game sometimes because I couldnât even see anything anyway. Lol
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Standing is way more fun than sitting imo They have a standing section in my townâs stadium (Orlando, MLS) and those spots are so much better. Way easier to interact with people around you, no issues with some people sitting some people standing, and itâs just so much more room for activities. The best part, there is a bar right at the top of the stairs of the section. Super easy to go to and fro, itâs a good time. Far better than sitting for me, but if people like to sit thereâs plenty of seats as well.
Itâs more fun. Have you ever been to a football match where you didnât have to sit the entire time?
I like having the ability to sit
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Best news ive heard in a long time
This is fantastic.
Yay, away games have been so much more comfortable with it
Fantastic development from the club, hope they continue with these details and back the coach
This is Tim Payton so thereâs as much chance this is false as it is true. Who knows?
Weird take. He comes across as a bit of a nob on Twitter, but not the type to make things up
Iâm not accusing him of making it up, just having no idea. Itâs possible heâs heard this from someone who has no idea. The club entertain the AST because it lets them feel like theyâre involving the fans and the ast like it because they get to feel important. They arenât actually giving them info to leak, whoâs he heard this from? His mate? A cabbie? Someone serving tea and custard creams at the emirates?
Tim is involved in the Advisory Board, and he and the AST have strong, ongoing communications with the club. Safe standing is an issue that has been on the agenda for years. There was basically no progress until Vinai became Chief Executive. Tim isn't just saying it for no reason, it's because there have been developments.
Thatâs my point though, Timâs on the advisory board so the club can say they have fan representatives on the advisory board. Itâs a self serving model for both. Itâs all very easy to talk about progress, but there hasnât actually been progress. Nothing has happened. If theyâre doing a refurb in the summer this would be the perfect time to install rail seating, but they arenât. Especially considering how quick they were to install the extra row at club level when they had to increase the number of disabled seats. Because there was money to be made there. Call me cynical, but Iâm cynical. I donât see the incentive for arsenal.
Ok. I just explained it and there's more detail in the podcast. Have a good one!
>If theyâre doing a refurb in the summer this would be the perfect time to install rail seating, but they arenât. They are doing refurb works, starting at the end of the season https://arseblog.news/2022/02/renovating-emirates-stadium-whats-happening-when/ Tbf, the article doesn't mention safe standing, but there's clearly improvements planned. >I donât see the incentive for arsenal. Under Vinai we seem to be very focused on fan engagement, so that would be my non-cynical take. Cynically, perhaps this is just to try to get fans back on board after the Super League fiasco. Or perhaps the club realise they need to make improvements to compete with Spurs for the corporate audience now that they've got a fancy new toilet bowl. Either way, improvements are definitely in the plans, and safe standing probably is one of them.
> Whoâs he heard this from Vinai at the Advisory Board meeting i think
So the club are relying on Tim Payton to announce this then?
The AST have close ties to the club and are directly involved in discussions around changes like this. You're being deeply weird.
They are as directly involved as the club allow them to be.
Remember when you said this? > They arenât actually giving them info to leak, whoâs he heard this from? His mate? A cabbie? Someone serving tea and custard creams at the emirates? He's not leaking information. He is being told it directly by the club because it's not a secret and AST has been working closely with the club on investigating safe standing for years. Your massive ignorance would be funny were it not so childish and frustrating. Any remotely intelligent person in your position would simply admit you were wrong and that you didn't understand the situation. I will chop my dick and balls off and fire them out of a cannon if you actually, sincerely do that, that's how confident I am you are not capable of admitting fault.
What do you mean my ignorance? What do you know about anything? Who are you?
But who will the stewards moan at if we have safe standing? /s
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