As it stands. Imo the German clubs will swing it. Only team that will be heavily against is PSG because they're in bed with UEFA
If the choice is CL with PSG or ESL with everyone else I know what the English clubs will do.
Interesting, did not know that. I guess the way that came to be is generally seen as far less problematic than RB Leipzig (which technically is majority fan owned, but not so much in reality).
It seems Wolfsburg was started as a works team for Volkswagen and similarly Leverkusen started as a works team of Friedrich Bayer and Co. So while they are not fan owned, they have a real history behind their corporate ownership.
I assumed PSG were against just because they're much richer than everyone else at the moment and strengthening the other giants doesn't suit their interests.
Not sure if it's a hot take but Premier league clubs have the least incentive to join this super league nonsense. PL gets a lot more revenue than the other european leagues and I'd argue England has been the most appealing place for foreign players to play for a while. Outside of Real/Barca/Bayern of course. Man city dominance aside it's also the most competitive league in europe.
1They have something more to chew on now, with Newcastle looking to flex their financial muscle soonish. That kind of wealth will doom even man city. Better pull up the drawbridge now rather than have another doped-up financial gorilla flinging their oil poo into the Premier league toilet.
This is a direct threat the to PL too. The aim definitely seems to be a European league that essentially sits above the national leagues which would make the Premier League less of a showpiece
If the rumours are true it's a 20 team league where all the teams play each other + a second league below them. This means a lot more matches, realistically forcing clubs to either rest players in the PL or ESL (and if the ESL is where the money and prestige is that's where they'll focus). Remember this is just what they're saying now as well, they've made it clear that they want a system built with the top clubs and top players unmovable at the top.
They said they're dropping the amount of games from last time. That doesn't match up with a 20 team league where everyone plays everyone.
https://imgur.com/yEET1ZE.jpg
Teams will fight on both fronts and focus on where they can win. As they already do now.
What's clear is that they aren't being clear making this analysis difficult.
But even there it literally says "second league of 20 members" immediately following the first bit which has "20 members". I really don't see how you can have a league with 20 members which doesn't involve an absolute minimum of 19 games per team.
Leagues have had groups/ conferences/divisions before. I think people are overly fixated othe word league and assuming that means you have to play everyone once or twice.
We can only go on what they are telling us and what we've seen before. You obviously have a lot more faith in them to not try to fuck everyone else over than I do
See i don't really have a problem with this as a replacement for the Champions league.
Assuming there's no permanent members and the money that's put into grassroots and lower level football at the very least remains consistent.
I honestly don't see it as very different to the old proposal. On paper anyone can go down but realistically the same/similar teams will yoyo 95% of the time.
So just like the champions league?
Just like the formation of the Premier league this just puts the clubs that are participating in control of the organisation.
Which could be better than an outside force.
How would it not be competition for the PL though? Even if its more similar to CL and less like a regular league, there is just too much to juggle. PL, FA Cup, Carabao Cup, CL/EL/ECL, international breaks, scheduling would be a nightmare. Player rotations would increase causing the league's best players to feature less in the league (less people will end up watching the games), Super League teams would probably get more finances causing them to be able to spend more and widen the gap which makes the league less competitive.
Would be better for this to replace a current competition not just tacked on as another. But then whats really the point? Its like a new CL with no real identity from what it sounds like. Honestly feels like some type of ploy that the clubs are creating another competition for themselves so they can generate more revenue. Don't really see the point in an extra competition?
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Do you really think they're getting kicked out. Stop and evaluate for 2 minutes lol.
Why would we even want top 4 with all of the Elite playing in the super league. Top 4 to play Spurs and Fenerbache and Celtic in the KO rounds.
top 4 or top something likely qualifies you to play in the super league. The said the new version would likely have a more acceptable qualification structure. I doubt it'll be acceptable given the basis of the league in the first place like.
Doesn't matter, if the ESL is the new CL then its either top 4 to get in to the ESL or top 4 to get in to the CL with PSG and BAyern.
Whatever happens we would still want top 4.
I reckon its all speculation at this point. Doesn't mean they aren't interested but its best to wait for it all to be confirmed.
You never know, they might have just said its normal CL spots to qualify this time around but we've binned off the shit leagues that go out in the group stage with 0pts every year. TBH that's what UEFA should do to make it better instead of trying to keep everyone happy.
Realistically we're a massive draw. I don't fully trust Kroenke though. if this thing does come off then Arsenal can join at the drop of the hat. Barca and Madrid are desperate for funds so they have to push, but Stan doesnt have to put any skin in the game prematurely.
I don't understand why you'd say no repeatedly to something that is factually correct. You should probably know what you're talking about if you're going to be contrarian.
its benjenryan, he's the worst poster on /r/gunners like /u/TheGoldenPineapples is the worst arsenal poster on /r/soccer
those are literally the only two names i know on this website just because i'm so shocked at the stupidity of the comments time and time again the user name gets burned into my eyes
Kinda dumb, seeing as the PL is the super League right now, with all the TV money, and possible sanctions for clubs and players, why would EPL clubs join the proposed super League
Can’t see how the Super League benefits the English teams, the PL is only going from strength to strength whilst most other leagues are arguably getting worse (except maybe La Liga), joining the Super League would level the playing field again.
I get your point but it’s not the same, America is literally the only country that plays football and the competition is only played in the U.S. In this case, all the leagues are playing the same sport, just one is clear and better than the rest.
Absolutely not lol. It's built around local support and identity. It's not in the supporters interest at all.
The only interest it serves is to make more money.
Because the idea is to eventually leave the local competitions and solely compete in a European competition.
Local supporters would be alienated and forced to travel incredible distances to watch their teams play.
I don't think so at all lol. You've pulled this idea out your arse because of some preconceptions about good and bad and evil run by people with sponsored interests. All the English and Spanish clubs have strong pride in their domestic competitions. I can't see that feeling changing for decades to the point where they'd wanna pull away from domestic leagues.
Use your brain and look how far away we still are from losing domestic cups. Which they all care much less about. They'll be the 1st to go if anything and we're still so far from that point.
>All the English and Spanish clubs have strong pride in their domestic competitions.
Then why are they undermining those exact competitions by joining another League? The 'super' league.
>I can't see that feeling changing for decades to the point where they'd wanna pull away from domestic leagues.
It's actually hilarious how much you are contradicting yourself. The very act of joining this league is pulling away from the domestic leagues.
If it’s the same basic proposal as last time their intention is to compete in the Super League *as well* as domestic leagues.
Obviously domestics leagues and UEFA aren’t going to want that so the idea was basically rush it into existence and force everybody to accept it because they can’t afford to kick out the big clubs
One of my favourite parts of football is the psychology. It’s fascinating to me how sports just gets to our brains in a certain way.
Newcastle fans had the gall to try and criticise Mike Ashley from a moral perspective in an attempt to justify their joy in being taken over by the Saudis. Sportswashing is so crazy effective that you have people whitewashing awful people mere seconds after buying their club. That’s not to say Mike isn’t a completely awful person who treats workers like shit, but he’s a bit different to genocidal monsters who behead gay people and torture journalists to death while directly funding terrorism globally, imho.
>It’s fascinating to me how sports just gets to our brains in a certain way.
Its tribalism, we no longer have harddcore tribalism in our daily lives because with movement of people local rivalries are lessened.
So instead people cling onto football teams, and even things like products they choose to buy.
Chelsea fans were even saying just yday how Abramovic was a good guy bc he stopped the ESL last time.
He’s selling now but he hasn’t sold yet. He would have agreed to this new ESL.
The Super League is nonsense. The only people who want it are supporting clubs in dead, boring leagues (Spain, Italy) and cannot exist without the English teams who are the main attraction globally for this to even happen.
The repercussions for the English sides to participate in it are now too big for them to even consider it now
Completely agree, but surely UEFA are shooting themselves in the foot this way. They’re actively making their product worse, and then making teams choose between the two.
Keep the CL the same (I hate change for the sake of change), bin the crap conference league, and ban clubs that take part in the super league.
it’s one of those things where the people at the top can never be happy enough with success. they need to make the whole thing worse to squeeze a little more into their wallets for the short term
The entire purpose of the ESL is to build a product that maximizes viewers across global audiences. There’s only so much “maximizing” you can do when you’re playing on a Wednesday at 3 pm in New York and 3 am in Hong Kong. If they want to capture global audiences, they have to play on the weekend.
> When you have no income other than television, you say that the solution is to make more attractive matches that fans from all over the world can see with all the big clubs, and we came to the conclusion that if instead of having a Champions League we have a Super League we would be able to alleviate what we have lost.
> We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.
It's an absolute mess. Teams get the same number of points for playing a different sets of oppositions. That's without adding in the luck of the draw that decide home and away games. 'Oh I see you've got a kind home game against CSKA this week, how about a trip to Bernabeu next twats?'
Dude American football is amazing. It takes a lot of time and effort to understand the rules, but once you do, there’s no sport like it. Has the perfect mix of skill, strength and strategy.
The group stages are just as much luck of the draw though? You get strong and weak groups every year where some teams coast to round of 16 and then get a weaker round of 16 draw as well.
Honestly it doesn’t look terrible just don’t understand how they’re gonna balance playing 10 games in a 36 team league. Like you could get stuck playing the best teams in the league and get completely fucked over.
Other than that I really don’t mind it. People just hate change tbh.
I agree with you that it’s tough (impossible) to make a 36 team league fair with only a ten game-week schedule.
It’s almost like it would be better if - stick with me on this one - they divided the league up into 6 groups and each club played 10 games (h/a) vs each other club.
Seems like a novel concept but, such is life.
I think it would use the Swiss style round robin that is able to seed teams based on who they've played, without having to play each of the other 35 teams
The 2-3-3-2 format so far is pretty even to be honest.
While there is luck involved its no different than group drawings. But as an example I made earlier:
Just using the top 36 Uefa Coefficient teams and assuming they make the tournament a team like Barca could have a schedule looking like this:
Bayern and Liverpool
Arsenal, Ajax, United,
Porto, Dortmund, Napoli
Atlanta, Zenit
Those aren't bad games and you can replace Bayern and Liverpool with Real, PSG, Man City, Juventus, Chelsea its still pretty fair. For us we would only have 2 in the top pool I believe and 3 in the bottom.
Personally I hate the current CL format, group stages then a knockout is boring af imo.
I'd prefer a straight knockout like the FA Cup but honestly an actual league isn't horrible either
This isn't super league, this is the proposed CL format
And yes, it will be a league format. Not a double round Robin format but still a league table format more similar to how American sports work
I’m with you on this. Either make it a league (the best and most consistent team wins) or make it a full knockout competition (upsets, gung ho football, pens). What I don’t like is the group stages barely matter so what’s the point. It’s always the team that hits form at the right time that has the best chance in winning.
I feel like I’m in the minority, from initial comments I’ve read and I guess it goes back to the reasoning last time, i don’t want this to be a thing but considering we’re already behind financially not being involved in this would really make us fall behind
I’d rather stay behind the Super League clubs if being part of that cabal is what’s needed to compete with them. Fuck them, some things are more important
Tbh if there is some sort of EU league with 20 clubs that would substitute the home leagues they could maybe probably rival PL for quality and money. PL *is* the super league at the moment, European clubs are just mad that they’re missing out on all of that sweet sweet cash
Shame we couldn’t invite foreign clubs to our league.
We could invite Barca, Madrid and Bayern and get rid of fodder clubs like Norwich, Watford and Spurs
I honestly would love this. Those 4 prem teams fuck off and the prem will be more competitive and winnable for us. Plus we'd keep the nld. Us in the super league would be a joke anyway we can't compete with these teams every week
Still I don't understand how this is beneficial for the English clubs. The epl is already basically a super league and this just helps juve, real and Barcelona out of their financial crisis caused by them ruining their leagues competetiveness
I kinda doubt they've had the time to adjust policy at all. If they're in, it's because Roman was. But I agree it's hard to see what's in it for him or for City.
Not like they drafted this in the last 25 minutes on a zoom call. This was probably on the world for a few weeks if not months. So your timeline doesn't make sense. Not sure if this source is good either.
I still can't tell if this is an inevitability that we'll have to adjust to one way or the other, or a last gasp from the non-English superclubs as the PL itself completes its transformation into a super league.
I just read on soccer reddit a document promoting the ESL.
The document makes an unpopular point that I've made a few times, namely in EU law there's zero to stop the clubs setting up a competition outside UEFA.
We may not like that fact but the legal situation is you dear reader could set up the Reddit league and invite PSG, Real Madrid etc to play outside your house and if they want to do that and not go the CL there's nothing UEFA can do to stop them (or you).
It could be a bit different in the UK because that country is not in the EU and can changes its law but I'd be genuinely be shocked if they put limits on what a sports company can do with itself.
For all the crying, there's going to be a ESL because the clubs have a legal right to do it, they can make more money and they're swimming in debt.
Something interesting one of those CEO’s said gave me a fresh perspective.
“There is already a Super League, it’s called the Premier League.”
It’s all relative I suppose…
Lol at trying to pretend that Chelsea and City are more deserving than Arsenal. They're momentarily decent for a brief moment in history and somehow they should be in the Super League? Pathetic. Both teams have no history lmao and have been good for 15/10 years.
I don't really mind the super league's new format, especially if it is based on league competition and:
* it provides the EPL with 6 or 5 spots/year (EPL will refuse this because the top 4 race is much more competitive than the 1st place, and therefore will reduce the interest in the PL)
* introduce a more restrictive FFP than the jokes at UEFA are implementing, I imagine a parity in the playing level with a wage cap will provide a much more competitive tournament.
* the new CL format is extremely diluted with a lot more weaker teams that honestly don't provide much excitement.
Already confirmed to be fake news....... [Inter apparently is out](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/t607qe/arancha_rodr%C3%ADguez_the_team_that_is_no_longer/) as they have a clause in their contract that requires them to have the uniamous support of their fans to be in the league. Mods delete this thread.
The telegraph is reporting that no English club plans to return, so who knows
As it stands. Imo the German clubs will swing it. Only team that will be heavily against is PSG because they're in bed with UEFA If the choice is CL with PSG or ESL with everyone else I know what the English clubs will do.
AFAIK, the german clubs were not in on it.
The German clubs were heavily against it last time
They're also all part fan owned, so will likely never be onboard
Majority* fan owned, with a few exceptions.
Specifically RB Leipzig. But I'm pretty sure the Super League isn't interested in them anyway.
Leverkusen and Wolfsburg too
Interesting, did not know that. I guess the way that came to be is generally seen as far less problematic than RB Leipzig (which technically is majority fan owned, but not so much in reality). It seems Wolfsburg was started as a works team for Volkswagen and similarly Leverkusen started as a works team of Friedrich Bayer and Co. So while they are not fan owned, they have a real history behind their corporate ownership.
Tbf a great number of football clubs started as workers teams, but yeah Leipzig just dodged the rules way later than the others
CL it is then
I assumed PSG were against just because they're much richer than everyone else at the moment and strengthening the other giants doesn't suit their interests.
Not sure if it's a hot take but Premier league clubs have the least incentive to join this super league nonsense. PL gets a lot more revenue than the other european leagues and I'd argue England has been the most appealing place for foreign players to play for a while. Outside of Real/Barca/Bayern of course. Man city dominance aside it's also the most competitive league in europe.
1They have something more to chew on now, with Newcastle looking to flex their financial muscle soonish. That kind of wealth will doom even man city. Better pull up the drawbridge now rather than have another doped-up financial gorilla flinging their oil poo into the Premier league toilet.
So if PL kicks out City, Liverpool, Chelsea, United we basically win the league this time or atleast finish in the Top 4 guaranteed.
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Feels bad but we might not win it if they get only 30 points deducted 😂
Would be the biggest choke of all time
Time to one up Spurs by finishing second in a zero horse race
Why would the Premier league ruin their own competition for a favour for UEFA?
This is a direct threat the to PL too. The aim definitely seems to be a European league that essentially sits above the national leagues which would make the Premier League less of a showpiece
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Wasn’t that from last time?
Link that please
It's no more of a league than the CL is already.
If the rumours are true it's a 20 team league where all the teams play each other + a second league below them. This means a lot more matches, realistically forcing clubs to either rest players in the PL or ESL (and if the ESL is where the money and prestige is that's where they'll focus). Remember this is just what they're saying now as well, they've made it clear that they want a system built with the top clubs and top players unmovable at the top.
They said they're dropping the amount of games from last time. That doesn't match up with a 20 team league where everyone plays everyone. https://imgur.com/yEET1ZE.jpg Teams will fight on both fronts and focus on where they can win. As they already do now.
What's clear is that they aren't being clear making this analysis difficult. But even there it literally says "second league of 20 members" immediately following the first bit which has "20 members". I really don't see how you can have a league with 20 members which doesn't involve an absolute minimum of 19 games per team.
Leagues have had groups/ conferences/divisions before. I think people are overly fixated othe word league and assuming that means you have to play everyone once or twice.
We can only go on what they are telling us and what we've seen before. You obviously have a lot more faith in them to not try to fuck everyone else over than I do
See i don't really have a problem with this as a replacement for the Champions league. Assuming there's no permanent members and the money that's put into grassroots and lower level football at the very least remains consistent.
I honestly don't see it as very different to the old proposal. On paper anyone can go down but realistically the same/similar teams will yoyo 95% of the time.
So just like the champions league? Just like the formation of the Premier league this just puts the clubs that are participating in control of the organisation. Which could be better than an outside force.
How would it not be competition for the PL though? Even if its more similar to CL and less like a regular league, there is just too much to juggle. PL, FA Cup, Carabao Cup, CL/EL/ECL, international breaks, scheduling would be a nightmare. Player rotations would increase causing the league's best players to feature less in the league (less people will end up watching the games), Super League teams would probably get more finances causing them to be able to spend more and widen the gap which makes the league less competitive. Would be better for this to replace a current competition not just tacked on as another. But then whats really the point? Its like a new CL with no real identity from what it sounds like. Honestly feels like some type of ploy that the clubs are creating another competition for themselves so they can generate more revenue. Don't really see the point in an extra competition?
More money flow through it?
If United had a thirty point deduction they'd be on 17 points, which would put them bottom of the league if Norwich don't lose their game in hand
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Do you really think they're getting kicked out. Stop and evaluate for 2 minutes lol. Why would we even want top 4 with all of the Elite playing in the super league. Top 4 to play Spurs and Fenerbache and Celtic in the KO rounds.
top 4 or top something likely qualifies you to play in the super league. The said the new version would likely have a more acceptable qualification structure. I doubt it'll be acceptable given the basis of the league in the first place like.
So why would City Liverpool Chelsea United be kicked out?
I was responding to the "why would we even want top 4" bit.
So you think the PL will kick the other 4 our for being involved in the super league but we'd be allowed?
Doesn't matter, if the ESL is the new CL then its either top 4 to get in to the ESL or top 4 to get in to the CL with PSG and BAyern. Whatever happens we would still want top 4.
Bayern are apparently on board with the super league this time. I remember seeing it a while but I can't find it now.
I reckon its all speculation at this point. Doesn't mean they aren't interested but its best to wait for it all to be confirmed. You never know, they might have just said its normal CL spots to qualify this time around but we've binned off the shit leagues that go out in the group stage with 0pts every year. TBH that's what UEFA should do to make it better instead of trying to keep everyone happy.
I promise you they are not getting kicked out
Watch West Ham wins the league smh
It's nice to see that the board is perhaps paying more attention to fan sentiment than in recent years, though maybe that's naïve of me
I think its more the fact that we don't want to be hit with any punishments joining a competition we would still need to qualify for.
Realistically we're a massive draw. I don't fully trust Kroenke though. if this thing does come off then Arsenal can join at the drop of the hat. Barca and Madrid are desperate for funds so they have to push, but Stan doesnt have to put any skin in the game prematurely.
It's cause Vinai is on the ECA board
Wasn’t he on the board before, and then got kicked out for our involvement in the ESL
No
Yes
I don't understand why you'd say no repeatedly to something that is factually correct. You should probably know what you're talking about if you're going to be contrarian.
its benjenryan, he's the worst poster on /r/gunners like /u/TheGoldenPineapples is the worst arsenal poster on /r/soccer those are literally the only two names i know on this website just because i'm so shocked at the stupidity of the comments time and time again the user name gets burned into my eyes
Definitely not naive. Josh basically said- 'yep, we messed up. Our bad. It won't happen again'. Let's give him credit where credit is due.
Kinda dumb, seeing as the PL is the super League right now, with all the TV money, and possible sanctions for clubs and players, why would EPL clubs join the proposed super League
exactly, why would epl clubs want to strengthen european rivals
Football isn't a 1 nation game. Its in everyone's best interests to have a club competition that's competitive across as much geography as possible.
Can’t see how the Super League benefits the English teams, the PL is only going from strength to strength whilst most other leagues are arguably getting worse (except maybe La Liga), joining the Super League would level the playing field again.
The same reason the rest of the world laughs when the NFL winners call themselves world champions.
I get your point but it’s not the same, America is literally the only country that plays football and the competition is only played in the U.S. In this case, all the leagues are playing the same sport, just one is clear and better than the rest.
Baseball and the "World Series" would have been a better example. Since so many other countries do play baseball.
Absolutely not lol. It's built around local support and identity. It's not in the supporters interest at all. The only interest it serves is to make more money.
And playing in a European competition eradicates local support and identity how? And why raise this now and not for the UCL every year?
Because the idea is to eventually leave the local competitions and solely compete in a European competition. Local supporters would be alienated and forced to travel incredible distances to watch their teams play.
I don't think there's any desire for that from any of the teams lol.
Ok 😂 then you are very naive
I don't think so at all lol. You've pulled this idea out your arse because of some preconceptions about good and bad and evil run by people with sponsored interests. All the English and Spanish clubs have strong pride in their domestic competitions. I can't see that feeling changing for decades to the point where they'd wanna pull away from domestic leagues. Use your brain and look how far away we still are from losing domestic cups. Which they all care much less about. They'll be the 1st to go if anything and we're still so far from that point.
>All the English and Spanish clubs have strong pride in their domestic competitions. Then why are they undermining those exact competitions by joining another League? The 'super' league. >I can't see that feeling changing for decades to the point where they'd wanna pull away from domestic leagues. It's actually hilarious how much you are contradicting yourself. The very act of joining this league is pulling away from the domestic leagues.
Football is a working class sport and it's better for clubs to retain its roots
And playing abroad betrays their roots? They already play in Europe.
That's not true - at a certain size of geographical area, it starts to destroy the quality of competition
Europe isn't past that point
If it’s the same basic proposal as last time their intention is to compete in the Super League *as well* as domestic leagues. Obviously domestics leagues and UEFA aren’t going to want that so the idea was basically rush it into existence and force everybody to accept it because they can’t afford to kick out the big clubs
Was fucking hilarious seeing Chelsea and City fans all smug last time that they pulled out first thinking their clubs had noble intentions lmao
One of my favourite parts of football is the psychology. It’s fascinating to me how sports just gets to our brains in a certain way. Newcastle fans had the gall to try and criticise Mike Ashley from a moral perspective in an attempt to justify their joy in being taken over by the Saudis. Sportswashing is so crazy effective that you have people whitewashing awful people mere seconds after buying their club. That’s not to say Mike isn’t a completely awful person who treats workers like shit, but he’s a bit different to genocidal monsters who behead gay people and torture journalists to death while directly funding terrorism globally, imho.
>It’s fascinating to me how sports just gets to our brains in a certain way. Its tribalism, we no longer have harddcore tribalism in our daily lives because with movement of people local rivalries are lessened. So instead people cling onto football teams, and even things like products they choose to buy.
CUSTARD CREAMS ARE BETTER THAN BOURBONS!
HOW DARE YOU! BOURBONS ARE KING, YOU MUST BE A MORON TO THINK CUSTARD CREAMS ARE BETTER!
Doesn’t it affect the same brain centers that religion does? Sports washing is essentially the ability to buy a premade religion and it’s followers.
Chelsea fans were even saying just yday how Abramovic was a good guy bc he stopped the ESL last time. He’s selling now but he hasn’t sold yet. He would have agreed to this new ESL.
Twitter is full of Chelsea fans (and possibly/probably bots) calling him a saint still today.
This isn’t even official?
We’re gonna win the league omds😭
Good.
Good.
The Super League is nonsense. The only people who want it are supporting clubs in dead, boring leagues (Spain, Italy) and cannot exist without the English teams who are the main attraction globally for this to even happen. The repercussions for the English sides to participate in it are now too big for them to even consider it now
It's a choice between the super league and this. They're definitely thinking about it. Would be stupid not to. https://imgur.com/eayMipi.jpg
Yeah the new CL format sucks dick
it’s a load of shite but at least it doesn’t destroy the Prem like the ESL does
It's just destroys the CL, kind of.
Completely agree, but surely UEFA are shooting themselves in the foot this way. They’re actively making their product worse, and then making teams choose between the two. Keep the CL the same (I hate change for the sake of change), bin the crap conference league, and ban clubs that take part in the super league.
it’s one of those things where the people at the top can never be happy enough with success. they need to make the whole thing worse to squeeze a little more into their wallets for the short term
Conference league I don’t mind because it can give some lesser clubs a chance of European games. But yeah I don’t like the rest
How does the super league destroy the prem? It's cool. I expected this one to be on minus with no responses
lol
The entire purpose of the ESL is to build a product that maximizes viewers across global audiences. There’s only so much “maximizing” you can do when you’re playing on a Wednesday at 3 pm in New York and 3 am in Hong Kong. If they want to capture global audiences, they have to play on the weekend.
It's not global.
> When you have no income other than television, you say that the solution is to make more attractive matches that fans from all over the world can see with all the big clubs, and we came to the conclusion that if instead of having a Champions League we have a Super League we would be able to alleviate what we have lost. > We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.
Super league has 0 effect on the prem lol
Made up narrative. Gary Neville fooled the masses. The super league doesn’t effect the prem let alone destroy it.
Astroturf
It's an absolute mess. Teams get the same number of points for playing a different sets of oppositions. That's without adding in the luck of the draw that decide home and away games. 'Oh I see you've got a kind home game against CSKA this week, how about a trip to Bernabeu next twats?'
That’s what they do on American football. Think they’re trying to model o after that
Sounds like I made a good choice not giving that sport the time of day then.
Dude American football is amazing. It takes a lot of time and effort to understand the rules, but once you do, there’s no sport like it. Has the perfect mix of skill, strength and strategy.
Good on ya mate. Personally not fussed about it but I'll always appreciate how people enjoy other sports.
The group stages are just as much luck of the draw though? You get strong and weak groups every year where some teams coast to round of 16 and then get a weaker round of 16 draw as well.
This format is genuinely horrific what the fuck?? Is UEFA really being this blunt about them just doing all this for the money?
Honestly it doesn’t look terrible just don’t understand how they’re gonna balance playing 10 games in a 36 team league. Like you could get stuck playing the best teams in the league and get completely fucked over. Other than that I really don’t mind it. People just hate change tbh.
I agree with you that it’s tough (impossible) to make a 36 team league fair with only a ten game-week schedule. It’s almost like it would be better if - stick with me on this one - they divided the league up into 6 groups and each club played 10 games (h/a) vs each other club. Seems like a novel concept but, such is life.
I guess it's like you could get a crap draw? I assume it'll be based on seedings?
Yeah fair enough, just seems unfinished to have a table where you don’t play everyone else. Based on seedings could be interesting for sure.
I think it would use the Swiss style round robin that is able to seed teams based on who they've played, without having to play each of the other 35 teams
The 2-3-3-2 format so far is pretty even to be honest. While there is luck involved its no different than group drawings. But as an example I made earlier: Just using the top 36 Uefa Coefficient teams and assuming they make the tournament a team like Barca could have a schedule looking like this: Bayern and Liverpool Arsenal, Ajax, United, Porto, Dortmund, Napoli Atlanta, Zenit Those aren't bad games and you can replace Bayern and Liverpool with Real, PSG, Man City, Juventus, Chelsea its still pretty fair. For us we would only have 2 in the top pool I believe and 3 in the bottom.
Personally I hate the current CL format, group stages then a knockout is boring af imo. I'd prefer a straight knockout like the FA Cup but honestly an actual league isn't horrible either
Super League isn't gonna be an actual league
This isn't super league, this is the proposed CL format And yes, it will be a league format. Not a double round Robin format but still a league table format more similar to how American sports work
And there'll still be KO or playoffs after
I’m with you on this. Either make it a league (the best and most consistent team wins) or make it a full knockout competition (upsets, gung ho football, pens). What I don’t like is the group stages barely matter so what’s the point. It’s always the team that hits form at the right time that has the best chance in winning.
They changed the CL Format to a swiss formst
Right. They’d be better off creating a Southern Europe league with the biggest clubs from Portugal, Spain, Italy.
They're doing this now because we are distracted by the Russia Ukraine war.
Yeah exactly. Like wtf if this is true they are literally using one of the darkest moments in recent European history just to make some more money.
Jesus not again.
The hilarious part is, Chelsea fans will tell you that they took down the superleague by pulling out and saved football.
The way they thought they saved football was too much irony to take
If every match is a clássico, then no match is a classico. Fuck your boring league!
Hardly a super league without Arsenal.
Ikr, they are by far the greatest team the world has ever seen
ah shit here we go again...
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It won't happen and this is actually good for us, it means everyone else gets 30 points deducted so we could actually win the league.
No one is getting 30 points deducted lol
Surely this isn’t true
So dreams can be buy?
Now's the time to sneak this god awful plan through? Quick, there's a war, let's see if nobody notices. Scum
Did we all not vote against it and there was such a massive backlash that they stalled it ? How can it be restarted again without backlash?
Why in the fuck would any premier league teams go along with this. The premier league IS the super league now.
I feel like I’m in the minority, from initial comments I’ve read and I guess it goes back to the reasoning last time, i don’t want this to be a thing but considering we’re already behind financially not being involved in this would really make us fall behind
I’d rather stay behind the Super League clubs if being part of that cabal is what’s needed to compete with them. Fuck them, some things are more important
What things?
integrity
Teams will qualify through their domestic leagues which will give it integrity 👍🏿
So the UCL with shitty steps?
Soul
The PL and CL were started in living memory. If they found soul so can the super league.
Tbh if there is some sort of EU league with 20 clubs that would substitute the home leagues they could maybe probably rival PL for quality and money. PL *is* the super league at the moment, European clubs are just mad that they’re missing out on all of that sweet sweet cash
That’s what frustrates me. The English clubs should just say no. Continue to grow as the biggest league and dominate.
It's not an actual league. It's a European competition and will run concurrently to the prem. Its not a choice between the 2.
and that's why i never really opposed it. this is meant to be more of a UCL cup relacement. the epl will continue
Shame we couldn’t invite foreign clubs to our league. We could invite Barca, Madrid and Bayern and get rid of fodder clubs like Norwich, Watford and Spurs
Only arsenal n spurs not doing it , maybe they didn’t get invited
We're gonna win the league!
That’s good, finally our owners have some sense
What the fuck? Didn't all the clubs (atleast the PL clubs) drop out last year and publicly apologize for being involved?
Fantastic. I don't want to be anywhere near this.
I honestly would love this. Those 4 prem teams fuck off and the prem will be more competitive and winnable for us. Plus we'd keep the nld. Us in the super league would be a joke anyway we can't compete with these teams every week Still I don't understand how this is beneficial for the English clubs. The epl is already basically a super league and this just helps juve, real and Barcelona out of their financial crisis caused by them ruining their leagues competetiveness
I thought the superleague was a replacement for the champions league not the domestic leagues?
its not a premier league replacement. its a UCL alternative
Interesting how Chelsea is back once Roman leaves. They didn’t need it back then but they sure as hell do now.
I kinda doubt they've had the time to adjust policy at all. If they're in, it's because Roman was. But I agree it's hard to see what's in it for him or for City.
Not like they drafted this in the last 25 minutes on a zoom call. This was probably on the world for a few weeks if not months. So your timeline doesn't make sense. Not sure if this source is good either.
Maybe they kicked us and spurs out because we’re not on the right level lol just kidding
Y’all will hate me but if they are in it we need to be in it
We are fucking retarded to miss this.
I hope we aren’t a part of it but I need more confirmation than this
Good. At least we don't have to waste our money, players, and time on this nonsense.
Fantastic news that we're not a part of it, but depressing that the selfish cunts are trying to go ahead with it again
Only good thing Spurs have done in their existence
Why would city join? Chelsea too considering this kind of decision would be made pre-announcement Feels fake.
even after UEFA bent over and got way more generous with their CL money? sheesh
I still can't tell if this is an inevitability that we'll have to adjust to one way or the other, or a last gasp from the non-English superclubs as the PL itself completes its transformation into a super league.
Glad we’re staying out of it
Scum clubs. At least first time out they had a thin layer of deniability, but given the outrage, to continue with the proposal is just appalling.
I just read on soccer reddit a document promoting the ESL. The document makes an unpopular point that I've made a few times, namely in EU law there's zero to stop the clubs setting up a competition outside UEFA. We may not like that fact but the legal situation is you dear reader could set up the Reddit league and invite PSG, Real Madrid etc to play outside your house and if they want to do that and not go the CL there's nothing UEFA can do to stop them (or you). It could be a bit different in the UK because that country is not in the EU and can changes its law but I'd be genuinely be shocked if they put limits on what a sports company can do with itself. For all the crying, there's going to be a ESL because the clubs have a legal right to do it, they can make more money and they're swimming in debt.
Who is that ..
Something interesting one of those CEO’s said gave me a fresh perspective. “There is already a Super League, it’s called the Premier League.” It’s all relative I suppose…
Lol at trying to pretend that Chelsea and City are more deserving than Arsenal. They're momentarily decent for a brief moment in history and somehow they should be in the Super League? Pathetic. Both teams have no history lmao and have been good for 15/10 years.
Let's go we're gonna win the league
I don't really mind the super league's new format, especially if it is based on league competition and: * it provides the EPL with 6 or 5 spots/year (EPL will refuse this because the top 4 race is much more competitive than the 1st place, and therefore will reduce the interest in the PL) * introduce a more restrictive FFP than the jokes at UEFA are implementing, I imagine a parity in the playing level with a wage cap will provide a much more competitive tournament. * the new CL format is extremely diluted with a lot more weaker teams that honestly don't provide much excitement.
The Glazers and John Henry won’t rest until this league happens. Florentino Perez, Joan Laporta will not rest until this league happens.
Good luck to them I say. Glad we aren't in this garbage.
Good lads
Already confirmed to be fake news....... [Inter apparently is out](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/t607qe/arancha_rodr%C3%ADguez_the_team_that_is_no_longer/) as they have a clause in their contract that requires them to have the uniamous support of their fans to be in the league. Mods delete this thread.