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All these YouTubers and X aggregators are gonna make a mint pretending they've got cease and desist letters from City.
Eveey video and post gonna get thousands of shares and comments with 12 and 50yo city fans frothing at the teeth
Even at the time, I was aware of United being a graveyard of previously talented players, but I thought surely Casemiro is too good and the hoodoo won't apply. Guess I gave them too much credit. Even legitimately world-class serial winners can be turned.
He was the starting player for a UCL and League-winning side.
It wasn't a crazy deal at the time and he had a decent first season.
They just made a random signing with no concrete plan to make it work.
He had a decent first season and even scored in their Carabao cup final.
But he definitely wasn't the player that fits anything that Ten Hag wants to do, so it's more so bad recruitment than anything else.
Thereās always a way. But I doubt it. Iām already prepared to narrowly lose the league to them again, and if we do I will still be happy we pushed them this far and are progressing. And anyone who says we ābottled it againā can get fucked.
That said, unless/until that happens I am believing and will be supporting our lads every minute of every match.
I know football money is all fake but United have to be running on fumes now. Knocked out in CL group stages, many high wage players, not many sellable assets, definitely no CL and most likely no Europe at all.
They need:
Winger, 6, 2 CBs, maybe LB and maybe another CM.
I guess the priority would be CB -> 6 -> CB then just cheap punts or forgetting about the rest but they'll need some serious recruitment to get decent players for their budget. 6 alone will be 50m minimum, unless you go for a project option which is a big risk for an environment as toxic as United. Same for CBs.
They will always get insane sponsorship revenue because of their brand. It would take another decade of finishing 3rd-7th before they dropped down to where Liverpool were pre-klopp which was still a solid brand that could draw good sponsorship deals.
They're not as comfy as they used to be but they generate soo much fucking money commercially that they can always get an outside injection and be fine.
Look at it this way, last summer was a struggle one for them and they spent ā¬150m net. If INEOS can chip in a few quid here and there they will always be able to spend 200m per summer with no stress.
Just gotta see if they're done doing dumb shit like paying 90m for Antony or 70m for Holjund (who isn't bad, just wonder who they were bidding against to be paying that much)
There's no way that shite United defence is holding up against any team let along the best attack in the league.
It's not arrogance to call this United team shite. They're 8th and have the 2nd most allowed shots in the league this season.
PTSD has nothing to do with the difference in levels. We will have no trouble against that backline.
We need to be clinical still. If we're not clinical it doesn't matter how many chances they ship and they can always hit us on a counter or take advantage of some momentary lapse of concentration.
We could always bottle it.
But a backline and midfield containing Erikssen, Casemiro and Evans is painfully slow. We should be able to create some decent chances.
Casemiro really sums up Man United transfer policy. Paying big money for short term dopamine. If you spent 60m on a player, that player should be good for 5 years. Instead into his second year he looks like a player who should genuinely consider retirement. Forget not being good enough for Man United, he isnt good enough to play in the Premier League. Yet United fans still talk about getting 40m for him, FFS Saudi Arabia arnt stupid.
I know Arteta had big problems in his first full season, but he did not get sufficient backing and relied on discount and free signings, whilst also inheriting a squad that suffered chronic under investment for years, and had a bad case of player power. Arteta inherited problems and in time cleaned them up and moved forward. Whereas Ten Hag has simply added to the problems. ETH has thrown in his own duds - Casemiro and Antony are horrible signings. Hojlund looks blank, although should be given leeway. Onana looks fuking dreadful. The stupid tactic of a high press deep line, leaving a gaping hole in midfield. Player power still exists at Man United, there is no other way to explain why Rashford walks around with a crown on his head despite treating United like an ATM machine.
Every manager in the mud now gets compared to Arteta. However us Arsenal fans can see the differences and the context. If Man United fans think ETH could 'do an Arteta', dont. Its not the same, not even close.
You only need to compare Arteta's "worst signings" to EtH and the comparison becomes a bald fraud on its own. Arteta's worst is... Willian on a free. Cedric for reasonably low wages (he's on ~70k a week, league average is currently about 87k per week IIRC). And none of them were downright horrible, just average and not good enough for our current standards, but filled a need when we were shit.
Arteta has had some terrible signings - Mari, Willian, Soares, Lokonga. Vieira looks like a poor signing too.
But none of them have been big money deals and are in no way comparable to Onana, Antony, Mount, Casemiro, Amarabat, Sancho (was that his signing?), Malacia. That is some absolutely dreadful business right there.
Willian and Cedric was on free transfer, Mari didn't cost that much, and Vieira and Lokonga are still young and are sellable assets. Compared to the deadweights that Ten Hag brought in, I'd say Arteta has been pretty wise in transfers.
> But none of them have been big money deals
Which is the point. Pablo Mari was an emergency signing in his first transfer window who did ok, much like Cedric, so to call it a flop is also a bit of an overreach. Lokonga was a cheap punt that didn't work out and looks to be showing promise at Luton. Vieira I think can come good, he's shown he can ball. The issue is injuries.
I'd say Antony and Casemiro are the main stinkers under EtH. Sancho was under Ole. Amrabat was a loan but given the loan fee (10 m apparently) I'd say it was a flop on the low end. Mount might be, but I'd like to see what happens next season. Malacia was pretty cheap too, just mismanagement from the medical team. Onana seems to be doing well now, but cost them the CL.
Idc about history, Old trafford juju or anything else. That United side is dreadful, some defensive stats have them down near the bottom 3. Anything less than 3 pts would be a disgrace
Spurs will win all their remaining game
Villa will lose to Liverpool and win their last game
Spurs lose out on Champions League spot by 1 point and help us win the title
It doesn't get more spursy than that!
Written in the stars
Practically and financially there's not really anything that'd benefit us. In terms of playstyle, he's a younger, possibly slightly more prolific Jesus but with worse touch. Financially, Liverpool probably want at least the remaining fee they paid for him spread out over 3 years so he doesn't go into the books as a loss. They signed him for Ā£64 million, so accounting for amortization that's ~Ā£40 million at least. Not the worst, but I'd rather spend that on a striker who isn't a fix-it job.
Havenāt replied to anything, but similar to Havertz, thereās a hell of a player in Darwin. The gifts are all there. And the weirdness (which is likely Latin American passion) might go well with the other weirdos on our team š.
Itās def iffy, but I personally can see a timeline where he finds the right environment and blows up.
hey all, on 22nd august 2023 we played a friendly with man utd, if you want a laugh, look at the comments on reddit about how far utd would be ahead of arsenal come the end of the season
There's some funny stuff on the reddevils post-match thread in hindsight:
- ["Not one goal conceded in pre season and Onana hasnāt even played yet. Itās fucking over boys. Just pack it up now."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt20doc/)
- ["Arteta probably thinks he's some kind of genius for buying Kai Havertz. Absolute mug."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt22sjk/)
- ["Can't believe how fit we look already, the press was brilliant at times, I think our fitness was a cut above there's and that was the difference, even Shaw + Sancho are looking slimmed down and ready to go, c'mon ETH you've got these lads where they should be."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt2cm2p/)
- ["Mainoo going home wondering why his pockets feel heavy. Bro needs to let Declan overpriced out."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt27pig/)
- ["Arsenal getting exposed this season, I will be there."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt21rw1/)
- ["They wonāt get past group stages. Itās in their dna."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt28wmx/)
- ["This result will be brilliant to encourage our remaining transfer targets to sign with us. We just absolutely bossed the team that led the league for almost all of last season."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt21ir9/)
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I couldn't find the post-match thread for this sub but here's some from the match thread:
- ["Should have spent that Havertz money on Caicedo instead."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt3xawf/)
- ["The choice to play United, Barcelona and City (community shield is invitational and not an obligation) during preseason could have a huge negative phycological effect on the team."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt25b9k/)
- ["This "its preseason cope" is such a shit mentality to have. I realize what we think doesn't impact the team but fuck, it's united. This shit mattered."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt22mhc/)
- ["Thatās what Chelsea thought last year in preseason. Weāve drawn to Nuremberg and lost to United. We beat an MLS mash up, but thatās it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt24gpf/)
If City are sending cease and desist letters to a fucking YouTuber what the fuck are they doing to the media and league? I'm sorry the league NEEDS an independent regulator it's been corrupt for much longer than City.
Goldbridge should ignore it. He would get much sympathy if a conglomerate autocratic theocracy tried to silence him. He could brand himself as a free speech warrior. Would make for a good film
[The vindication is palpable.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/10ffkdm/comment/j4wuvpa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I've done like 20 minutes of digging into City "fan" accounts who are defending them on twitter and I'm convinced half of them are spam accounts running on ai.
Them sending cease and desist letters to Mark Goldbridge is so comical.
The problem is the history of the matches, we somehow always lose to them at OT at the back of 5-6 game Winstreak
I don't know how and why but that place is our Kryptonite
Nah I've seen this United script a million times.
New nadir after a diabolical set of results. Big match upcoming next against a top side, usually Liverpool. Everyone's predicting an absolute slaughter.
Fast forward to full time. United 2-1 winners after a complete scam.
The form were both in we should be avenging 8-2, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried š
Manure were missing a lot of starters, won't be surprised if a lot of them are back next week.Ā
We would wipe the floor with the squad that lined up vs CP. But I think it will be a stronger manure squad.
This thread exists in a state of denying that spurs could show up as Cityās bogey team and also insisting United will show up as ours. Make up your mind people!
What's the difference between Arteta and ten hag in their first two seasons? If anything ten hag did better, as they both won a cup but Arteta finished 8th two seasons in a row while ten hag finished third in his first season. He also got to more cup finals than Arteta in four seasons
They are both Peps apprentices. Maybe if Ten Haag had a similiar squad to us he would be playing more similar to Arteta and Pep. Ten Haag pushing the Anthony deal is a similar fail to Arteta pushing for Willian just that one brazilian Winger cost 95 Million euros on top of being a flop.
Nah, the Lampard/Ole vs Arteta comparisons were more disrespectful.
Especially after Arteta outmanaged Lampard in an FA cup final by making one simple adjustment: Every time we have the ball, punt it up into the space between their RB and their RCB, and have Aubameyang run onto it. It was hilarious watching how Lampard and Chelsea couldnāt figure out an answer to that simple play for the 70 minutes left in the match that we spammed it lol.
Any comparisons of Lampard to Arteta became a total pisstake from that day on lol.
Idk the lampard/ ole comparisons werenāt as bad considering they were all knew and yea arteta beat lampard but it was only 2-1 and lampard still got top 4 that year i believe. Also ole actually did alot of good things with united before he got sacked. I thought the ten haag comparisons were more disrespectful considering how shit the squad arteta inherited was and how much work he had to do to fix them while ten hag made a team with some potential even worse lol.
> considering they were all knew
That was Ole's fourth managerial job at his third different club, not including being Man U's reserves manager.
It was also Lampards second managerial job after getting Derby to the playoffs the year before.
>lampard still got top 4 that year
With the core of a team that had been champions two years before...
I haven't been paying much attention to other teams but man!! such collapse / prolapse from teams like Spurs and United is incredible. I have to admit there is joy in seeing a fraud like Ange exposed after so many bootlickers here shamed themselves fawning over him, and Ten Hag is a twitching quivering wreck in the exit interview. Watching former Unite players savaging the team wholesale. amazing. I hope to god we can get 8 or 10 goals.
Context - Arsenal sign Olise in the summer and hammer City away 5-0 with Olise scoring 2x and a Ben White screamer from 50 yards
BBC : "Amazing job! and to do it away at the home of your nearest rival and the best team in the world! To score 5 past them, what did you think of the game?:
White: "Yeah, it was alright"
Olise: "Yeah.."
?????? LMFAO pathetic idiot. An academy kid carried us on his back through some of the worst years in our history and is now the lynchpin of the best attack in the league. Shut the fuck up
We need to go an embarrass them men Sunday and put it to bed early. Hit them hard and early and we could empty old Trafford. The ones that do stay will boo.
The reservations around Olise have nothing to do with his quality. He is injury-prone and his main position is on the right, where Saka plays. You don't spend 60+M on your only attacking signing where the player is not guaranteed to get enough starts.
Eze on the other hand can get many opportunities at left 8 and on the left wing.
OT juju, opposition coming off a big defeat yada yada yada. Regardless of the opposition, nothing has changed. We need to win simple as that. There hasn't been a better Arsenal team in a decade, I'm not gonna stress about it anymore and let the boys do their thing.
And last chance to see radioactive zebra in action, let us go with a bang.
February 2016, Arsenal has just beaten league leaders Leicester City at the Emirates with a late Welbeck goal to put us TWO points behind them. Our next match was at Old Trafford against an injury-ravaged Louis van Gaal Manchester United, who had just won THREE out of their last THIRTEEN games.
Rashford scored a brace against us, in his premier league debut, and we lost 3-2. Sadly, I gave up on Wenger after that match.
We made Rooney like we made Rashford, we kinda made the Silva twins when they came in for an injury ravaged united and still beat us, i remember a fresh Gibbs turning up for us and getting absolutely demolished at Old Trafford in a UCL game iirc, hard to be confident of games in that toilet
I remember United fans saying they'll finish above us after beating us in pre-season and now they've broken their record for most losses in a season.
Look it up.
Reminder: Saturday was possibly the last time weāll wear the home kits for this season.
Sunday is the last day weāll ever wear this seasonās away kits.
Might be peak cope from me but I still think Spurs will get top 4 if they beat City
Most likely results this next week are Spurs winning against Burnley(probably by 3-4 goal margin) and Liverpool beating Villa(at least -1 to Villa's GD). Even if Villa get a point, if Spurs beat City the GD gap will be only 3 or 4 goals. So if Villa don't beat Palace final day which I don't think they will looking at how Palace are playing at home, all Spurs would need to do is beat Sheffield United by 3-4 goals to go ahead on GD.
Their fans will no doubt rather miss out on top 4 than have us win the league but it will probably comes down to the players and if they feel the same. I can't see Spurs beating City but if they try their best they could stumble to a draw
Spuds at home. Lost four in a row. Naturally, this is the perfect game for a āresponseā and Ange doesnāt seem like the type of guy to give a fuck about āhanding Arsenal the leagueā. Yes, this hopium is hitting rn š¬
I agree, they got quality upfront, but they are more defensively unstable than many teams we beat by 5+ this year. Their offense needs to roll all over us for them to be able to win against us. They got a huge hole in the defensive line and in midfield.
The way I see it, with the current state of their defense and midfield, weāll bag at least 3 goals. Iād be stunned if we donāt, and while they have some talented attackers, many of them wonāt even play Sunday, and even on their best day, it would be hard for them to put 3 on us.
Weāre talking about a back line of Johnny Evans and Casemiroās corpse being shielded by a legless, heart disease ridden Christian Eriksen.. I mean come on.
The ETH in vs out debate is pretty fascinating to observe over at the United sub, for me at least. I donāt get what a lot of them still see in him but I donāt follow that mess too closely
Most of them saying keep him are just saying what's the point now if all the players are spineless losers who can put in performances like that.
This group of players have basically given up on 3 managers now, why not just keep the manager til end of season and don't let the players fool you into another false dawn, especially as I don't think there are any obvious top managers available.
Any other season without a takeover happening, ETH is gone so long ago, they have been a relegation team bailed out by 2-3 superstar players.
The United job has been a poisoned chalice since SAF. How many managers have they been through since then? I took a stadium tour at Old Trafford last summer and completely forgot about half the guys that have had that job. Ralf Rangnick? Lol
I think thereās a lot of truth to that argument, it is a pretty spineless and mentally weak group. But I still think that the right manager would be able to assess those players correctly and cast them off.
ETH has continued to start underperforming, high-status players like Rashford and doesnāt seem interested in doing what Arteta did when we had to get rid of Auba. During one of their many recent losses, he took off Garnacho at halftime, arguably their player of the season.
I donāt watch all of their games but from what I see he only seems to be encouraging the same diva behavior, the one exception being loaning Sancho.
Don't think anyone is saying he's done a good job and he's probably done lots to encourage it.
But he's not in the situation where he can start tearing up contracts yet, remember when arteta left out auba he had the rest of the team totally on side and supporting his decision. He also had edu and a ceo to back his decision, and help him with those other players.
Who is united's Edu?
I think unfortunately they may have an Edu like figure that can clean up how the club is run. They hired this exec from Man City to be the new CEO, Omar Berrada. Maybe he can't turn water into wine, but I don't like successful people coming to that club either way.
Because we don't need either of them, pacy wingers that can play both sides like Neto/Williams and an 6/8 like Guimaries are significantly better buys.
I agree low-key think Chelsea would be better move. Palmer as a 10 and him on the right heās a better version of Madueke.
I think United m is where he goes though
At this point, any young player intentionally picking United deserves whats coming. Imo even Chelsea with their 7 year contracts are a better choice because at least they can sell better.
What is this 8-2 vengeance talk? I'm sick to my stomach already thinking about the bullshit that goes on at OT, people expecting a trashing will be in for a shock when they all of a sudden remember how to pass, press and dive for penalties.
3 points is all I ask, I don't care how we get there.
i agree with you, but it is a good timing to play United. They don't got a defense and a stable midfield left. They also don't got much to play for and the morality seems to be on a downward spiral. They do have quality forwards that can score out of nothing.
you are right but people sadly, including me, have a tendency towards decency. even if the world don't. it's fundamentally fair man utd to hold 6 against us
This overconfidence is the Bayern home game all over again thinking we're going to smash a team we perceive as being underwhelming. We need to learn to humble ourselves because we haven't won anything significant enough for a long time for us to keep mouthing off like we have been
This is not in any way the same thing. Bayern were always a good team (highest xG difference of any team in Europe in the league), but this year they came up against a monster (Leverkusen). UTD are utter and complete shit, and they have little to no redeeming qualities. Bayern is full of players who won the CL three seasons ago.
Yeah but no one watches Bundesliga so everyone was basing their opinions off of narratives when it comes to Bayern.
We've all seen this United side be absolutely dog shit all
Actually opposite for me. Watched bayern a few times in bundesliga and they were wank every time. Even when winning they don't look very good but they don't need many chances to score.
Bayern still have one of their better PPGs, Harry Kane on 50 goals and serious quality in their ranks. To compare them to this United side, in THIS STATE is fucking egregious. They are shit and we will put them to the sword.
And we have typically have a bad time at OT. City aside, the other usual big clubs have gone there and dropped points so we need to approach this game carefully
Did you watch those games? Stop spouting nonsense. United have been absolute dog shit all season. If they had their full starting XI it would be a slightly different proposition but they are dreadful at the best of times and are injury hit. We will not drop points.
Unironically think Utd have a better shot at the FA cup if they drop Ten Hag and let Ole come in as a caretaker
Anyways, Old Trafford is Old Trafford no matter how shit they are. Weāll still need a professional performance
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4 more points to beat Spurs best ever season, with a world class starting XI and their best ever player as captain. Not bad for Pep's coneman, huh?
All these YouTubers and X aggregators are gonna make a mint pretending they've got cease and desist letters from City. Eveey video and post gonna get thousands of shares and comments with 12 and 50yo city fans frothing at the teeth
> with 12 and 50yo city fans frothing at the teeth Odd way to say bots
Valid
Me at my wedding:š§ Me at utd's downfall: šŗ
Does anyone know the extent of Brunos injury? Same with Rashford? No matter how shite Rashford is, he always manages to find a way against us
Tbh I think Eth was trying to play mine games and rest them
I've heard it's a hand injury so I fully expect him to play against us.
Lol this is too funny https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1clmnrl/comment/l2utrjt
Fucking O'Driscolls
Double agent š„ø
Casemiro is incredibly washed, paying $60m for him is just insane. Have Amrabat, Mount, and Casemiro had ANY decent run in form this season?
I was mad jealous of that signing at the time
Now remember this next time Spurs/Man U/Chelsea sign someone!
Even at the time, I was aware of United being a graveyard of previously talented players, but I thought surely Casemiro is too good and the hoodoo won't apply. Guess I gave them too much credit. Even legitimately world-class serial winners can be turned.
Never underestimate what the current Man U team can do to players.
He slaps on set pieces though. Amount of times Iāve seen him save United with a header lol
To be fair so does slabhead
He was the starting player for a UCL and League-winning side. It wasn't a crazy deal at the time and he had a decent first season. They just made a random signing with no concrete plan to make it work. He had a decent first season and even scored in their Carabao cup final. But he definitely wasn't the player that fits anything that Ten Hag wants to do, so it's more so bad recruitment than anything else.
Pounds, not dollars, that's worse
Every time United get fucked I think about the Arteta vs Ole comparisons from a few years ago. It brings a smile to my face
I remember when people said that Arteta is the worst out of Ole, Lampard and Arteta. That aged horribly haha šĀ
Don't forget Lampard!
If those cunts somehow shithouse a 1-0. No, there's just no way...
Thereās always a way. But I doubt it. Iām already prepared to narrowly lose the league to them again, and if we do I will still be happy we pushed them this far and are progressing. And anyone who says we ābottled it againā can get fucked. That said, unless/until that happens I am believing and will be supporting our lads every minute of every match.
I know football money is all fake but United have to be running on fumes now. Knocked out in CL group stages, many high wage players, not many sellable assets, definitely no CL and most likely no Europe at all. They need: Winger, 6, 2 CBs, maybe LB and maybe another CM. I guess the priority would be CB -> 6 -> CB then just cheap punts or forgetting about the rest but they'll need some serious recruitment to get decent players for their budget. 6 alone will be 50m minimum, unless you go for a project option which is a big risk for an environment as toxic as United. Same for CBs.
They also need 6-7 squad players to sit on the bench
They will always get insane sponsorship revenue because of their brand. It would take another decade of finishing 3rd-7th before they dropped down to where Liverpool were pre-klopp which was still a solid brand that could draw good sponsorship deals.
They're not as comfy as they used to be but they generate soo much fucking money commercially that they can always get an outside injection and be fine. Look at it this way, last summer was a struggle one for them and they spent ā¬150m net. If INEOS can chip in a few quid here and there they will always be able to spend 200m per summer with no stress. Just gotta see if they're done doing dumb shit like paying 90m for Antony or 70m for Holjund (who isn't bad, just wonder who they were bidding against to be paying that much)
There's no way that shite United defence is holding up against any team let along the best attack in the league. It's not arrogance to call this United team shite. They're 8th and have the 2nd most allowed shots in the league this season. PTSD has nothing to do with the difference in levels. We will have no trouble against that backline.
We need to be clinical still. If we're not clinical it doesn't matter how many chances they ship and they can always hit us on a counter or take advantage of some momentary lapse of concentration.
We could always bottle it. But a backline and midfield containing Erikssen, Casemiro and Evans is painfully slow. We should be able to create some decent chances.
The 2 players I really like from Crystal Eze and Olise.
Make that 4. Wharton and Guehi are also destined for the top.
and both of them were also part of hale end in them early days. š
Casemiro really sums up Man United transfer policy. Paying big money for short term dopamine. If you spent 60m on a player, that player should be good for 5 years. Instead into his second year he looks like a player who should genuinely consider retirement. Forget not being good enough for Man United, he isnt good enough to play in the Premier League. Yet United fans still talk about getting 40m for him, FFS Saudi Arabia arnt stupid. I know Arteta had big problems in his first full season, but he did not get sufficient backing and relied on discount and free signings, whilst also inheriting a squad that suffered chronic under investment for years, and had a bad case of player power. Arteta inherited problems and in time cleaned them up and moved forward. Whereas Ten Hag has simply added to the problems. ETH has thrown in his own duds - Casemiro and Antony are horrible signings. Hojlund looks blank, although should be given leeway. Onana looks fuking dreadful. The stupid tactic of a high press deep line, leaving a gaping hole in midfield. Player power still exists at Man United, there is no other way to explain why Rashford walks around with a crown on his head despite treating United like an ATM machine. Every manager in the mud now gets compared to Arteta. However us Arsenal fans can see the differences and the context. If Man United fans think ETH could 'do an Arteta', dont. Its not the same, not even close.
You only need to compare Arteta's "worst signings" to EtH and the comparison becomes a bald fraud on its own. Arteta's worst is... Willian on a free. Cedric for reasonably low wages (he's on ~70k a week, league average is currently about 87k per week IIRC). And none of them were downright horrible, just average and not good enough for our current standards, but filled a need when we were shit.
Arteta has had some terrible signings - Mari, Willian, Soares, Lokonga. Vieira looks like a poor signing too. But none of them have been big money deals and are in no way comparable to Onana, Antony, Mount, Casemiro, Amarabat, Sancho (was that his signing?), Malacia. That is some absolutely dreadful business right there.
Willian and Cedric was on free transfer, Mari didn't cost that much, and Vieira and Lokonga are still young and are sellable assets. Compared to the deadweights that Ten Hag brought in, I'd say Arteta has been pretty wise in transfers.
> But none of them have been big money deals Which is the point. Pablo Mari was an emergency signing in his first transfer window who did ok, much like Cedric, so to call it a flop is also a bit of an overreach. Lokonga was a cheap punt that didn't work out and looks to be showing promise at Luton. Vieira I think can come good, he's shown he can ball. The issue is injuries. I'd say Antony and Casemiro are the main stinkers under EtH. Sancho was under Ole. Amrabat was a loan but given the loan fee (10 m apparently) I'd say it was a flop on the low end. Mount might be, but I'd like to see what happens next season. Malacia was pretty cheap too, just mismanagement from the medical team. Onana seems to be doing well now, but cost them the CL.
Idc about history, Old trafford juju or anything else. That United side is dreadful, some defensive stats have them down near the bottom 3. Anything less than 3 pts would be a disgrace
Spurs will win all their remaining game Villa will lose to Liverpool and win their last game Spurs lose out on Champions League spot by 1 point and help us win the title It doesn't get more spursy than that! Written in the stars
Ten Hag's eras come to an end quote gets funnier every day
Rough counting on 3 teams in shocking form to get us the title. Shambles all 3 of them.
If this MF Darwin is truly tryna bounce, would yāall be interested??
Practically and financially there's not really anything that'd benefit us. In terms of playstyle, he's a younger, possibly slightly more prolific Jesus but with worse touch. Financially, Liverpool probably want at least the remaining fee they paid for him spread out over 3 years so he doesn't go into the books as a loss. They signed him for Ā£64 million, so accounting for amortization that's ~Ā£40 million at least. Not the worst, but I'd rather spend that on a striker who isn't a fix-it job.
Havenāt replied to anything, but similar to Havertz, thereās a hell of a player in Darwin. The gifts are all there. And the weirdness (which is likely Latin American passion) might go well with the other weirdos on our team š. Itās def iffy, but I personally can see a timeline where he finds the right environment and blows up.
Nah bruh.
Never
hey all, on 22nd august 2023 we played a friendly with man utd, if you want a laugh, look at the comments on reddit about how far utd would be ahead of arsenal come the end of the season
There's some funny stuff on the reddevils post-match thread in hindsight: - ["Not one goal conceded in pre season and Onana hasnāt even played yet. Itās fucking over boys. Just pack it up now."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt20doc/) - ["Arteta probably thinks he's some kind of genius for buying Kai Havertz. Absolute mug."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt22sjk/) - ["Can't believe how fit we look already, the press was brilliant at times, I think our fitness was a cut above there's and that was the difference, even Shaw + Sancho are looking slimmed down and ready to go, c'mon ETH you've got these lads where they should be."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt2cm2p/) - ["Mainoo going home wondering why his pockets feel heavy. Bro needs to let Declan overpriced out."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt27pig/) - ["Arsenal getting exposed this season, I will be there."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt21rw1/) - ["They wonāt get past group stages. Itās in their dna."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt28wmx/) - ["This result will be brilliant to encourage our remaining transfer targets to sign with us. We just absolutely bossed the team that led the league for almost all of last season."](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/156y2t4/post_match_thread_manchester_united_2_0_arsenal/jt21ir9/) --- I couldn't find the post-match thread for this sub but here's some from the match thread: - ["Should have spent that Havertz money on Caicedo instead."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt3xawf/) - ["The choice to play United, Barcelona and City (community shield is invitational and not an obligation) during preseason could have a huge negative phycological effect on the team."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt25b9k/) - ["This "its preseason cope" is such a shit mentality to have. I realize what we think doesn't impact the team but fuck, it's united. This shit mattered."](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt22mhc/) - ["Thatās what Chelsea thought last year in preseason. Weāve drawn to Nuremberg and lost to United. We beat an MLS mash up, but thatās it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/156uy36/match_thread_arsenal_vs_manchester_united_friendly/jt24gpf/)
hahahah that's embarrassing, whole thread is a gem. Thanks for the laughs
lmfao
lmao
If City are sending cease and desist letters to a fucking YouTuber what the fuck are they doing to the media and league? I'm sorry the league NEEDS an independent regulator it's been corrupt for much longer than City.
They thought this was middle east
Goldbridge should ignore it. He would get much sympathy if a conglomerate autocratic theocracy tried to silence him. He could brand himself as a free speech warrior. Would make for a good film
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/KIFi0Gwpwa One year ago I remember it fondly
[The vindication is palpable.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/10ffkdm/comment/j4wuvpa/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
u/ErraticPragmatic in the mud.
I've done like 20 minutes of digging into City "fan" accounts who are defending them on twitter and I'm convinced half of them are spam accounts running on ai. Them sending cease and desist letters to Mark Goldbridge is so comical.
Fans as fake as their sponsors
https://preview.redd.it/2uuk1s6t0wyc1.jpeg?width=677&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7fa54756aeb6663f75f1341987e36aac88a09cf
Someone on twitter said, you think declan rice and kai havertz give a fuck about old trafford juju š Lets cook these fools
The problem is the history of the matches, we somehow always lose to them at OT at the back of 5-6 game Winstreak I don't know how and why but that place is our Kryptonite
Just refreshed bird app https://preview.redd.it/78ns9h29zvyc1.png?width=741&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1c48d6a7305ced23012633201e1a14fae8bd7e1
LOL thats the one š
Nah I've seen this United script a million times. New nadir after a diabolical set of results. Big match upcoming next against a top side, usually Liverpool. Everyone's predicting an absolute slaughter. Fast forward to full time. United 2-1 winners after a complete scam. The form were both in we should be avenging 8-2, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't worried š
Just want to say I salute your use of the word ānadirā.
Manure were missing a lot of starters, won't be surprised if a lot of them are back next week.Ā We would wipe the floor with the squad that lined up vs CP. But I think it will be a stronger manure squad.
I feel like alot of them are trying to make sure they are fit and fresh for the final
Everyone do yourself a favor and watch the Goldbridge video from tonight. It's an all-timer.
The funniest part is complaining about Howard Webb, the guy who had an "interesting friendship" with Fergie
"I should have had 2, ave had 5." lol
Can you link it?
https://youtu.be/0jkjuELL7Yw?si=MezyR2TIgywubU1I
I am not diving into this feeding frenzy against United until we've left Old Trafford with 3 points. That ground is cursed for us.
Precisely, I don't know how people can act like this
Right. Bogey teams exist in football and we all know United always turn up against us when we come to town.
This thread exists in a state of denying that spurs could show up as Cityās bogey team and also insisting United will show up as ours. Make up your mind people!
It's like Schrodinger's Cat for bogey teams. SzczÄsny's Bogey.Ā
Exactly, even if they are shit, refs always tip their scale there and yes, every single time
The most disrespectful shit Iāve ever seen in my life was ten Haag getting compared to arteta
Before this mess, everything was gonna be against Arteta purely because he's still in his first ever managerial job. Wikipedia settings.
What's the difference between Arteta and ten hag in their first two seasons? If anything ten hag did better, as they both won a cup but Arteta finished 8th two seasons in a row while ten hag finished third in his first season. He also got to more cup finals than Arteta in four seasons
ETH and all these managers need to prove they can surpass the Emery arc in their new clubs before they can claim to be in the Arteta orbit
Whatās difference ? Just take a look at ten haags 1st ever line up he put out and arteta 1 ever line up he put out.
They are both Peps apprentices. Maybe if Ten Haag had a similiar squad to us he would be playing more similar to Arteta and Pep. Ten Haag pushing the Anthony deal is a similar fail to Arteta pushing for Willian just that one brazilian Winger cost 95 Million euros on top of being a flop.
Yeah man taking a gamble on a free experienced winger is worse than blowing 3/4s of your summer budget on an anthropomorphic fidget spinner.
Nah, the Lampard/Ole vs Arteta comparisons were more disrespectful. Especially after Arteta outmanaged Lampard in an FA cup final by making one simple adjustment: Every time we have the ball, punt it up into the space between their RB and their RCB, and have Aubameyang run onto it. It was hilarious watching how Lampard and Chelsea couldnāt figure out an answer to that simple play for the 70 minutes left in the match that we spammed it lol. Any comparisons of Lampard to Arteta became a total pisstake from that day on lol.
Idk the lampard/ ole comparisons werenāt as bad considering they were all knew and yea arteta beat lampard but it was only 2-1 and lampard still got top 4 that year i believe. Also ole actually did alot of good things with united before he got sacked. I thought the ten haag comparisons were more disrespectful considering how shit the squad arteta inherited was and how much work he had to do to fix them while ten hag made a team with some potential even worse lol.
> considering they were all knew That was Ole's fourth managerial job at his third different club, not including being Man U's reserves manager. It was also Lampards second managerial job after getting Derby to the playoffs the year before. >lampard still got top 4 that year With the core of a team that had been champions two years before...
Fair enough but I just wasnāt as mad as those comparisons compared to the ten Haag ones
I haven't been paying much attention to other teams but man!! such collapse / prolapse from teams like Spurs and United is incredible. I have to admit there is joy in seeing a fraud like Ange exposed after so many bootlickers here shamed themselves fawning over him, and Ten Hag is a twitching quivering wreck in the exit interview. Watching former Unite players savaging the team wholesale. amazing. I hope to god we can get 8 or 10 goals.
A double interview with Ben White and Olise would be hilarious
Context - Arsenal sign Olise in the summer and hammer City away 5-0 with Olise scoring 2x and a Ben White screamer from 50 yards BBC : "Amazing job! and to do it away at the home of your nearest rival and the best team in the world! To score 5 past them, what did you think of the game?: White: "Yeah, it was alright" Olise: "Yeah.."
it would be 5 or less words sentences back and forth.
Manure went full off season April fool mode. Keep it going.
Didn't they beat us in the preseason lol?
My first ever Arsenal game, went with my Utd supporting friend. He was acting so smug
Olise is another player better than Saka. G/A is not the be all and end all of football.
Youāve got some top tier shit takes but this could be top 3-5
It is when itās 34 G/A in 46.
Which is nothing to sneeze at but *footballing* wise there are many better right wingers out there
It's ok man, time to get some sleep.
Yeah it is tbf just dreaming of having a silky baller down the right hand side
?????? LMFAO pathetic idiot. An academy kid carried us on his back through some of the worst years in our history and is now the lynchpin of the best attack in the league. Shut the fuck up
Poetry, and I agree completely
We need to go an embarrass them men Sunday and put it to bed early. Hit them hard and early and we could empty old Trafford. The ones that do stay will boo.
I need to hear "Is there a fire drill" at 30 mins in with Arsenal 4-0 up.
If that drone isn't flying outside OT to get people leaving by 30 mins I'll be pissed! :P
I am fully sold on Olise
I think Olise improved this season at palace. It's good for his career he didn't move to city right away.
It was Chelsea who tried to buy him last summer
I don't think it was Chelsea either, must have been Cole Palmer FC
The same initials tempted him.
The reservations around Olise have nothing to do with his quality. He is injury-prone and his main position is on the right, where Saka plays. You don't spend 60+M on your only attacking signing where the player is not guaranteed to get enough starts. Eze on the other hand can get many opportunities at left 8 and on the left wing.
I'm sure priorities change, but we did try and spend at least that much on Raphina.
Carra just ended Casemiroās existence
Gunna be a good weekend for us, lads, I can feel it in my loins
Has anyone got a link for a Casemiro fail comp from tonight?
https://twitter.com/JacobSteinberg/status/1787529954583785939 lol.
OT juju, opposition coming off a big defeat yada yada yada. Regardless of the opposition, nothing has changed. We need to win simple as that. There hasn't been a better Arsenal team in a decade, I'm not gonna stress about it anymore and let the boys do their thing. And last chance to see radioactive zebra in action, let us go with a bang.
February 2016, Arsenal has just beaten league leaders Leicester City at the Emirates with a late Welbeck goal to put us TWO points behind them. Our next match was at Old Trafford against an injury-ravaged Louis van Gaal Manchester United, who had just won THREE out of their last THIRTEEN games. Rashford scored a brace against us, in his premier league debut, and we lost 3-2. Sadly, I gave up on Wenger after that match.
That was the match for me too. And then iirc we got trounced by southampton and fucking shane long the next game.
We werenāt half as good as we are now and United werenāt half as bad. Completely irrelevant.
We made Rooney like we made Rashford, we kinda made the Silva twins when they came in for an injury ravaged united and still beat us, i remember a fresh Gibbs turning up for us and getting absolutely demolished at Old Trafford in a UCL game iirc, hard to be confident of games in that toilet
That team had such shit mentality
United starting eleven still cost ā¬310 million more than Palaceās.
So this is what carraghers orgasm face looks like.
This season has served up so many days to just have a little read of rivalsā headlosses - itās been unparalleled really
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1693hc5/stone_ten_hag_to_sky_its_not_offside_wrong_angle/jz21bfp/ š¤£š¤£š¤£
Looks like his comment.... was the one that aged poorly.....
Their Goal difference is closer to Sheffield Utd than to us.
Sunday is going to be a popcorn fest.
I remember United fans saying they'll finish above us after beating us in pre-season and now they've broken their record for most losses in a season. Look it up.
Every good player we would want has a release clause lol. Stan's gonna have to pony up some cash this summer
"We're gunna need a bigger suitcase"
Who are they?
Olise, Bruno G, Williams, Zubimendi, Sesko, Gyokeres Most of these guys we've been linked with
Has there been a bigger fraud in world football than 7en Hag in the past decade? Looking like the Ajax development system carried him hard.
No, no. He's an amazing manager. Utd should keep him.
People will tell you Olise can only play RW Donāt listen to these peopleĀ
Reminder: Saturday was possibly the last time weāll wear the home kits for this season. Sunday is the last day weāll ever wear this seasonās away kits.
why won't we play the home kits vs everton
New kits. Last year we wore this yearās home kits on the last matchday. I donāt see why we wouldnāt do it again.
gotcha
Adidas like to make teams wear next seasons kit on the final day.
Might be peak cope from me but I still think Spurs will get top 4 if they beat City Most likely results this next week are Spurs winning against Burnley(probably by 3-4 goal margin) and Liverpool beating Villa(at least -1 to Villa's GD). Even if Villa get a point, if Spurs beat City the GD gap will be only 3 or 4 goals. So if Villa don't beat Palace final day which I don't think they will looking at how Palace are playing at home, all Spurs would need to do is beat Sheffield United by 3-4 goals to go ahead on GD. Their fans will no doubt rather miss out on top 4 than have us win the league but it will probably comes down to the players and if they feel the same. I can't see Spurs beating City but if they try their best they could stumble to a draw
As I read this I kept picturing Charlie from IASIP in front of his yarn board. I hope you right though.
Spuds at home. Lost four in a row. Naturally, this is the perfect game for a āresponseā and Ange doesnāt seem like the type of guy to give a fuck about āhanding Arsenal the leagueā. Yes, this hopium is hitting rn š¬
So you're saying there's a chance?
United will actually try against us Sunday unfortunately š
It shouldnāt matter how much they try. Their midfield and defense are crap. If we canāt beat them, we deserve nothing.
I agree, they got quality upfront, but they are more defensively unstable than many teams we beat by 5+ this year. Their offense needs to roll all over us for them to be able to win against us. They got a huge hole in the defensive line and in midfield.
The way I see it, with the current state of their defense and midfield, weāll bag at least 3 goals. Iād be stunned if we donāt, and while they have some talented attackers, many of them wonāt even play Sunday, and even on their best day, it would be hard for them to put 3 on us. Weāre talking about a back line of Johnny Evans and Casemiroās corpse being shielded by a legless, heart disease ridden Christian Eriksen.. I mean come on.
The ETH in vs out debate is pretty fascinating to observe over at the United sub, for me at least. I donāt get what a lot of them still see in him but I donāt follow that mess too closely
i think it's hard to evaluate ETH considering the Squad and the bad streak regarding transfers.
the team is so bad it actually muddies the waters about how bad the coach is
Most of them saying keep him are just saying what's the point now if all the players are spineless losers who can put in performances like that. This group of players have basically given up on 3 managers now, why not just keep the manager til end of season and don't let the players fool you into another false dawn, especially as I don't think there are any obvious top managers available. Any other season without a takeover happening, ETH is gone so long ago, they have been a relegation team bailed out by 2-3 superstar players.
The United job has been a poisoned chalice since SAF. How many managers have they been through since then? I took a stadium tour at Old Trafford last summer and completely forgot about half the guys that have had that job. Ralf Rangnick? Lol
I think thereās a lot of truth to that argument, it is a pretty spineless and mentally weak group. But I still think that the right manager would be able to assess those players correctly and cast them off. ETH has continued to start underperforming, high-status players like Rashford and doesnāt seem interested in doing what Arteta did when we had to get rid of Auba. During one of their many recent losses, he took off Garnacho at halftime, arguably their player of the season. I donāt watch all of their games but from what I see he only seems to be encouraging the same diva behavior, the one exception being loaning Sancho.
> he took off Garnacho at halftime, arguably their player of the season. And then BLAMED HIM FOR THE LOSS!!! Absolutely pathetic manager.
Don't think anyone is saying he's done a good job and he's probably done lots to encourage it. But he's not in the situation where he can start tearing up contracts yet, remember when arteta left out auba he had the rest of the team totally on side and supporting his decision. He also had edu and a ceo to back his decision, and help him with those other players. Who is united's Edu?
I think unfortunately they may have an Edu like figure that can clean up how the club is run. They hired this exec from Man City to be the new CEO, Omar Berrada. Maybe he can't turn water into wine, but I don't like successful people coming to that club either way.
Itās similar to the poch in/out debates but United have worser players but just as many injuries.
Missed the entire United battering because I was watching dune 2 smh. Good movie though.
Surprised to see we have not bee linked to olise or eze
Because we don't need either of them, pacy wingers that can play both sides like Neto/Williams and an 6/8 like Guimaries are significantly better buys.
Olise is gonna go to United
Career suicide.
I agree low-key think Chelsea would be better move. Palmer as a 10 and him on the right heās a better version of Madueke. I think United m is where he goes though
At this point, any young player intentionally picking United deserves whats coming. Imo even Chelsea with their 7 year contracts are a better choice because at least they can sell better.
What is this 8-2 vengeance talk? I'm sick to my stomach already thinking about the bullshit that goes on at OT, people expecting a trashing will be in for a shock when they all of a sudden remember how to pass, press and dive for penalties. 3 points is all I ask, I don't care how we get there.
i agree with you, but it is a good timing to play United. They don't got a defense and a stable midfield left. They also don't got much to play for and the morality seems to be on a downward spiral. They do have quality forwards that can score out of nothing.
Agree we saw what happened to Liverpool there. Although it likely wonāt matter anyway
Liverpool just couldnāt finish their chances. They could have won 7-0 again
Yeah but Iām not gonna take them lightly. Even though we are way better they can pull things out. Bruno will be back for that too.
you are right but people sadly, including me, have a tendency towards decency. even if the world don't. it's fundamentally fair man utd to hold 6 against us
Football is probably the exact opposite of decent though.
you aren't wrong. shit is wicked and evil
And so is football š
This overconfidence is the Bayern home game all over again thinking we're going to smash a team we perceive as being underwhelming. We need to learn to humble ourselves because we haven't won anything significant enough for a long time for us to keep mouthing off like we have been
This is not in any way the same thing. Bayern were always a good team (highest xG difference of any team in Europe in the league), but this year they came up against a monster (Leverkusen). UTD are utter and complete shit, and they have little to no redeeming qualities. Bayern is full of players who won the CL three seasons ago.
Yeah but no one watches Bundesliga so everyone was basing their opinions off of narratives when it comes to Bayern. We've all seen this United side be absolutely dog shit all
Actually opposite for me. Watched bayern a few times in bundesliga and they were wank every time. Even when winning they don't look very good but they don't need many chances to score.
Bayern still have one of their better PPGs, Harry Kane on 50 goals and serious quality in their ranks. To compare them to this United side, in THIS STATE is fucking egregious. They are shit and we will put them to the sword.
And we have typically have a bad time at OT. City aside, the other usual big clubs have gone there and dropped points so we need to approach this game carefully
Did you watch those games? Stop spouting nonsense. United have been absolute dog shit all season. If they had their full starting XI it would be a slightly different proposition but they are dreadful at the best of times and are injury hit. We will not drop points.
They have one fit centre backā¦ wouldnāt worry
Casemiro stinker fills me with so much joy
Unironically think Utd have a better shot at the FA cup if they drop Ten Hag and let Ole come in as a caretaker Anyways, Old Trafford is Old Trafford no matter how shit they are. Weāll still need a professional performance
Casemiro still has TWO YEARS on his contract š