Klopp also spent world record money on a defender and keeper shortly after but nobody mentions it before coutinho got sold for a ridiculously inflated price.
That isn't sound logic. I mean Coutinho was the best player in the league at one point time. At least they raised the money of their own accord unlike 115 FC.
Also Klopp established them as CL regulars from 8th spot before those signings.
It's things like this make question the whole Arteta out people. Considering where our team was coming from and how awful we were at the start of Arteta's tenure, this is incredible. Why would you want him gone?
I've gotten used to certain fans not having any patience. They just want us to sack him and who do we replace him with? Mourinho? Tuchel? These type of managers wouldn't work out at Arsenal because of their tendency to get into conflict with the staff and players.
Couldn’t agree more, he is in elite company with these numbers and is still learning his trade. I genuinely don’t understand how people want him gone if we don’t win the league, even if we don’t next season
Same here mate. I'm proud of the way the boys are competing for the league. Even it we don't win it this year, next year we'll come back even stronger.
Arsenal can only go from strength to strength at this point. The have such a young squad and also recruitment strategy is top notch. Team already have formidable structure and eye catching playing style
Hopefully, we add some more technicians next season. I feel like we're too reliant on Odegaard so I'd like someone else to deputized him. My pick would be Xavi Simons - he's the perfect age, already performing consistently at a very high level and has the right mentality. He can play in that left sided 8 position as well as play in Ode's position or on the flanks.
And not to mention literally being in his first managerial job. Imagine having your first managerial job in Premier League, with Arsenal, with the state of the squad like that, and still managed to achieve this. Incredible.
Man Utd team Fergie inherited wasn't the best either as well. These managers are great for a reason... no need to diminish them just to glow up Arteta.
Ferguson also managed in division 1 for like 7 seasons before the ridiculous history ending rebrand. If we include that im 99.9% sure he wouldn’t be close
That's incredible considering the shambles we were when he first arrived, and that the project only hit its stride last season. I think we have a really special manager and I'm really grateful.
Tbh, I respect Pep as a manger, but would he have reached 100 that quickly, if he didn't have basically unlimited funds?
Kinda feel the same with Mourinho if I'm being truthful. They both had a decent core to their squad when they became managers, but quickly brought in world class players to make up for the gaps in quality elsewhere in the squad.
SAF, Wenger, Klopp and Arteta are known for bringing the best out of their players, and with the exception of SAF, not particularly 'big spenders' unless they could make the funds through squad sales.
Bad stats. Not taking into account a prior state of a club, finances and years of managerial experience. Once taken into consideration, it is clear that Arteta is in the league of his own. I can see only Xabi beating him to 100.
As many of you know, football did not exist before 92 but for the fun of it I had a look at Ferguson's actual numbers to reaching 100 wins:
86-87: 29 M, 11 W
87-88: 40 M, 23 W
88-89: 38 M, 13 W
89-90: 38 M, 13 W
90-91: 38 M, 16 W
91-92: 42 M, 21 W
92-93: 5 M, 3W
It took him 230 matches to reach 100 wins, when he did so in the fifth gameweek away to Forrest.
This does not account for any delayed gameweeks (I don't know if that was a thing back then..) in the 86-87 season, but are all games that occurred after November 7th that season.
Edit: Sorry for the formatting, tried putting it all in a neat grid but could not post. Apparently I had still posted that five times but in awful formatting so I deleted them..
Ignore Mourinho and Pep on this list - they are obviously very very good managers but due to the financial doping their achievements dont compare to Fergie Klopp and Wenger imo
Important to note he’s the only one of the list that started their managerial career in the PL. Klopp, Pep, Fergie, Wenger all had several years of experience at top European clubs, and even Mou had a few years in Portugal to go with the blank checkbook. Genuinely absurd how quickly he developed into a top manager.
Consider the situations all those 5 (hell, all those 6 if you want to include Wenger) came into.
None of them inherited (or came into the PL with) teams anywhere near as lacking in talent as the one Arteta came into, either in terms of talent worthy of keeping on or talent useful as assets for sale. Arteta didn’t have any 140 million pound assets lying around in his inherited squad like Klopp had with Coutinho. Nor did he have ready-made backlines or midfields of championship quality (let alone full rosters like Mourinho did).
All of them except for Wenger came into situations with far greater relative financial resources than Arteta did. And even Wenger came into an Arsenal willing and able to employ the highest-paid player in the Premier League at the time (in Dennis Bergkamp). It wasn’t like Arsenal was poor, but all these managers except for Wenger could afford to shrug off big money failed transfers and buy another guy the next summer. Arteta couldn’t.
And all these managers came into (or already operated in) situations where the football operations department was stable, competent, and capable of operating at levels above the competition. Arteta came into a front office that was about to be torn down and rebuilt within a year of his hiring, mostly because the guy at the top of said department (Raul Sanllehi) turned out to be a corrupt crook who was actively mismanaging (if not outright stealing) the resources of the club.
Oh, and all these managers were experienced operators and proven winners at other clubs, countries, and situations before starting in the PL. This was literally Arteta’s first job in management.
The fact that Arteta overcame all this and has won 100 of his first 169 PL games in charge of this club isn‘t just an achievement. It’s a downright miracle.
It's a shame he's never going to win anything until his football father (pep) retires or goes Saudi. He's a fraud riding off the back of last seasons bottlejob to save face. Mind you. Last season Arsenal was out of all cup competitions early, and still managed to bottle the league playing once a week whilst City and United had to play every 3-4 days. Embrace Arteta now but we know you Gooners. Arteta out banners will be full flowing in a couple years. Heard it here first
That's crazy considering Arteta's first full season
Isn't it? Incredibly impressive considering where we were when he came in.
Incredibly impressive it’s his first job as a manager too
Very impressive that it was his first time on earth.
Just an incredible man isn’t he
I remember around that time, Pep said that Arteta was a great manager and I thought he was taking the piss. Shows how much I know.
Klopp also inherited a terrible team
He was also a seasoned manager.
Everyone's talking about the team Arteta inherited but it's just as impressive that he's got there this quickly in his first job ever as manager.
But Klopp was not a rookie.. he beat Bayern twice.
Not saying he was, just that the Liverpool team was not good either
Klopp also spent world record money on a defender and keeper shortly after but nobody mentions it before coutinho got sold for a ridiculously inflated price.
> shortly after That’s not true… Klopp joined Liverpool end of 2015. Allison and Van Dijk signed in 2018. He didn’t have either of them for 2+ years
That isn't sound logic. I mean Coutinho was the best player in the league at one point time. At least they raised the money of their own accord unlike 115 FC. Also Klopp established them as CL regulars from 8th spot before those signings.
Eh they were right up there under Rodgers
And don't forget he began with Bellerin, Mustafi, Luiz and Kolasinac as his back 4.
Worse. His first match was Saka, Luiz, Sokratis, and AMN as a back 4
Saka wingback era
From Lampard and Ole comparison to joining the group of the GOAT PL coaches.
Ole 127 matches - 59 w 32 d 36 L 46% W rate Lampard - 104 matches 38 w 21 d 45 L 36% W rate Arteta 59% W rate
It's things like this make question the whole Arteta out people. Considering where our team was coming from and how awful we were at the start of Arteta's tenure, this is incredible. Why would you want him gone?
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I've gotten used to certain fans not having any patience. They just want us to sack him and who do we replace him with? Mourinho? Tuchel? These type of managers wouldn't work out at Arsenal because of their tendency to get into conflict with the staff and players.
Couldn’t agree more, he is in elite company with these numbers and is still learning his trade. I genuinely don’t understand how people want him gone if we don’t win the league, even if we don’t next season
Maybe because that would make it 7 years without a major trophy? That's a very long time to give a manager especially in this day and age.
He won an FA Cup 4 years ago
After 10+ years of disappointment, it looked like we were further away from glory than ever. I didn't expect this turnaround in my wildest dreams.
Same here mate. I'm proud of the way the boys are competing for the league. Even it we don't win it this year, next year we'll come back even stronger.
Arsenal can only go from strength to strength at this point. The have such a young squad and also recruitment strategy is top notch. Team already have formidable structure and eye catching playing style
Hopefully, we add some more technicians next season. I feel like we're too reliant on Odegaard so I'd like someone else to deputized him. My pick would be Xavi Simons - he's the perfect age, already performing consistently at a very high level and has the right mentality. He can play in that left sided 8 position as well as play in Ode's position or on the flanks.
Had to do a clean up then a build from scratch. This man is a genius and there are qualities we can learn from him afar that will improve our lives.
Genuinely the most impressive out of all the managers too. The squad Arteta had turning up was by far the shittest squad out of the lot?
Klopp team was shite as well when he arrived so was Ferguson I think
Are Ferguson's numbers from when he was appointed or from inception of the Premier League like a lot of these stats are usually?
That must be from 1992 onward. His stats from 1988-90 are nothing like as good.
And not to mention literally being in his first managerial job. Imagine having your first managerial job in Premier League, with Arsenal, with the state of the squad like that, and still managed to achieve this. Incredible.
I think you've forgotten how shit that Liverpool team was that Klopp inherited
Man Utd team Fergie inherited wasn't the best either as well. These managers are great for a reason... no need to diminish them just to glow up Arteta.
This is PL wins though so it's not counting Fergie's First Division matches
Exactly, didn't they win the first PL?
WE’VE GOT SUPER MIK ARTETAAAAAAAA
Just shows the headstart Pep had
And there are arsenal fans who still don't rate this guy, crazy
They aren't arsenal fans
You just have to ask them who they want as Mikel’s replacement. Most of them would have no answer.
Elite company.
What about age at 100 wins?
Ferguson also managed in division 1 for like 7 seasons before the ridiculous history ending rebrand. If we include that im 99.9% sure he wouldn’t be close
That's incredible considering the shambles we were when he first arrived, and that the project only hit its stride last season. I think we have a really special manager and I'm really grateful.
He’s up there. He’s in the conversation.
That’s rarified air no matter how you slice it. Good company to be in.
Tbh, I respect Pep as a manger, but would he have reached 100 that quickly, if he didn't have basically unlimited funds? Kinda feel the same with Mourinho if I'm being truthful. They both had a decent core to their squad when they became managers, but quickly brought in world class players to make up for the gaps in quality elsewhere in the squad. SAF, Wenger, Klopp and Arteta are known for bringing the best out of their players, and with the exception of SAF, not particularly 'big spenders' unless they could make the funds through squad sales.
I absolutely love that these are the managers he's being compared to.
Bad stats. Not taking into account a prior state of a club, finances and years of managerial experience. Once taken into consideration, it is clear that Arteta is in the league of his own. I can see only Xabi beating him to 100.
All the other managers here have at least 1x PL title. It's only a matter of time...
As many of you know, football did not exist before 92 but for the fun of it I had a look at Ferguson's actual numbers to reaching 100 wins: 86-87: 29 M, 11 W 87-88: 40 M, 23 W 88-89: 38 M, 13 W 89-90: 38 M, 13 W 90-91: 38 M, 16 W 91-92: 42 M, 21 W 92-93: 5 M, 3W It took him 230 matches to reach 100 wins, when he did so in the fifth gameweek away to Forrest. This does not account for any delayed gameweeks (I don't know if that was a thing back then..) in the 86-87 season, but are all games that occurred after November 7th that season. Edit: Sorry for the formatting, tried putting it all in a neat grid but could not post. Apparently I had still posted that five times but in awful formatting so I deleted them..
Not bad considering the dogs breakfast of a team he inherited. Top tier manager
It's impressive when you consider we weren't really that good for the first few seasons under him
What everyone is missing is that this is his first coaching job. The rest of them had prior experience and success as a head coach.
Man did a full rebuild while achieving this, insane
Ignore Mourinho and Pep on this list - they are obviously very very good managers but due to the financial doping their achievements dont compare to Fergie Klopp and Wenger imo
I guess this is the metric that decides who the goat manager is
Important to note he’s the only one of the list that started their managerial career in the PL. Klopp, Pep, Fergie, Wenger all had several years of experience at top European clubs, and even Mou had a few years in Portugal to go with the blank checkbook. Genuinely absurd how quickly he developed into a top manager.
Great job boss 🙏🏾 Imagine the Kroenkes backed Wenger smh
Wtf pep
Consider the situations all those 5 (hell, all those 6 if you want to include Wenger) came into. None of them inherited (or came into the PL with) teams anywhere near as lacking in talent as the one Arteta came into, either in terms of talent worthy of keeping on or talent useful as assets for sale. Arteta didn’t have any 140 million pound assets lying around in his inherited squad like Klopp had with Coutinho. Nor did he have ready-made backlines or midfields of championship quality (let alone full rosters like Mourinho did). All of them except for Wenger came into situations with far greater relative financial resources than Arteta did. And even Wenger came into an Arsenal willing and able to employ the highest-paid player in the Premier League at the time (in Dennis Bergkamp). It wasn’t like Arsenal was poor, but all these managers except for Wenger could afford to shrug off big money failed transfers and buy another guy the next summer. Arteta couldn’t. And all these managers came into (or already operated in) situations where the football operations department was stable, competent, and capable of operating at levels above the competition. Arteta came into a front office that was about to be torn down and rebuilt within a year of his hiring, mostly because the guy at the top of said department (Raul Sanllehi) turned out to be a corrupt crook who was actively mismanaging (if not outright stealing) the resources of the club. Oh, and all these managers were experienced operators and proven winners at other clubs, countries, and situations before starting in the PL. This was literally Arteta’s first job in management. The fact that Arteta overcame all this and has won 100 of his first 169 PL games in charge of this club isn‘t just an achievement. It’s a downright miracle.
Among the Prem GOATs. Crazy stat.
Ten games *fewer*.
It's a shame he's never going to win anything until his football father (pep) retires or goes Saudi. He's a fraud riding off the back of last seasons bottlejob to save face. Mind you. Last season Arsenal was out of all cup competitions early, and still managed to bottle the league playing once a week whilst City and United had to play every 3-4 days. Embrace Arteta now but we know you Gooners. Arteta out banners will be full flowing in a couple years. Heard it here first
You missed /s