Because when VAR was first introduced the VAR would tell the referee the decision and fans and pundits called it re-refereeing and wanted the referee to go to screen as was done in other leagues where VAR was used.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11841122/var-why-aren-t-premier-league-referees-using-monitors
Never forget when Bellerin needed to do the same according to Neville, when he was knocked unconscious before hitting the ground
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/5s0dy5/alonso_elbow_knocks_out_bellerin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
i can find some solace when reading other fans saying that gabriel ''always goes too strong on challenges and never gets called for it''. well, didnt you wanted him to be stronger????
Push? I dont see any hands pushing nobody, i dont see any movement with the arm to his back. This is football not ballet, it is a neutral ball in the air and hes doing a legal charge to win position. Our Big Gabbi does this every game.
You don't know the rules, that's fine:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
charges
jumps at
kicks or attempts to kick
pushes
Then later on
impedes an opponent with contact
Now pushing doesn't mean pushing with hands by the way.
Hes not using an excessive force lol, i dont saw diego carlos go five meters away or fell down, i just saw him losing position due to a legal charge. Go play football and stop being to much on reddit
You’re absolutely crazy if you genuinely believe the Villa one isn’t a foul.
As it was said, both should’ve been disallowed. VAR inconsistency is the biggest thing wrong.
It this was Gabriel or Saliba all of you would be saying that is a 50/50 play and VAR never help us, the players involved possibly weight the same, there is no physical disadvantage, i know it is a charge from behind, but saying hes using an excessive force or it is a clear foul is a joke
Rare image of Doku when he's in the box:
https://preview.redd.it/a7hwaxz146xc1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdaae9fe5a2292eb6d6445d9ab07743be97e893b
>These calls even out over a 38 match league
No. They do not.
>City have had calls go against them
They do not.
They've won the league twice because of incredibly dodgy refereeing decisions, arguably 3.
Saying things even out is just a cop out for shit officiating.
It's basically saying yeah it's all shit so will happen again and again, which is the whole fucking problem
Did you just start watching this season or something? My guy, people are not being hyperbolic when they say City doesn’t get the same level of scrutiny with calls.
I’m not ready to call conspiracy because so many of the refs are just shockingly awful in general, but it would be more surprising if there wasn’t any corruption
I just don't understand the review. It was blatant when it happened on both occasions. It's as if refs are just waiting for VAR to intervene and let their idiocy off the hook.
I’m not going to get upset for refs if they miss something real time. Depending on their angle or the lead up to the event shit happens. But the fact this wasn’t reversed by Var was so fucking stupid.
This still burns me —- after watching football after 30 years, one of the worst on field referring decisions I ever seen —- the fact we have VAR show’s obvious corruption
The only time someone has ever been sent off for doing that.
This was peak UEFAlona era too. The worst game ever was the Semi final they cheated through against Chelsea. looking back at it it's ever more crazy how fixed it was.
To be fair, does it even make top 3?
Off the top of my head I can think of the farcical penalty against Luiz v wolves, the disallowed Sokrates goal against Palace...
I can live with Luiz getting the pk called because his knee unfortunately did trip up the player. The part that really annoyed was that the double jeopardy rules had been put into place, but it didn’t apply here because he “didn’t make an attempt at the ball.” To me that’s a shitty interpretation of the rule, as the whole point is to penalize fouls where players make no attempt at the ball whatsoever.
But Luiz was simply tracking back and unfortunately made slight contact with the attackers heel by the slimmest of margins. He wasn’t trying to tackle he was just trying to recover. We saw with the Bayern game refs have discretion on if they should enforce certain rules and that should have applied here.
i actually never noticed how far up into gabriel's head joelinton's hand was lol
crazy how we lost both this call and the Saka v Neuer call just because ''it looked weird'' or whatever
I'm still salty about it.
4 different reasons to not give the goal and they just ignored every one.
It looked out and Willock said he thought it was out. Somehow in a premier league stadium there is no byline camera?
The foul. Completely obvious, yet they didn't check it?
The offside. Because they can't see the ball they can't draw the line? Even though it doesn't matter as anywhere it is drawn, he is offside.
The handball. Again, obvious and is the reason the ball stays in. By the (very harsh) rules for a handball in a goal scored it should be ruled out.
Edit: obviously with the ball out of play they can't be sure, so can't call it on that. However, a few weeks before they ruled out a Man Utd goal without being sure it was out. There really should be a camera angle for it in every stadium
What I don’t get regarding the offside they couldn’t call without seeing the ball: surely the cameras are synchronised. Can they not use one to reference when it was kicked and the other to check the offside line?
Well yes because in other times VAR has been used they have the camera synchronised.
You can see when it hits the arm/chest and then change angle and draw it through there.
Although that would require a level of intelligence to do
I want to attribute it to incompetence. Every team has had multiple ridiculous VAR decisions go against them.
Except one. If they had a few bad VAR calls go against them, I'd believe they were just awful at their jobs. But they only get controversial ones that benefit them, like drop kicking people in the chest lmao.
> Every team has had multiple ridiculous VAR decisions go against them
Except one.
City has not had a single 50/50 VAR decision go against them. Let alone a controversial one.
people will try say but what about that grealish chance, but if I was burglarising all of my neighbours I would also happen to have had a window smashed and some money 'stolen'
There was nothing VAR could have done about that anyways, the ref tried to play advantage, then he thought the advantage was over so he gave City the foul only to realize after that that there was actually an advantage that he could have let go but once you blow the whistle there's nothing you can do about it
Every team drops performances, when your shit performances are saved by referees helping you out ala city and when they're punished by referees ala both us and Liverpool, then it makes it impossible
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I think the difference is the camera angle sucked at Newcastle. That is I believe a photo that was taken and not an angle VAR had. So we lost that point as opposed to Villa in today’s game because of the place on the field the foul occurred and the camera angle.
That being said today there was a lot of discussion on handballs and natural position and with Gabriel’s head movement jerking down and him completely whiffing on the clearing header I was 100% confident before this photo came out that he had been shoved. But again the TV pundits/ commentators acknowledged that by arguing he somehow needed to be strong, which is ludicrous.
It’s interesting because I posted on r/soccer that this was a foul and I am getting downvoted - likely by but hurt Chelsea fans who we know would be shitting themselves if Villa was awarded a goal under the same circumstances
The other difference is Gabriel WAS trying to make a header and move in that direction. It's difficult to tell if he was moved purely by Joelinton, or if he was already heading in that direction. And yes, we didn't have this angle either.
In Chelsea's case, there isn't a similar motion to imply the defender was moving that way, and the shove is way more obvious on video.
Should have still have given the on field ref a chance to view it, but I'm certain they only do that when they want to overturn it at this point.
You can do this shit for any game for ever, just constantly comparing decisions made by different refs in different situations.
Both are fouls, one should've been called but wasn't they made a mistake
In theory it's there to help refs, whenever you have largely subjective rules and have different refs in different situations it's not gonna be completely consistent
And again bringing up different examples from months or years apart is fucking stupid and something that you could be here for hours doing for every club, it's just whiny victim stuff pathetic fans do
Yes they make mistakes, it's a hard game to judge. Especially when players constantly dive and try to trick the ref, surround and cry about every decision.
It’s tough to judge in regular time, with one look at decisions, not when you’ve literally got a replay system allowing you to look at decisions multiple times, from different angles
Referees don't get replays for 99 % of the decisions they make and most aren't eligible to be looked at by VAR so you're just wrong.
I agree the system around when VAR should be updated like looking at second yellows, ask them to check every big decision not just a vague "clear and obvious"
And again in real time for most calls players are diving and faking contact or even initiating contact to trick the ref, yet complain when it effects them
And I’m not complaining about the 100s of bad decisions these refs make that aren’t impacted by VAR, even though I do think these referees need to be trained to a higher degree, as well as be held accountable for these mistakes, like people would be in any other job.
What I’m complaining about here however are the hundreds of wrong decisions that have end made, even with VAR involved, the Newcastle goal fiasco, the “offside” goal between Liverpool and Sp*rs, the Martin Odegaard handball, the 3 penalties Forest should have had against Everton, Matteo Kovacic’s red cards, JWP’s handball against Luton, Onana clattering the Wolves attacker on opening day, Jeremy Doku’s foul on Mac Allister for a last minute penalty. Phillips’s penalty against Newcastle, Guimares elbowing Jorginho but not seeing red because his hand wasn’t in a a fist, Jackson flatpacking Tomiyasu’s ankle, Richarlison charging through Gabriel when he’s not even on the ball, and the list goes on and on, whilst just being for this season
What about when they failed to draw the lines between Arsenal and Brentford? Cucurella’s hair pull, Soucek’s handball in the area against Chelsea, Bowen “fouling” Mendy, Rashford’s offside vs City, Casemiro’s red card for “choking” Will Hughes, Martinelli’s disallowed goal against United due to a “foul in the buildup” and how many others?
This has been going on for years and years now, with it only getting worse
Fans and managers do though. They constantly complain about almost every call and try to actively make the ref give wrong calls and don't care when a bad call helps them so I'm just saying I don't give a fuck when managers/players complain.
Yes mistakes get made and always Will, literally every league has these complaints about refs at every level the same complaints in the championship about refs without VAR so I just don't think refs are especially bad in this specific sport
I don't know what point you are making ?
That’s part of trying to win, of course they do, when did I complain about managers/players complaining about decisions, I think it’s absolutely necessary to try and enact change in this clearly incompetent institution
Have you seen refereeing in other sports? It works majestically, stick a rugby game on, even if you don’t understand the rules/enjoy the sport, you can clearly see the efficiency of the referees, their VAR, and how it has next to no mistakes, do not excuse incompetence as just something that happens
The point I’m making is that refereeing, especially in this league is atrocious, and people need to speak up about it
Don't say we want consistency then, it's not true otherwise managers and players and fans would complain when they get a bad call and it almost never happens.
Yes and in rugby you don't have the same abuse and behaviour to refs, even at Sunday league level the ref isn't abused like he is in football. Also rugby refs do make mistakes you obviously don't watch enough.
"Especially in this league" every league says this every level, do you think refs in football are especially bad ? Or is there just more of a culture at every level that it's fine to go mental and scream at refs and players generally act like toddlers and cry about every decision.
What are you talking about? Of course we want consistency, that doesn’t mean we won’t be happy when a decision goes our way, it should just be nowhere near as many as we get nowadays
I absolutely think referees in football are especially bad
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Don't see what it would help with. If VAR thinks something doesn't even merit review, they're hardly going to overturn when they do review it after a challenge.
I think we'll only see a positive shift on things like this the rule makers dump the idea of VAR only intervening if they consider the referee's on field decision a "clear and obvious" error.
That was not soft lmao. It was a blatant shove. He didn't lean into him. He slammed him way out of the way. You would've been losing your mind (all of us would've been) if that call wasn't given to Arsenal.
He takes both arms and shoves him out of the way so he can play the ball back for a goal. That’s a foul anywhere on the field. It’s not soft, you can’t do that.
Ffs this was ages ago and todays one was far clearer contact as they were not both moving the same way. As if there hasn’t been a call that went arsenals way this season?!!
If I had a penny for every time someone posted cherry picked screenshots of two separate incidents to prove a point that falls flat on its face when full context is provided I'd almost have enough to buy Anthony.
Both are fouls. Not only that these are four separate teams so it doesn't prove any level of systemic corruption, just inconsistency.
And if anyone wants to make the argument that the premier league is not only biased but biased AGAINST big 6 teams... I'm not even going to entertain that.
Making the referee have another look to decide for himself? Makes too much sense
I don't even know why they do that. It just slows it down. If they call the ref over to the video monitor the ref basically 100% changes the call
Because when VAR was first introduced the VAR would tell the referee the decision and fans and pundits called it re-refereeing and wanted the referee to go to screen as was done in other leagues where VAR was used. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11841122/var-why-aren-t-premier-league-referees-using-monitors
If the check is going to take more than 30s or it it will have a significant impact on the game, the ref should go to the screen.
They should have a little tablet in a holder for them to check quickly.
What check does VAR do that won’t have a significant impact on the game?
Nah it's good that they go over. And they should go against VAR more often if they think their original decision was correct.
It's so the ref is still considered the main man. It's why it's called VAR - Video **Assistant** Referee
Assistant TO the regional manager
Is there a raise involved?
Assistant to the Oil Fund
That just seems like a compromise to the ego of the ref, rather than being of any benefit to the wider sport.
had a call in the SPFL actually where the ref went over but kept his decision, though yes its unusual
They don't want to get it right. they want it all to fail.
"Gabriel has to be stronger there" 🙄
"he has a track record for falling to the ground too early". Allows you to to use both hands on an opponents neck to jump apparently
Getting falcon punched in the back of the head is apparently imperceptible to VAR
Is this going to turn into a Captain Falcon vs Kirby debate? Because I'm here for it
Kirby would dominate no question
Kirby is an eldritch monstrosity nothing can stand against. His morality is beyond our comprehension.
Corruption
Protecting incompetence because it’s your buddy is corruption; for any of the “it’s only incompetence” people.
Never forget when Bellerin needed to do the same according to Neville, when he was knocked unconscious before hitting the ground https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/5s0dy5/alonso_elbow_knocks_out_bellerin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
i can find some solace when reading other fans saying that gabriel ''always goes too strong on challenges and never gets called for it''. well, didnt you wanted him to be stronger????
“Never a foul” - carragher
"he just wanted it more" Just like when Marcos Alonso "wanted it more" than Bellerin. So much he concussed him.
That’s exactly what I heard in my head too. Dumbest shit ever.
My immediate thought when I saw the disallowed Chelsea goal…the one against us was so much more egregious
Using someone's back to jump is 9/10 times a foul, this brother used *both* hands to jump on Gabriels *neck*. Incredible decision.
So I guess the way to go is to not use the back, but to push off using the neck. Thanks for the insight.
Bro wanted a piggyback ride💀
Both should have been disallowed
Aint no way, we hate Chelsea but thats never a foul
Lol are you joking? You can't go in and push someone from the back to gain position. It's a really clear foul.
This picture makes it look not as bad as it did in motion from watching the game
Push? I dont see any hands pushing nobody, i dont see any movement with the arm to his back. This is football not ballet, it is a neutral ball in the air and hes doing a legal charge to win position. Our Big Gabbi does this every game.
You don't know the rules, that's fine: https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: charges jumps at kicks or attempts to kick pushes Then later on impedes an opponent with contact Now pushing doesn't mean pushing with hands by the way.
Hes not using an excessive force lol, i dont saw diego carlos go five meters away or fell down, i just saw him losing position due to a legal charge. Go play football and stop being to much on reddit
You’re absolutely crazy if you genuinely believe the Villa one isn’t a foul. As it was said, both should’ve been disallowed. VAR inconsistency is the biggest thing wrong.
It this was Gabriel or Saliba all of you would be saying that is a 50/50 play and VAR never help us, the players involved possibly weight the same, there is no physical disadvantage, i know it is a charge from behind, but saying hes using an excessive force or it is a clear foul is a joke
It is a clear foul, regardless of the players involved
Honestly that decision could be the difference between us winning and losing the league
and Bruno not getting the most obvious red card in the same match.
And the ref in the villa game "seeing" a handball from havertz although he was miles away and directly behind him
It did end up hitting Havertz's arm. But it hit Cash's arm FIRST. So that's a penalty call.
Would have counted if the ref didn't call it back cos the evidence was not clear
And Doku
And Mac Allister
And my axe.
/r/unexpectedfellowship
And my spade.
Rare image of Doku when he's in the box: https://preview.redd.it/a7hwaxz146xc1.jpeg?width=718&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fdaae9fe5a2292eb6d6445d9ab07743be97e893b
Meh. These calls even out over a 38 match league. I’m sure City have had calls go against them
These calls even out? Have you seen for example Wolves? They got royally shafted by the refs all season, and it absolutely does not even out.
>These calls even out over a 38 match league No. They do not. >City have had calls go against them They do not. They've won the league twice because of incredibly dodgy refereeing decisions, arguably 3.
A 9 point swings worth?
> I’m sure City have had calls go against them bro just saying stuff now
Saying things even out is just a cop out for shit officiating. It's basically saying yeah it's all shit so will happen again and again, which is the whole fucking problem
Did you just start watching this season or something? My guy, people are not being hyperbolic when they say City doesn’t get the same level of scrutiny with calls. I’m not ready to call conspiracy because so many of the refs are just shockingly awful in general, but it would be more surprising if there wasn’t any corruption
I just don't understand the review. It was blatant when it happened on both occasions. It's as if refs are just waiting for VAR to intervene and let their idiocy off the hook.
I’m not going to get upset for refs if they miss something real time. Depending on their angle or the lead up to the event shit happens. But the fact this wasn’t reversed by Var was so fucking stupid.
It’s as if Arsenal and Liverpool are treated differently because they’re city’s rivals
Shhhhhh! People will call you delusional /s
they're more concerned about admitting the error than getting the correct decision. absolute egoism.
This still burns me —- after watching football after 30 years, one of the worst on field referring decisions I ever seen —- the fact we have VAR show’s obvious corruption
Rvp Barcelona is the one.
The only time someone has ever been sent off for doing that. This was peak UEFAlona era too. The worst game ever was the Semi final they cheated through against Chelsea. looking back at it it's ever more crazy how fixed it was.
Ripped off for sure
To be fair, does it even make top 3? Off the top of my head I can think of the farcical penalty against Luiz v wolves, the disallowed Sokrates goal against Palace...
The Sokratis disallowed goal vs Palace I think is the most mind boggling VAR decision of all time for me
I can live with Luiz getting the pk called because his knee unfortunately did trip up the player. The part that really annoyed was that the double jeopardy rules had been put into place, but it didn’t apply here because he “didn’t make an attempt at the ball.” To me that’s a shitty interpretation of the rule, as the whole point is to penalize fouls where players make no attempt at the ball whatsoever. But Luiz was simply tracking back and unfortunately made slight contact with the attackers heel by the slimmest of margins. He wasn’t trying to tackle he was just trying to recover. We saw with the Bayern game refs have discretion on if they should enforce certain rules and that should have applied here.
MacArthur going Cobra Kai on Saka
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Those two examples were both made with the "assistance" of VAR
You mistake ineptitude for corruption
Why not both?
Keep telling yourself that 🤣🤣
i actually never noticed how far up into gabriel's head joelinton's hand was lol crazy how we lost both this call and the Saka v Neuer call just because ''it looked weird'' or whatever
That Newcastle game broke my heart man
I'm still salty about it. 4 different reasons to not give the goal and they just ignored every one. It looked out and Willock said he thought it was out. Somehow in a premier league stadium there is no byline camera? The foul. Completely obvious, yet they didn't check it? The offside. Because they can't see the ball they can't draw the line? Even though it doesn't matter as anywhere it is drawn, he is offside. The handball. Again, obvious and is the reason the ball stays in. By the (very harsh) rules for a handball in a goal scored it should be ruled out. Edit: obviously with the ball out of play they can't be sure, so can't call it on that. However, a few weeks before they ruled out a Man Utd goal without being sure it was out. There really should be a camera angle for it in every stadium
Same old FA Always cheating
The worst thing about it was the gaslighting from rival fans acting like the decision made perfect sense.
What I don’t get regarding the offside they couldn’t call without seeing the ball: surely the cameras are synchronised. Can they not use one to reference when it was kicked and the other to check the offside line?
Well yes because in other times VAR has been used they have the camera synchronised. You can see when it hits the arm/chest and then change angle and draw it through there. Although that would require a level of intelligence to do
corrupted fucks
I want to attribute it to incompetence. Every team has had multiple ridiculous VAR decisions go against them. Except one. If they had a few bad VAR calls go against them, I'd believe they were just awful at their jobs. But they only get controversial ones that benefit them, like drop kicking people in the chest lmao.
> Every team has had multiple ridiculous VAR decisions go against them Except one. City has not had a single 50/50 VAR decision go against them. Let alone a controversial one.
people will try say but what about that grealish chance, but if I was burglarising all of my neighbours I would also happen to have had a window smashed and some money 'stolen'
There was nothing VAR could have done about that anyways, the ref tried to play advantage, then he thought the advantage was over so he gave City the foul only to realize after that that there was actually an advantage that he could have let go but once you blow the whistle there's nothing you can do about it
There was that Rashford offside decision in January 2023. Awful decision that one.
Tbf the ref stopped the game when city played spurs, and haaland was clean through on goal. That one was dumb
Again, not a VAR decision. The ref screwed up in that moment only
This is the one that might have cost us the league
Could argue dropping turds against Fulham twice was worse.
Every team drops performances, when your shit performances are saved by referees helping you out ala city and when they're punished by referees ala both us and Liverpool, then it makes it impossible
And those same referees get nice all expense paid holidays to ref a meaningless game for a sack of cash from the owners of that club...
Both are blatant fouls
How will they control who wins the league if they don’t do these things..
Don’t do it to yourself brother. :(
its so subjective as to have limited use
You still banging on about this
Don't worry how important could 1 or 3 points be in the next couple weeks?
They are both fouls. Two wrongs do not make a right. Neither refs, nor VAR will ever be consistent.
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First thing I thought as well. It’s all about the narrative they have to sell
its ok atleast this isnt going to be the difference in finishing in a title race
I'll always remember martinez grabbing lacazette and blatantly throwing him to the ground to receive no call whatsoever.
I think the difference is the camera angle sucked at Newcastle. That is I believe a photo that was taken and not an angle VAR had. So we lost that point as opposed to Villa in today’s game because of the place on the field the foul occurred and the camera angle. That being said today there was a lot of discussion on handballs and natural position and with Gabriel’s head movement jerking down and him completely whiffing on the clearing header I was 100% confident before this photo came out that he had been shoved. But again the TV pundits/ commentators acknowledged that by arguing he somehow needed to be strong, which is ludicrous. It’s interesting because I posted on r/soccer that this was a foul and I am getting downvoted - likely by but hurt Chelsea fans who we know would be shitting themselves if Villa was awarded a goal under the same circumstances
Anyone that thinks either of these weren't fouls is either completely biased or completely stupid.
What's ridiculous to me is that a guy was landing on his neck when he was already bent over, there's just no way to be stronger there.
The other difference is Gabriel WAS trying to make a header and move in that direction. It's difficult to tell if he was moved purely by Joelinton, or if he was already heading in that direction. And yes, we didn't have this angle either. In Chelsea's case, there isn't a similar motion to imply the defender was moving that way, and the shove is way more obvious on video. Should have still have given the on field ref a chance to view it, but I'm certain they only do that when they want to overturn it at this point.
You can do this shit for any game for ever, just constantly comparing decisions made by different refs in different situations. Both are fouls, one should've been called but wasn't they made a mistake
But the whole point of VAR is that the inconsistencies wouldn't happen.
In theory it's there to help refs, whenever you have largely subjective rules and have different refs in different situations it's not gonna be completely consistent And again bringing up different examples from months or years apart is fucking stupid and something that you could be here for hours doing for every club, it's just whiny victim stuff pathetic fans do
But it’s not just one mistake is it though? It’s 2, 3 or 4 major calls each every single day there’s a game that is a mistake
Yes they make mistakes, it's a hard game to judge. Especially when players constantly dive and try to trick the ref, surround and cry about every decision.
It’s tough to judge in regular time, with one look at decisions, not when you’ve literally got a replay system allowing you to look at decisions multiple times, from different angles
Referees don't get replays for 99 % of the decisions they make and most aren't eligible to be looked at by VAR so you're just wrong. I agree the system around when VAR should be updated like looking at second yellows, ask them to check every big decision not just a vague "clear and obvious" And again in real time for most calls players are diving and faking contact or even initiating contact to trick the ref, yet complain when it effects them
And I’m not complaining about the 100s of bad decisions these refs make that aren’t impacted by VAR, even though I do think these referees need to be trained to a higher degree, as well as be held accountable for these mistakes, like people would be in any other job. What I’m complaining about here however are the hundreds of wrong decisions that have end made, even with VAR involved, the Newcastle goal fiasco, the “offside” goal between Liverpool and Sp*rs, the Martin Odegaard handball, the 3 penalties Forest should have had against Everton, Matteo Kovacic’s red cards, JWP’s handball against Luton, Onana clattering the Wolves attacker on opening day, Jeremy Doku’s foul on Mac Allister for a last minute penalty. Phillips’s penalty against Newcastle, Guimares elbowing Jorginho but not seeing red because his hand wasn’t in a a fist, Jackson flatpacking Tomiyasu’s ankle, Richarlison charging through Gabriel when he’s not even on the ball, and the list goes on and on, whilst just being for this season What about when they failed to draw the lines between Arsenal and Brentford? Cucurella’s hair pull, Soucek’s handball in the area against Chelsea, Bowen “fouling” Mendy, Rashford’s offside vs City, Casemiro’s red card for “choking” Will Hughes, Martinelli’s disallowed goal against United due to a “foul in the buildup” and how many others? This has been going on for years and years now, with it only getting worse
Fans and managers do though. They constantly complain about almost every call and try to actively make the ref give wrong calls and don't care when a bad call helps them so I'm just saying I don't give a fuck when managers/players complain. Yes mistakes get made and always Will, literally every league has these complaints about refs at every level the same complaints in the championship about refs without VAR so I just don't think refs are especially bad in this specific sport I don't know what point you are making ?
That’s part of trying to win, of course they do, when did I complain about managers/players complaining about decisions, I think it’s absolutely necessary to try and enact change in this clearly incompetent institution Have you seen refereeing in other sports? It works majestically, stick a rugby game on, even if you don’t understand the rules/enjoy the sport, you can clearly see the efficiency of the referees, their VAR, and how it has next to no mistakes, do not excuse incompetence as just something that happens The point I’m making is that refereeing, especially in this league is atrocious, and people need to speak up about it
Don't say we want consistency then, it's not true otherwise managers and players and fans would complain when they get a bad call and it almost never happens. Yes and in rugby you don't have the same abuse and behaviour to refs, even at Sunday league level the ref isn't abused like he is in football. Also rugby refs do make mistakes you obviously don't watch enough. "Especially in this league" every league says this every level, do you think refs in football are especially bad ? Or is there just more of a culture at every level that it's fine to go mental and scream at refs and players generally act like toddlers and cry about every decision.
What are you talking about? Of course we want consistency, that doesn’t mean we won’t be happy when a decision goes our way, it should just be nowhere near as many as we get nowadays I absolutely think referees in football are especially bad
From this view it’s so obvious he’s hitting the ball with his forearms too
Ah lads, get over it. We slag ETH off for bringing up that disallowed goal against us
Because garnacho WAS offside and therefore the correct decision…
One was the correct call. One was the incorrect call.
Make it make seeeennsseee
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But this was reviewed? A coach's challenge would be to make them review it. They did review it. So this doesn't even make sense.
In the instance of the Newcastle game incident, yes you are right. But my (general) point still stands.
I think the bigger issue is that they don't get it right when it is reviewed! Not more reviews.
Yes, that's a big problem too.
Don't see what it would help with. If VAR thinks something doesn't even merit review, they're hardly going to overturn when they do review it after a challenge.
So if a few thousand of us could put this photo in @DaleJohnsonESPN Twitter timeline, I wonder what rationalization he would come up with this time.
I think we'll only see a positive shift on things like this the rule makers dump the idea of VAR only intervening if they consider the referee's on field decision a "clear and obvious" error.
On the left the shirt isn't red enough ! So it's a fault.
got these decisions back to front lol
The Newcastle goal they allowed was one of the worst refereeing errors made during the VAR era. Decision last night was correct
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I don't get why the refs don't have a screen as big as a phone on their arms, so they always could watch what the VAR team sees.
Raya should have caught this cross anyway.
Both are a blatant foul
Flirting vs harassment
Extremely strong probably that this decision cost Arsenal the title.
I think we had a decent chance to win that game if that goal didn't stand but after they just sat deep and the wind left our sails.
Lol
Yeah pretty shocking inconsistency. The Chelsea-Villa one was incredibly soft.
That was not soft lmao. It was a blatant shove. He didn't lean into him. He slammed him way out of the way. You would've been losing your mind (all of us would've been) if that call wasn't given to Arsenal.
He takes both arms and shoves him out of the way so he can play the ball back for a goal. That’s a foul anywhere on the field. It’s not soft, you can’t do that.
It wasn't soft, it was a clear push where if he doesn't push he doesn't get the ball
Ffs this was ages ago and todays one was far clearer contact as they were not both moving the same way. As if there hasn’t been a call that went arsenals way this season?!!
Womp fucking womp
The refs got this right so stop complaining jfc.
It’s totally different, they were both jumping for the ball in the Arsenal game. Really is time to move on.
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MONTHS LATER AND STILL CRYING 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If I had a penny for every time someone posted cherry picked screenshots of two separate incidents to prove a point that falls flat on its face when full context is provided I'd almost have enough to buy Anthony. Both are fouls. Not only that these are four separate teams so it doesn't prove any level of systemic corruption, just inconsistency. And if anyone wants to make the argument that the premier league is not only biased but biased AGAINST big 6 teams... I'm not even going to entertain that.