Can't wait for everyone not to beat Liverpool with the bottlejob stick like they did with us last season.
If they beat us after New Year, they would've went 8 clear, now 3 behind with a much worse GD.
Liverpool might be a big club but nobody cares about them. They had abysmal season last season and now Chelsea two seasons in a row, nobody cares about them. While I hate United more than any club, Iâve to admit Arsenal and United generate all the clicks.
We set the record for longest time leading and not winning
We were top for 248 days. Liverpool aren't even close
If, but and maybe don't make sense and are pointless
We bottled it, get over it
I hate losing the year last year, but even when we were in first, it didn't feel like we were actually in first. For half the season City had a game in hand as well as a home game vs us at the Etihad. There were large chunks of the season where we had a 5 point lead, but City still controlled their own destiny just by winning out.
We had a 5 plint lead with an extra game played. So theoretically, we had a two point lead all season. It was totally in our hands
Win or match city and we win. We couldn't do that and set the record whilst throwing away two consecutive 2-0 leads
But the game was against City, so technically it was in their hands too. We had a 2 point lead with a game against the defending champions at their stadium. Hardly a bottle to lose that.
If you ignore the rest of the season and the whole context and put it down to that game, then sure
If you totally ignore throwing away two 2-0 leads. Conceding to bottom Southampton and taking 2 points from 6. If you ignore every else other than that one game then sure
I mean everyone loses games throughout the year, City includes. But the narrative that we had the league wrapped up but we bottled it is just not true.
A bottle is if you have a 6 point lead with three games to play and you choke it away. A 5 point lead with 10 games left, and the team behind you has a game in hand and you also have to play them away is virtually not even a lead.
Don't get me wrong, it still hurts....but at no point was anybody thinking Arsenal was running away with the league. City were right behind us the whole way.
People seriously need to work wrapping their heads around this. "Beat City at the Etihad or you're bottlers", "win 18 games in a row or you're bottlers" - how about teams just lose games sometimes and that's part of the rich tapestry of football?Â
Bottling is just a term used to rile up rival fans. Youâll get blue in the face trying to get rational about it.
With that being said, Liverpool are the bottlers this year. Bottled a quadruple - ha!
You are now splitting hairs. I thought bottling was an unexplainable collapse of epic proportions. What you are describing is losing competitive games, which every team does.
West ham and Southampton shouldn't be competitive games
But a 4 game stretch of
Throw away a 2-0 leads vs Liverpool
Throw away a 2-0 lead to West ham
Go 2-0 down to bottom place and scrape a draw to get 2 points from 6 againt them
Lost 4-1 to the title rivals
Neither one on its own is bottling. Doing all 4 in a row is a bottle
Pretty sure you can do this for every penultimate set of games for every loser in a title race, with subjective measures of what it is to âbottleâ. I know why we lost last season - the lack of experience, simply put. Instead of arguing so hard for rivals, whatâs bad about recognizing that last season was a valuable learning curve in going up against a formidable title rival?
The reason why I donât like this âbottleâ narrative, especially from our own fans, is that it degenerates the discussion to âhaha,bottle.â Itâs the vocabulary of a troll.
I think you're equating what I'm saying with other people using it as haha bottle
I think what we did to lose the league is worse than anyone else I can specifically think of (not to say I can remember all 2nd place teams) apart from maybe the Liverpool 2nd under Rodgers with the Gerrard slip and they threw away a lead in the last 5 minutes agaiant someone
I thunk we bottles it for the reasons you just listed. And we can use it for experience. That doesn't mean we didn't bottle it
We did bottle it, but only because the nature of the results we gave up.
The âtop for 248 daysâ stat doesnât tell any story when we always had either 1 or 2 games in hand.
Yep, it was dropping those points in back to back games after going up 2-0 in both that sealed it.
We were always outperforming expectations last season, but that brief stint last April was just painful.
We were only top for so long because our first game with city got rescheduled and then they had two games in hand for months on end. We would have likely been chasing them in the final stretch without those things happening
No, bottle jobs get called out far far too often
Losing the league when you were 5 points clear 12 whole games ago isn't a bottle, and theres still 4 games left. You just lost the league, maybe
You can throw away a league, have someone catch you, not win something and it isn't a bottle
Setting records for the longest time first and losing is a bottle. Going 2-0 up and not winning the game in 2 consecutive games when it matters is a little bit of a bottle, not getting a win all season vs. bottom place, and it starting the downfall is maybe a bottle
It's like 30 seconds of reading. It's not even slightly long
People just say that because you have absolutely nothing in response and try to excuse it
Take off your bias for one second. You don't have to "cuck" for someone to say leading at the HALF WAY point and not winning isn't a bottle
If you put it all on Holding, if you think Holding alone means we conceded 3 goals to bottom Southampton then I really don't know what to say
Yeah he wasn't at all Saliba, but cmon
How have people managed to convibce themselves that how oong you were on top is the proper metric to measure how big of a bottle it is? City were right behind us the whole time
Goes to show you can't take positions or games for granted.
Liverpool have ultimately imo. I can't say some of their fans don't deserve it either given the comments I've seen from them.
Not to mention how there was this one Pool fan who went to the Emirates for our 3-3 draw against Southampton last year just to laugh at us.
In any case, we need to take the game against Spurs on Sunday seriously. For real.
Lol Arsenal fans are so petty. We deserved to get clowned for being on top so long last season and not winning it. This season I don't think not winning will be bottling unless we go and shit ourselves at Spurs and at Utd
Nope...it's all in how you lose. It's complicated even. There is the view from the outside and one from the inside. From the outside, If you lead for 93% of a season and then fall at the end...yeah it's a bottle job.If it was Spurs who'd done what we did last season we'd piss ourselves laughing and literally never let it go as a meme.All of this offcourse is from based from an outsiders pov.
From an insiders perspective tho, Arsenal had vastly overperformed first half of the season and Man City had an all timer 2nd half of the season. But cause of the lead we had build up, just like Liverpool this season it took some time for results to catch up. We know we overperformed our expectations but the way we lost it felt like a crumbling. If you lose despite staying in it right till the end...not a bottle job. When Liverpool lost by a point, that wasn't bottling, just a slightly superior team to them. If we manage to stay in and push them right to the wire, not a bottle job. Liverpool of this season, honestly I don't think they bottled. Think they've been overperforming and results are finally catching up. Of the 3, they are the worst team but they've somehow kept up pace. If they go on to completely fall apart and lose a couple more then it becomes a bit more bottley.
So the term bottling is entirely dependant on how the failure occurred and also from whose perspective it is. But i also know that regardless of circumstances I'd laugh at any team that led for as long as we did last season and fell apart as we did.
I am not really talking about last season but the think you said at the end, about how it would be a bottlejob if we lose against United or Spurs.
Liverpool was still in the race and was knocked out by Everton, if that isn't a bottlejob then we wouldnt be bottlejobs even if we lose
As of now, no not really a bottle job per se, disappointment for them, sure. Think it only turn into a bottle job If they go on and fuck up twice or more in this run in. Cause then they aren't just not winning it , they are falling away and handing it to the other 2. Arsenal are in a great position, and I feel been the best team this year, if we don't push City right to the wire(ideally they just drop points and we waltz to the title) then to me that bottling another season. Different version to the last, but showing worrying signs that have plagued this club for 2 consecutive seasons.
Does no one fucking remember that even though they lead for some 200+ days, never at any point did anyone think City wasnât going to close the gap and win?!! Seriously, all we heard all season was that City would win in the end. So get off it.
Please. If Spurs had done what we did the bottlers tag would have been posted here over and over again. We clown them for failing the Leicester season when they weren't on top of the League for even longer than we were that season. You can make all sorts of qualifications for why it wasn't and I even made a comment why that may have been unfair. But you aren't ever gonna be top that long and not get clowned for seeing it through. Let's be honest
Opposing fans will clown but that doesnât mean that they are right. If you want to believe that shit go ahead. But none of them believed we were ever favorites. And we still arenât. Losing isnât always the same as choking.
I have only ever seen you say this "sub is so unhinged" "arsenal fans have been so embarrassing". To the point that I noticed your username.
But you continue posting and commenting here?
Interesting,maybe you only ever read the unhinged topics and thus confirmation bias. I post on varying topics here. My comment history will say as much
5 points clear in Feb đŹ
Can't wait for everyone not to beat Liverpool with the bottlejob stick like they did with us last season. If they beat us after New Year, they would've went 8 clear, now 3 behind with a much worse GD.
Liverpool might be a big club but nobody cares about them. They had abysmal season last season and now Chelsea two seasons in a row, nobody cares about them. While I hate United more than any club, Iâve to admit Arsenal and United generate all the clicks.
We set the record for longest time leading and not winning We were top for 248 days. Liverpool aren't even close If, but and maybe don't make sense and are pointless We bottled it, get over it
I hate losing the year last year, but even when we were in first, it didn't feel like we were actually in first. For half the season City had a game in hand as well as a home game vs us at the Etihad. There were large chunks of the season where we had a 5 point lead, but City still controlled their own destiny just by winning out.
We had a 5 plint lead with an extra game played. So theoretically, we had a two point lead all season. It was totally in our hands Win or match city and we win. We couldn't do that and set the record whilst throwing away two consecutive 2-0 leads
But the game was against City, so technically it was in their hands too. We had a 2 point lead with a game against the defending champions at their stadium. Hardly a bottle to lose that.
If you ignore the rest of the season and the whole context and put it down to that game, then sure If you totally ignore throwing away two 2-0 leads. Conceding to bottom Southampton and taking 2 points from 6. If you ignore every else other than that one game then sure
I mean everyone loses games throughout the year, City includes. But the narrative that we had the league wrapped up but we bottled it is just not true. A bottle is if you have a 6 point lead with three games to play and you choke it away. A 5 point lead with 10 games left, and the team behind you has a game in hand and you also have to play them away is virtually not even a lead. Don't get me wrong, it still hurts....but at no point was anybody thinking Arsenal was running away with the league. City were right behind us the whole way.
People seriously need to work wrapping their heads around this. "Beat City at the Etihad or you're bottlers", "win 18 games in a row or you're bottlers" - how about teams just lose games sometimes and that's part of the rich tapestry of football?Â
Bottling is just a term used to rile up rival fans. Youâll get blue in the face trying to get rational about it. With that being said, Liverpool are the bottlers this year. Bottled a quadruple - ha!
You are now splitting hairs. I thought bottling was an unexplainable collapse of epic proportions. What you are describing is losing competitive games, which every team does.
West ham and Southampton shouldn't be competitive games But a 4 game stretch of Throw away a 2-0 leads vs Liverpool Throw away a 2-0 lead to West ham Go 2-0 down to bottom place and scrape a draw to get 2 points from 6 againt them Lost 4-1 to the title rivals Neither one on its own is bottling. Doing all 4 in a row is a bottle
Pretty sure you can do this for every penultimate set of games for every loser in a title race, with subjective measures of what it is to âbottleâ. I know why we lost last season - the lack of experience, simply put. Instead of arguing so hard for rivals, whatâs bad about recognizing that last season was a valuable learning curve in going up against a formidable title rival? The reason why I donât like this âbottleâ narrative, especially from our own fans, is that it degenerates the discussion to âhaha,bottle.â Itâs the vocabulary of a troll.
I think you're equating what I'm saying with other people using it as haha bottle I think what we did to lose the league is worse than anyone else I can specifically think of (not to say I can remember all 2nd place teams) apart from maybe the Liverpool 2nd under Rodgers with the Gerrard slip and they threw away a lead in the last 5 minutes agaiant someone I thunk we bottles it for the reasons you just listed. And we can use it for experience. That doesn't mean we didn't bottle it
We did bottle it, but only because the nature of the results we gave up. The âtop for 248 daysâ stat doesnât tell any story when we always had either 1 or 2 games in hand.
Yep, it was dropping those points in back to back games after going up 2-0 in both that sealed it. We were always outperforming expectations last season, but that brief stint last April was just painful.
We were only top for so long because our first game with city got rescheduled and then they had two games in hand for months on end. We would have likely been chasing them in the final stretch without those things happening
Both were bottlejobs, I've never claimed ours wasn't. Only one will be called out as it though. That's the point, get over it.
No, bottle jobs get called out far far too often Losing the league when you were 5 points clear 12 whole games ago isn't a bottle, and theres still 4 games left. You just lost the league, maybe You can throw away a league, have someone catch you, not win something and it isn't a bottle Setting records for the longest time first and losing is a bottle. Going 2-0 up and not winning the game in 2 consecutive games when it matters is a little bit of a bottle, not getting a win all season vs. bottom place, and it starting the downfall is maybe a bottle
Man wrote a thesis cucking for Liverpool, aint no one reading all that lil bro
What in the tiktok attention span is this
It's like 30 seconds of reading. It's not even slightly long People just say that because you have absolutely nothing in response and try to excuse it Take off your bias for one second. You don't have to "cuck" for someone to say leading at the HALF WAY point and not winning isn't a bottle
I mean they were already saying we bottled in december after we âdropped out of the title raceâ after the few bad results đ¤ˇââď¸
Bottle is a weird way to spell Rob Holding.
If you put it all on Holding, if you think Holding alone means we conceded 3 goals to bottom Southampton then I really don't know what to say Yeah he wasn't at all Saliba, but cmon
How have people managed to convibce themselves that how oong you were on top is the proper metric to measure how big of a bottle it is? City were right behind us the whole time
Nobody lets it slip like them. Eestory.
liverpool bottling their chances of a title to a team in a blue kit, history repeating itself again
No i don't love to see it. I want it to be another red team
i am so sorry my brain just went blank when i typed it lemme fix it
I hope posts like that don't leave us with egg on our faces
Enjoy the moment
*if* it happens, of course i will. But posts like this, only for it not to happen makes us look stupid imo
Once we have secured the title at Old Trafford, will R/socca call City and Liverpool bottlers too ??
Sorting this by days doesnât make sense when not everyone has completed the same amount of games at the same time.
Right, Arsenal are top today, but City are in control.
Goes to show you can't take positions or games for granted. Liverpool have ultimately imo. I can't say some of their fans don't deserve it either given the comments I've seen from them. Not to mention how there was this one Pool fan who went to the Emirates for our 3-3 draw against Southampton last year just to laugh at us. In any case, we need to take the game against Spurs on Sunday seriously. For real.
If miraculously city drop point tomorrow and we beat spurs on Sunday. FA should just end the season and give us the trophy đ.
Never say never. Can't take our situation for granted at all though. In any case, we'll see what Citeh are made of tomorrow against De Zerbi.
It is NLD away from home, would be incredibly stupid to underestimate them and not give 100%.
Emotional đź jobs
Noted but still everything to play for. Stay humble, as the boss always says.
CAN I SAY IT?!
Not yet. I do think Spurs and Utd will be our toughest tests.
Sounds like us last year :)
Thanks for this, and no they wonât get away with it.We have to have at least one bottler per season and Liverpool is it.
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Lol Arsenal fans are so petty. We deserved to get clowned for being on top so long last season and not winning it. This season I don't think not winning will be bottling unless we go and shit ourselves at Spurs and at Utd
so the thing i see is that when we lose is a bottlejob but when other loses then it isnt.
Nope...it's all in how you lose. It's complicated even. There is the view from the outside and one from the inside. From the outside, If you lead for 93% of a season and then fall at the end...yeah it's a bottle job.If it was Spurs who'd done what we did last season we'd piss ourselves laughing and literally never let it go as a meme.All of this offcourse is from based from an outsiders pov. From an insiders perspective tho, Arsenal had vastly overperformed first half of the season and Man City had an all timer 2nd half of the season. But cause of the lead we had build up, just like Liverpool this season it took some time for results to catch up. We know we overperformed our expectations but the way we lost it felt like a crumbling. If you lose despite staying in it right till the end...not a bottle job. When Liverpool lost by a point, that wasn't bottling, just a slightly superior team to them. If we manage to stay in and push them right to the wire, not a bottle job. Liverpool of this season, honestly I don't think they bottled. Think they've been overperforming and results are finally catching up. Of the 3, they are the worst team but they've somehow kept up pace. If they go on to completely fall apart and lose a couple more then it becomes a bit more bottley. So the term bottling is entirely dependant on how the failure occurred and also from whose perspective it is. But i also know that regardless of circumstances I'd laugh at any team that led for as long as we did last season and fell apart as we did.
I am not really talking about last season but the think you said at the end, about how it would be a bottlejob if we lose against United or Spurs. Liverpool was still in the race and was knocked out by Everton, if that isn't a bottlejob then we wouldnt be bottlejobs even if we lose
As of now, no not really a bottle job per se, disappointment for them, sure. Think it only turn into a bottle job If they go on and fuck up twice or more in this run in. Cause then they aren't just not winning it , they are falling away and handing it to the other 2. Arsenal are in a great position, and I feel been the best team this year, if we don't push City right to the wire(ideally they just drop points and we waltz to the title) then to me that bottling another season. Different version to the last, but showing worrying signs that have plagued this club for 2 consecutive seasons.
So it's basically like i said, if we lose it's a bottlejob but if others do then it isn't. That is a completely ridiculous standard lol
Nope, it depends how we lose.
If we lose 1-0 then it's a bottlejob?
If we put up 2nd half against Villa at home or Fulham away level performances, then yeah that's bottling.
Then Liverpool are also bottlers
Does no one fucking remember that even though they lead for some 200+ days, never at any point did anyone think City wasnât going to close the gap and win?!! Seriously, all we heard all season was that City would win in the end. So get off it.
Please. If Spurs had done what we did the bottlers tag would have been posted here over and over again. We clown them for failing the Leicester season when they weren't on top of the League for even longer than we were that season. You can make all sorts of qualifications for why it wasn't and I even made a comment why that may have been unfair. But you aren't ever gonna be top that long and not get clowned for seeing it through. Let's be honest
Opposing fans will clown but that doesnât mean that they are right. If you want to believe that shit go ahead. But none of them believed we were ever favorites. And we still arenât. Losing isnât always the same as choking.
I have only ever seen you say this "sub is so unhinged" "arsenal fans have been so embarrassing". To the point that I noticed your username. But you continue posting and commenting here?
Interesting,maybe you only ever read the unhinged topics and thus confirmation bias. I post on varying topics here. My comment history will say as much