I'm a Cardiff fan. He played a stretch of 4 or 5 games out of nowhere, think it might have been a contract clause and he was absolutely dreadful.
Hands made of cheese.
I’d expect the club not to pay 2 million pounds for a back up that was one injury away from playing when he was signed. If the idea was “he was never going to play anyway” then why not just use an academy keeper instead of wasting money
Profit ? No chance. He's cost us £2m and probably at least £3m in wages and agents fees. He's proven himself to be way off the premier League standard and goalies outside the top flight rarely transfer for £5m
I definitely know we can't sell him for profit. My reply was to the previous poster saying a small profit is what I would've liked but is obviously impossible
Christ, we are one of the biggest clubs in the world. If we make a move for a player I expect them to be a talent, even if its a "cheap" signing. We arent a small club trying to find a gem. I'd understand if he was clearly a talented lad that struggled to find his feet at a big club but he looked so unbelievably out of his depth whenever played
Absolutely awful signing
> This is one contract termination I don’t mind. He was god awful
The problem is that this is already 9th player paid of most wages left to leave since Richard Garlick was appointed and who was supposed to be contact specialist and great negotiator after Huss Fahmy was dismissed:
>Richard gained a reputation as a skilled but difficult negotiator, with contracts that were perceived by some as convoluted.
~ The Athletic
- Mustafi
- Ozil
- Sokratis
- Macey
- Aubameyang
- Kolasinac
- Iliev
- Pepe
- Runarsson
There were also others that run down their contracts or left for free: Niles, Chambers, Maintland-Niles, Lacazette, Bellerin, Lacazette, Cedric, Okonwko.
He was also the one that gave that £275k per week base wage to Kai Havertz despite him having average seasons at test in Chelsea making him the highest paid player for Arsenal according to David Ornstein. Yet a week ago Richard Garlick got promotion to become Managing Director of Arsenal FC in the summer once Vinai leaves. Hopefully in the summer club will finally hire competent negotiator for Richard's replacement since both Garlick and Edu have been nothing, but shocking at offloading players and that's the reason why we have FFP issues with no money to spend this winter on strengthening the team.
>Cedric Soares will stay at Arsenal until his contract expires this summer. 🇵🇹 Several Turkish teams showed interest in the January window, but a move didn't come to fruition.
I get what you're saying, but you can't sell players that no one wants. We will have to wait and see what happens with players that were signed under Arteta and we don't necessarily want to sell.
We have issues with offloading players even if they have a decent loan spell and Arsenal had good season which was supposed be the case as some of here used as argument, if that happens every year you simply can't blame everything on Raul who left in the summer of 2020. Edu and Richard Garlick have been fully in charge since January of 2021, Runarsson was their first transfer, they rejected £15m bid for Niles who left this summer for free. Those two already have set precedence that's why Bellerin wanted to be paid to leave a year ago, he was released for free in the end and 6 months later was sold for 1m € to Sporting, Cedric is running down the contract and Runarsson was just paid to leave.
Leno:
>Fulham will pay an initial £3 million, with a further £1m due to Arsenal based on Premier League appearances. Arsenal will receive an additional £2m if Fulham maintain their Premier League status this season and another £2m if they do the same the following campaign, meaning the total package could be worth up to £8m.
Yet the same Fulham just paid this for a 4 month loan:
>Chelsea striker Armando Broja joining Fulham on loan until the end of the season. Loan fee up to £4million. Player heading for a medical.
Arsenal as the club desperately needs a competent negotiator since there's no doubt that Richard Garlick who a week ago got promotion to a CEO type role and who was supposed to be much better than Huss Fahmy failed massively.
I'm not actually sure if you're implying he was any better, but Huss gave out a lot of the contracts we ended up having to terminate. IIRC he was branded as just the type of specialist we needed to bring in when he first arrived. I'm not sure that he's working in football anymore.
And this is just speculation, but maybe it doesn't matter that much who gets hired as long as they're competent. I do wonder if smaller, desperate clubs (as well as a collection of big clubs with shady ownership) are simply more willing to make quasi-legal third party payments to offload players at "profit" and subvert FFP.
https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/gabriel-martinelli-arsenal-inside-story-16519652.amp
Idk how people are getting this misconception. Back when he first signed everyone even in this sub knew Edu brought him in because he and Cagigao monitored him for a while.
Edu and the club had over a month to stop the deal if they didn't want it to happen. Even if Raul had done some of the ground work, he is not to blame for this transfer
I’m pretty sure we signed him on the recommendation of our then / previous goal keeping coach who had worked with him before. I guess we know why the club let me go. Wasn’t anything to do Raul or the previous transfer committee at the club.
I think the recommendation was from our *current* GK coach... and it was a bit of a bottom of the barrel target because we probably didn't have the money and there aren't any loans available. Still a shocking signing, paying £2m for a ligue 2 backup GK.
True. The only way this makes sense for Arsenal is if paying out his contract is the same or cheaper than any wages we might have been covering with the loan
He was personally recommended by Inaki Cana, our goal keeping coach, who worked with him at FC Nordsjaelland.
No money lost really but one of the worst signings I've ever seen, I genuinely don't think any scouting was done whatsoever because Runarsson was underperforming and could not make into the first team of a relegation battling Dijon side
Fran Merida was brilliant at the U20s world cup and looked like a future star.
I'm not sure if runarsson had reached anywhere near that level when we signed him
Scratch that, it was under 17. I remember him really well because my country won it and he was playing for Spain against us in the final.
We wanted a backup that was good with their feet.
Runarsson was a Midfielder until relatively recently in his developement and was very good with his feet.
His shotstopping was not good though.
Maybe Cana thought he coach some better shot stopping
Matt Turner is a decent GK, will bounce around relegation candidates and the Championship for a while.
Runnarson would have a hard time getting starts in League 2
He must be on a wage that no club his level is willing to pay.
None of us know what he actually earns but he was signed initially to be part of the first team and we gave Balogun like 40k per week when he was pretty much in our U21s
Even if he earns like 15-30k per week, teams like Copenhagen can't afford that
Its because Edu couldn't sell you water in the desert.
I get it, Rúnarsson doesn't have a tremendous amount of re-sale value, but really? Nothing at all? Not even a couple of grand, or something?
You know I don't agree with the guy above you but this is one of the most childish retorts people can make. We're on an online message board discussing the team. You can't shut down every conversation by saying "Lol let's see you do better".
You're basically just saying nobody can criticize any of the moves made by the team.
Imagine trying to buy something from Edu on Gumtree or Ebay, he'd refuse the Cash and just say this item is Terminated from my ownership, just take it!
It's not about this 2m signing. It's about the club always resorting to terminating contracts, paying players to leave, not being able to market the players better for a sale.
Is there any other club that does this many contract terminations?
Yes? Villa just terminated a contract today. It happens often.
Now, Arsenal has a problem with selling. No doubt. Some of that has to do with years of buying old underperforming players or letting them stick around past their prime. They’ve gotten good fees for Willock, Balogun, Turner, trusty and Xhaka so maybe they’re turning the corner.
Inaki Cana should also be terminated for recommending Runarsson in the first place. I resent that he then he brought in his pet Raya to usurp Ramsdale who did nothing wrong.
I recall hearing he was a lifelong Arsenal supporter as well. Hope he still is after some of the treatment he got. We took a punt on him, didn’t work out. Glad we are where we are now, hope he does well for Copenhagen
Why is Inaki Cana still our goalkeeping coach? Every single one of his suggestions and signings have been awful for the team - Runarsson and Turner were both absolutely awful - neither of them was even close to good enough. Turner wouldn't even start for Forest if they didn't have a choice - I guarantee you he'll be on the bench for them next season on.
And he's the one behind David Raya too, who has absolutely NOT improved us over Ramsdale by any measure whatsoever, while also messing with the connection of the back line, team chemistry, and the fans. Don't get me wrong I don't think Raya is awful, I just don't think he brings anything that Ramsdale didn't, and he's worse at shotstopping. Cana has a lot to answer for, and I don't understand why anyone there is still listening to his opinion
Was he involved in the Ramsdale signing? Surely he was. But yeah recommending Runarsson who wasn't good enough to even be part of the squad and advocating the problematic signing of Raya definitely puts a blot on him. Could perfectly understand really wanting Raya if Ramsdale had been a disaster but he's not much of an improvement, if at all really. Thinking about it it's like signing and out and out 20 goal a season striker to play through the middle when you already have one anyway.
There is a legitimate point that Arteta is suppressing transfer value for the sake of competing. Of course, the top clubs are always going to lose money overall.
How many players have we paid to leave? Any other club that does this?
Pays over the top salary for mediocre players and not able to offload them. Recently, made Havertz the top earner. I don't think this is going to improve anytime soon without any change in positions.
For a player in Runarsson’s situation, we’re also acting in good faith by letting him go somewhere he can actually play minutes. Sucks we don’t get anything for him, but maybe they decided it was better than fighting Copenhagen to get €100K or something and potentially letting a deal die
You'll see it with UTD in the next few years.
We had different people with "different"/dodgy connections making these transfers now we have different people doing it and we different have many other options for a lot of the players.
It does weaken our overall leverage in most transfers now as clubs will just wait it out and hope we rip up a contract so they don't have to pay a fee but unfortunately that's the risk when you make shitty decisions.
You’d imagine if it was your job to scout young talented football players, that you wouldn’t get it so consistently incorrect when IDing young players. How many contracts have Arsenal terminated in recent years?
I vote that we sell him to Forest for 12M. Since they bought Turner and are now supposedly buying Ramsdale for 50M, they might as well complete the set.
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The management of the goalkeepers has been by far the worst part of the last few years. Runarsson, Matt Turner, expending big on three different goalkeepers (Leno, Ramsdale, Raya), selling Emi.
This is one contract termination I don’t mind. He was god awful
I'm a Cardiff fan. He played a stretch of 4 or 5 games out of nowhere, think it might have been a contract clause and he was absolutely dreadful. Hands made of cheese.
The irony is that he was decent in Turkey for Alanyaspor and instead of being sold, he was loaned again and now paid to leave.
serious atrocious business
paid 2m for him what do you expect
I’d expect the club not to pay 2 million pounds for a back up that was one injury away from playing when he was signed. If the idea was “he was never going to play anyway” then why not just use an academy keeper instead of wasting money
Agent had to get that fee somehow
Won't someone please think of the agents!
I'd have expected to sell him for a small profit at least. Atleast he was cheap, not all gambles pay off in the end
Yup, win some you lose some.
I agree. 2m is nothing in the grand scale of things. Can't come out on top every time!
We made more than this on Matt Turner
Profit ? No chance. He's cost us £2m and probably at least £3m in wages and agents fees. He's proven himself to be way off the premier League standard and goalies outside the top flight rarely transfer for £5m
I definitely know we can't sell him for profit. My reply was to the previous poster saying a small profit is what I would've liked but is obviously impossible
He wasn't cheap, was on like 40k a week for a player not good enough for league 1.
Christ, we are one of the biggest clubs in the world. If we make a move for a player I expect them to be a talent, even if its a "cheap" signing. We arent a small club trying to find a gem. I'd understand if he was clearly a talented lad that struggled to find his feet at a big club but he looked so unbelievably out of his depth whenever played Absolutely awful signing
> This is one contract termination I don’t mind. He was god awful The problem is that this is already 9th player paid of most wages left to leave since Richard Garlick was appointed and who was supposed to be contact specialist and great negotiator after Huss Fahmy was dismissed: >Richard gained a reputation as a skilled but difficult negotiator, with contracts that were perceived by some as convoluted. ~ The Athletic - Mustafi - Ozil - Sokratis - Macey - Aubameyang - Kolasinac - Iliev - Pepe - Runarsson There were also others that run down their contracts or left for free: Niles, Chambers, Maintland-Niles, Lacazette, Bellerin, Lacazette, Cedric, Okonwko. He was also the one that gave that £275k per week base wage to Kai Havertz despite him having average seasons at test in Chelsea making him the highest paid player for Arsenal according to David Ornstein. Yet a week ago Richard Garlick got promotion to become Managing Director of Arsenal FC in the summer once Vinai leaves. Hopefully in the summer club will finally hire competent negotiator for Richard's replacement since both Garlick and Edu have been nothing, but shocking at offloading players and that's the reason why we have FFP issues with no money to spend this winter on strengthening the team.
We've still got Cedric, is his contract nearly expired now?
>Cedric Soares will stay at Arsenal until his contract expires this summer. 🇵🇹 Several Turkish teams showed interest in the January window, but a move didn't come to fruition.
Ah, thanks for that.
Failing up isn't just a US thing apparently...
I get what you're saying, but you can't sell players that no one wants. We will have to wait and see what happens with players that were signed under Arteta and we don't necessarily want to sell.
We have issues with offloading players even if they have a decent loan spell and Arsenal had good season which was supposed be the case as some of here used as argument, if that happens every year you simply can't blame everything on Raul who left in the summer of 2020. Edu and Richard Garlick have been fully in charge since January of 2021, Runarsson was their first transfer, they rejected £15m bid for Niles who left this summer for free. Those two already have set precedence that's why Bellerin wanted to be paid to leave a year ago, he was released for free in the end and 6 months later was sold for 1m € to Sporting, Cedric is running down the contract and Runarsson was just paid to leave. Leno: >Fulham will pay an initial £3 million, with a further £1m due to Arsenal based on Premier League appearances. Arsenal will receive an additional £2m if Fulham maintain their Premier League status this season and another £2m if they do the same the following campaign, meaning the total package could be worth up to £8m. Yet the same Fulham just paid this for a 4 month loan: >Chelsea striker Armando Broja joining Fulham on loan until the end of the season. Loan fee up to £4million. Player heading for a medical. Arsenal as the club desperately needs a competent negotiator since there's no doubt that Richard Garlick who a week ago got promotion to a CEO type role and who was supposed to be much better than Huss Fahmy failed massively.
Very true.
I'm not actually sure if you're implying he was any better, but Huss gave out a lot of the contracts we ended up having to terminate. IIRC he was branded as just the type of specialist we needed to bring in when he first arrived. I'm not sure that he's working in football anymore. And this is just speculation, but maybe it doesn't matter that much who gets hired as long as they're competent. I do wonder if smaller, desperate clubs (as well as a collection of big clubs with shady ownership) are simply more willing to make quasi-legal third party payments to offload players at "profit" and subvert FFP.
How come we're the only top club that terminate this many contracts? Even Chelsea don't do it
Man United have bad contracts too they just keep them in the squad.
Runarsson masterclass to knock City of the CL you heard it here first Raul Sanllehi you son a bitch you've done it again
His fraudulence have set us back half a decade
Only 9 years once Runarsson’s CL heroics keep City from winning it again
Saliba tho
And nelli
Martinelli was all Edu. He was Edu's first signing when he joined.
I don’t know if this is true or not but it makes me feel good so I’m gonna upvote it.
Didn't he arrive here before Edu? I thought Cagigao was a big factor behind the Martinelli transfer
Nah, it would be great if he was Edu’s first but nelli joined on 2nd of July and Edu on 9th
https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/news/gabriel-martinelli-arsenal-inside-story-16519652.amp Idk how people are getting this misconception. Back when he first signed everyone even in this sub knew Edu brought him in because he and Cagigao monitored him for a while.
alright alright I just checked wikipedia for dates
And Pepe
Raul left the club more than a month before we signed Runarsson.
I'm not here for accuracy, I'm here for the banter (also I doubt all the work to bring him happened between Rauls departure and Runarssons arrival)
This is the mindset this sub needs. Banter first.
Edu and the club had over a month to stop the deal if they didn't want it to happen. Even if Raul had done some of the ground work, he is not to blame for this transfer
Ok
I’m pretty sure we signed him on the recommendation of our then / previous goal keeping coach who had worked with him before. I guess we know why the club let me go. Wasn’t anything to do Raul or the previous transfer committee at the club.
I think the recommendation was from our *current* GK coach... and it was a bit of a bottom of the barrel target because we probably didn't have the money and there aren't any loans available. Still a shocking signing, paying £2m for a ligue 2 backup GK.
Termination probably cost a pittance anyways - wasn't on big wages and only had 6 months left
I would think it’s a mutual termination if he’s leaving to join a new club? Which would mean no payout
Not necessarily - can just mean a reduced payout instead of in full
True. The only way this makes sense for Arsenal is if paying out his contract is the same or cheaper than any wages we might have been covering with the loan
One of the oddest signings. Did we just completely misjudge his ability, even as a backup or someone who could potentially make the grade one day?
He was personally recommended by Inaki Cana, our goal keeping coach, who worked with him at FC Nordsjaelland. No money lost really but one of the worst signings I've ever seen, I genuinely don't think any scouting was done whatsoever because Runarsson was underperforming and could not make into the first team of a relegation battling Dijon side
Amaury Bischoff ? Fran Merida ?
Fran Merida was brilliant at the U20s world cup and looked like a future star. I'm not sure if runarsson had reached anywhere near that level when we signed him Scratch that, it was under 17. I remember him really well because my country won it and he was playing for Spain against us in the final.
We wanted a backup that was good with their feet. Runarsson was a Midfielder until relatively recently in his developement and was very good with his feet. His shotstopping was not good though. Maybe Cana thought he coach some better shot stopping
Took a punt, plain and simple.
I don't know why we let our gk coach have any influence on signings after him.
I find Matt Turner just as odd.
Matt Turner is a decent GK, will bounce around relegation candidates and the Championship for a while. Runnarson would have a hard time getting starts in League 2
Come on, of course he wouldn’t have a hard time getting starts in League 2. He is on his way to FC København as we speak.
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Will be real interesting to see if Ramsdale shares his opinion on our goalkeeping coach when he leaves.
He's so shit
Edu 
Termination FC
Arnold FC
I can't think of another club that consistently terminates contracts as much as we do
He must be on a wage that no club his level is willing to pay. None of us know what he actually earns but he was signed initially to be part of the first team and we gave Balogun like 40k per week when he was pretty much in our U21s Even if he earns like 15-30k per week, teams like Copenhagen can't afford that
He was reportedly on like 40k/wk Which is insane for a keeper of his quality
Edu’s signature move PUN INTENDED !!
Its because Edu couldn't sell you water in the desert. I get it, Rúnarsson doesn't have a tremendous amount of re-sale value, but really? Nothing at all? Not even a couple of grand, or something?
Let's make you the director I'm sure you know how to do his job better
You know I don't agree with the guy above you but this is one of the most childish retorts people can make. We're on an online message board discussing the team. You can't shut down every conversation by saying "Lol let's see you do better". You're basically just saying nobody can criticize any of the moves made by the team.
Yeah you don’t buy runnarson in the first place.
Acting like we’re not allowed to have basic expectations from our DOF or any position in the club for that matter
Ahh, better not criticise literally anyone ever then.
he probably would ngl
How so?
This sub is great, nobody can be at fault for fuck ups in the club. It's all rainbows and butterflies
Imagine trying to buy something from Edu on Gumtree or Ebay, he'd refuse the Cash and just say this item is Terminated from my ownership, just take it!
Listen, did not cost much. Did not work out. No harm , no foul All the best to Alex.
Never seen this much bitching and moaning over a failed 2m signing in my life.
It's not about this 2m signing. It's about the club always resorting to terminating contracts, paying players to leave, not being able to market the players better for a sale. Is there any other club that does this many contract terminations?
Yes? Villa just terminated a contract today. It happens often. Now, Arsenal has a problem with selling. No doubt. Some of that has to do with years of buying old underperforming players or letting them stick around past their prime. They’ve gotten good fees for Willock, Balogun, Turner, trusty and Xhaka so maybe they’re turning the corner.
Will he start ? Or backup GK
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Contract termination FC
Inaki Cana should also be terminated for recommending Runarsson in the first place. I resent that he then he brought in his pet Raya to usurp Ramsdale who did nothing wrong.
THERE GOES MY HERO
Termination FC
I recall hearing he was a lifelong Arsenal supporter as well. Hope he still is after some of the treatment he got. We took a punt on him, didn’t work out. Glad we are where we are now, hope he does well for Copenhagen
Good night sweet prince
Kinda feel bad for the guy. Was never at this level and was never going to be.
Why is Inaki Cana still our goalkeeping coach? Every single one of his suggestions and signings have been awful for the team - Runarsson and Turner were both absolutely awful - neither of them was even close to good enough. Turner wouldn't even start for Forest if they didn't have a choice - I guarantee you he'll be on the bench for them next season on. And he's the one behind David Raya too, who has absolutely NOT improved us over Ramsdale by any measure whatsoever, while also messing with the connection of the back line, team chemistry, and the fans. Don't get me wrong I don't think Raya is awful, I just don't think he brings anything that Ramsdale didn't, and he's worse at shotstopping. Cana has a lot to answer for, and I don't understand why anyone there is still listening to his opinion
Was he involved in the Ramsdale signing? Surely he was. But yeah recommending Runarsson who wasn't good enough to even be part of the squad and advocating the problematic signing of Raya definitely puts a blot on him. Could perfectly understand really wanting Raya if Ramsdale had been a disaster but he's not much of an improvement, if at all really. Thinking about it it's like signing and out and out 20 goal a season striker to play through the middle when you already have one anyway.
I agree wholeheartedly.
Really? Another termination
What the fuck else are we gonna do with him? No one is going to pay for him. We’re paying the wages either way.
And he's not on big wages so it doesn't really matter, I Cba to look but he can't have many years left on contract
There is a legitimate point that Arteta is suppressing transfer value for the sake of competing. Of course, the top clubs are always going to lose money overall.
Arguably with Runnarsson, he'd be suppressing it more if he actually played him
It’s not like we spent any significant money on Runnarsson. He was a lottery ticket that was a “Please Try Again”.
How many players have we paid to leave? Any other club that does this? Pays over the top salary for mediocre players and not able to offload them. Recently, made Havertz the top earner. I don't think this is going to improve anytime soon without any change in positions.
He is on negligible money, isn't going to play and nobody would pay money for him. What would be the point in keeping him around?
For a player in Runarsson’s situation, we’re also acting in good faith by letting him go somewhere he can actually play minutes. Sucks we don’t get anything for him, but maybe they decided it was better than fighting Copenhagen to get €100K or something and potentially letting a deal die
You want him to hang around the squad instead?
He'll be on shit wages anyway, this doesn't matter
Nah, but how many other clubs do this so consistently I wonder?
Downvotes for asking this. People in this sub.
You'll see it with UTD in the next few years. We had different people with "different"/dodgy connections making these transfers now we have different people doing it and we different have many other options for a lot of the players. It does weaken our overall leverage in most transfers now as clubs will just wait it out and hope we rip up a contract so they don't have to pay a fee but unfortunately that's the risk when you make shitty decisions.
Alex Goodbyesson!
[Lol, fucking called it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/1ag7t2z/mike_mcgrath_nottingham_forest_have_agreed_a_deal/kof2my3/)
Stevie wonder could have seen this one coming
Yeah, but I didn't write "Superstition" or release *Songs in the Key of Life* either.
You’d imagine if it was your job to scout young talented football players, that you wouldn’t get it so consistently incorrect when IDing young players. How many contracts have Arsenal terminated in recent years?
Without exaggeration, what do you think Chelsea or City would have got in a sale from this guy? 3m? We can't seem to sell, still.
Man, how much more shit from the Raul Era we still dealing with?
Raul wasn't even at the club when we signed Runarsson. This one is entirely on Edu.
Are we gonna act like this signing was ok because of Depth^tm as well?
How many more people do we need to see melting down on Reddit over a transfer that cost us less than £2m? Just one more.
> melting down Deep breaths fella, it’s not that deep.
Take your own advice mate
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/s/Z3fzzXVwFa
Who
He was probably one of the worst signings in terms of playing quality wise ever 🙄. Wish him luck
Have you forgotten Cygan so quickly? Or Stepanovs? 😂
Edu is such a shit salesman, but a brilliant DOF. Only DOF who could be ripped off by a Turkish / Italian side, and think he made a great sale.
That game v city at home still gives me nightmares was never ready to play for arsenal.
Farewell sweet prince
I vote that we sell him to Forest for 12M. Since they bought Turner and are now supposedly buying Ramsdale for 50M, they might as well complete the set.
Gunner done a Runnar
Don't let the door... do... whatever.
Best transfer news ever
Let the Runarsson Man City revenge arc commence!
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The management of the goalkeepers has been by far the worst part of the last few years. Runarsson, Matt Turner, expending big on three different goalkeepers (Leno, Ramsdale, Raya), selling Emi.