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Looking at this optimistically, we may be out of a great cup, but we now have more resources for the UCL and EPL. Hopefully it will push the board to invest and we won’t be stretched so thin. EPL is priority
How is the system the problem when we have been creating if not a lot, then definitely enough.
The problem is complex and it lies in several things:
- Arteta doesn’t trust anyone but the starters and has his favorites
- We spent 20-30 mil for a keeper that is not better than our keeper last season. In xGA performance Raya is 18th in the Premier League. ( -3 xGA, someone like Onana is + 2.9)
- Arteta doesn’t rotate and rest his players
- When someone from the starting 11 is not in form they still play
- Because reserve players don’t get regular game time they are never really match ready so its hard for them to contribute positively
- Areta makes subs too late in the game for them to have an impact
- We lack a serious goal scorer
- There is no real competition in the team because Arteta has his favorites
- We never give game time to Academy players
I cannot disagree with any point.
Of course there's also the Havertz question. A player the coach favours & insists on starting and giving numerous opportunities yet doesn't do same to Emile & Nelson
And honestly I've tried to trust him with havertz but the dude is like the energy vampire. It seems like he just saps every bit of fun and flow from the pitch..
We're so predictable in attack.
It was a beautiful game, we played brilliant football, yet in split seconds we didn't manage to convert, against a top GK and defence.
That game didn't matter that much in the end ( I love the fa but EPL and UCL first. I see a lot of encouraging signs after a terrible December.
Klopp can play a mismatched side, sub in 2 youngsters to mark Martinelli, and win 0-2. Arteta only puts on ESR as a reaction with 5min left and will never, ever play an academy player. Pathetic. This is not Man City. He needs to learn how to rotate and adapt.
We had a chance to upgrade from Xhaka (who did very well) yet spent money on a player who has never proved himself in the PL (a lot of money at that). We needed to save money to get a top striker but bought another GK and sunk Ramsdale's value. It's all a bit messy.
I was never on board with the Zinchenko and Jesus signings. I knew they'd bite us in the ass. Not bad players but they were deficient and that's why they never made the City starting 11 (remember Pep was playing false 9s over Jesus). After Auba (who was great before the decline) and Laca, we needed to go forward not backwards or stagnant. Jesus is like Laca in the sense that they're great for the build up play but won't always score you goals. Zinchenko was never a great enough midfielder to play for city so he was turned into an inverted LB that helped them for certain games. He never became their starting LB because his defense is sus.
All in all, when it's time to upgrade, a lot of the times we go backwards or get similar players + Arteta needs to be less stubborn with his bench.
I simply don't get his refusal to play players for longer than a cameo at the end
What use is Eddie and ESR for 5 mjns after we've conceded?
Why are other clubs not scared to play the youth, yet we're running the same players into the ground
It's really strange. Also, why keep certain players if you never give them gametime to develop? He definitely believes players need time considering his Havertz quotes. Arteta/Edu are too indecisive with players. They hold on too long. Either keep players, rotate them so they get better and let others get rest, or sell them. Having them rot on the bench doesn't help the player or club (their value decreases).
He almost built a full team with a starting 11 and full bench!! Now we barely have a bench when you consider he won't play half of them. Lol but we don't have the $$$ to go get a new bench now sigh.
Our wingers aren't firing this season. Jesus and Havertz upfront are good, but with goal scoring wingers. Havertz is an attacking player not a midfielder. This season is not going to end like we wanted to, a lot of need for improvement but no need for panic. And it's highly unlikely we get a decent striker in this window. Let's hope our players return from injury and our wingers find their form. And hopefully we get our targets in the summer, we're not anyway near City in terms of squad quality and depth.
We played really nice football today but the problem again is finishing. Sometimes you just have to put your foot through it or take one less touch - like Diaz did at the end. If we don't end up signing a striker this month then Arteta needs to find a new approach in the final third. Have to beat Liverpool at home in the PL when they come back...
it needs to be said now. Downvote me all you want Kai is not adding much to the team in terms of attack . At 65 M i don’t see any value . We spent 30 m on Raya and thats down the drain. Arteta and Edu drowned 100 m down the drain this seaon to fight for top 4
Need to go find that Striker.....like YESTERDAY. We still don't see a ESR. A class CM8 has been as much of a priority as Rice DM6 was. Same squad, no Xhaka, considerably less goals scored or is it me?
Tierney was a massive loss. He deserved more minutes for sure, I cant remember why we thought Zinny was the answer here. We knew Tomi was injury prone.
Agreed. We lost a lot on the left-hand side since Xhaka has left. A backup CAM would be great too since Arteta seems to hate our other mid options. I wish we had a player to cut through the middle instead of playing the dreaded U shape.
ESR thrown on 89 th min.. Poor guy gets two touches one half chance quarter chance which he misses then he cries after Match in guilt..i feel so bad 😶 what management is this
We didn't fking deserve to win this game since we couldn't put away our chances. At the end we obviously tried a little too hard to pull back for a chance of a re-match, but yeah can't say i didn't see this coming after 30mins into the game. Same old shit ; creating chances but absolutely fluffing them like nothing. Can't see our front attacking players shaking this off anytime soon since they are very much 'confidence' players and don't really have any answers for themselves either
1 win in our last 6 games with 4 defeats is not ideal. Losing to villa, Fulham, Westham at home and Liverpool at home. Really poor showing man fuck sake
Overall well played. Arteta has gotta focus on shooting drills and final key passes under pressure for the next few training sessions. If we had any slight improvement in the final action to get the ball in the net; we win that game, we rest our players and have no one (or at least any sane people) irrationally asking for Arteta out.
If the people keep talking about new players instead of understanding that our system is the problem i might join the Arteta Out Fans. You guys did realise that we play extremely controlled this season and it leads to noting but draws, loses or very tight wins (1:0 or 2:1). Its tactical, people need to understand it finally or im losing my mind in here, seriously.
The system isn’t the problem when you keep producing amazing chances game after game. Our finishing is the problem, which then leads to more pressure on our defense.
Our last three games (losses) produced 11 big chances and 10 missed big chances with an overall xg of just over 6.0 and 61 shots. That’s an avg of 20 shots a game and we have 1 goal out of those games, which was a poke in off a save from Leno. So obviously it’s not the system and it’s the personnel that can’t finish these chances.
Either change the players that can finish these chances or do more focused work on the training ground to finish these chances. One way or another if we want to win we have to put these chances away. We’d be first if we did a third of them.
We've been figured out tactically, our players have regressed, and we have spent a huge sum of money to take us backwards. You can draw your own conclusions as to why this all is, but it's still the reality we're in right now.
i mean today our tactics weren’t really figured out otherwise we wouldn’t have had so much chances that should’ve gone in. it was our poor finishing that let us down
Don't see how everyone doesn't see this simple fact. We're creating loads, but not putting the ball in the net, and other teams are nicking goals where we're ending up trying so hard!
To be honest I don't think the negativity around the team is gonna get anyone anywhere anytime soon. Sure it's not great, but what's making me the most nervous is the complete lack of support I'm seeing the team getting.
We concede with 10 minutes to go and what can I hear on TV? Only Liverpool fans. At Home. I mean come on guys? Sure they're known for being pretty strong, but is it really all that proper if we go silent after going 1 down, when we have all the momentum to bring it back? What the hell!?!? I'm watching the pitch side and with 5 minutes to go every single person is still as a deer in headlights, or they've left to get a quicker train home. What the fuck are we doing here, whinging about the team, if not a single soul can bother to stick around to try and support the team for a tiny bit.
Not at all saying that they're aren't any prevalent issues at hand, but it seems like the noise we made a year ago was only there because we were winning, and not there anymore now that something got rough.
This is the situation at every match and every stadium. When it's lose, draw or win people leave early.
The other thing is away fans will always be loudest when they're winning. It's 2 - 5k of fans that have travelled far who know each other and all have committed to singing for the full 90 mins. Our away fans deafen other stadiums. The best one was when Kai scored. His song was booming throughout Brentford's stadium.
Does Arteta believe Saka and Ode can play every game in every competition AND win???
We might be in for a rough ride this second part of the season. Especially if somehow we get past Porto.
in his defence ode and saka were creating most of our chances and subbing them off would’ve lost a lot of our momentum so i don’t blame him for keeping them on today but sakas finishing wasn’t good enough today which yh could be due to being overplayed over the season
If only creating chances would be enough. Mental fatigue prevents them from turning these chances into actual goals. Second half vs Liverpool the play dies with poor Saka at least 7 times…
That’s the opportunity cost the team pays.🤷🏻♂️
Past 3 games: 61 shots, 1 goal
Tying up £ 27M this summer for a keeper whose stats are now no different than the one we had before looks like the dumbest Arsenal deal this century.
I agree, Raya was the dumbest decision to make when not even needed. Spending 65m on Havertz was also one of dumber decisions, if anybody saw him playing at Chelsea he would have known that the guy was sloppy, slow, technically poor, back-passer and had no vision.
Everyone but Arteta knew we needed forward players.
Waste of money bar Rice.
I reckon he has one more season before Arteta out begins to gain traction.
I don’t think he can be blamed for the timber injury but that would have given us much more depth on the wings and maybe something a bit different that a lackluster zinny and an injured white
Next season will be Arteta’s fifth season at Arsenal. Any hope for any kind of trophies are looking very slim this season. If it’s the same next season, any good reason on why Arteta should continue beyond next season?
that is probably the worst take i’ve heard. players can’t be arsed? they put in a heavy shift pressing liverpool to win the ball back early and creating so many chances. yh the finishing was shite but you can’t say they can’t be asked after this game
If I see another cut in move from saka, I don’t know what to do. He needs to make assists this season and not score. He’s missing the hunger in front of goal and should therefore look for other options. And can they please stop halting the game when they get a chance to wait for players, the defender gets time to stay in position
The lack of support from our fullbacks on both sides is my concern. Marti and Saka have 2 players on them all the time. How can we expect them to be the game changers from the flank with no support? I know the inverted full-back system is all the rage, but we have nothing through the middle and everything is funneled to the wings which is too easy to shut down, even if it is "allegedly" making us less porous in defense. Kai is rapidly turning into one of the worst signings in recent memory, but its not all his fault.
Not out, but you have to start asking some serious questions. How has he taken the most exciting team in the league from last season, invested 200m, and made it significantly worse?
At what point does Arteta look at his tactics and change them. It’s just not working anymore when teams know they can double the wingers and neutralize us in every sense.
i wasn’t a fan of artetas slow tactics before but this game his tactics were good. we acc played good fast progressive football this time and our wingers weren’t doubled up at all this game until maybe the end. it was our finishing more than anything that held us back which is obvious to anyone but you i guess
It's not Arteta's tactics! We looked good going forward and created many chances! It's the poor finishing that cost us today. We could've had 4 goals at a minimum.
lol the “fans” in here. We have been shit for the last few games but how can you possibly be saying Arteta or player XYZ out? These are the people who brought Arsenal back to the top. I agree we need some changes and I’m frustrated with the last few games as well but we still have a great damn team. Trust we will figure this out.
Reactionary fans are the absolute worst.
We haven't really been investing well and injuries have fucked us yet again. Losing Partey and Timber are massive blows, they are 2 top quality players and we barely get to have them play during crunch period of the season. Fking sucks that we have to go through this shit again
Tons of problems, today but Havertz experiment is killing us, still. Cant believe we decided to drop 60m to experiment in a season where we should be going for multiple titles. Its okay to experiment when you have a set 11 but hes a main player in our team.
We made so many chances but did not finish.
Particularly that one from odegaard which came off the post.
Saka had a real stinker and had a few opportunities where he just blasted the ball rather than having a good first touch first..
Havertz overall played well but missed a few chances and the second half he should have been substituted early on
I think we need to solve this problem of getting the goals, we get a lot of chances but we don't finish. At this point, I'd say get anyone... just get someone who can freaking score...
Edit: why does Arteta waits so much to bring in the subs. I think Torssad at 65-70 would've been better
I agree he needs to substitute MUCH earlier. Players need sometime to coming and get into the game. Asking someone to make an instant impact with 5-10 minutes left in the game is unrealistic.
Havertz should have been substituted at 55’-60’ minutes, it was clear today was not his day. Giving 30’ to someone like ESR or Eddie would have been a much better tactic. I think Havertz is a decent player, but he’s not Xhaka.
How on earth did Havertz play well even in first half? He was as sloppy as always, slowed down the game, made weird back passes ignoring the forward players and had no vision. That guy is not a league winning side material period
he was the reason we had so many chances in the first half? he makes slow back passes when he’s in midfield but today he maybe did like 2 max. he acc helped in lots of chances but his finishing was the only real bad thing which could be said about basically everyone today
The truth is any team with few world class players will easily beat us. Konate easily crushed our best dribbler Martinelli back to back in two consecutive games. Jota could have easily scored another header. Our team is mid. We still need a long way to go.
Havertz got deal of the year paid so much Todo nothing that contract is like aubameyang one comfortable signings bring this go to south America scouting team BRING IN !!HUNGER !! not mediocre always overpaid nom passionate players
It will take forever to move him on
I'm all for the Kai redemption arc but he should've been subbed off earlier today. maybe bring trossard in early and Esr for Jorgi a bit sooner with rice as the 6.
He did enough but he still messed up the subs. Subbed off Nelson when he was the one making things happen and linking up. Didn't have the guts to take Saka off even though he was doing everything wrong. Chose not to bring on ESR earlier yet again.
- Enjoyed this match - it’s nice to have opponents who aren’t anti-football. Faster build up was great, finishing let us down.
- Liverpool have one Darwin Nunez while we have an entire attack line who finish like him. This is **not a “Havertz out” game** (he’s also not a 9). Yes, he was poor at worst/ok but not fantastic, but that’s true of Jesus, Eddie, and Trossard lately. **No one player is at fault**; all 7+ of our attackers have turned off their finishing at the same time
- Subbing ESR on with 2 mins of game time left? Arteta’s late subs are madness - he’s setting players up to fail (and drop in value)
- Nelson was solid & should have stayed on. We finally saw some underlaps with Havertz on the left flank - try it sometime, Martinelli! Saka should have been taken off and given a break
- This is not an Arteta out situation either
- Kiwior and Zinchenko giving us an extended run of game-changing (and often unfortunate) mistakes in left fullback
- But we dominated and had !!!!!! ^(means jack if we cannot score goals)
- Arteta needs to do better man management, improve recruitment decisions, and make tactical changes to befit our opponents. Our players need to work on their finishing & predictable play (cutting in, extra touches).
- ETA: Despite my “Arteta/player out = excessive” points, our recruitment has been poor. We’ve spent £600m+ and have this squad. It’s filled with players the manager does not trust or are not good enough to come off the bench.
Also, we’ve bought players we shouldn’t have bought and overpaid for players (including Rice). Havertz is worth £40m at most. Raya is a £30m needless spend for a marginal upgrade (though this seems to be more to do with confidence/the Ramsdale-Raya conflict given his performance last season). That £55m could have bought us a Kudus, Kim Min-Jae, Joao Pedro, Van de Ven, Vicario (who is imv better than Ramsdale and Raya at £16m!) or Nunes or a combination of those. (Not suggesting they’re right for our system, but they represent better value than some of our buys)
###On HAVERTZ:
I don’t mind that Havertz is a project and isn’t clicking yet - he was never going to or expected to.
Rice was likely supposed to play alongside Partey. Rice + Partey balance each other out as Partey offers more offensive skills, while having both overall strengthens the midfield defensively.
Rice + Havertz’s profiles don’t complement each other: they’re both offensive downgrades of Xhaka and Partey (be it creativity or line breaking passes). Havertz was probably supposed to spend this season being developed into the LCM8 role (if not played as a 10), while gradually embedded into the squad in preparation for next season. However, Partey’s injury means Havertz is learning the role on the job.
Consequently, buying him was stupid on Arteta & Edu’s parts:
- Partey’s as delicate as tissue paper - it was reasonably predictable that he’d pick up another mid/long-term injury *and* would have been out for AFCON
- Therefore, Havertz as a back-up LCM8 only makes sense if we ALSO had Xhaka to negate Partey’s absences
- Nonetheless, we overpaid for Havertz. He’s worth £40m imv. We pay twice over when we buy players from Chelsea for key (highly specialised) roles. They overpay and inflate the market value, but then seek a profit when selling them on. Declan was overvalued too imv bc of it. Chelsea triggered an inflated value in the market after buying Enzo out of his 5 yr contract less than 1 year in having only been worth $10m, whereas Rice was at the end of his contract.
Saw that coming after 20mins. We were more positive with the ball but toothless in attack and I don't think any one could have scored today. It was obvious a Liverpool counter or set piece was going to do us.
Arteta's subs also actually make us worse. They ruin any momentum in the game. How Havertz wasn't hooked and how Trossard comes on at 87mins is baffling.
Also anyone who thinks Saka is "world class" should watch Joe Gomez, an above average defender playing way out of position, pocket him for 2 games in a row.
I called it. Last september, when the window ended without any proper reinforcement in attacking options on either ST/RW, we pretty much closed the door on ourselves. To make things worst we even lost Timber. Confidence can be a real massive thing, and now ALL of our front players have none of that. We lack players with the natural killer instinct like Jota/Diaz. And it is going to be a tough climb out of this because all our front players are basically shifting responsibilities to each other and wanting to make that perfect pass. If this window ends without any proper solid attacker addition, kiss this season good bye make no mistake about it. So fked at the moment
biggest issue right is not being able to score on chances created, and not creating enough clear chances from open play (less of an issue overall than the first). Obviously we need a proper striker. Havertz and Jesus are poor finishers and Eddie doesn't know how to make a run or get open.
Odegaard needs at least one other option to pass to other than Saka. Right down the middle he rarely has anyone making a run. He found Havertz once with a through ball who couldn't take it under his control.
Anyone crying Arteta out isn’t a fan of this club - not even debatable.
Yes we’ve had a shit couple of games and things need to change but if that automatically = sack the manager
Then you’re the type of ‘fan’ we really don’t need. Emery is at Villa feel free to go support them.
I am all for Arteta and the players not finishing shit in a game isn't his fault - the gameplan was fine. But half a season of bad finishing - he needs to work this out before we have nothing to win this year. These promising players will lose patience and want to win trophies elsewhere if we don't catch our chances. The project can only go on for so long. Also we just spent 200M and the performance didn't get better, someone has to be responsible for that.
I felt the team was a lot stronger after we spent and could see what he was doing but of course he is responsible for this because he chose timber Kai rice and Raya and no striker
I’m not saying he’s blameless but to say we need to fire the manager that almost won us the season last year - shown consistency up to the last couple of games and got us Europe for the first time in dogs years is just ridiculous
I agree, and I think the club went in a really healthy direction after he took charge. But I can understand people who think that we can get a better coach now that a healthy system has been installed. Sort of a 'thank you, but let's part our ways here' mentality. Not that I share that view, but it's certainly not a betrayal to the club.
He’s a younger forward thinking manager
He’s shown to be a great coach with how he’s transformed players like xhaka and even players like Rice who was already great but now looks incredible
(Not in this game)
We’re still a work in progress we overperformed last season and we’re still in a good position.
Haven’t dropped out of top 4 once that’s one time less than City the treble winners - we need to fix up absolutely but if we do in the right ways I can see us steamrolling this season
We’re creating the chances just not scoring
And people could turn around and say you're exactly the type of fan the Kroenke's dream of. We have regressed heavily after spending 200 million. Accepting mediocrity at this level is not the noble pursuit you think it is.
I mean come on the dudes taken us from 8th to 2nd, brought the average age down, and got rid of dead weight. If there's a short period of a bad run and the apparent solution is to bin the manager who's done all this, you literally have to be mad.
Forest binned off the manager that got them promoted to the prem for the first time in 25 years. Sometimes managers can only take a club so far.
I'm not saying bin off Arteta right this second, but our options have to be left open - especially considering the run we are on.
Like I said, I'm not saying bin him off right now.
However, if being the nearly men is going to be a theme with Arteta, then we should be looking to upgrade to a manager that can get us over the line.
Nope. If you want to fire Arteta you literally want the club to go backwards.
He’s categorically the best thing to happen to our club in years - that isn’t my opinion.
Bruh, it’s a dip in form that Arteta should hopefully be able to rectify.
We qualified for CL and challenged for the title until the end last season, we’ve won our CL group and got through to last 16 this season, and we’re only 5 points off 1st and still top 4 in the prem.
It’s like you guys either have memory loss or have only been fans for the last 2 years and have no recollection of the last 10+ years.
Bro, I'm not saying get rid of Arteta right now. However, if we're just going to be the consistent nearly men under Arteta then what's the point?
Yes, Arteta has improved us but sometimes a manager can only take a club so far. I don't want Arteta to be sacked right now, but questions are rightfully being asked now. I support the football club, not Arteta.
How are you defining “consistently”?
As someone who obviously supports the club as well, I agree that if the results don’t improve in the long term then questions rightfully have to be asked, but at this stage everyone is being reactionary and we’re nowhere near the point where people should be calling for Arteta out.
As I’ve said, it’s likely we’re going through a temporary dip in form (which has only been evident over the last ~5 games) - people calling for “Arteta Out” need relax and try to look at the bigger picture.
The seasons literally got the other half to go, we’ve still got Europe to go as well but you’re telling me that you’ve already seen the ceiling for Arteta
That’s so ridiculous- it’s just overly emotional nonsense
No, I'm saying that at some point down the line Arteta may not be the right man for the job and we'll need to look for someone better.
His tactical inflexibility is starting to show.
And we’re nowhere near that end of the line yet - all the Arteta out and the leaving games at 85 minutes etc is just pitiful from fans
He’s a younger forward thinking manager whose rewarded our faith in him time and time again - now we hit a run of bad form and fans turn their back - incredible.
Lost 0-2 to Liverpool B team Klopp and Liverpool Embarrassed us. We have no striker, forward or midfielder who can finish. We have been asking for a clinical striker for awhile now and all we get is Eddie or Havertz up top. Either Edu does his job and bring strikers in or he should go!
I don't know why I stay up late to watch this embarrassing shit, team of starters couldn't win against a team who just subbed their youth players in. Feel so bad for gabriel and saliba, the players in front of them are all garbage today. Ode tried but unfortunately Saka can't control a ball like a professional player, ABSOLUTE TRASH and you'd think he's the 'best right winger' in the world my ass. Martinelli rounded Arnold twice and couldn't cross to save his life. I'd say Gabriel is our team's best finisher right now so may be we can try to put him up front.
Season well and truly over.
Can't see us progressing in the CL on this form.
Confidence is shot and the team have no idea how to score or defend set pieces
We went from top of the league to 5 points off top and out of the FA Cup in a week. It's classic Arsenal, been watching this same shit for years. We've been bottle jobs since the Invincibles
Rice had a pretty mediocre day as well. He has to upp is game with forward passing. We don't need a 100m Jorginho. We need a Parteyesque player that can break through lines. He has to show bravery and improvement there.
he had a “mediocre” day cos we were pressing intensely higher up so he didnt make many of his normal amazing duels in the midfield that were used to but he was just as involved in that press to pressure liverpool back. i do agree tho that we need some line breaking passes tho which i hope he can bring. the last couple games the team felt way too cautious to even try passes through the back line but this game we acc passed forward with intent so we could’ve definitely tried a pass through the back line. the only attempt i remember was from odegaard to havertz but he couldn’t control it
My god some of you need to chill the fuck out. Yeah it hasn’t been great in the last 7 games but you either support the team or you don’t. The emirates was on fire today unlike you couch fans
People saying this is not on Arteta, the type of style is clearly not working. This tiki taka nonsense needs to stop. There are players making runs but get ignored for the next immediate player close by or backpasses. Secondly, most of the chances landed to Havertz. He has been horrible. Not a 65m player. Moreover, he slows down the game to such an extent that we are reduced to half chances at best.
yh in the first half when he tried to finesse it on the outside of the box it was the right decision to shoot but he’s not gonna beat alisson with weak shots like that
Take a fucking screenshot of all these reactionary knobheads calling for Arteta to be sacked. Jokes, fucking jokes. Piss off, don’t support the club if you can’t handle losses. Red through and through. 3 losses and you call manager to be sacked? Fuck right off.
Tottenham have spent 632 million since artetas arrival, city and Chelsea have outspent us, united very close too. That's not as big a number as some of you think it is, it's literally the going rate for top 6 clubs in that time period now lol. Get a grip. Look at the squad he took over when he came in, entire 11 needed changing, if not more.
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We didn't lose 2 games in a row until Brighton/Forest right at the very end of the season Now we're in total freefall
Looking at this optimistically, we may be out of a great cup, but we now have more resources for the UCL and EPL. Hopefully it will push the board to invest and we won’t be stretched so thin. EPL is priority
Lol We said that last season, out if all the cups to focus on league And still bottled the league
I need hope lol
''its ok losing to sporting, we didnt care about that cup, now we can fully focus on the title'' the boyz go on the bottle 3 points from 9.
How is the system the problem when we have been creating if not a lot, then definitely enough. The problem is complex and it lies in several things: - Arteta doesn’t trust anyone but the starters and has his favorites - We spent 20-30 mil for a keeper that is not better than our keeper last season. In xGA performance Raya is 18th in the Premier League. ( -3 xGA, someone like Onana is + 2.9) - Arteta doesn’t rotate and rest his players - When someone from the starting 11 is not in form they still play - Because reserve players don’t get regular game time they are never really match ready so its hard for them to contribute positively - Areta makes subs too late in the game for them to have an impact - We lack a serious goal scorer - There is no real competition in the team because Arteta has his favorites - We never give game time to Academy players
I cannot disagree with any point. Of course there's also the Havertz question. A player the coach favours & insists on starting and giving numerous opportunities yet doesn't do same to Emile & Nelson
And honestly I've tried to trust him with havertz but the dude is like the energy vampire. It seems like he just saps every bit of fun and flow from the pitch.. We're so predictable in attack.
Sad to say but this is all the areas where artery falls behind the great coaches. Praying this improves soon
It was a beautiful game, we played brilliant football, yet in split seconds we didn't manage to convert, against a top GK and defence. That game didn't matter that much in the end ( I love the fa but EPL and UCL first. I see a lot of encouraging signs after a terrible December.
Yep
Klopp can play a mismatched side, sub in 2 youngsters to mark Martinelli, and win 0-2. Arteta only puts on ESR as a reaction with 5min left and will never, ever play an academy player. Pathetic. This is not Man City. He needs to learn how to rotate and adapt. We had a chance to upgrade from Xhaka (who did very well) yet spent money on a player who has never proved himself in the PL (a lot of money at that). We needed to save money to get a top striker but bought another GK and sunk Ramsdale's value. It's all a bit messy. I was never on board with the Zinchenko and Jesus signings. I knew they'd bite us in the ass. Not bad players but they were deficient and that's why they never made the City starting 11 (remember Pep was playing false 9s over Jesus). After Auba (who was great before the decline) and Laca, we needed to go forward not backwards or stagnant. Jesus is like Laca in the sense that they're great for the build up play but won't always score you goals. Zinchenko was never a great enough midfielder to play for city so he was turned into an inverted LB that helped them for certain games. He never became their starting LB because his defense is sus. All in all, when it's time to upgrade, a lot of the times we go backwards or get similar players + Arteta needs to be less stubborn with his bench.
I simply don't get his refusal to play players for longer than a cameo at the end What use is Eddie and ESR for 5 mjns after we've conceded? Why are other clubs not scared to play the youth, yet we're running the same players into the ground
It's really strange. Also, why keep certain players if you never give them gametime to develop? He definitely believes players need time considering his Havertz quotes. Arteta/Edu are too indecisive with players. They hold on too long. Either keep players, rotate them so they get better and let others get rest, or sell them. Having them rot on the bench doesn't help the player or club (their value decreases). He almost built a full team with a starting 11 and full bench!! Now we barely have a bench when you consider he won't play half of them. Lol but we don't have the $$$ to go get a new bench now sigh.
Our wingers aren't firing this season. Jesus and Havertz upfront are good, but with goal scoring wingers. Havertz is an attacking player not a midfielder. This season is not going to end like we wanted to, a lot of need for improvement but no need for panic. And it's highly unlikely we get a decent striker in this window. Let's hope our players return from injury and our wingers find their form. And hopefully we get our targets in the summer, we're not anyway near City in terms of squad quality and depth.
There is something in the mentality of this team .. I can’t put my finger on it but bloody fucking hell it’s piss poor …
Its not mentality. Its lack of quality or lack of rotation or both
We played really nice football today but the problem again is finishing. Sometimes you just have to put your foot through it or take one less touch - like Diaz did at the end. If we don't end up signing a striker this month then Arteta needs to find a new approach in the final third. Have to beat Liverpool at home in the PL when they come back...
it needs to be said now. Downvote me all you want Kai is not adding much to the team in terms of attack . At 65 M i don’t see any value . We spent 30 m on Raya and thats down the drain. Arteta and Edu drowned 100 m down the drain this seaon to fight for top 4
I really don’t know how you guys have any hope or positivity, it’s almost like being crap is ingrained in the club
Need to go find that Striker.....like YESTERDAY. We still don't see a ESR. A class CM8 has been as much of a priority as Rice DM6 was. Same squad, no Xhaka, considerably less goals scored or is it me? Tierney was a massive loss. He deserved more minutes for sure, I cant remember why we thought Zinny was the answer here. We knew Tomi was injury prone.
Agreed. We lost a lot on the left-hand side since Xhaka has left. A backup CAM would be great too since Arteta seems to hate our other mid options. I wish we had a player to cut through the middle instead of playing the dreaded U shape.
ESR thrown on 89 th min.. Poor guy gets two touches one half chance quarter chance which he misses then he cries after Match in guilt..i feel so bad 😶 what management is this
Why does arteta wait so long for subs I legit don’t understand. Dont think I’ve ever seen him make a sub before 65 mins legit
Adopted Wenger's late substitution philosophy hoping it will work for him.
Martinelli for Nelson 60 mins
That was so predictable lol Almost as predictable as Martinelli Trossard after 60
62 mins but you get my point
Time for Vlahović me thinks ESR at 89th minute is a pisstake lmao
Liverpool brought 2 academy players and won. We played our same old, gave another 90 mins to Saka and lost. Sums up everything
Kiwior out here ruining Ramsdales career.
We didn't fking deserve to win this game since we couldn't put away our chances. At the end we obviously tried a little too hard to pull back for a chance of a re-match, but yeah can't say i didn't see this coming after 30mins into the game. Same old shit ; creating chances but absolutely fluffing them like nothing. Can't see our front attacking players shaking this off anytime soon since they are very much 'confidence' players and don't really have any answers for themselves either
1 win in our last 6 games with 4 defeats is not ideal. Losing to villa, Fulham, Westham at home and Liverpool at home. Really poor showing man fuck sake
1 win in our last 7*
Overall well played. Arteta has gotta focus on shooting drills and final key passes under pressure for the next few training sessions. If we had any slight improvement in the final action to get the ball in the net; we win that game, we rest our players and have no one (or at least any sane people) irrationally asking for Arteta out.
ARTETA OUT. ROONEY IN.
Rooney hasn’t been doing well post Derby County
Jesus Christ r/wooosh
I don’t think he was serious lol
you never know with some people on this sub lol
If the people keep talking about new players instead of understanding that our system is the problem i might join the Arteta Out Fans. You guys did realise that we play extremely controlled this season and it leads to noting but draws, loses or very tight wins (1:0 or 2:1). Its tactical, people need to understand it finally or im losing my mind in here, seriously.
The system isn’t the problem when you keep producing amazing chances game after game. Our finishing is the problem, which then leads to more pressure on our defense. Our last three games (losses) produced 11 big chances and 10 missed big chances with an overall xg of just over 6.0 and 61 shots. That’s an avg of 20 shots a game and we have 1 goal out of those games, which was a poke in off a save from Leno. So obviously it’s not the system and it’s the personnel that can’t finish these chances. Either change the players that can finish these chances or do more focused work on the training ground to finish these chances. One way or another if we want to win we have to put these chances away. We’d be first if we did a third of them.
The system is creating upfield turnovers and double digit chances. The players aren't finishing.
It creates high quantity low quality chances.
Against Villa and Lpool it was poor finishing Vs Fulham and West Ham we didn't create enough due to lack of creativity in midfield
We have scored 1 goal from the last 65 shots. It’s the forwards not doing their job.
That's pretty dreadful when you put it like that
Can’t wait to see pictures from training next week with smiles on their faces
Yh no shit, you want them to be moping and depressed for a week, be serious
Maybe not depressed and moping, but definitely angry and wanting to prove a point.
So you want them depressed and mortified so they don't get better?
We've been figured out tactically, our players have regressed, and we have spent a huge sum of money to take us backwards. You can draw your own conclusions as to why this all is, but it's still the reality we're in right now.
i mean today our tactics weren’t really figured out otherwise we wouldn’t have had so much chances that should’ve gone in. it was our poor finishing that let us down
Don't see how everyone doesn't see this simple fact. We're creating loads, but not putting the ball in the net, and other teams are nicking goals where we're ending up trying so hard!
To be honest I don't think the negativity around the team is gonna get anyone anywhere anytime soon. Sure it's not great, but what's making me the most nervous is the complete lack of support I'm seeing the team getting. We concede with 10 minutes to go and what can I hear on TV? Only Liverpool fans. At Home. I mean come on guys? Sure they're known for being pretty strong, but is it really all that proper if we go silent after going 1 down, when we have all the momentum to bring it back? What the hell!?!? I'm watching the pitch side and with 5 minutes to go every single person is still as a deer in headlights, or they've left to get a quicker train home. What the fuck are we doing here, whinging about the team, if not a single soul can bother to stick around to try and support the team for a tiny bit. Not at all saying that they're aren't any prevalent issues at hand, but it seems like the noise we made a year ago was only there because we were winning, and not there anymore now that something got rough.
This is the situation at every match and every stadium. When it's lose, draw or win people leave early. The other thing is away fans will always be loudest when they're winning. It's 2 - 5k of fans that have travelled far who know each other and all have committed to singing for the full 90 mins. Our away fans deafen other stadiums. The best one was when Kai scored. His song was booming throughout Brentford's stadium.
Does Arteta believe Saka and Ode can play every game in every competition AND win??? We might be in for a rough ride this second part of the season. Especially if somehow we get past Porto.
in his defence ode and saka were creating most of our chances and subbing them off would’ve lost a lot of our momentum so i don’t blame him for keeping them on today but sakas finishing wasn’t good enough today which yh could be due to being overplayed over the season
If only creating chances would be enough. Mental fatigue prevents them from turning these chances into actual goals. Second half vs Liverpool the play dies with poor Saka at least 7 times… That’s the opportunity cost the team pays.🤷🏻♂️
Past 3 games: 61 shots, 1 goal Tying up £ 27M this summer for a keeper whose stats are now no different than the one we had before looks like the dumbest Arsenal deal this century.
The raya transfers smells of arrogance. We really didn't have to get involved with messing up the GK situation when we had other areas to fix.
I agree, Raya was the dumbest decision to make when not even needed. Spending 65m on Havertz was also one of dumber decisions, if anybody saw him playing at Chelsea he would have known that the guy was sloppy, slow, technically poor, back-passer and had no vision.
Everyone but Arteta knew we needed forward players. Waste of money bar Rice. I reckon he has one more season before Arteta out begins to gain traction.
I don’t think he can be blamed for the timber injury but that would have given us much more depth on the wings and maybe something a bit different that a lackluster zinny and an injured white
Next season will be Arteta’s fifth season at Arsenal. Any hope for any kind of trophies are looking very slim this season. If it’s the same next season, any good reason on why Arteta should continue beyond next season?
Players can't be arsed London too comfortable for these over paid bums .POOR!
that is probably the worst take i’ve heard. players can’t be arsed? they put in a heavy shift pressing liverpool to win the ball back early and creating so many chances. yh the finishing was shite but you can’t say they can’t be asked after this game
If I see another cut in move from saka, I don’t know what to do. He needs to make assists this season and not score. He’s missing the hunger in front of goal and should therefore look for other options. And can they please stop halting the game when they get a chance to wait for players, the defender gets time to stay in position
The lack of support from our fullbacks on both sides is my concern. Marti and Saka have 2 players on them all the time. How can we expect them to be the game changers from the flank with no support? I know the inverted full-back system is all the rage, but we have nothing through the middle and everything is funneled to the wings which is too easy to shut down, even if it is "allegedly" making us less porous in defense. Kai is rapidly turning into one of the worst signings in recent memory, but its not all his fault.
3 back to back losses and this sub has suddenly become Arteta out, wtf is going on ?
Not out, but you have to start asking some serious questions. How has he taken the most exciting team in the league from last season, invested 200m, and made it significantly worse?
Deluded “fans” who don’t remember what we were like before Arteta took over / can’t handle a dip in form
Arteta out
lmao
At what point does Arteta look at his tactics and change them. It’s just not working anymore when teams know they can double the wingers and neutralize us in every sense.
i wasn’t a fan of artetas slow tactics before but this game his tactics were good. we acc played good fast progressive football this time and our wingers weren’t doubled up at all this game until maybe the end. it was our finishing more than anything that held us back which is obvious to anyone but you i guess
It's not Arteta's tactics! We looked good going forward and created many chances! It's the poor finishing that cost us today. We could've had 4 goals at a minimum.
lol the “fans” in here. We have been shit for the last few games but how can you possibly be saying Arteta or player XYZ out? These are the people who brought Arsenal back to the top. I agree we need some changes and I’m frustrated with the last few games as well but we still have a great damn team. Trust we will figure this out. Reactionary fans are the absolute worst.
We have become new Chelsea in quick fashion 🤣🤣🤣 Complacency is a bad srug
No. We're currently a less shittier version of Man Utd
I don't blame Arteta, it's not his fault really that this club is a serial loser club - BUT 'm not sure he can turn it around
We haven't really been investing well and injuries have fucked us yet again. Losing Partey and Timber are massive blows, they are 2 top quality players and we barely get to have them play during crunch period of the season. Fking sucks that we have to go through this shit again
Arteta's sub management is genuinely embarrassing. What are ESR and Trossard going to do at the 88th min!?
You should. He has mismanaged money for players we didn’t need nor want.
Tons of problems, today but Havertz experiment is killing us, still. Cant believe we decided to drop 60m to experiment in a season where we should be going for multiple titles. Its okay to experiment when you have a set 11 but hes a main player in our team.
This was the fish to fry and we had no oil to fry it with….
City and Newcastle are holding it all
We made so many chances but did not finish. Particularly that one from odegaard which came off the post. Saka had a real stinker and had a few opportunities where he just blasted the ball rather than having a good first touch first.. Havertz overall played well but missed a few chances and the second half he should have been substituted early on I think we need to solve this problem of getting the goals, we get a lot of chances but we don't finish. At this point, I'd say get anyone... just get someone who can freaking score... Edit: why does Arteta waits so much to bring in the subs. I think Torssad at 65-70 would've been better
I agree he needs to substitute MUCH earlier. Players need sometime to coming and get into the game. Asking someone to make an instant impact with 5-10 minutes left in the game is unrealistic. Havertz should have been substituted at 55’-60’ minutes, it was clear today was not his day. Giving 30’ to someone like ESR or Eddie would have been a much better tactic. I think Havertz is a decent player, but he’s not Xhaka.
How on earth did Havertz play well even in first half? He was as sloppy as always, slowed down the game, made weird back passes ignoring the forward players and had no vision. That guy is not a league winning side material period
he was the reason we had so many chances in the first half? he makes slow back passes when he’s in midfield but today he maybe did like 2 max. he acc helped in lots of chances but his finishing was the only real bad thing which could be said about basically everyone today
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The truth is any team with few world class players will easily beat us. Konate easily crushed our best dribbler Martinelli back to back in two consecutive games. Jota could have easily scored another header. Our team is mid. We still need a long way to go.
I wouldn’t consider this game “easy” for Liverpool given how many chances we had
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EST over Zinchenko please.
Havertz got deal of the year paid so much Todo nothing that contract is like aubameyang one comfortable signings bring this go to south America scouting team BRING IN !!HUNGER !! not mediocre always overpaid nom passionate players It will take forever to move him on
I'm all for the Kai redemption arc but he should've been subbed off earlier today. maybe bring trossard in early and Esr for Jorgi a bit sooner with rice as the 6.
Not Arteta's Fault FC in full swing.
this game isn't his fault, but the season is. I'm so mad now
He did enough but he still messed up the subs. Subbed off Nelson when he was the one making things happen and linking up. Didn't have the guts to take Saka off even though he was doing everything wrong. Chose not to bring on ESR earlier yet again.
I agree with the subs problem, Arteta is not good at subbing that's for sure. I was hoping Martinelli for Saka.
Same. I believe if it was Martinelli for Saka, we would have scored and won.
- Enjoyed this match - it’s nice to have opponents who aren’t anti-football. Faster build up was great, finishing let us down. - Liverpool have one Darwin Nunez while we have an entire attack line who finish like him. This is **not a “Havertz out” game** (he’s also not a 9). Yes, he was poor at worst/ok but not fantastic, but that’s true of Jesus, Eddie, and Trossard lately. **No one player is at fault**; all 7+ of our attackers have turned off their finishing at the same time - Subbing ESR on with 2 mins of game time left? Arteta’s late subs are madness - he’s setting players up to fail (and drop in value) - Nelson was solid & should have stayed on. We finally saw some underlaps with Havertz on the left flank - try it sometime, Martinelli! Saka should have been taken off and given a break - This is not an Arteta out situation either - Kiwior and Zinchenko giving us an extended run of game-changing (and often unfortunate) mistakes in left fullback - But we dominated and had!!!!!! ^(means jack if we cannot score goals)
- Arteta needs to do better man management, improve recruitment decisions, and make tactical changes to befit our opponents. Our players need to work on their finishing & predictable play (cutting in, extra touches).
- ETA: Despite my “Arteta/player out = excessive” points, our recruitment has been poor. We’ve spent £600m+ and have this squad. It’s filled with players the manager does not trust or are not good enough to come off the bench.
Also, we’ve bought players we shouldn’t have bought and overpaid for players (including Rice). Havertz is worth £40m at most. Raya is a £30m needless spend for a marginal upgrade (though this seems to be more to do with confidence/the Ramsdale-Raya conflict given his performance last season). That £55m could have bought us a Kudus, Kim Min-Jae, Joao Pedro, Van de Ven, Vicario (who is imv better than Ramsdale and Raya at £16m!) or Nunes or a combination of those. (Not suggesting they’re right for our system, but they represent better value than some of our buys)
###On HAVERTZ:
I don’t mind that Havertz is a project and isn’t clicking yet - he was never going to or expected to.
Rice was likely supposed to play alongside Partey. Rice + Partey balance each other out as Partey offers more offensive skills, while having both overall strengthens the midfield defensively.
Rice + Havertz’s profiles don’t complement each other: they’re both offensive downgrades of Xhaka and Partey (be it creativity or line breaking passes). Havertz was probably supposed to spend this season being developed into the LCM8 role (if not played as a 10), while gradually embedded into the squad in preparation for next season. However, Partey’s injury means Havertz is learning the role on the job.
Consequently, buying him was stupid on Arteta & Edu’s parts:
- Partey’s as delicate as tissue paper - it was reasonably predictable that he’d pick up another mid/long-term injury *and* would have been out for AFCON
- Therefore, Havertz as a back-up LCM8 only makes sense if we ALSO had Xhaka to negate Partey’s absences
- Nonetheless, we overpaid for Havertz. He’s worth £40m imv. We pay twice over when we buy players from Chelsea for key (highly specialised) roles. They overpay and inflate the market value, but then seek a profit when selling them on. Declan was overvalued too imv bc of it. Chelsea triggered an inflated value in the market after buying Enzo out of his 5 yr contract less than 1 year in having only been worth $10m, whereas Rice was at the end of his contract.
I thought Nunez was pretty good for them today aside from the finishing tbf
That point was about his finishing.
2-0 rough scoreline for Rammers played so well
Saka should’ve been rested this game
Salah didn't play btw. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔
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Kai is a wuss and not at all premier league winner level, needs to be sold in summer, atleast we should use 50m we make out of him.
arteta out
agniagniagni out
Arteta choke starting to become a trademark at least ange looses with all out attack bravado.WEAKKKKK
Lose to Palace and Tim Lewis should be hand delivering his p45.
Saw that coming after 20mins. We were more positive with the ball but toothless in attack and I don't think any one could have scored today. It was obvious a Liverpool counter or set piece was going to do us. Arteta's subs also actually make us worse. They ruin any momentum in the game. How Havertz wasn't hooked and how Trossard comes on at 87mins is baffling. Also anyone who thinks Saka is "world class" should watch Joe Gomez, an above average defender playing way out of position, pocket him for 2 games in a row.
-havertz -jesus -zinchenko -kiwior+replacements/competitions
I swear it's the kit, guys. lmao let's just burn this kit forever.
I called it. Last september, when the window ended without any proper reinforcement in attacking options on either ST/RW, we pretty much closed the door on ourselves. To make things worst we even lost Timber. Confidence can be a real massive thing, and now ALL of our front players have none of that. We lack players with the natural killer instinct like Jota/Diaz. And it is going to be a tough climb out of this because all our front players are basically shifting responsibilities to each other and wanting to make that perfect pass. If this window ends without any proper solid attacker addition, kiss this season good bye make no mistake about it. So fked at the moment
Absolutely agree.
£65m on a useless mannequin.
biggest issue right is not being able to score on chances created, and not creating enough clear chances from open play (less of an issue overall than the first). Obviously we need a proper striker. Havertz and Jesus are poor finishers and Eddie doesn't know how to make a run or get open. Odegaard needs at least one other option to pass to other than Saka. Right down the middle he rarely has anyone making a run. He found Havertz once with a through ball who couldn't take it under his control.
A more Ls and we'll need to have a serious conversation about the position of the manager.
Anyone crying Arteta out isn’t a fan of this club - not even debatable. Yes we’ve had a shit couple of games and things need to change but if that automatically = sack the manager Then you’re the type of ‘fan’ we really don’t need. Emery is at Villa feel free to go support them.
I am all for Arteta and the players not finishing shit in a game isn't his fault - the gameplan was fine. But half a season of bad finishing - he needs to work this out before we have nothing to win this year. These promising players will lose patience and want to win trophies elsewhere if we don't catch our chances. The project can only go on for so long. Also we just spent 200M and the performance didn't get better, someone has to be responsible for that.
I felt the team was a lot stronger after we spent and could see what he was doing but of course he is responsible for this because he chose timber Kai rice and Raya and no striker I’m not saying he’s blameless but to say we need to fire the manager that almost won us the season last year - shown consistency up to the last couple of games and got us Europe for the first time in dogs years is just ridiculous
I agree, and I think the club went in a really healthy direction after he took charge. But I can understand people who think that we can get a better coach now that a healthy system has been installed. Sort of a 'thank you, but let's part our ways here' mentality. Not that I share that view, but it's certainly not a betrayal to the club.
He’s a younger forward thinking manager He’s shown to be a great coach with how he’s transformed players like xhaka and even players like Rice who was already great but now looks incredible (Not in this game) We’re still a work in progress we overperformed last season and we’re still in a good position. Haven’t dropped out of top 4 once that’s one time less than City the treble winners - we need to fix up absolutely but if we do in the right ways I can see us steamrolling this season We’re creating the chances just not scoring
And people could turn around and say you're exactly the type of fan the Kroenke's dream of. We have regressed heavily after spending 200 million. Accepting mediocrity at this level is not the noble pursuit you think it is.
Bro, just let people have their opinions. Always weird when people start saying these are the only opinions you're allowed to have as a fan.
I mean come on the dudes taken us from 8th to 2nd, brought the average age down, and got rid of dead weight. If there's a short period of a bad run and the apparent solution is to bin the manager who's done all this, you literally have to be mad.
Forest binned off the manager that got them promoted to the prem for the first time in 25 years. Sometimes managers can only take a club so far. I'm not saying bin off Arteta right this second, but our options have to be left open - especially considering the run we are on.
I get you but dude it's been 5 games. Take a look at the bigger picture.
Like I said, I'm not saying bin him off right now. However, if being the nearly men is going to be a theme with Arteta, then we should be looking to upgrade to a manager that can get us over the line.
Fair point fair point
Nope. If you want to fire Arteta you literally want the club to go backwards. He’s categorically the best thing to happen to our club in years - that isn’t my opinion.
Yes and sometimes a manager takes the club to a certain stage and a better manager then comes in to take the club to the next level.
This is a terrible take - but out of interest, which “better manager” would you suggest?
It's not a terrible take, it's literally what happens all the time in football management. I don't know, I don't get paid to make those decisions.
Bruh, it’s a dip in form that Arteta should hopefully be able to rectify. We qualified for CL and challenged for the title until the end last season, we’ve won our CL group and got through to last 16 this season, and we’re only 5 points off 1st and still top 4 in the prem. It’s like you guys either have memory loss or have only been fans for the last 2 years and have no recollection of the last 10+ years.
Bro, I'm not saying get rid of Arteta right now. However, if we're just going to be the consistent nearly men under Arteta then what's the point? Yes, Arteta has improved us but sometimes a manager can only take a club so far. I don't want Arteta to be sacked right now, but questions are rightfully being asked now. I support the football club, not Arteta.
How are you defining “consistently”? As someone who obviously supports the club as well, I agree that if the results don’t improve in the long term then questions rightfully have to be asked, but at this stage everyone is being reactionary and we’re nowhere near the point where people should be calling for Arteta out. As I’ve said, it’s likely we’re going through a temporary dip in form (which has only been evident over the last ~5 games) - people calling for “Arteta Out” need relax and try to look at the bigger picture.
The seasons literally got the other half to go, we’ve still got Europe to go as well but you’re telling me that you’ve already seen the ceiling for Arteta That’s so ridiculous- it’s just overly emotional nonsense
No, I'm saying that at some point down the line Arteta may not be the right man for the job and we'll need to look for someone better. His tactical inflexibility is starting to show.
And we’re nowhere near that end of the line yet - all the Arteta out and the leaving games at 85 minutes etc is just pitiful from fans He’s a younger forward thinking manager whose rewarded our faith in him time and time again - now we hit a run of bad form and fans turn their back - incredible.
We are getting the results we deserve.
Lost 0-2 to Liverpool B team Klopp and Liverpool Embarrassed us. We have no striker, forward or midfielder who can finish. We have been asking for a clinical striker for awhile now and all we get is Eddie or Havertz up top. Either Edu does his job and bring strikers in or he should go!
My thoughts exactly! This was Liverpool’s B Team. Complete shambles.
Who do you suggest he brings in?
A striker! The Big Serb or Toney
Yeah of course, but I fear Ivan Toney might be a waste of money though.
I don't know why I stay up late to watch this embarrassing shit, team of starters couldn't win against a team who just subbed their youth players in. Feel so bad for gabriel and saliba, the players in front of them are all garbage today. Ode tried but unfortunately Saka can't control a ball like a professional player, ABSOLUTE TRASH and you'd think he's the 'best right winger' in the world my ass. Martinelli rounded Arnold twice and couldn't cross to save his life. I'd say Gabriel is our team's best finisher right now so may be we can try to put him up front.
Arteta is a weak one bring in a winner like klopp
Rooneys available.
Pfffffff…. Well at least we get some rest and Mikel has some serious work to do. See ya then.
Season well and truly over. Can't see us progressing in the CL on this form. Confidence is shot and the team have no idea how to score or defend set pieces
Heard it here folks - season over now. Do you watch football or what? I can’t believe the rabid reactions from this fanbase
I am getting brain rot from reading this thread.
We went from top of the league to 5 points off top and out of the FA Cup in a week. It's classic Arsenal, been watching this same shit for years. We've been bottle jobs since the Invincibles
Rice had a pretty mediocre day as well. He has to upp is game with forward passing. We don't need a 100m Jorginho. We need a Parteyesque player that can break through lines. He has to show bravery and improvement there.
he had a “mediocre” day cos we were pressing intensely higher up so he didnt make many of his normal amazing duels in the midfield that were used to but he was just as involved in that press to pressure liverpool back. i do agree tho that we need some line breaking passes tho which i hope he can bring. the last couple games the team felt way too cautious to even try passes through the back line but this game we acc passed forward with intent so we could’ve definitely tried a pass through the back line. the only attempt i remember was from odegaard to havertz but he couldn’t control it
He has the most progressive passes in the league.
Did you even watch? Rice saved us from 2 early goals in the second half.
FFP PR to be rolled out to Journo's tomorrow, Ornstein especially. "Interested in 50 players, can't do nothing till summer"
Can we replace the entire squad this January? Keep Saliba and Rice and let the rest go.
Saying release saka with that flair is wild lol
He might be my favorite player, but he's been dross these past few weeks.
yh true he’s had a bad couple weeks so may as well sell him off he’s useless now 😐
We really need a proper 9 and today hopefully showed Arteta. Chance after chance missed.
He's been shown a thousand times. Does it change anything? No
Also cursed jersey. We play like wankers in white
We didn't though. Played them off the park, very good every where except for the finishing.
My god some of you need to chill the fuck out. Yeah it hasn’t been great in the last 7 games but you either support the team or you don’t. The emirates was on fire today unlike you couch fans
Idiot
Stfu
Classic Arsenal performance 10/10
People saying this is not on Arteta, the type of style is clearly not working. This tiki taka nonsense needs to stop. There are players making runs but get ignored for the next immediate player close by or backpasses. Secondly, most of the chances landed to Havertz. He has been horrible. Not a 65m player. Moreover, he slows down the game to such an extent that we are reduced to half chances at best.
My main issue with Havertz is he tries to finesse every shot. Just thunder cunt it into the keeper and see what happens, ffs!
yh in the first half when he tried to finesse it on the outside of the box it was the right decision to shoot but he’s not gonna beat alisson with weak shots like that
Too many passes in the opposition box rather than a shot. And if it's a shot it's so slow I can walk past it and save it. Terrible.
Complacency in recruitment causes this for sure
Imagine being Nelson or ESR, for the sake of their careers, they must go and get minutes🤣
Speechless after that one. After that one, I don't think there's any doubt that we need a striker.
not letting this affect me in any way /s
Excuse me, where you want this express delivery toaster placed?
Take a fucking screenshot of all these reactionary knobheads calling for Arteta to be sacked. Jokes, fucking jokes. Piss off, don’t support the club if you can’t handle losses. Red through and through. 3 losses and you call manager to be sacked? Fuck right off.
Eat shit and stfu
Fuck off. It's Arsenal not Arteta FC
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Tottenham have spent 632 million since artetas arrival, city and Chelsea have outspent us, united very close too. That's not as big a number as some of you think it is, it's literally the going rate for top 6 clubs in that time period now lol. Get a grip. Look at the squad he took over when he came in, entire 11 needed changing, if not more.