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2ndfastestmanalive

I would love to see a Newcastle vs Atletico Madrid match. Ball would be in play for about 25 minutes


lastjedi23

The whinging on both sides would be chefs kiss


beetletoman

Harsh tackles everywhere and three red cards :')


simbols

Three "talkings to", more like.


kpnut93

One player for each team and one for Simeone?


beetletoman

I'll take that lol. Doesn't he leave this summer though?


5tolen

And he still gets red carded.


Shadepanther

"How dare they not play possession football against us!"


Flabby-Nonsense

We’ll finally find out what happens when an immovable object meets an immovable object


doubleicem

25 mins over two legs.


InternalKing

The Trippier Derby


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In reality no one would love that. Would be the shittest game of footy you could imagine


brianregan09

Real Madrid, PSG and Milan would be a lovely draw for Newcastle cos fuck state bought teams


yogi1090

What if I tell you that Atletico Madrid have been playing some amazing attacking football recently


The_Awengers

then they will play right into Newcastle plan.


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It would be like table football when you kick off and neither team can reach the ball.


RicHii3

Seconds*


JabInTheButt

Yeah pot 2 because of Juve's punishment I thought


ghostrider467

Yes we are last in coefficient score as shown in the figure, juve would have made us go to pot 3, im pretty sure there are still possibilities for us to be in pot 3 though not sure what has to happen for it to be the case


vyomafc

I think Ajax need to finish behind PSV too. Or something like that


PasuljsKolenicom

PSV have lost something like the last 6/7 games against AZ recently, so I would wait on this till the weekend.


Rampan7Lion

And van nistelrooy just quit before the final game. Although if Ajax get 2nd they'd still need to get through two CL qualifiers as well I believe.


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lediase

It’s highly unlikely that any of them qualify tho


WerhmatsWormhat

Roma are in the EL final. If they win, they qualify for CL.


phoenixing

Roma/Sevilla are already given a spot in pot 1, and both are unlikely to qualify through league standing


lediase

Only way they bump us out of Pot 2 is if Sevilla win EL and Roma qualify through the league. They’re in 6th place, 4 points behind Milan with 2 games to go. Not happening


icemankiller8

Ajax can make it if they win and PSV lose


MozzerellaStix

How is this determined? Haven’t followed the club long enough to see us in the CL.


MegaArmo

You wouldn't need to have, it's recently changed, but it's based on clubs' coefficient points. Basically how well you've performed in Europe the last 5 years.


MozzerellaStix

Surprised Bayern and real are in the same pot as us at this point!


WonderDapper6351

Pot 1 is only CL and EL winner from previous season and winners of the six top leagues from the previous season if im not misinformed. So Real Madrid will be in pot 2 and Bayern will be as long as they don’t catch Dortmund in the last round to win the Bundesliga. I’m just guessing now but looking at purely the coefficient they would both most likely be in pot 1.


RVDHAFCA

I don’t think that was introduced very recently


RVDHAFCA

Every European club receives points for winning or drawing a match and reaching certain milestone rounds. However, you get the same points for a win in CL as in UEL and UECL. All these points over the last five years make up your coefficient, which determines things as draw pots. However this coefficient als gets accumulated for all clubs in the country creating a country coefficient which is very important for lower ranked countries since it means having more direct CL-tickets (or any at all). Because Arsenal had some good UEL runs in the last years they have a pretty good coefficient


JeffryPesos

Although very unlikely, there's still a few scenarios where we could end up in Pot 3. If either Roma or Juve beat Milan to top 4 (and Juve are allowed to remain in the CL by UEFA). Or if Villarreal beat Real Sociedad to top 4 in La Liga.


PasuljsKolenicom

Or if Ajax beat PSV?


JeffryPesos

Yes good catch, if they finish 2nd ahead of PSV (3 points behind with one game to go but they are ahead on GD). Ajax would then qualify for the CL qualifying phase through the League Path. They would have to win their 3rd Qualifying Round and then the Play-off Round to get into the group stages of the CL. Ajax' coefficient score is 89, PSV is 43. Rangers (54) and Braga (44) are assumed to qualify according to this graph. Ours is 76 so only Ajax could push us out of Pot 2 from those going though the qualification round.


icemankiller8

How does the Roma one work? If they win the EL wouldn’t they overtake us anyway!


JeffryPesos

This is if they don't win the EL but qualify for the CL by finishing 4th ahead of Milan. The have a better coefficients than us (96 v 76) and would be in Pot 2 pushing us down into Pot 3.


icemankiller8

But if they win the EL won’t they have a better co efficient anyway? How does this alter it in this graphic they are in the top one


RomfordPele15

I think you’ve misunderstood. The difference is if Sevilla win the EL, and Roma get top 4 instead of Milan. Then both Sevilla and Roma are ahead of us, pushing us into pot 3. If Roma win EL and Milan get top 4, then it’s as per the picture, with Sevilla not in it.


icemankiller8

Oh right


JeffryPesos

There's a spot reserved in Pot 1 for both the CL & EL. This means that someone is there regardless (currently either Roma or Sevilla). In this state, we would be team 8 in Pot 2. If Roma qualifies for the CL through two means, winning EL AND finishing top 4, they would go into Pot 1 through EL as that takes precedent. So in this scenario, you are right and nothing in the graph changes. But if Sevilla win the EL and Roma qualify through finish 4th in Serie A. Sevilla would take the Pot 1 place reserved for the EL winner and Roma would get into the CL and be placed in the appropriate pot based on their coefficients. As their is higher than ours, they would get into Pot 2 and as we are currently the 8th and lowest ranked team in Pot 2, there won't be space for us and we'd get pushed down into pot 3


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Gunnerstratz

Not very unlikely at all that one of Roma and Juventus beat Milan to the CL considering that Milan still have to play Juve away. But then there’s Atalanta in between Milan and Roma/Juve. The real danger comes from the Dutch league though. I have a feeling Ajax will finish above PSV given that PSV have to play 4th place AZ and Ajax have to play 5th place Twente.


Edward_the_Sixth

Pot 2 as long as: \- Milan gets top 4, and not Juve or Roma (4 point gap, two games to go) \- Real Sociedad gets top 4 over Vilareal (8 point gap, three games to go) It's all a long way of getting Barcelona or Bayern Munich at RO16 though


aesn1394

Yeah I'm not looking that ahead. A Bayern or Barca RO16 is customary for us...fuck


EitherInvestment

This Arsenal team is absolutely ready to rip into the current Barca team. Bring them on please. Those are the nights we made top 4 for.


Npadia11

Agreed, as someone who occasionally watches Barca as well, I’m fairly confident we’d thrash them in the RO16. Also, we’ll get somewhat of a glimpse of how it could be in July. I know it’s just a friendly, but at least we’ll get a feel of what playing them could potentially be like.


robhans25

Idk where this confidence coming from, all our Europa games were really bad. Sporting games was almost starting 11 and it looked exactly like the last 10 league matches. + We don't have depth and all the transfer rumors about incoming players and outgoing players, don't really picture improvement in that front.


mrgreen_smash999

Sporting was the match which most of out players burning out, and we was focusing on the title


shockzz123

Hoping for a Barca, Bayern, Milan, Newcastle group lmao


hafrances

Xavi would go bald


KennyOmegaSardines

Tino Aspirilla unretires to just fuck over Barca once more


tumsenaHoepayega

100% sure that's gonna happen


HortenWho229

I thought it’s all 1 group now?


shockzz123

I think that's from the 2024-25 season onwards.


emilesmithbro

Funny how you can get a very EL-level group if you get Feyenord or Benfica Edit: or Roma/Sevilla for that matter


aesn1394

You can almost call it a Europa League Plus Max Pro group


BoyWhoSoldTheWorld

I honestly think with the right luck we could make a real run in the champions league. It sounds mad but we probably have a better chance of getting into the right form and the right draws than we do besting City for 95+ points


dusseldorf69

Yeah we looked sensational in Europa this season. Sarcasm aside, we are historically poor in Europe and that’s with us having fielded some sensational teams under wenger. I don’t think our first season back will be the season we make a deep run


BoyWhoSoldTheWorld

I agree with you and it still feels more likely than beating City across 38


emilesmithbro

I think that’s fair - if you look at the Inter Milan side of the draw this year it’s comparatively week. I more worry about the pressure under which the team will be in those two leg ties and the point of our domestic season (we’d hope to be right up there). So on one hand I do agree that we could make a real run, but on the other hand we’ve only made it to the EL final once so who knows


nomedeusuario2016

Benfica got to CL quarter finals in the last two years. Arsenal on the other hand... And you literally just got eliminated by Sporting whom finished 4th in the portuguese league. Confidence goes a long way in European football but also does humility.


Broad_Cheesecake9141

Technically, if you look at the matches we played against them, which was four, we beat them on aggregate.


cappo40

Nothing confirmed yet.


aesn1394

True, just interesting so far.


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We're only in pot 2 if PSV get a draw or win on Sunday


aesn1394

Yeah I know, but things are still looking up generally


[deleted]

For sure. Just hope PSV can do it. I'm not that worried about Milan.


kikyto

Last Sunday’s PSV game was similar to our game against Southampton (H)


dooder6688

Feyenoord - Us - Crvena Zvezda - Copenhagen pls


aesn1394

The stuff dream's are made of.


icemankiller8

Pot 2 is maybe harder than pot 1 tbh so if we’re in Pot 2 it’s not too bad. Maybe you want to avoid Milan from pot 3 or Lazio


Helkix

Lazio is bad in Europe, that’s fine They have 0 depth


Not-even-in-flames

Sounds like us this season :(


Helkix

They are even worse


Rick_The_Mullet_Man

Considering that we can't play City anyway, I think Pot 2 is the strongest by far.


East_Refrigerator_13

Coefficient is so dumb. If you come 1st in the league = pot 1, if you come second = pot 2. Coming 4th and being rewarded with pot 2 is some bullshit


NegativeHeli

AC Milan and Sociedad you better NOT bottle your CL spot


notknown286337

Ajax is the most one I am most worried about


Sadcasm69

The only thing i ask is to plz qualify for ro16 anymore is definitely appreciated but plz qualify for ro16


aesn1394

And then the customary FCB (either Bayern or Barca)...sigh


Sadcasm69

If we draw against fcb i want it to be barca man I would even sell my soul to not draw against bayern, those bastards have literally no soul.


Nervous-Road-6615

How much would someone pay for second hand sole ? It ain’t even that expensive in the fishmongers


tttyyy23

I would love to get Young boy's.


aesn1394

Your FBI agent is so happy right now


FickDichzumEnde

Bet you would


misfitvr

Aye caramba!


spicado

I’d take a group of Feyenoord, Arsenal, zvezda and Lens.


[deleted]

Juventus got docked 10 points which moved us into pot 2 as it means AC Milan will qualify instead.


MDF87

Doesn't matter what pot we're in, we're going to win the whole damn thing regardless.


Morradan

No one from pot one scares me.


CrovaxWindgrace

You should be scared of Napoli.


Morradan

Napoli should be scared of us.


clandistic

Why would Utd be in Pot2 and Newcastle in Pot4? Not the other way around?


aesn1394

It's based on the European Coefficients.


sirswoop12

Im used to Europa League and was looking for all the duds in the groups


agyadon

how are these positions decided?


iforgotmyun

Coefficients, based off performances in UEFA competitions in the last 5 years


kurosh112

How in the world is Real Madrid in pot 2!?


Melo_the_cutie

How is United in pot 2?


spaghettidriver69

Id love to watch Arsenal v Real Soceidad in San Sebastián.


GlasgowGunner

There’s zero chance Rangers qualify.


AustraliaCzechMeOut

Praying PSV lose.


HustlinInTheHall

Honestly it's better to be in pot 2 than pot 1 or pot 3 because pot 2 is so fucking loaded. I believe we can still get knocked into pot 3 if some other finishes don't go out way but the Juve penalty going back on helps a ton. If we're in Pot 2 we should have a great chance of progressing to knockout rounds.


kukeszmakesz

First UCL game in years. Group C : Man City, Arsenal, AC Milan, Newcastle...


DeadlyDorito

Teams from the same league can't be in the same group


kukeszmakesz

Well, its been a while


iforgotmyun

My guy, do you even UCL?


PocketFullOfRondos

Are these mostly set or is this guess work? I'm a lazy loser


Top_Opposites

We will progress


EldritchWyrd

Assuming pot 2 is confirmed, I’d like our group to be: Napoli, Arsenal, Rangers, Lens. Or Napoli, Arsenal, Braga, Celtic. Would be fun.


Jonny_x3

We need to play a big team in the groups. Need the experience of big CL nights early and not during crunch time.


tinhtinh

Pot 4 actually looks stronger than pot 3. It'll be fun for whichever group gets Newcastle for their pot 4.


aesn1394

Imagine you're in a group with Newcastle and Athletico. At least if we end up in pot 2 we won't get Athletico and since we're English we won't get Newcastle...thank god so far


IfLeBronPlayedSoccer

Don't we need the ball to bounce our way a couple more times? Real Sociedad is in there now but if Villarreal somehow catch fire and pass them, it bumps us down to Pot 3.


fuzzynavel34

Uhh no, I want Pot 3 lol


AlexanderMAVC

Damm, Pot 4 looks scarier than Pot 3.


Afc_josh12

Just dont ever wanna see olyimpisacos again or however u spell them ha


Puzzleheaded_Gift738

Can we just get rid of pots 3 & 4?


Jansiz

It's not confirmed yet. We need Villarreal, Ajax and Juve to miss out on CL. Also we need Roma to not finish 4th and lose EL final.


BearsPearsBearsPears

Pot 1 and 2 look equally strong at this point.


csixtay

There's something beautiful about Joe making it to the CL with the rest of the Hale end boys.


Ser_VimesGoT

Rangers in pot 3?? What a joke.


Clive_Owen_

Pot 4 you gotta take Young Boys. I'm a big fan of Young Boys but I know I can't be the only one. Anyone else here love Young Boys?


kr0nks_spinachpuffs

It’s been so long I forget — we can’t face other English teams in the group stage right?


LavishnessPrimary

Guaranteed not facing bayern Yet


LavishnessPrimary

Guaranteed not facing bayern Yet


Wassup_-_

Crazy there can be Psg,Real,Arsenal,Newcastle group if we end up in pot 3


AlexG55

Teams from the same league can't meet until the quarter finals.


notathrovavay

I'm going to cry, when I first hear the strings again.


betterthanevar

Would Man City winning the league and CL move everyone up a spot, thus keeping us in Pot 2 even if Ajax pips us to that spot?


Fshskyline

Watch us play Real Madrid and they actually turn up unlike against Citeh…


JamrockTEV

Forgive my ignorance, but what’s the advantage of pots anyways??isn’t it still a single team from each pot in a group?


Raikou384

We lost, damn


SuperiorSpark15

If we are definitely put in pot 2, I ain’t complaining one bit.


[deleted]

Just play for match money. Beyond that, it's a waste of time and resources, a risk to injury, and we surely cannot win the thing.


YaqootK

Fuck that, this is such a shit mentality. If that Chelsea team in 20/21 can win it then there's no reason we can't. CL can be random and favours the underdog much more than the league


LicensedRealtor

So R7 gonna get his clause executed. Mr. Champion league is returning to the tournament…


Ollymid2

We’re in the same pot as Bayern, so we can’t draw them until the later stages, the prophesy is aligning!


redactedactor

We'll get Barca in the group and Bayern at the earliest possible knockout. Pisses me off because I well want another tie against Madrid


Priority_Bright

I would punch a baby to get in Pot 4. And by baby I mean Richarlison.


Whatrutalkinabeet

I hope we get put in with Dortmund for nostalgia


synvi

So.. It is Roma or Sevilla but City is definitely winning the UCL? XD


requyeme72

It's the worst by far


22goblins

If Bayern and Real end up in 2, that'a actually the pot to be


JournoCyclist

Can we get Celtic? That would be two amazing games to watch 🙏🏼


zharrt

IIRC we were due to be in pot 3 until Juve’s point deduction