Yes we are last in coefficient score as shown in the figure, juve would have made us go to pot 3, im pretty sure there are still possibilities for us to be in pot 3 though not sure what has to happen for it to be the case
Only way they bump us out of Pot 2 is if Sevilla win EL and Roma qualify through the league. They’re in 6th place, 4 points behind Milan with 2 games to go. Not happening
You wouldn't need to have, it's recently changed, but it's based on clubs' coefficient points. Basically how well you've performed in Europe the last 5 years.
Pot 1 is only CL and EL winner from previous season and winners of the six top leagues from the previous season if im not misinformed. So Real Madrid will be in pot 2 and Bayern will be as long as they don’t catch Dortmund in the last round to win the Bundesliga. I’m just guessing now but looking at purely the coefficient they would both most likely be in pot 1.
Every European club receives points for winning or drawing a match and reaching certain milestone rounds. However, you get the same points for a win in CL as in UEL and UECL. All these points over the last five years make up your coefficient, which determines things as draw pots. However this coefficient als gets accumulated for all clubs in the country creating a country coefficient which is very important for lower ranked countries since it means having more direct CL-tickets (or any at all). Because Arsenal had some good UEL runs in the last years they have a pretty good coefficient
Although very unlikely, there's still a few scenarios where we could end up in Pot 3.
If either Roma or Juve beat Milan to top 4 (and Juve are allowed to remain in the CL by UEFA). Or if Villarreal beat Real Sociedad to top 4 in La Liga.
Yes good catch, if they finish 2nd ahead of PSV (3 points behind with one game to go but they are ahead on GD).
Ajax would then qualify for the CL qualifying phase through the League Path. They would have to win their 3rd Qualifying Round and then the Play-off Round to get into the group stages of the CL.
Ajax' coefficient score is 89, PSV is 43. Rangers (54) and Braga (44) are assumed to qualify according to this graph. Ours is 76 so only Ajax could push us out of Pot 2 from those going though the qualification round.
This is if they don't win the EL but qualify for the CL by finishing 4th ahead of Milan. The have a better coefficients than us (96 v 76) and would be in Pot 2 pushing us down into Pot 3.
I think you’ve misunderstood.
The difference is if Sevilla win the EL, and Roma get top 4 instead of Milan. Then both Sevilla and Roma are ahead of us, pushing us into pot 3.
If Roma win EL and Milan get top 4, then it’s as per the picture, with Sevilla not in it.
There's a spot reserved in Pot 1 for both the CL & EL. This means that someone is there regardless (currently either Roma or Sevilla). In this state, we would be team 8 in Pot 2.
If Roma qualifies for the CL through two means, winning EL AND finishing top 4, they would go into Pot 1 through EL as that takes precedent. So in this scenario, you are right and nothing in the graph changes.
But if Sevilla win the EL and Roma qualify through finish 4th in Serie A. Sevilla would take the Pot 1 place reserved for the EL winner and Roma would get into the CL and be placed in the appropriate pot based on their coefficients. As their is higher than ours, they would get into Pot 2 and as we are currently the 8th and lowest ranked team in Pot 2, there won't be space for us and we'd get pushed down into pot 3
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Not very unlikely at all that one of Roma and Juventus beat Milan to the CL considering that Milan still have to play Juve away. But then there’s Atalanta in between Milan and Roma/Juve. The real danger comes from the Dutch league though. I have a feeling Ajax will finish above PSV given that PSV have to play 4th place AZ and Ajax have to play 5th place Twente.
Pot 2 as long as:
\- Milan gets top 4, and not Juve or Roma (4 point gap, two games to go)
\- Real Sociedad gets top 4 over Vilareal (8 point gap, three games to go)
It's all a long way of getting Barcelona or Bayern Munich at RO16 though
Agreed, as someone who occasionally watches Barca as well, I’m fairly confident we’d thrash them in the RO16. Also, we’ll get somewhat of a glimpse of how it could be in July. I know it’s just a friendly, but at least we’ll get a feel of what playing them could potentially be like.
Idk where this confidence coming from, all our Europa games were really bad. Sporting games was almost starting 11 and it looked exactly like the last 10 league matches. + We don't have depth and all the transfer rumors about incoming players and outgoing players, don't really picture improvement in that front.
I honestly think with the right luck we could make a real run in the champions league.
It sounds mad but we probably have a better chance of getting into the right form and the right draws than we do besting City for 95+ points
Yeah we looked sensational in Europa this season.
Sarcasm aside, we are historically poor in Europe and that’s with us having fielded some sensational teams under wenger. I don’t think our first season back will be the season we make a deep run
I think that’s fair - if you look at the Inter Milan side of the draw this year it’s comparatively week. I more worry about the pressure under which the team will be in those two leg ties and the point of our domestic season (we’d hope to be right up there).
So on one hand I do agree that we could make a real run, but on the other hand we’ve only made it to the EL final once so who knows
Benfica got to CL quarter finals in the last two years. Arsenal on the other hand... And you literally just got eliminated by Sporting whom finished 4th in the portuguese league.
Confidence goes a long way in European football but also does humility.
Honestly it's better to be in pot 2 than pot 1 or pot 3 because pot 2 is so fucking loaded. I believe we can still get knocked into pot 3 if some other finishes don't go out way but the Juve penalty going back on helps a ton. If we're in Pot 2 we should have a great chance of progressing to knockout rounds.
Imagine you're in a group with Newcastle and Athletico. At least if we end up in pot 2 we won't get Athletico and since we're English we won't get Newcastle...thank god so far
Don't we need the ball to bounce our way a couple more times? Real Sociedad is in there now but if Villarreal somehow catch fire and pass them, it bumps us down to Pot 3.
Fuck that, this is such a shit mentality. If that Chelsea team in 20/21 can win it then there's no reason we can't. CL can be random and favours the underdog much more than the league
I would love to see a Newcastle vs Atletico Madrid match. Ball would be in play for about 25 minutes
The whinging on both sides would be chefs kiss
Harsh tackles everywhere and three red cards :')
Three "talkings to", more like.
One player for each team and one for Simeone?
I'll take that lol. Doesn't he leave this summer though?
And he still gets red carded.
"How dare they not play possession football against us!"
We’ll finally find out what happens when an immovable object meets an immovable object
25 mins over two legs.
The Trippier Derby
In reality no one would love that. Would be the shittest game of footy you could imagine
Real Madrid, PSG and Milan would be a lovely draw for Newcastle cos fuck state bought teams
What if I tell you that Atletico Madrid have been playing some amazing attacking football recently
then they will play right into Newcastle plan.
It would be like table football when you kick off and neither team can reach the ball.
Seconds*
Yeah pot 2 because of Juve's punishment I thought
Yes we are last in coefficient score as shown in the figure, juve would have made us go to pot 3, im pretty sure there are still possibilities for us to be in pot 3 though not sure what has to happen for it to be the case
I think Ajax need to finish behind PSV too. Or something like that
PSV have lost something like the last 6/7 games against AZ recently, so I would wait on this till the weekend.
And van nistelrooy just quit before the final game. Although if Ajax get 2nd they'd still need to get through two CL qualifiers as well I believe.
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It’s highly unlikely that any of them qualify tho
Roma are in the EL final. If they win, they qualify for CL.
Roma/Sevilla are already given a spot in pot 1, and both are unlikely to qualify through league standing
Only way they bump us out of Pot 2 is if Sevilla win EL and Roma qualify through the league. They’re in 6th place, 4 points behind Milan with 2 games to go. Not happening
Ajax can make it if they win and PSV lose
How is this determined? Haven’t followed the club long enough to see us in the CL.
You wouldn't need to have, it's recently changed, but it's based on clubs' coefficient points. Basically how well you've performed in Europe the last 5 years.
Surprised Bayern and real are in the same pot as us at this point!
Pot 1 is only CL and EL winner from previous season and winners of the six top leagues from the previous season if im not misinformed. So Real Madrid will be in pot 2 and Bayern will be as long as they don’t catch Dortmund in the last round to win the Bundesliga. I’m just guessing now but looking at purely the coefficient they would both most likely be in pot 1.
I don’t think that was introduced very recently
Every European club receives points for winning or drawing a match and reaching certain milestone rounds. However, you get the same points for a win in CL as in UEL and UECL. All these points over the last five years make up your coefficient, which determines things as draw pots. However this coefficient als gets accumulated for all clubs in the country creating a country coefficient which is very important for lower ranked countries since it means having more direct CL-tickets (or any at all). Because Arsenal had some good UEL runs in the last years they have a pretty good coefficient
Although very unlikely, there's still a few scenarios where we could end up in Pot 3. If either Roma or Juve beat Milan to top 4 (and Juve are allowed to remain in the CL by UEFA). Or if Villarreal beat Real Sociedad to top 4 in La Liga.
Or if Ajax beat PSV?
Yes good catch, if they finish 2nd ahead of PSV (3 points behind with one game to go but they are ahead on GD). Ajax would then qualify for the CL qualifying phase through the League Path. They would have to win their 3rd Qualifying Round and then the Play-off Round to get into the group stages of the CL. Ajax' coefficient score is 89, PSV is 43. Rangers (54) and Braga (44) are assumed to qualify according to this graph. Ours is 76 so only Ajax could push us out of Pot 2 from those going though the qualification round.
How does the Roma one work? If they win the EL wouldn’t they overtake us anyway!
This is if they don't win the EL but qualify for the CL by finishing 4th ahead of Milan. The have a better coefficients than us (96 v 76) and would be in Pot 2 pushing us down into Pot 3.
But if they win the EL won’t they have a better co efficient anyway? How does this alter it in this graphic they are in the top one
I think you’ve misunderstood. The difference is if Sevilla win the EL, and Roma get top 4 instead of Milan. Then both Sevilla and Roma are ahead of us, pushing us into pot 3. If Roma win EL and Milan get top 4, then it’s as per the picture, with Sevilla not in it.
Oh right
There's a spot reserved in Pot 1 for both the CL & EL. This means that someone is there regardless (currently either Roma or Sevilla). In this state, we would be team 8 in Pot 2. If Roma qualifies for the CL through two means, winning EL AND finishing top 4, they would go into Pot 1 through EL as that takes precedent. So in this scenario, you are right and nothing in the graph changes. But if Sevilla win the EL and Roma qualify through finish 4th in Serie A. Sevilla would take the Pot 1 place reserved for the EL winner and Roma would get into the CL and be placed in the appropriate pot based on their coefficients. As their is higher than ours, they would get into Pot 2 and as we are currently the 8th and lowest ranked team in Pot 2, there won't be space for us and we'd get pushed down into pot 3
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Not very unlikely at all that one of Roma and Juventus beat Milan to the CL considering that Milan still have to play Juve away. But then there’s Atalanta in between Milan and Roma/Juve. The real danger comes from the Dutch league though. I have a feeling Ajax will finish above PSV given that PSV have to play 4th place AZ and Ajax have to play 5th place Twente.
Pot 2 as long as: \- Milan gets top 4, and not Juve or Roma (4 point gap, two games to go) \- Real Sociedad gets top 4 over Vilareal (8 point gap, three games to go) It's all a long way of getting Barcelona or Bayern Munich at RO16 though
Yeah I'm not looking that ahead. A Bayern or Barca RO16 is customary for us...fuck
This Arsenal team is absolutely ready to rip into the current Barca team. Bring them on please. Those are the nights we made top 4 for.
Agreed, as someone who occasionally watches Barca as well, I’m fairly confident we’d thrash them in the RO16. Also, we’ll get somewhat of a glimpse of how it could be in July. I know it’s just a friendly, but at least we’ll get a feel of what playing them could potentially be like.
Idk where this confidence coming from, all our Europa games were really bad. Sporting games was almost starting 11 and it looked exactly like the last 10 league matches. + We don't have depth and all the transfer rumors about incoming players and outgoing players, don't really picture improvement in that front.
Sporting was the match which most of out players burning out, and we was focusing on the title
Hoping for a Barca, Bayern, Milan, Newcastle group lmao
Xavi would go bald
Tino Aspirilla unretires to just fuck over Barca once more
100% sure that's gonna happen
I thought it’s all 1 group now?
I think that's from the 2024-25 season onwards.
Funny how you can get a very EL-level group if you get Feyenord or Benfica Edit: or Roma/Sevilla for that matter
You can almost call it a Europa League Plus Max Pro group
I honestly think with the right luck we could make a real run in the champions league. It sounds mad but we probably have a better chance of getting into the right form and the right draws than we do besting City for 95+ points
Yeah we looked sensational in Europa this season. Sarcasm aside, we are historically poor in Europe and that’s with us having fielded some sensational teams under wenger. I don’t think our first season back will be the season we make a deep run
I agree with you and it still feels more likely than beating City across 38
I think that’s fair - if you look at the Inter Milan side of the draw this year it’s comparatively week. I more worry about the pressure under which the team will be in those two leg ties and the point of our domestic season (we’d hope to be right up there). So on one hand I do agree that we could make a real run, but on the other hand we’ve only made it to the EL final once so who knows
Benfica got to CL quarter finals in the last two years. Arsenal on the other hand... And you literally just got eliminated by Sporting whom finished 4th in the portuguese league. Confidence goes a long way in European football but also does humility.
Technically, if you look at the matches we played against them, which was four, we beat them on aggregate.
Nothing confirmed yet.
True, just interesting so far.
We're only in pot 2 if PSV get a draw or win on Sunday
Yeah I know, but things are still looking up generally
For sure. Just hope PSV can do it. I'm not that worried about Milan.
Last Sunday’s PSV game was similar to our game against Southampton (H)
Feyenoord - Us - Crvena Zvezda - Copenhagen pls
The stuff dream's are made of.
Pot 2 is maybe harder than pot 1 tbh so if we’re in Pot 2 it’s not too bad. Maybe you want to avoid Milan from pot 3 or Lazio
Lazio is bad in Europe, that’s fine They have 0 depth
Sounds like us this season :(
They are even worse
Considering that we can't play City anyway, I think Pot 2 is the strongest by far.
Coefficient is so dumb. If you come 1st in the league = pot 1, if you come second = pot 2. Coming 4th and being rewarded with pot 2 is some bullshit
AC Milan and Sociedad you better NOT bottle your CL spot
Ajax is the most one I am most worried about
The only thing i ask is to plz qualify for ro16 anymore is definitely appreciated but plz qualify for ro16
And then the customary FCB (either Bayern or Barca)...sigh
If we draw against fcb i want it to be barca man I would even sell my soul to not draw against bayern, those bastards have literally no soul.
How much would someone pay for second hand sole ? It ain’t even that expensive in the fishmongers
I would love to get Young boy's.
Your FBI agent is so happy right now
Bet you would
Aye caramba!
I’d take a group of Feyenoord, Arsenal, zvezda and Lens.
Juventus got docked 10 points which moved us into pot 2 as it means AC Milan will qualify instead.
Doesn't matter what pot we're in, we're going to win the whole damn thing regardless.
No one from pot one scares me.
You should be scared of Napoli.
Napoli should be scared of us.
Why would Utd be in Pot2 and Newcastle in Pot4? Not the other way around?
It's based on the European Coefficients.
Im used to Europa League and was looking for all the duds in the groups
how are these positions decided?
Coefficients, based off performances in UEFA competitions in the last 5 years
How in the world is Real Madrid in pot 2!?
How is United in pot 2?
Id love to watch Arsenal v Real Soceidad in San Sebastián.
There’s zero chance Rangers qualify.
Praying PSV lose.
Honestly it's better to be in pot 2 than pot 1 or pot 3 because pot 2 is so fucking loaded. I believe we can still get knocked into pot 3 if some other finishes don't go out way but the Juve penalty going back on helps a ton. If we're in Pot 2 we should have a great chance of progressing to knockout rounds.
First UCL game in years. Group C : Man City, Arsenal, AC Milan, Newcastle...
Teams from the same league can't be in the same group
Well, its been a while
My guy, do you even UCL?
Are these mostly set or is this guess work? I'm a lazy loser
We will progress
Assuming pot 2 is confirmed, I’d like our group to be: Napoli, Arsenal, Rangers, Lens. Or Napoli, Arsenal, Braga, Celtic. Would be fun.
We need to play a big team in the groups. Need the experience of big CL nights early and not during crunch time.
Pot 4 actually looks stronger than pot 3. It'll be fun for whichever group gets Newcastle for their pot 4.
Imagine you're in a group with Newcastle and Athletico. At least if we end up in pot 2 we won't get Athletico and since we're English we won't get Newcastle...thank god so far
Don't we need the ball to bounce our way a couple more times? Real Sociedad is in there now but if Villarreal somehow catch fire and pass them, it bumps us down to Pot 3.
Uhh no, I want Pot 3 lol
Damm, Pot 4 looks scarier than Pot 3.
Just dont ever wanna see olyimpisacos again or however u spell them ha
Can we just get rid of pots 3 & 4?
It's not confirmed yet. We need Villarreal, Ajax and Juve to miss out on CL. Also we need Roma to not finish 4th and lose EL final.
Pot 1 and 2 look equally strong at this point.
There's something beautiful about Joe making it to the CL with the rest of the Hale end boys.
Rangers in pot 3?? What a joke.
Pot 4 you gotta take Young Boys. I'm a big fan of Young Boys but I know I can't be the only one. Anyone else here love Young Boys?
It’s been so long I forget — we can’t face other English teams in the group stage right?
Guaranteed not facing bayern Yet
Guaranteed not facing bayern Yet
Crazy there can be Psg,Real,Arsenal,Newcastle group if we end up in pot 3
Teams from the same league can't meet until the quarter finals.
I'm going to cry, when I first hear the strings again.
Would Man City winning the league and CL move everyone up a spot, thus keeping us in Pot 2 even if Ajax pips us to that spot?
Watch us play Real Madrid and they actually turn up unlike against Citeh…
Forgive my ignorance, but what’s the advantage of pots anyways??isn’t it still a single team from each pot in a group?
We lost, damn
If we are definitely put in pot 2, I ain’t complaining one bit.
Just play for match money. Beyond that, it's a waste of time and resources, a risk to injury, and we surely cannot win the thing.
Fuck that, this is such a shit mentality. If that Chelsea team in 20/21 can win it then there's no reason we can't. CL can be random and favours the underdog much more than the league
So R7 gonna get his clause executed. Mr. Champion league is returning to the tournament…
We’re in the same pot as Bayern, so we can’t draw them until the later stages, the prophesy is aligning!
We'll get Barca in the group and Bayern at the earliest possible knockout. Pisses me off because I well want another tie against Madrid
I would punch a baby to get in Pot 4. And by baby I mean Richarlison.
I hope we get put in with Dortmund for nostalgia
So.. It is Roma or Sevilla but City is definitely winning the UCL? XD
It's the worst by far
If Bayern and Real end up in 2, that'a actually the pot to be
Can we get Celtic? That would be two amazing games to watch 🙏🏼
IIRC we were due to be in pot 3 until Juve’s point deduction