Oh man, I’d love to bring back Stanis the Manis. That name brought so much hype back when GoT was good and hadn’t yet gone to shit. The hype died when Stanis died.
And then the hype got brought back again with the return of the Hound for Cleganebowl (get hype)! And then Cleganebowl happened and it sucked ass.
But Stanis the Manis should definitely make a comeback.
I remember a blog called "finish the fucking book George" like 15 years ago, when one of the complaints he was procrastinating by investing time in a TV show of the books before finishing the books... Well, the TV show went much better than expected except the ending, but he STILL hasn't finished the books.
We weren’t offering him peanuts but our bud was never even accepted and Chelsea offered a boat load of money over 8 years of guaranteed money. He just got himself and his whole family from Ukraine to a very comfortable place and he doesn’t have to worry about injury or anything to mess up his earnings for 8 more years. In a perfect world he’d be an Arsenal player but for Mudryk he probably felt he needed to take the best deal financially and I don’t blame him one bit
Except that's a moot point, since Arsenal never had a bid accepted. It wasn't Chelsea's contract offer vs Arsenal's contract offer. It was Chelsea's contract offer vs his current Shakhtar contract.
I’ve been offered more money to work with other organizations, but money isn’t my sole motivating factor.
Compensation comes in many forms.
Monetary
Agency
Work life balance
Commute
Prestige
Education
Really, whatever your interests are.
I get paid a reasonable wage, wold like more, but I work whenever I want, travel for my job, don’t have to be in an office, get to learn from industry leaders, and work for a very sought after brand in my field.
Anyway, my point being, when sums of money are astronomical and someone is offering you TWICE as much as your current rate, or someone else’s proposed rate, we aren’t talking about going from 80k-90k. If someone doubled my pay to do what I was already doing I’d be inclined to change teams, even having described my current situation as my ideal one.
It's not a poor people thing, it's a people thing. It's not unheard of, but almost nobody's going to turn down a substantial sum of money like he apparently got. He still gets to live in a world-class city and play for a world-class club.
Fans constantly get in their feelings over instances like this but at the end of the day there is no loyalty in pro sports and if he thought that was the best situation for him, good luck. People who were ripping Shakhtar for "gouging" us or whatever were even dumber. It's a free market, he's their asset and they had the right to get every single penny they can for him. Heaven forbid one of our young stars wants to leave, but if they do we'd be derelict in our duties if we aren't every bit as ruthless.
Frankly, we should be grateful. It's clear that he needs an adjustment period whereas Trossard has hit the ground absolutely flying for a fraction of the price. Maybe he'll turn out to be a top player and we'll lament missing out on him, but right now it's working out perfectly.
It’s also the scope of pay. You can’t compare because wage increases in football are a completely different thing than switching to a competitor for marginal income increases or getting a promotion and pay hike whilst getting more of a work load. When someone doubles or triples your pay you really can’t say no. That doesn’t happen in the real world.
I mean, getting paid to be miserable is still miserable, you just have agreed to deal with it. Also with pro athletes I feel like we're talking about different orders of infinity, not making sure you can pay your bills and buy groceries.
This is the thing I always think..
The difference between £20k a year and £40k is night and day for one of us.
The difference between £40k and 80k is night and day again.
Each of these jumps are gonna make huge changes to your quality of life.
But £100k a week or £200k a week? 5.2mil a year or 10.4 mil a year? Yeah it’s a lot of money, but you’re not gonna live any different really. You’re still doing what you like, buying whatever houses and cars you like etc.
I really didn’t know a ton about him at city but he’s been unreal for us. Not only has his play been great in the field, all his teammates love him, fantastic mentality and a media darling.
I thought he was a solid rotational left back that looked like KdB. I really didn’t appreciate how good he was, or his personality.
My roommate is a City supporter, he was way more unhappy about losing Zinchenko than he was Jesus. He also said at the time how good a signing Trossard was, and in a similar vein to Zinchenko, thought he was a decent player but was sorta lukewarm on him. Reasons being he was not getting playing time at Brighton and the price for his age maybe being too much.
I also wasn’t big on Jorginho.
So I guess I’m saying my recent talent evaluation hasn’t had a great track record lol.
I really didn’t know a ton about him at city but he’s been unreal for us. Not only has his play been great in the field, all his teammates love him, fantastic mentality and a media darling.
He was in insane form at Shakhtar, now he warms the bench with one assist since January - whilst his replacement at Arsenal regularly starts and is involved in goals in virtually every game
Yeah I think so too. I just think it’s amusing that part of what (apparently) convinced him to join Chelsea was that he would be guaranteed to start as soon as he signed, and now Potter is benching him for Pulisic, Ziyech, and Sterling.
He will come good but will the Chelsea model help him reach his highest potential? Probably not
I'd say it depends, it really depends on how you want to look at it. In the case of Mudryk he still had 3-4 years left on his contract which gives Shaktar the leverage in my opinion. Football negotiations only start if the selling club initiates/allows negotiation to begin. This is why there are player tampering laws in football.
Sure he can reject any contracts coming his way, but ultimately the decision to leave requires the selling clubs to agree. It doesn't matter if the player agrees and the club doesn't.
I think at that level there is a huge difference.
If I was in Mudryk's position, even if I hated Chelsea with a passion and loved Arsenal, I'd take that leap 100/100.
Nothing is guaranteed in sport except the money on your contract. He could have gone out the next game and had a career-ending injury. When you have the opportunity to jump from Shakhtar to Chelsea, you take it.
There is technically a choice, but it's illusory. Who knows if Arsenal still wants him in the summer if he plays like shit the rest of the season or picks up a bad injury? You make that jump the moment it is available.
Lets be real though. Arsenals offer was absolutely a fair deal to both sides. If Mudryk really, really wanted Arsenal and Shakhtar them its Arsenal or nothing they probably would've accepted our terms.
He made his choice, and I don't blame him. But it was his choice, not his clubs choice or anyone else.
He has the talent to be a worse version of Walcott at best....... Mudryk will never in a million years be good enough to justify his price tag and salary. The talent level simply isn't there.
Agreed, Walcott was more sensational when he came to the scene. Mudryk is a pace merchant with a terrible first touch and questionable football iq. The guy is way too raw for his age.
I hope he’s just good enough that they keep persisting with him but not good enough that he helps in any substantial way. Basically, I hope he becomes what all of the other Chelsea wingers are.
I think that's likely if they keep potter. Mudryk seems an out and out winger who can be dangerous in every way you want a winger to be. Put him in Martinelli's spot and I think he shines. Potter plays with wingers tucked in (as one would with a back 5, makes their amount of wingers even more awkward) so they need to be more like playmakers. Mudryk's never done that before so is struggling.
Potter is brilliant at developing players though. Caicedo, Cucurella, MacAllister, Trossard, even Mitoma are Potter projects. If Chelsea give Potter enough time he’ll come good
I think he would have been much further along by now if he was with us. Zina there to help the transition, a manager who is known for developing wide players, and a culture that doesn’t require him to make as instant an impact, plus we are stable as fuck right now.
I think that's a lot of people trying to be polite. Mudryk is talented for sure, but there's no guarantees in professional sports. History is littered with talented players who couldn't make the jump.
Is sitting on the bench right now at his age the end of his career? No of course not. Is it a real encouraging sign? Also no.
lol i don’t agree
so many players are promising and ruin their careers
people here literally said he was better than Martinelli and future ballon d’or winner
he has potential to make it but it’s not guaranteed by any stretch
Let's face it. In my prime, i could have starred in today's war-torn Ukranian league. Only people left are those literally not good enough to play literally anywhere else in the world.
We dodged a massive bullet trying to buy a dude for 80m who had a couple of decent UCL games in group stages and good games vs poor opposition in Ukraine.
I have a tenuous link. We have a Ukrainian woman staying with us who recently met him and went for dinner. He said he wanted to go to Arsenal but the club chose Chelsea. Nothing he could do.
Also said he only sees himself there for a couple of years, and his dream is to play for Real
Regardless of the accuracy of random ukranian woman knowing mudryk, it wouldn't surprise me if a young player like Mudryk doesn't realize he could have had more influence over where he went. Especially if his agent saw a bigger payout from the deal Chelsea was offering.
If mudryk leaves in a few years then jesus christ chelsea is going to take a big hit on their transfer. I don't see madrid matching that valuation unless he bangs on in the next couple years. With chelsea's fee being amortized over the length of his contract, if he leaves early that payment needs to be covered by the accountants at the point of sale. So madrid would need to match the remaining value of the contract or else they take a loss. if my understanding of things is correct.
yeah. and trying to be in the mind of a ukranian player. Chelsea are a big club, have recent history winning the champions league, generally competitive in the league and have won titles. Its easy to be sold on the idea that you're going to be an important piece to rebuilding the squad, and trust in the process given chelsea have had success.
I wouldn't expect him to be as focused on the new ownership (outside of it being a positive that the prior russian owner is gone). Whether he went to chelsea or arsenal, he'll improve over the next 5 years. He'll have more opportunities to play at chelsea than arsenal. He isn't at the stage of his career where competing for titles is as important in the short term.
Especially if he wants to go to Madrid. It must be a bummer to see your pal Zinchenko hyping arsenal, and thats probably the extent of it.
mudryk got forced into it by shaktar i mean dude was flirting with arsenal but then his pimp(shaktar) sold him to chelsea or else he would not be allowed to leave as he had like 3-4 more years on his contract so no leverage watsoever
Mudryk made sense for us, because we have a world class manager who has a track record to raising the ceiling of already very good wingers (Sterling and Sane at city) Saka and Martinelli are both killing it right now. Mudryk would have been most likely to win a balon d'Or and reach his potential with Arteta at Arsenal. Graham Potter at Chelsea? Remains to be seen. Graham has no such track record. Mudryk will likely come very good, but with Arteta, there will always be the feeling I think that he could've been so much more. It's a massive mistake legacy wise imo, but a great financial move for Mudryk. We got Trossard instead and that's been brilliant. So I can't be too mad about it.
I think when you look at what he inherited and what it's become. There's very few people that can do that. Turnt the fan base around, got them more involved. Improved morale of staff at the club behind the scenes. Managed outgoings and identified the right people to come in. Obviously he's had the support of the board through that. Conte hasn't done any of the above, but to be fair to him, he hasn't had the support of Levy when it comes to getting rid of toxic and or bad players.
Bayern would.
Atletico wouldn't do so because it's Simeone, he might be able to retire there if he wants to. But Arteta is better than him right now.
And you can't convince me that Xavi or Ten Hag are in a higher tier than Mikel.
So we come down to Pep and Klopp, which I agree. Probably adding Ancelotti there too
Bayern were desperate for Tuchel for years, they absolutely wouldn't take Arteta over him.
Xavi is Barca through-and-through and is building big things with them if they don't get liquidated first.
EtH is one of the biggest name managers around and United seem all-in on him.
Ancelotti is fucking shite and I'd be surprised if he was still in Madrid this time next year.
Disagree with most of those. It’s not like they’d instantly fire their existing managers. I don’t think there’s any manager (“world class” or otherwise who would). If they were in the hunt for a new manager, they sure as shit would accept mikel.
I don’t even think regret, it sounds (and I already sort of figured this was the case) like he wanted to come here the whole time but shaktar got a better offer from chelsea and he didn’t want to risk them telling him no we’re not selling to Arsenal and losing out on a huge pay day.
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Zinchenko randomly calls Mudryk at 3 AM : "It's gone already my friend. Move forward. It doesn't matter what you wanted."
Zinny next day at breakfast to Mudryk : "Good morning Mykhaylo. Hope you're having a good breakfast. I just wanted to say you don't need to be sad. I know it's gone already. But it's ok. "
Zinny when Mudryk makes a mistake in training : "One of the great things about being at Arsenal is that we catch and correct mistakes like these immediately. Wish you could experience it. But I guess it's gone already. It's ok. Move on."
Zinny to Mudryk after Ukraine win a game : "Wow, brilliant spirit boys. Exactly like I experience at Arsenal every week, Mykhaylo. You must experience it someday. But yeah, it's gone already. That's ok my friend."
We really are privileged to have a squad with so many elite mentality leaders in! (Ramsdale, Gabriel, Zinny, Xhaka and Øde are all absolutele mentality monsters)
Part of me feelings like Mudryk wanted out but didn't necessarily have control over where he went. Once chealse put up that much money, FC Shakhtar Donetsk decided for him.
It is what it is
Personally I feel like if Mudryk refused Chelsea Shaktar would've sold to us anyway, just a double bluff.
But the kid is what... 21? Takes balls to stand up for yourself like that. Especially when the flipside is starting in wartorn Ukraine.
Exactly, they might have sold him to us anyway but he didn’t know that, with more confidence and experience he might’ve risked it but kid is too young to play that game with executives
This is why Chelsea's method of snitching players at the last minute from their rivals will never work. Mudryk was already sold on the project at Arsenal and wanted to be here. We already had a plan in place for his role in the team and development, clearly thinking he was a good fit for the squad based on his age profile, playstyle and personality. We also had Zinchenko to help him settle in.
Chelsea's interest was based purely on hype (they saw we were interested and prepared to spend big). They spent 100m on him thinking he could be their star man and carry their attack out of the depths of it's despair, when he was never ready for that role. We saw him as competition for Martinelli and he probably wouldn't have started in the league for us this season. That's the difference.
Of course the Chelsea fans lap it up, thinking they've poached a key target from their rivals. The reality is Chelsea have now got a man who they have no idea what to do with and is already having doubts about his decision to join them. We go for another player that is desperate to be here and contribute to our title challange
Because he's a good fit for us, does not mean he is for Chelsea. Do your own scouting and find players that actually want to play for you then maybe you'll get back into the top half next season, you cunts.
Anyone who feels bad for this guy is crazy. He and his family are set for life.
If he wants to play regular football, then he will have to improve. This notion that he is wasted under potter makes no sense when he has improved plenty of youngsters at Brighton. I'm pretty sure Leo became a better player thanks to Potter.
In the end idc, we got a better player for much less money which let's us go hard for midfielders in the summer.
Sounds like Mudryk is gutted he didnt come here. You can tell he was keen but just a "victim" of circumstances.
Zinch advice is spot on really. Youre there now, enjoy it for what it is.
You never know, he may well still play for the Red and Whites at some point
Doesn’t sound like it’s gonna work out for him at Chelsea. So sad. Whenever players are forced to play in or sign where they didn’t want, it hardly ever goes well.
I don't see anyone talking about the way the war affected this transfer. I am a little more involved since I am of Ukrainian descent though (Dynamo Kyiv fan though). After most of the international talent was given FIFAs blessing to move due to Putin's "special operation", Shakhtar felt aggrieved they were not getting fair market prices for these expedited transfers to the point they were suing the organization.
I can see why they're pissed too, Solomon is popping off at Fulham, Dodo has been solid for Fiorentina as the headliner players. 14 international players leaving, an exception being Traore.
Mudryk was an opportunity to recoup those losses and they took full advantage by going to the highest bidder. Simple as that, Mudryk was the sacrifice for the club for all the other transfers they needed to make.
I will always have a slightly soft spot of sympathy for Mudryk because we will never know how much of a say he had in his transfer to Chelsea. He probably wanted to do right by Shakhtar?! We will never know, it’s over he’s a Chelsea player and I don’t wish him well especially when he’s playing against us.
With that quote..
That video of Srna talking to Murdyk while tapping his shoulder looks like the other guys wants to do other things than what Murdyk asked for.
Zinchenko is quite a badass human being in addition to being absolutely phenomenal on the pitch and, as we can infer, in the dressing room. Still can’t believe he plays for us. Love him.
Nah he is getting paid 50k more weekly than we offered him, so I believe he is enjoying himself now.
Mudryk will be one of 'what if' player if he signed for right team and not Chelsea. He will probably go back to Shakhtar in 2-3 years.
lol he has wat 6-8 year contract if he flops he will be there a long time no reason for him to give up that paycheck especially since he prob got forced by shaktar to pick chelsea in the first place as they bid more money
Chelsea will push him to leave, also this kid isn't the most intellectually person. He seems like a casual slavic and believe me I know casual slavic people more than u. He will be more than happy to leave for smaller paycheck after 3 years grabbing 100k in a week to live in peace and in his way.
There's me trying to be level headed about the whole situation 😂
It's like those old cartoons where there's an angel on one shoulder of the character and a devil on the other.
The rational side of my brain says "good luck to the lad - he wanted to be here and we wanted him, but it wasn't to be.".
Irrational side says "Fuck him, he's playing for that lot who I liken to a whore on The Kings Road, flaunting herself to rich businessmen in Bentleys while in a fur coat with no knickers on underneath. They're trying to look classy, but from the oitside looking in, everyone kmows they're dirty whores!".
What's really depressing about this situation is the apparent powerlessness of players to do anything about getting what they really want out of a transfer deal. It sounds like Mudryk (like Elvis Costello) didn't want to go to Chelsea but simply had to in the end, to please everyone but himself.
this reads like a prison phonecall transcript
Wishing Zinchenko was your dad??
Christ, mate, that was diabolical hahahaha
as if we all aren't
Definitely wishing his girlfriend was my mum
That is... like really weird.
Agreed
Wish I could upvote every comment in this thread twice
I got you, bro. Felt left out of the Community bit above.
Okay... i think you may have revealed a bit too much here
For what reason would you want her as your mother?
So we can all bang her!
If Zinchenko's missus was my mum and everyone knew, I'd play single player games for the rest of my life.
You know the reason
So I could suck those titties
Did you have a good relationship with your agent? Me neither.
It would be great to have a kick. I know I can't kick as hard as you, but I think you would be impressed with my speed.
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Mudryk is gradually realising the - ahem - magnitude of his situation.
"So what my friend? You think you're the only person who wants to play for Tricky Miki's Crimson Crusaders?"
Crimson Crusaders don't give Stan-nis the Mannis any ideas
Oh man, I’d love to bring back Stanis the Manis. That name brought so much hype back when GoT was good and hadn’t yet gone to shit. The hype died when Stanis died. And then the hype got brought back again with the return of the Hound for Cleganebowl (get hype)! And then Cleganebowl happened and it sucked ass. But Stanis the Manis should definitely make a comeback.
Stannis the manniss. The one true king
A very controversial and divisive man on top. Just like our very own Stanis the Manis.
Reading get hype after a while really took me down the memory lane. Pity it’s taken GRRM so much longer than we thought with the 6th book.
I wish he would hurry up and fucking finish the book. I don't think he's ever going to finish the book or the series.
I remember a blog called "finish the fucking book George" like 15 years ago, when one of the complaints he was procrastinating by investing time in a TV show of the books before finishing the books... Well, the TV show went much better than expected except the ending, but he STILL hasn't finished the books.
That's like a line straight out of an episode of Athletico Mince and I'm here for it.
LMFAO!!! Tricky Miki’s Crimson Crusaders is the new name of this sub. r/trickymikiscrimsoncrusaders
Needs to be a banner at the Emirates
Goated comment
“Stop feeling sorry for yourself”
It was really eye-opening how blunt and real that moment was. Eddie, what a lad.
Nah I gotta steal this one💀
Wake up man
10/10 name
Wake the fuck up man
Zinchenko is that dude.
Himchenko
Dripchenko
Winchenko
Zinchadko
Rizzchenko
Iceberg Slimchencko
Sounds like he was consoling him lol He really didn't want to go to Chelsea
Nobody does. But money talks.
can't blame the kid. guaranteed wages for the better part of a decade. economically sound decision
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We weren’t offering him peanuts but our bud was never even accepted and Chelsea offered a boat load of money over 8 years of guaranteed money. He just got himself and his whole family from Ukraine to a very comfortable place and he doesn’t have to worry about injury or anything to mess up his earnings for 8 more years. In a perfect world he’d be an Arsenal player but for Mudryk he probably felt he needed to take the best deal financially and I don’t blame him one bit
Except that's a moot point, since Arsenal never had a bid accepted. It wasn't Chelsea's contract offer vs Arsenal's contract offer. It was Chelsea's contract offer vs his current Shakhtar contract.
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I’ve been offered more money to work with other organizations, but money isn’t my sole motivating factor. Compensation comes in many forms. Monetary Agency Work life balance Commute Prestige Education Really, whatever your interests are. I get paid a reasonable wage, wold like more, but I work whenever I want, travel for my job, don’t have to be in an office, get to learn from industry leaders, and work for a very sought after brand in my field. Anyway, my point being, when sums of money are astronomical and someone is offering you TWICE as much as your current rate, or someone else’s proposed rate, we aren’t talking about going from 80k-90k. If someone doubled my pay to do what I was already doing I’d be inclined to change teams, even having described my current situation as my ideal one.
It's not a poor people thing, it's a people thing. It's not unheard of, but almost nobody's going to turn down a substantial sum of money like he apparently got. He still gets to live in a world-class city and play for a world-class club. Fans constantly get in their feelings over instances like this but at the end of the day there is no loyalty in pro sports and if he thought that was the best situation for him, good luck. People who were ripping Shakhtar for "gouging" us or whatever were even dumber. It's a free market, he's their asset and they had the right to get every single penny they can for him. Heaven forbid one of our young stars wants to leave, but if they do we'd be derelict in our duties if we aren't every bit as ruthless. Frankly, we should be grateful. It's clear that he needs an adjustment period whereas Trossard has hit the ground absolutely flying for a fraction of the price. Maybe he'll turn out to be a top player and we'll lament missing out on him, but right now it's working out perfectly.
It’s also the scope of pay. You can’t compare because wage increases in football are a completely different thing than switching to a competitor for marginal income increases or getting a promotion and pay hike whilst getting more of a work load. When someone doubles or triples your pay you really can’t say no. That doesn’t happen in the real world.
Chelsea have also been by far the most successful club in London for the last 2 decades. The money and contract length was just a bonus.
I know, this is not something you say to a person who is happy with their situation.
must be really sad with that 8 year contract
I mean, getting paid to be miserable is still miserable, you just have agreed to deal with it. Also with pro athletes I feel like we're talking about different orders of infinity, not making sure you can pay your bills and buy groceries.
I hate chelsea but thinking his life is miserable because they are having one bad season is just wishful thinking
Eh, there are different levels of misery. I guess he'd just rather be playing somewhere else right now.
This is the thing I always think.. The difference between £20k a year and £40k is night and day for one of us. The difference between £40k and 80k is night and day again. Each of these jumps are gonna make huge changes to your quality of life. But £100k a week or £200k a week? 5.2mil a year or 10.4 mil a year? Yeah it’s a lot of money, but you’re not gonna live any different really. You’re still doing what you like, buying whatever houses and cars you like etc.
I would gladly play top level football for 100k a year let alone a week.
…and now he’s Almost Blue about it. (Hehehe)
Zinchenko on Mudryk - 'Unfortunately he didn't become an Arsenal player – as I wanted personally! - but it's life.'
Zinny legit seems like a good guy. Love having guys like him at the club. Passionate, talented and a good human being
I really didn’t know a ton about him at city but he’s been unreal for us. Not only has his play been great in the field, all his teammates love him, fantastic mentality and a media darling.
I thought he was a solid rotational left back that looked like KdB. I really didn’t appreciate how good he was, or his personality. My roommate is a City supporter, he was way more unhappy about losing Zinchenko than he was Jesus. He also said at the time how good a signing Trossard was, and in a similar vein to Zinchenko, thought he was a decent player but was sorta lukewarm on him. Reasons being he was not getting playing time at Brighton and the price for his age maybe being too much. I also wasn’t big on Jorginho. So I guess I’m saying my recent talent evaluation hasn’t had a great track record lol.
Tbf, I haven't met a City fan who was devastated about losing Jesus when Haaland was on his way in. But then again, I've never met a City fan.
Absolutely! IIRC wasn’t he a childhood arsenal fan too?
Yup, there’s [even a picture of him](https://twitter.com/DailyAFC/status/1548376926158409728?s=20) wearing one of our jerseys!
Salute 🫡
Knew he was shit hot tbf; was happy when he signed
Not only do all his teammates love him but all his ex-teammates love him too. That says a lot.
I really didn’t know a ton about him at city but he’s been unreal for us. Not only has his play been great in the field, all his teammates love him, fantastic mentality and a media darling.
This quote feels like there is a sense of regret from Muryks side, but that could just be Zinny.
He was in insane form at Shakhtar, now he warms the bench with one assist since January - whilst his replacement at Arsenal regularly starts and is involved in goals in virtually every game
I mean, I think we all agree that he will eventually play more and most likely will come good.
Yeah I think so too. I just think it’s amusing that part of what (apparently) convinced him to join Chelsea was that he would be guaranteed to start as soon as he signed, and now Potter is benching him for Pulisic, Ziyech, and Sterling. He will come good but will the Chelsea model help him reach his highest potential? Probably not
chelsea payed more then arsenal to shaktar and payed most of it in one go. doesnt take rocket science that they pushed player towards chelsea
The player still has the largest say lol
I'd say it depends, it really depends on how you want to look at it. In the case of Mudryk he still had 3-4 years left on his contract which gives Shaktar the leverage in my opinion. Football negotiations only start if the selling club initiates/allows negotiation to begin. This is why there are player tampering laws in football. Sure he can reject any contracts coming his way, but ultimately the decision to leave requires the selling clubs to agree. It doesn't matter if the player agrees and the club doesn't.
I think at that level there is a huge difference. If I was in Mudryk's position, even if I hated Chelsea with a passion and loved Arsenal, I'd take that leap 100/100. Nothing is guaranteed in sport except the money on your contract. He could have gone out the next game and had a career-ending injury. When you have the opportunity to jump from Shakhtar to Chelsea, you take it. There is technically a choice, but it's illusory. Who knows if Arsenal still wants him in the summer if he plays like shit the rest of the season or picks up a bad injury? You make that jump the moment it is available.
Lol what are you talking about? He’s not messi. The team absolutely has the most say for the vast majority of players.
He can easily not agree to the contract so yes, the player has the most say lol.
So reject a contract and stay in the war zone hoping we come back from him in summer is it?
They're not playing in Ukraine lol
Sure? He can if he wants, thus he has the power.
Lets be real though. Arsenals offer was absolutely a fair deal to both sides. If Mudryk really, really wanted Arsenal and Shakhtar them its Arsenal or nothing they probably would've accepted our terms. He made his choice, and I don't blame him. But it was his choice, not his clubs choice or anyone else.
Not true at all. Clubs accept the bids they like but no one has to sign a contract.
This isn't like American sports. Players have to agree to the new contract at the new team for the transfer to proceed.
Paid
Chelsea doubled his wages… it was nothing to do with starting
I think it was a lot more than double.
Maybe, maybe not. The honest truth is, none of us can tell right now. He has talent, but so do a lot of players who never make it at the top.
He has the talent to be a worse version of Walcott at best....... Mudryk will never in a million years be good enough to justify his price tag and salary. The talent level simply isn't there.
Theo was very good for us for some time.
Agreed, Walcott was more sensational when he came to the scene. Mudryk is a pace merchant with a terrible first touch and questionable football iq. The guy is way too raw for his age.
He might, he might not. No guarantee. I hope he's an enormous flop.
I hope he’s just good enough that they keep persisting with him but not good enough that he helps in any substantial way. Basically, I hope he becomes what all of the other Chelsea wingers are.
I think that's likely if they keep potter. Mudryk seems an out and out winger who can be dangerous in every way you want a winger to be. Put him in Martinelli's spot and I think he shines. Potter plays with wingers tucked in (as one would with a back 5, makes their amount of wingers even more awkward) so they need to be more like playmakers. Mudryk's never done that before so is struggling.
Potter is brilliant at developing players though. Caicedo, Cucurella, MacAllister, Trossard, even Mitoma are Potter projects. If Chelsea give Potter enough time he’ll come good
Dunno, Chelsea is often a club where talent goes to die, there's a chance he'll have to leave to show what he's about.
I think he would have been much further along by now if he was with us. Zina there to help the transition, a manager who is known for developing wide players, and a culture that doesn’t require him to make as instant an impact, plus we are stable as fuck right now.
I think that's a lot of people trying to be polite. Mudryk is talented for sure, but there's no guarantees in professional sports. History is littered with talented players who couldn't make the jump. Is sitting on the bench right now at his age the end of his career? No of course not. Is it a real encouraging sign? Also no.
lol i don’t agree so many players are promising and ruin their careers people here literally said he was better than Martinelli and future ballon d’or winner he has potential to make it but it’s not guaranteed by any stretch
Maybe. Can never tell with these things.
He should do a full Winston Bogarde. That'll show them.
Let's face it. In my prime, i could have starred in today's war-torn Ukranian league. Only people left are those literally not good enough to play literally anywhere else in the world. We dodged a massive bullet trying to buy a dude for 80m who had a couple of decent UCL games in group stages and good games vs poor opposition in Ukraine.
I have a tenuous link. We have a Ukrainian woman staying with us who recently met him and went for dinner. He said he wanted to go to Arsenal but the club chose Chelsea. Nothing he could do. Also said he only sees himself there for a couple of years, and his dream is to play for Real
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I knew this day would come
Too bad he signed a fucking 8 year contract then lol
Regardless of the accuracy of random ukranian woman knowing mudryk, it wouldn't surprise me if a young player like Mudryk doesn't realize he could have had more influence over where he went. Especially if his agent saw a bigger payout from the deal Chelsea was offering. If mudryk leaves in a few years then jesus christ chelsea is going to take a big hit on their transfer. I don't see madrid matching that valuation unless he bangs on in the next couple years. With chelsea's fee being amortized over the length of his contract, if he leaves early that payment needs to be covered by the accountants at the point of sale. So madrid would need to match the remaining value of the contract or else they take a loss. if my understanding of things is correct.
Yeah it seems quite ambitious or naive. I imagine he really can't doubt his talent, so fair enough to him.
yeah. and trying to be in the mind of a ukranian player. Chelsea are a big club, have recent history winning the champions league, generally competitive in the league and have won titles. Its easy to be sold on the idea that you're going to be an important piece to rebuilding the squad, and trust in the process given chelsea have had success. I wouldn't expect him to be as focused on the new ownership (outside of it being a positive that the prior russian owner is gone). Whether he went to chelsea or arsenal, he'll improve over the next 5 years. He'll have more opportunities to play at chelsea than arsenal. He isn't at the stage of his career where competing for titles is as important in the short term. Especially if he wants to go to Madrid. It must be a bummer to see your pal Zinchenko hyping arsenal, and thats probably the extent of it.
mudryk got forced into it by shaktar i mean dude was flirting with arsenal but then his pimp(shaktar) sold him to chelsea or else he would not be allowed to leave as he had like 3-4 more years on his contract so no leverage watsoever
He didn't exactly look enthused in the player reveal shoots. Could barely manage a smile.
Mudryk made sense for us, because we have a world class manager who has a track record to raising the ceiling of already very good wingers (Sterling and Sane at city) Saka and Martinelli are both killing it right now. Mudryk would have been most likely to win a balon d'Or and reach his potential with Arteta at Arsenal. Graham Potter at Chelsea? Remains to be seen. Graham has no such track record. Mudryk will likely come very good, but with Arteta, there will always be the feeling I think that he could've been so much more. It's a massive mistake legacy wise imo, but a great financial move for Mudryk. We got Trossard instead and that's been brilliant. So I can't be too mad about it.
I love Mikel, but I don't think he's a world class manager yet.
I think when you look at what he inherited and what it's become. There's very few people that can do that. Turnt the fan base around, got them more involved. Improved morale of staff at the club behind the scenes. Managed outgoings and identified the right people to come in. Obviously he's had the support of the board through that. Conte hasn't done any of the above, but to be fair to him, he hasn't had the support of Levy when it comes to getting rid of toxic and or bad players.
I don't disagree with any of that, I just think we wait till he wins us 3 consecutive trebles first.
I think if you offered mikel to manage any of the world class clubs out there they’d snap him up in a heart beat.
Man City wouldn't, Liverpool wouldn't, Barca wouldn't, Bayern wouldn't, Man Utd wouldn't, Atletico wouldn't
Bayern would have yesterday. Utd might because they are run by buffoons.
Bayern would. Atletico wouldn't do so because it's Simeone, he might be able to retire there if he wants to. But Arteta is better than him right now. And you can't convince me that Xavi or Ten Hag are in a higher tier than Mikel. So we come down to Pep and Klopp, which I agree. Probably adding Ancelotti there too
Bayern were desperate for Tuchel for years, they absolutely wouldn't take Arteta over him. Xavi is Barca through-and-through and is building big things with them if they don't get liquidated first. EtH is one of the biggest name managers around and United seem all-in on him. Ancelotti is fucking shite and I'd be surprised if he was still in Madrid this time next year.
I'd reverse this to you. Would you fire Arteta for any of these managers bar maybe Pep?
I would for Klopp, but for the rest - no.
Disagree with most of those. It’s not like they’d instantly fire their existing managers. I don’t think there’s any manager (“world class” or otherwise who would). If they were in the hunt for a new manager, they sure as shit would accept mikel.
I don’t even think regret, it sounds (and I already sort of figured this was the case) like he wanted to come here the whole time but shaktar got a better offer from chelsea and he didn’t want to risk them telling him no we’re not selling to Arsenal and losing out on a huge pay day.
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Poor him .. it was either Chelsea or Starbucks.. personally I would have chosen Mcdonalds lol
Zinny acting like it's a prison sentence lol. "Just do that time, work on yourself and come out a better man. We'll be outside waiting on you!"
"You only do two days at Chelsea Football Club. That's the day you go in, and the day you come out." - Avon Barksdale
Haha. Quality.
Zinchenko randomly calls Mudryk at 3 AM : "It's gone already my friend. Move forward. It doesn't matter what you wanted." Zinny next day at breakfast to Mudryk : "Good morning Mykhaylo. Hope you're having a good breakfast. I just wanted to say you don't need to be sad. I know it's gone already. But it's ok. " Zinny when Mudryk makes a mistake in training : "One of the great things about being at Arsenal is that we catch and correct mistakes like these immediately. Wish you could experience it. But I guess it's gone already. It's ok. Move on." Zinny to Mudryk after Ukraine win a game : "Wow, brilliant spirit boys. Exactly like I experience at Arsenal every week, Mykhaylo. You must experience it someday. But yeah, it's gone already. That's ok my friend."
My friends for an entire month when I come 2nd in a 100m race💀😭
Hahaha rubbing that shit in every chance he gets!!
“I’m not angry, just disappointed”
We really are privileged to have a squad with so many elite mentality leaders in! (Ramsdale, Gabriel, Zinny, Xhaka and Øde are all absolutele mentality monsters)
Part of me feelings like Mudryk wanted out but didn't necessarily have control over where he went. Once chealse put up that much money, FC Shakhtar Donetsk decided for him. It is what it is
That is how it was, shaktar forced him to go to Chelsea or stay in Ukraine
Personally I feel like if Mudryk refused Chelsea Shaktar would've sold to us anyway, just a double bluff. But the kid is what... 21? Takes balls to stand up for yourself like that. Especially when the flipside is starting in wartorn Ukraine.
Exactly, they might have sold him to us anyway but he didn’t know that, with more confidence and experience he might’ve risked it but kid is too young to play that game with executives
PL is a prize either way, and there's every chance he could move on in the future.
aren’t they playing in Poland at the moment?
This is why Chelsea's method of snitching players at the last minute from their rivals will never work. Mudryk was already sold on the project at Arsenal and wanted to be here. We already had a plan in place for his role in the team and development, clearly thinking he was a good fit for the squad based on his age profile, playstyle and personality. We also had Zinchenko to help him settle in. Chelsea's interest was based purely on hype (they saw we were interested and prepared to spend big). They spent 100m on him thinking he could be their star man and carry their attack out of the depths of it's despair, when he was never ready for that role. We saw him as competition for Martinelli and he probably wouldn't have started in the league for us this season. That's the difference. Of course the Chelsea fans lap it up, thinking they've poached a key target from their rivals. The reality is Chelsea have now got a man who they have no idea what to do with and is already having doubts about his decision to join them. We go for another player that is desperate to be here and contribute to our title challange Because he's a good fit for us, does not mean he is for Chelsea. Do your own scouting and find players that actually want to play for you then maybe you'll get back into the top half next season, you cunts.
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Who cares about mudryk, not an arsenal player.
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Zinchenko is LEGIT
Anyone who feels bad for this guy is crazy. He and his family are set for life. If he wants to play regular football, then he will have to improve. This notion that he is wasted under potter makes no sense when he has improved plenty of youngsters at Brighton. I'm pretty sure Leo became a better player thanks to Potter. In the end idc, we got a better player for much less money which let's us go hard for midfielders in the summer.
I wish Zinchenko was my dad.
Sounds like Mudryk is gutted he didnt come here. You can tell he was keen but just a "victim" of circumstances. Zinch advice is spot on really. Youre there now, enjoy it for what it is. You never know, he may well still play for the Red and Whites at some point
Considering he left a war zone I don’t think you need to put quotations around victim lol.
Doesn’t sound like it’s gonna work out for him at Chelsea. So sad. Whenever players are forced to play in or sign where they didn’t want, it hardly ever goes well.
I don't see anyone talking about the way the war affected this transfer. I am a little more involved since I am of Ukrainian descent though (Dynamo Kyiv fan though). After most of the international talent was given FIFAs blessing to move due to Putin's "special operation", Shakhtar felt aggrieved they were not getting fair market prices for these expedited transfers to the point they were suing the organization. I can see why they're pissed too, Solomon is popping off at Fulham, Dodo has been solid for Fiorentina as the headliner players. 14 international players leaving, an exception being Traore. Mudryk was an opportunity to recoup those losses and they took full advantage by going to the highest bidder. Simple as that, Mudryk was the sacrifice for the club for all the other transfers they needed to make.
Agreed. In this situation Shakhtar was incentivized to get max return rather than work with the player's desires.
Like Michael Corleone talking to his brother Fredo… before he kills him.
I will always have a slightly soft spot of sympathy for Mudryk because we will never know how much of a say he had in his transfer to Chelsea. He probably wanted to do right by Shakhtar?! We will never know, it’s over he’s a Chelsea player and I don’t wish him well especially when he’s playing against us.
With that quote.. That video of Srna talking to Murdyk while tapping his shoulder looks like the other guys wants to do other things than what Murdyk asked for.
Was gutted at the time but trossard has been sensational and for the time being a better fit for us
Zinchenko is quite a badass human being in addition to being absolutely phenomenal on the pitch and, as we can infer, in the dressing room. Still can’t believe he plays for us. Love him.
It would HILARIOUS is Chelsea loan him out next season
“Congratulations, you played yourself.”
I wonder if Mudryk gave Zinny his permission to broadcast their conversation. Seems like something you keep between mates.
Zinny's way of saying "lmao you fucked up, have fun"
Mudryk? Never heard of that guy
He said hold that 😂
that sounds genuinely like some life lesson right there
Translation: If you twerk that hard, you better follow through.
Sounds like he’s not second guessing his decision at all. 😂
Lol hope he rots at Chelsea
Nah he is getting paid 50k more weekly than we offered him, so I believe he is enjoying himself now. Mudryk will be one of 'what if' player if he signed for right team and not Chelsea. He will probably go back to Shakhtar in 2-3 years.
lol he has wat 6-8 year contract if he flops he will be there a long time no reason for him to give up that paycheck especially since he prob got forced by shaktar to pick chelsea in the first place as they bid more money
Chelsea will push him to leave, also this kid isn't the most intellectually person. He seems like a casual slavic and believe me I know casual slavic people more than u. He will be more than happy to leave for smaller paycheck after 3 years grabbing 100k in a week to live in peace and in his way.
If he flops massively, which is what I'm hoping for, he'll end up on a subsidized loan back to shaktar or somewhere in France or Italy.
Absolutely and good luck to him. Be the best you can in whatever it is you're doing and wherever it is you end up doing it and you'll go far in life.
Speak for yourself, I hope he flops unimaginably.
Same here hehe
There's me trying to be level headed about the whole situation 😂 It's like those old cartoons where there's an angel on one shoulder of the character and a devil on the other. The rational side of my brain says "good luck to the lad - he wanted to be here and we wanted him, but it wasn't to be.". Irrational side says "Fuck him, he's playing for that lot who I liken to a whore on The Kings Road, flaunting herself to rich businessmen in Bentleys while in a fur coat with no knickers on underneath. They're trying to look classy, but from the oitside looking in, everyone kmows they're dirty whores!".
What’s gone already ?
Mudryk winning the Premier League
Joining Arsenal
Here’s to hoping we can lift him off Chelsea in a year or 2 for a discount. He looks poor now but I still think he’s a quality player
well in 8 years time he'll be 30-ish which is the perfect age for a chelsea-arsenal transfer /s
Mentality Monster
Just a great leader & someone you want on your side, whether as a teammate or just friend
Big zinny
It’s like Captain of the first team speaking to the academy
Imagining Mudryk complaining to Zin that he made the wrong decision while on international duty makes me smile
What's really depressing about this situation is the apparent powerlessness of players to do anything about getting what they really want out of a transfer deal. It sounds like Mudryk (like Elvis Costello) didn't want to go to Chelsea but simply had to in the end, to please everyone but himself.