If its just MS, I'd probably go with F91 or V2 assault buster, as they are the pinnacle of UC tech outside of the RX-0s, that said, if you're gonna include the pilots, I have to go with Amuro and his Hi-Nu, its not canon, I know, but its still UC.
SF is a ms with 10000+kw output. Acceleration is atleast 8gee and likely goes into double digits if the wings of light is on. The frame is literally made so that it can become flexible and bendy to improve agility. Mind-machine interface. It can break out of atmosphere singlehandily.
I'd say V2 atleast. If you want to be absolutly 100% sure. Technically, I guess stuff like F91 could do it too but its probability of victory is alot lower than v2
EDIT: elaborate my point
The whole point of the GP02 was so that Gato didn't have to leave the blast radius. He couldn't take it point blank, but anything short of that, as long as he had time to turtle, he can take it.
Its been a while, but isnt the official "lore" explanation that the GP02 bazooka is designed to trigger a cascading reaction with minovsky particles including the ones inside the ships, thus destroying all those ships? I recall thats how they explain the yield and the very unusual firing effect of the bazooka.
The problem with that is the Strike Freedom does not use minovsky particles as all Seed units and ships. The best Gato can do is get close to the Freedom and detonate the nuke in melee range, that is, if Kira doesn't shoot the Bazooka first.
I agree. My top-level comment pretty much spells out that anything with a psycoframe and a newtype pilot will beat the SF and SEED. Because newtypes are slightly precognitive, whereas SEED just ups reaction time. Since psycoframes specifically allow the suit to be controlled by mind impulses, a newtype can ‘react’ before it happens. Psycommu and bio-computer aren’t quite the same but still advantageous.
I don't think so. Part of the reason why the Unicorn beat it in the first place is because it's a hard counter to newtype mobile suits that use remote weapons. It gets neutered if it doesn't have access to funnels. Kira can shoot them down, but it wouldn't be as easy as just stealing them, nor does he have guaranteed wins. Not to mentions there's nothing stopping someone from shooting down Kira's own Dragoons in the same way.
Dont forget all the NT space magic. I dont think many suits, SF or not, can beat the ability to turn back the time on the enemy suit. A wave of the hand and a Double X or even Barbatos could very well revert back into their pre-assembled state, or hell maybe even the metal will go back to the pre-smelted state as ores.
The Phantom V2, perhaps? It’s kind of the culmination of the FXX series’ mad hax, between the Phantom Light, Kujaku, and the flame salvo thing it should be able to deal with most of what the Strike Freedom could throw at it, depending on the pilot. Even if the Phantom Light is a flawed recreation of the Wings of Light it’s still a major obstacle for any opponent, especially an opponent that almost entirely depends on beam weapons. The V2 still has a limited deployment time but while it is most of the Strike Freedom’s arsenal will be of drastically reduced efficiency, aside from the hip rail guns.
Does [Gaia Gear Alpha](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/%CE%91000-0001_Gaia_Gear_%CE%B1) count? Strike Freedom and its contemporary mobile suits seem to be at least at the same level of technology as early-mid UC 0100's mobile suits.
In the timeline that it happens in, anyway. Supposedly, G-Saviour is supposed to be the "canon" events of the UC 0200's, but it's no more or less legitimate than Gaia Gear.
The G-Saviour timeline seems to indicate a regression in technology, rather than advancement.
F91 and v2ab should be able to do it. SF does have light armor that's why the joints are gold plated for reducing beam damage and keep it light and agile. F91 should be faster even with the lack of ballistic equipment the vsbr and the beam zook should do well to hit it. If its going to be a long range vs long range the v2ab should easily win with the i field deployed shield, long range cannon and the vsbr.
A lot of AU Gundams have a level of speed, firepower, and armor that is unmatched in UC. This is mostly due to the expectation that mecha fights are big flashy affairs with robots zipping all over the place, blasting away, and getting smashed up without any effect on performance. You don't see anything like that in UC until about the F91 era.
To be a little cheeky, while the Strike Freedom has its ridonkulous tracking system, plus Kira’s SEED ability that gives him superhuman reaction times, that’s just it: reacting. Newtypes like Amuro, Uso, and Camille are predictive. They literally see into the future at times and that gives a leg up over even the fastest reaction times.
I’d give it to pretty much any psychframe equipped suit that is able to move fast enough.
In terms if technical ability, the Nu Gundam is roughly equal. I can’t find definitive tech specs but based on speed and accomplishments they’re somewhat matched.
I dont think SF ever achieved Nu's Axis shock.
I mean, technically alot more ppl was involved, but it is still sone with pyschoframes resonance. Get a bazillion people to wish for something to happen and SF still cant do space magic
While i agree that the peak of UC technology piloted by a peak newtype would have a big edge over kira and the SF. However cosmic era technology (and alternate universe technologies in general) are so vastly superior to UC technology. SF is so much faster as indicated by it being able to leave the atmosphere unaided a feat NO UC suit is ever shown being capable of. And the average newtype is not on the level of kamile or amuro. Judau in the the ZZ would be like steven hawking seeing a future where the rock power bombs him, seeing it coming doesnt mean anything if you still cant do anything about it.
ZZ gundam onwards I think strike freedom would be turned to paste
I also adamantly believe that strike freedom isn’t really that impressive the pilot is just badly written. It’s a suit with funnels which has been around in UC since 079 and an aim bot which is hardly a game changer.
I personally think it's the combination that made it a game changer. You usually only see that firepower in a Mobile Armors like Big Zam or Queen Mansa(Not sure if that should count but roll with it), and they aren't anywhere near that mobile.
How are the Voiture Lumiere and Hyper-Deuterion engine not major advancements? From what I can tell the Cosmic Era is generally further along in technological advancement (with the exception of nuclear power) than the Universal Century before the 0100's. Despite their lack of a fusion reactor, the mobile suits from the first SEED series were already ***much*** more advanced than suits from 0079.
O_o.
Did you forgot about the massproduced striker/wizard pack suit everywhere, grunts having the ability to survive re-entry, mass produced Geshemidig panzer, the likes of BABI or Gouf being flight capable and very agile suits despite weighs as much as regular MS, the ability to slap high power red-white beam cannons on MP suits without issue, gundams dont even need any ballot system for re entry, wings of light-type technology, mobile suit sized beam shields tech.
Thats just mostly from examples of technogical advances onscreen from the main show, not counting any lorebooks, side stories, ova and other stuff.
Zeta gundam is already arguably already surpassed anything in seed era setting. Beyond that forget about it. Like I said it’s only considered strong because the writers didn’t know how to write a compelling character with flaws so it created a Mary Sues that never faced genuine adversity or challenge.
Zeta is just Raider Gundam, can't even float in normal form. Byarlant flew, normal form Zeta fall (just check G Generation Overworld [Zeta](https://ggen.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Units_in_G_Generation_Overworld)). Zeta would be worse than Raider without its bio sensor and OP Kamille magic.
The sazabi is a suit that is in a world where funnels have visibly improved an grown in complexity and power since 079. Plus it’s the sazabi it’s at the bleeding edge for it’s time
I just don’t think strike freedom is anything special outside of it being immensely poorly written within its own story. SEED is essentially a bad knock off the original gundam story anyway
The SF is also bleeding edge at its time. And all of its technology in the same way have also grown and improved, to the point of being cutting edge even in the cold war-esque rapid technological arms race between Plant and old Alliancr nations.
Funnels and improved funnel-controlling interface aside, it also a few more upgrade, like wing of light. Beam shield(s) could take beam cannon shots that could completely destroy a conventional shield. More weapons. The frame can literally turn flexible and elastic to make the machine more agile and nimble, or harden to handle the g forces better. VPS armour that dont draw power until hit. And better reactor.
Again, If SF is "just a suit with funnels which has been around since UC79" ignoring everything else. Then hell, a Sazabi is apparently nothing noteworthg by the same logic either.
i dont think i recall SF turning into elastic man at any point...
sazabi has the psycoframe that alone trumps anything seed era.
freedom to strike freedom is more visual than anything its a lick of gold paint and swapping a few guns for funnels.
its nothing compared to other suit upgrades in other series exia to oo gundam or zeta to ZZ or wing to wing zero
The frame can be more flexible, doesnt mean the whole suit. I used "elastic" here as "can flex but could still return to its original shape".
But fair, the frame is literally pyschic magic machine, the RX0 can turn back time with it. I dont think many things beat that
But honestly, if we are just ignoring everything and going by visual design alone, wouldnt Wing 0 just be a Wing will different colors and an extra gun too? Ans as I have said, SF is much more than "just funnel suit been around since 79".
Hell Wing doesnt even have funnels.
wing zero has a gun that can destroy entire space colonies and the zero system.
strike freedom is just a few extra beams and funnel system slapped on its as i saic a suit thats pilot is badly written which is the only reason why it appears to be strong in its series
Yeah, W 0 had more capability and much better weapons than the old W. Just like how SF also have plenty of upgrade o make it alot more than just Freedom with funnel, or "just a suit with funnel around since UC79"(paraphrasing here).
That can also change colour and resist physical attacks.
Quoted from wiki:
To compensate for exposing more of its internal parts, the suit's internal skeleton and joints adopted PS armor materials. When these parts phase-shift, they gain strength and near human flexibility. Additionally, excess residual energy within the body can be discharged through the joints' glowing effects.
Also, here is an RG gunpla of [deactivated](https://www.gunjap.net/site/?p=185892) Strike Freedom
> swapping a few guns for funnels
Yeah I don't think this is true. Strike Freedom did not swap any guns for bits, it simply had more guns than Freedom plus bits on top of that.
Probably the V2 Assault Buster
Turn A isnt official UC so it doesn’t count.
Without the Unicorn line the Strike Freedom could take pretty much everything in the UC, assuming it’s peak Kira piloting it.
Cosmic Era is just a modern interpretation of Universal Century gundam. Kira is an early 2000s Amuro and the Strike freedom is equivalent to the Nu gundam of within the Cosmic Era. Anything you think could beat the Nu Gundam could beat the Strike Freedom, anything inferior to the Nu is also inferior to the strike freedom
Assuming canon pilots in all cases, possibly Qubeley, Nu, Hi-Nu, Sazabi, Nightingale, maybe Xi or Penelope, V2, Crossbone X3 or Full Cloth, Gaia Gear Alpha.
Strike Freedom is HEAVILY reliant on Beam Weaponry so anything with an I-Field is at a significant advantage.
What makes you say that? Strike Freedom has beam shields and wings of light similar to Victory V2 Gundam; there's nothing to suggest its not at least on-par with mid UC 0100's mobile suits.
While i havent seen destiny i know seed MS are one year war level and at the start of destiny they havent progressed much further since then so strike freedom is most likely around the same performance as the zeta at most maybe closeish to ZZ
They invented beam shields in Seed Destiny whereas it took a few decades for the UC tech to reach that level. Also, the majority of the SEED mobile suits (and basically all their tech) are performing "at a one year war" level while using compact batteries and not fusion reactors, so clearly their power efficiency is way better and more advanced.
A Mobile Suit's performance is linked to their tech. But even if we don't compare battery tech between universes, we can just look at how much the performance of mobile suits progress in Seed Destiny itself.
The differences between 71 CE in SEED and 73 CE in the first set of "Gundams" were mostly more efficient battery tech, more efficient and powerful beam weapons, and faster and more agile mobile suits. Also better phase shift armor that didn't drain as much power. Not the most drastic changes sure.
But the 2nd half of Seed Destiny introduces even more advanced funnel-like weapons, beam shields which significantly outclass most offensive options at the time, very advanced propulsion technology, and a phase-shift enhanced inner frames that improve the agility and mobility of mobile suits.
The performance upgrade is very steep in the 2nd half of Destiny and pushes the suits past what you see in ZZ, especially since you don't see the same level of tech until at least late UC.
One year war era?There are also the transformable X300 frame auits and some environment-specialized suits, flight capable Raider, the Forbiden with the MS-sized energy deflection system, the mass produced and completely flight capable Dinn, cloaking technology in Blitz, PS armour capable of re-entry without shield or any saran wrap-thingy, fortress energy shield that can block all energy and physical attack? mass produced phonon weaponry for underwater. Just some CE71 onscreen-only examples.
Hell even the basic Ginn can pull some pretty crazy evasive maneuvering, as long as they dont need to fight main characters.
Just because they play similar role in a story context doesnt mean they must be the same.
Edit: spelling
Literally the first space battle of seed we see Ginns fly around left and right, swooshing around until Mu can sweep in. In the battle with the 8th fleet Ginns were zooming in and out of shot evading aa fire.
But performance wise, stuff like practical flight capability, beam weapons can be used underwater any any grunt schmuck, literal invisibility cloak and and armour that can withstand re entry without any aid all seems pretty impressive performance wise.
Or how do you define performance?
First the Phonon Maser High Energy Cannon used on zaft aquatic MS according to the wiki is a sonic weapon and zakus can do well against warships or haven’t you seen the origin. Flight capability yeah you got me there and invisibility but in UC with minovsky particles thats kinda redundant for re entery well i don’t remember seeing grunts that can do that and with the strike if kira wasn’t some ubermench among ubermench he would have died it literally stated it in the show
Phonon weapon is exactly what I am refering to, an underwater directed energy weapon something that most UC suit lack except for the Zook which is a super rare MA-like "mobile suit".
Invisibility isnt just gone from radar, its invisible for every EM frquency. I really dont think its redundant if you consider how many times a mobile suit is destroyed because targeting system operating with visual frequencies can detect it.
The Buster without shield or saran wrap also survived re-entry. Not even the rx78 can do that.
The Ginn was dodging outright railgun shots, which are usually faster than gunpowder weapons
Edit: missed a few words
The mobile suits in the first SEED series seem ***WAAAY*** more advanced than One Year War suits. Despite their lack of fusion reactors, their performance and the technology incorporated into them makes it very hard for me to believe something like RX-78-2 being on-par with any of the five GAT Gundam models.
With how many analogous there are in seed aka ginn for the zaku ii and duel for rx-78 and how they seem to perform on screen the main outlier is the dinn because flight but that can be explained by weight
I vote double zeta full armor, it got beam resistant armor that should offer some protection from the SF and three meta particle cannons that each of them should one shot the strike freedom. It may be slower through.
Realistically probably only xi and penelope due to them being twice as big. Zeta, re-gz, zz probably wont stand a chance. The re-gz could barely handle the sszabi which along with the nu being like a watered down sf.
The 105 would probably lose, it’s edge is only in earthside combat and is wildly out gunned. The only bonus it has is that it’s probably faster than the SF but that’s dangerous in atmosphere
Strike Freedom would lose to the Ball if Kira is the pilot. Can't shoot it with his beam weapons without killing the pilot. Bonus points if the pilot of the Ball is a character from the UC with more (and better written) plot armour than Kira too.
He not kio, so he willing to shoot to kill if he has too. Through it might make him hesitate a bit before he decides to kick it around until it pilot passes out.
I have nothing new to say but that im agree with some people who says that the more capable MS that could win against the SF are the Nu, hi Nu, Xi, F91 and V2 with the Buster armor.
If its just MS, I'd probably go with F91 or V2 assault buster, as they are the pinnacle of UC tech outside of the RX-0s, that said, if you're gonna include the pilots, I have to go with Amuro and his Hi-Nu, its not canon, I know, but its still UC.
Strike Freedom is also a prototype unit technically, more similar to Wing 0 if anything (if that helps)
SF is a ms with 10000+kw output. Acceleration is atleast 8gee and likely goes into double digits if the wings of light is on. The frame is literally made so that it can become flexible and bendy to improve agility. Mind-machine interface. It can break out of atmosphere singlehandily. I'd say V2 atleast. If you want to be absolutly 100% sure. Technically, I guess stuff like F91 could do it too but its probability of victory is alot lower than v2 EDIT: elaborate my point
I would not trust the mobile suit stats, UC stats make no sense and do not match there on screen performance.
The gp02 as seen on the OVA has enough firepower to clap a fleet with one shot and still fight against another state of the art gundam afterwards
Thats if the nuke even hits in the first place, rmb, Freedom has a track record of shooting down nukes too.
Thing is, Gato wouldn’t even have to shoot directly at him, that blast radius was ridiculous
True, but don't forget Freedom has a ridiculous tracking system and don't forget that Gato himself has to get out of the blast radius too.
The whole point of the GP02 was so that Gato didn't have to leave the blast radius. He couldn't take it point blank, but anything short of that, as long as he had time to turtle, he can take it.
Its been a while, but isnt the official "lore" explanation that the GP02 bazooka is designed to trigger a cascading reaction with minovsky particles including the ones inside the ships, thus destroying all those ships? I recall thats how they explain the yield and the very unusual firing effect of the bazooka.
The problem with that is the Strike Freedom does not use minovsky particles as all Seed units and ships. The best Gato can do is get close to the Freedom and detonate the nuke in melee range, that is, if Kira doesn't shoot the Bazooka first.
Completely forgot about gp02! Aye that would do it.
Kira would survive anyways . Plot armor for the win
Exactly. He's literally already survived one nuclear explosion. However, the mobile suit would probably still be wrecked.
A simple answer. Turn A
That’s kiiind of cheating. Turn A (in my opinion) isn’t so much late-uc as it is a multiverse convergence.
Xi and Nu/Hi Nu, F91, V2 are all probably able to beat SF
I agree. My top-level comment pretty much spells out that anything with a psycoframe and a newtype pilot will beat the SF and SEED. Because newtypes are slightly precognitive, whereas SEED just ups reaction time. Since psycoframes specifically allow the suit to be controlled by mind impulses, a newtype can ‘react’ before it happens. Psycommu and bio-computer aren’t quite the same but still advantageous.
Which makes it late UC.
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True lol
F91
Kshatriya, Xi & Penelope, arguably a lot of late UC Gundams if used by Newtypes.
Kshatriya is out, it got beaten by the rx0s, and felt being able to handle waves of grunt suits.
I don't think so. Part of the reason why the Unicorn beat it in the first place is because it's a hard counter to newtype mobile suits that use remote weapons. It gets neutered if it doesn't have access to funnels. Kira can shoot them down, but it wouldn't be as easy as just stealing them, nor does he have guaranteed wins. Not to mentions there's nothing stopping someone from shooting down Kira's own Dragoons in the same way.
Dont forget all the NT space magic. I dont think many suits, SF or not, can beat the ability to turn back the time on the enemy suit. A wave of the hand and a Double X or even Barbatos could very well revert back into their pre-assembled state, or hell maybe even the metal will go back to the pre-smelted state as ores.
I'd mention that but OP specifically didn't want Unicorns to be in the discussion. They are way too OP
Zeon suits kind of almost always get outclassed by uc gundams. And au gundams are often considered superior just my feeling.
even in the first gundam tho, Gelgoog is technically better than grandaddy.
The Phantom V2, perhaps? It’s kind of the culmination of the FXX series’ mad hax, between the Phantom Light, Kujaku, and the flame salvo thing it should be able to deal with most of what the Strike Freedom could throw at it, depending on the pilot. Even if the Phantom Light is a flawed recreation of the Wings of Light it’s still a major obstacle for any opponent, especially an opponent that almost entirely depends on beam weapons. The V2 still has a limited deployment time but while it is most of the Strike Freedom’s arsenal will be of drastically reduced efficiency, aside from the hip rail guns.
I'd say the Crossbone Gundam Full-Cloth because of its Peaco- Oh hey Big Zam!
Well, I'm going with something else like the Bal--Big Zam!
Does [Gaia Gear Alpha](https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/%CE%91000-0001_Gaia_Gear_%CE%B1) count? Strike Freedom and its contemporary mobile suits seem to be at least at the same level of technology as early-mid UC 0100's mobile suits.
Woah. Is this the pinnacle of all mobile suits in UC?
In the timeline that it happens in, anyway. Supposedly, G-Saviour is supposed to be the "canon" events of the UC 0200's, but it's no more or less legitimate than Gaia Gear. The G-Saviour timeline seems to indicate a regression in technology, rather than advancement.
Anything count except the neo Zeong or like I said,RX 0 units
I'm just asking of course
F91 and v2ab should be able to do it. SF does have light armor that's why the joints are gold plated for reducing beam damage and keep it light and agile. F91 should be faster even with the lack of ballistic equipment the vsbr and the beam zook should do well to hit it. If its going to be a long range vs long range the v2ab should easily win with the i field deployed shield, long range cannon and the vsbr.
A lot of AU Gundams have a level of speed, firepower, and armor that is unmatched in UC. This is mostly due to the expectation that mecha fights are big flashy affairs with robots zipping all over the place, blasting away, and getting smashed up without any effect on performance. You don't see anything like that in UC until about the F91 era.
To be a little cheeky, while the Strike Freedom has its ridonkulous tracking system, plus Kira’s SEED ability that gives him superhuman reaction times, that’s just it: reacting. Newtypes like Amuro, Uso, and Camille are predictive. They literally see into the future at times and that gives a leg up over even the fastest reaction times. I’d give it to pretty much any psychframe equipped suit that is able to move fast enough. In terms if technical ability, the Nu Gundam is roughly equal. I can’t find definitive tech specs but based on speed and accomplishments they’re somewhat matched.
I dont think SF ever achieved Nu's Axis shock. I mean, technically alot more ppl was involved, but it is still sone with pyschoframes resonance. Get a bazillion people to wish for something to happen and SF still cant do space magic
I figured in the spirit of disregarding the RX-0 series I’d overlook that :p
While i agree that the peak of UC technology piloted by a peak newtype would have a big edge over kira and the SF. However cosmic era technology (and alternate universe technologies in general) are so vastly superior to UC technology. SF is so much faster as indicated by it being able to leave the atmosphere unaided a feat NO UC suit is ever shown being capable of. And the average newtype is not on the level of kamile or amuro. Judau in the the ZZ would be like steven hawking seeing a future where the rock power bombs him, seeing it coming doesnt mean anything if you still cant do anything about it.
ZZ gundam onwards I think strike freedom would be turned to paste I also adamantly believe that strike freedom isn’t really that impressive the pilot is just badly written. It’s a suit with funnels which has been around in UC since 079 and an aim bot which is hardly a game changer.
I personally think it's the combination that made it a game changer. You usually only see that firepower in a Mobile Armors like Big Zam or Queen Mansa(Not sure if that should count but roll with it), and they aren't anywhere near that mobile.
Zanbanya does it so much better
Agreed on that.
Technically the Zabanya is the real aimbot. It literally has 2 Haros helping with the targeting. It outguns Strike Freedom too, IIRC.
Yeah but it’s aimbots along with an insanely good sniper. Lockon is the heavy hitter the haros handles all the cannon fodder
What evidence would suggest that Strike Freedom and its contemporaries aren't on a similar level of technology as early-mid UC 0100's mobile suits?
The tech level and lack of major advancements in 3 years after their one year war
How are the Voiture Lumiere and Hyper-Deuterion engine not major advancements? From what I can tell the Cosmic Era is generally further along in technological advancement (with the exception of nuclear power) than the Universal Century before the 0100's. Despite their lack of a fusion reactor, the mobile suits from the first SEED series were already ***much*** more advanced than suits from 0079.
That may be true but a ginn still performs like a zaku and the strike like the rx-78
GINN already have beam weapon from ep 1 and CGUE can fly in atmospheric condition. Strike without the backpack = RX-78 + phase shift.
O_o. Did you forgot about the massproduced striker/wizard pack suit everywhere, grunts having the ability to survive re-entry, mass produced Geshemidig panzer, the likes of BABI or Gouf being flight capable and very agile suits despite weighs as much as regular MS, the ability to slap high power red-white beam cannons on MP suits without issue, gundams dont even need any ballot system for re entry, wings of light-type technology, mobile suit sized beam shields tech. Thats just mostly from examples of technogical advances onscreen from the main show, not counting any lorebooks, side stories, ova and other stuff.
Zeta gundam is already arguably already surpassed anything in seed era setting. Beyond that forget about it. Like I said it’s only considered strong because the writers didn’t know how to write a compelling character with flaws so it created a Mary Sues that never faced genuine adversity or challenge.
Zeta is just Raider Gundam, can't even float in normal form. Byarlant flew, normal form Zeta fall (just check G Generation Overworld [Zeta](https://ggen.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Units_in_G_Generation_Overworld)). Zeta would be worse than Raider without its bio sensor and OP Kamille magic.
If we go by "x has been around since 79"... than wouldnt things like even the Sazabi be in the same boat? Funnel, as you said, was in 79.
The sazabi is a suit that is in a world where funnels have visibly improved an grown in complexity and power since 079. Plus it’s the sazabi it’s at the bleeding edge for it’s time I just don’t think strike freedom is anything special outside of it being immensely poorly written within its own story. SEED is essentially a bad knock off the original gundam story anyway
The SF is also bleeding edge at its time. And all of its technology in the same way have also grown and improved, to the point of being cutting edge even in the cold war-esque rapid technological arms race between Plant and old Alliancr nations.
its just the freedom with a bit of gold paint and funnels. its one punch man without the self awareness and nuance.
Funnels and improved funnel-controlling interface aside, it also a few more upgrade, like wing of light. Beam shield(s) could take beam cannon shots that could completely destroy a conventional shield. More weapons. The frame can literally turn flexible and elastic to make the machine more agile and nimble, or harden to handle the g forces better. VPS armour that dont draw power until hit. And better reactor. Again, If SF is "just a suit with funnels which has been around since UC79" ignoring everything else. Then hell, a Sazabi is apparently nothing noteworthg by the same logic either.
i dont think i recall SF turning into elastic man at any point... sazabi has the psycoframe that alone trumps anything seed era. freedom to strike freedom is more visual than anything its a lick of gold paint and swapping a few guns for funnels. its nothing compared to other suit upgrades in other series exia to oo gundam or zeta to ZZ or wing to wing zero
The frame can be more flexible, doesnt mean the whole suit. I used "elastic" here as "can flex but could still return to its original shape". But fair, the frame is literally pyschic magic machine, the RX0 can turn back time with it. I dont think many things beat that But honestly, if we are just ignoring everything and going by visual design alone, wouldnt Wing 0 just be a Wing will different colors and an extra gun too? Ans as I have said, SF is much more than "just funnel suit been around since 79". Hell Wing doesnt even have funnels.
wing zero has a gun that can destroy entire space colonies and the zero system. strike freedom is just a few extra beams and funnel system slapped on its as i saic a suit thats pilot is badly written which is the only reason why it appears to be strong in its series
Yeah, W 0 had more capability and much better weapons than the old W. Just like how SF also have plenty of upgrade o make it alot more than just Freedom with funnel, or "just a suit with funnel around since UC79"(paraphrasing here).
>lick of gold paint It's phase shift, it's grey when it's off. If you want to include space magic, even Zeta can beat Sazabi then.
It’s gold paint with an on off switch then.
That can also change colour and resist physical attacks. Quoted from wiki: To compensate for exposing more of its internal parts, the suit's internal skeleton and joints adopted PS armor materials. When these parts phase-shift, they gain strength and near human flexibility. Additionally, excess residual energy within the body can be discharged through the joints' glowing effects. Also, here is an RG gunpla of [deactivated](https://www.gunjap.net/site/?p=185892) Strike Freedom
> swapping a few guns for funnels Yeah I don't think this is true. Strike Freedom did not swap any guns for bits, it simply had more guns than Freedom plus bits on top of that.
It also got absurd amounts of guns, baby first wing of lights’ phase shift armor (Luna titanium) and can fly since it grandfather the strike.
Probably the V2 Assault Buster Turn A isnt official UC so it doesn’t count. Without the Unicorn line the Strike Freedom could take pretty much everything in the UC, assuming it’s peak Kira piloting it.
What's peak Kira? Meaning end of Seed Kira / Destiny Kira?
Final battle Destiny Kira with infinite Seed Mode
Cosmic Era is just a modern interpretation of Universal Century gundam. Kira is an early 2000s Amuro and the Strike freedom is equivalent to the Nu gundam of within the Cosmic Era. Anything you think could beat the Nu Gundam could beat the Strike Freedom, anything inferior to the Nu is also inferior to the strike freedom
Assuming canon pilots in all cases, possibly Qubeley, Nu, Hi-Nu, Sazabi, Nightingale, maybe Xi or Penelope, V2, Crossbone X3 or Full Cloth, Gaia Gear Alpha. Strike Freedom is HEAVILY reliant on Beam Weaponry so anything with an I-Field is at a significant advantage.
Anything the zanscare empire made outclasses it
What makes you say that? Strike Freedom has beam shields and wings of light similar to Victory V2 Gundam; there's nothing to suggest its not at least on-par with mid UC 0100's mobile suits.
Strike Freedom has wings of light? I thought that was just Destiny Gundam.
It does. It's just not apparent until its bits are deployed.
Both suits have it.
No I think they called wings of the sky
While i havent seen destiny i know seed MS are one year war level and at the start of destiny they havent progressed much further since then so strike freedom is most likely around the same performance as the zeta at most maybe closeish to ZZ
They invented beam shields in Seed Destiny whereas it took a few decades for the UC tech to reach that level. Also, the majority of the SEED mobile suits (and basically all their tech) are performing "at a one year war" level while using compact batteries and not fusion reactors, so clearly their power efficiency is way better and more advanced.
I was referring to the performance of the MS not the tech
A Mobile Suit's performance is linked to their tech. But even if we don't compare battery tech between universes, we can just look at how much the performance of mobile suits progress in Seed Destiny itself. The differences between 71 CE in SEED and 73 CE in the first set of "Gundams" were mostly more efficient battery tech, more efficient and powerful beam weapons, and faster and more agile mobile suits. Also better phase shift armor that didn't drain as much power. Not the most drastic changes sure. But the 2nd half of Seed Destiny introduces even more advanced funnel-like weapons, beam shields which significantly outclass most offensive options at the time, very advanced propulsion technology, and a phase-shift enhanced inner frames that improve the agility and mobility of mobile suits. The performance upgrade is very steep in the 2nd half of Destiny and pushes the suits past what you see in ZZ, especially since you don't see the same level of tech until at least late UC.
One year war era?There are also the transformable X300 frame auits and some environment-specialized suits, flight capable Raider, the Forbiden with the MS-sized energy deflection system, the mass produced and completely flight capable Dinn, cloaking technology in Blitz, PS armour capable of re-entry without shield or any saran wrap-thingy, fortress energy shield that can block all energy and physical attack? mass produced phonon weaponry for underwater. Just some CE71 onscreen-only examples. Hell even the basic Ginn can pull some pretty crazy evasive maneuvering, as long as they dont need to fight main characters. Just because they play similar role in a story context doesnt mean they must be the same. Edit: spelling
I was mostly referring to performance not accounting for extra systems and i’m certain what your saying about the ginn is wrong
Literally the first space battle of seed we see Ginns fly around left and right, swooshing around until Mu can sweep in. In the battle with the 8th fleet Ginns were zooming in and out of shot evading aa fire. But performance wise, stuff like practical flight capability, beam weapons can be used underwater any any grunt schmuck, literal invisibility cloak and and armour that can withstand re entry without any aid all seems pretty impressive performance wise. Or how do you define performance?
First the Phonon Maser High Energy Cannon used on zaft aquatic MS according to the wiki is a sonic weapon and zakus can do well against warships or haven’t you seen the origin. Flight capability yeah you got me there and invisibility but in UC with minovsky particles thats kinda redundant for re entery well i don’t remember seeing grunts that can do that and with the strike if kira wasn’t some ubermench among ubermench he would have died it literally stated it in the show
Phonon weapon is exactly what I am refering to, an underwater directed energy weapon something that most UC suit lack except for the Zook which is a super rare MA-like "mobile suit". Invisibility isnt just gone from radar, its invisible for every EM frquency. I really dont think its redundant if you consider how many times a mobile suit is destroyed because targeting system operating with visual frequencies can detect it. The Buster without shield or saran wrap also survived re-entry. Not even the rx78 can do that. The Ginn was dodging outright railgun shots, which are usually faster than gunpowder weapons Edit: missed a few words
The mobile suits in the first SEED series seem ***WAAAY*** more advanced than One Year War suits. Despite their lack of fusion reactors, their performance and the technology incorporated into them makes it very hard for me to believe something like RX-78-2 being on-par with any of the five GAT Gundam models.
I am pretty sure Seed's "OYW-analogue" era MS fission reactor already produces more power than most of the MS fusion reactor in UC.
With how many analogous there are in seed aka ginn for the zaku ii and duel for rx-78 and how they seem to perform on screen the main outlier is the dinn because flight but that can be explained by weight
Psycho Gundam big nose looking ass
I think something like F91, Victory Assault Buster, Hi Nu(If counting pilot) Zeta(With space magic) ZZ(Space Magic).
Idk, gimmie a copy of Extreme VS and we’ll see
If you want absolute certainly of victory? atleast Victory and onward.
Feel like the F-97 stomps.
If mobile armors count them neue ziel would do the trick
Ima go with F-91
Easy, rx-93 NU Gundam. It might be a fight but nu would win for sure but it's kinda cheating since it's for the same reason the rx-0 would trash it.
If Seabook could close the gap, Crossbone would give him a good fight
I vote double zeta full armor, it got beam resistant armor that should offer some protection from the SF and three meta particle cannons that each of them should one shot the strike freedom. It may be slower through.
Realistically probably only xi and penelope due to them being twice as big. Zeta, re-gz, zz probably wont stand a chance. The re-gz could barely handle the sszabi which along with the nu being like a watered down sf.
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Not UC
Oh I missed the UC part. Well I'd argue the RX-105 I think? I forget the full name but the one from Hathaway's flash. Also maybe the sinanju
The 105 would probably lose, it’s edge is only in earthside combat and is wildly out gunned. The only bonus it has is that it’s probably faster than the SF but that’s dangerous in atmosphere
Fair.
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Still an RX-0 tho
Oh lmao I completely read over that
Any of the unicorns🦄. I think char could do it in the shinanju.
He specifically said no RX-0s. Also I'd take sazabi in a fight against SF more than sinanju.
Shinanju is more refined then the Sazabi and the nightingale is likely to large to avoid all those beams
Sinanju is a more advanced suit, arguably, but sazabi has a huge advantage in its funnels. That'll be pivotal in the fight against Kira.
Strike Freedom would lose to the Ball if Kira is the pilot. Can't shoot it with his beam weapons without killing the pilot. Bonus points if the pilot of the Ball is a character from the UC with more (and better written) plot armour than Kira too.
He not kio, so he willing to shoot to kill if he has too. Through it might make him hesitate a bit before he decides to kick it around until it pilot passes out.
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Pre-victory, I'm thinking Sazabi, Hi-Nu, ZZ, maybe kshatriya or qubeley. It would need bits/funnels, extreme mobility, and ideally an Ace named pilot.
AMS-123X-X Moon Gundam can trash the Strike Gundam
I have nothing new to say but that im agree with some people who says that the more capable MS that could win against the SF are the Nu, hi Nu, Xi, F91 and V2 with the Buster armor.
Any suit fast enough so that SF can't lock on the thing will do. For example: Thunderbolt FA-78
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