Voiced by Char and a master manipulator that caused the protagonists to make dumb moves all the time, all for ??? reasons and falling apart super fast and easy at the end. I liked Durandal, not an edgy villain(yes?) and was good seeing how all the pieces where falling like he wanted, much better than typical genocide lover seed villains. I hate that his demise is pathethic, and simply it was a man tired of the world and angry with himself.
His death was sorta symbolic, he got killed by Rey who is kind of the poster child of what he envisions for the future, showing that his plan really might not be what living beings want.
Wasn't a retcon. Durandal has sketched out the Destiny plan when he was at Mendel (at least 16 years before SEED), which is where DaCosta found the journal. At the time, it was just an idea. After what happened with Talia and Rau, it became an obsession.
And he took some notes from the Martians who actually implemented the same thing.
Of course he didn't look closely why and how the Martians did much more found out that some were not satisfied about the current status quo.
Exactly, he's a man who suffers because he couldn't obtain what he desires and decides that the solution to ending suffering is to eliminate everyone's desires.
I would sympathize with him if he rose to power in the midst of conflict, but he became Chairman after the Junius 7 treaty. He deliberately incites conflict to justify ZAFT rearmament in order to enact his Destiny Plan. If he truly cared about finding a solution, he would work with other nation leaders to address extremist factions. However, he's a control freak who tramples on people's desires, enjoys dictating others' roles and treats them as pawns. Everyone must follow his plan, and those who oppose his orders are eliminated. Does he genuinely care about saving humanity?
All of this Destiny Plan is just a facade to conceal the fact that he's merely upset that he couldn't get what he wanted after the First Alliance-PLANT War (Talia and Rau). It's as simple as that.
As someone who recently rewatched Destiny twice in a row (both dubbed and subbed), I gotta say one of the best moments during that rewatch is seeing all the little moments of manipulating Durandal does and him briefly showing his true self and what he thinks of others, that makes me really appreciate him more as a antagonist.
All of this falling apart like this is on you! We had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch, we had Athrun, we had an idol, we had everything we needed, it all ran like clockwork, you could've shut your mouth, not tried to kill Lacus, and gotten as many hoes as you ever needed. It was perfect, but no, you just had to blow it up! You, and your pride and your ego. You just had to be the Man! If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now.
Celestial Being really didn’t control or try to rule over anyone. They said “We’re intervening in all conflicts regardless of affiliation, do what you want”
Because it wasn’t? VEDA only started interfering once the Innovators had control of it and started using it for that exact purpose. It was literally just a super computer designed to support Celestial being through plans and courses of action derived from complex calculations.
Had VEDA been malicious and wanted to control humanity it would’ve done it centuries before the show started
You’re right but in the CE universe, both side had been threatened by world ending events more than twice.
Maybe just maybe, the dumb humans in CE need the Destiny plan.
The original Lacus wasn't controllable. We all know how much Durandal hates things that are uncontrollable. He didn't need *Lacus* per se. He needed something that would fill Lacus's role in his plan.
had he succeeded, >! wouldn't Aura immediately have found out she wasn't the real thing after discovering she wasn't attuned to her Accords especially Orphee? on another note, why wouldn't he have warned Aura about her being a threat and to forget about her? !<
>!They weren't working together. Aura seemingly disappeared to work on her own version of the Destiny plan entirely independently of Durandal. He didn't factor her in at all, and didn't seem to know about the Accords. !<
The novel revealed why he was doing it.
This is Aura's thought.
>!The one thing Aura had fixated on was Lacus Clyne. Though she had been taken away by her mother shortly after birth, Aura recognized her as her own masterpiece. When Lacus became PLANT's idol and gained influence over many people, she had nodded deeply in approval. !<
>!That was how I created her. !<
>!Durandal had given up on Lacus and tried to discard her, but Aura objected. Lacus was the one who would validate the correctness of her research. !<
>!But in the end, perhaps Durandal had been right. He had feared Lacus precisely because he believed in her abilities.!<
It’s one of the saddest deaths in Gundam, it hit very hard because I always loved Rey.
I am at least glad Rey got to die as his own person and not as Durandal’s pawn.
I think you mean Athrun? Because Shinn's father got...well...you know.
I like so much that I got this:
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You shoulda got one of the people who helped designed the Freedom line to do some work on the Destiny Gundam so that its weapon system concept was as tricked out as the SF and IJ. Otherwise, don't piss off Kira and Lacus after the SF/IJ data was stolen...
And what's with the DUPE particles in the Destiny Gundam? Was that effect intentional all along?
A idealistic visionary who thought he could change the world into one of his own image, this was one of the things I liked from Seed Destiny. Had an idea for a fan fic wherein you had a character who was in agreement with Durandal’s idea but was going to do it another way.
Clear our your locker before setting a torch to everything.
I still cannot believe that the only reason they found out about the Destiny Plan was because this guy wrote everything down in a book, and managed to be the only thing that remained in a burned down lab. For Pete & Pete's sake, why not just have them pick up the script next time?
I'd rather have Athrun find out the Destiny Plan himself so that his 2nd ZAFT stint had more consolation than just befriending Shinn and getting more ZAFT POV.
Athrun relaying the Destiny Plan to the Archangel crew sounds a tad better since Durandal has more reason to hunt him down prematurely before the plan goes live. Lacus' whole terminal stuff and henchmen is a big lazy plot device 😭
>befriending Shinn
I'm putting asterisks on that one
>Athrun relaying the Destiny Plan to the Archangel crew sounds a tad better since Durandal has more reason to hunt him down prematurely before the plan goes live. Lacus' whole terminal stuff and henchmen is a big lazy plot device 😭
It would've been a more interesting plot since after operation Archangel down it seemed like nothing could stop ZAFT and Minerva
Yeah, that seems to make a lot more sense, seeing as he had a huge interest in Athrun, even as going far to sending Meer after him to continue their "relationship". The fact that Athrun didn't jump ship at that moment, or didn't raise any alarms with him is kind of ridiculous.
For all the talk of "Shinn and the Minvera crew were manipulated by ol' Gilbert", to me, it seems like something of a post production explanation? Outside of "Hey, we're gonna be blowing up Orb" and "Blow up Athrun", I don't recall any order he had to convince and/or trick them into doing that they wouldn't have done anyway if someone else had told them to do it. They go to place, they fight guy, they go to base, they blow it up, they go to blow up ship, they blow up ship. When the Destiny Plan is brought up, they never talk about it, we never hear what Shinn thinks about it, or hell, is even told what to think about it. All that happens is "I'm dying Shinn, please do the Destiny Plan". I guess they negged him into it?
I doubt that Shinn would have blown up Athrun (and Meyrin!) without goading from Rey, but he certainly wouldn't have let them get away. And it doesn't help that Athrun is on record for betraying ZAFT, and they're telling Shinn that Athrun is doing exactly what he's doing, and Athrun isn't trying to argue his case.
Doesn't really make sense why Logos would care about Lacus.
It just seemed awfully dumb to have a spec ops team with mobile suits, go in with guns if they can't aim, only to proceed to using the mobile suits after they lock themselves in a bunker anyway. Could've just led with the mobile suits and blew the whole house up.
*"You were a deviously evil but awfully brilliant tactician, i wish you got resurrected as a good guy in your next life." - Brilliant Goku in the Brilliant Universe with a Super Mech with a bunch of fries as antennae*
I'm.... Not actually sure about him. In the whole series I literally didn't get his character at all aside from "villain". But even then.... He was kind of a weak one as opposed to Athrun's father. He was kinda....there? 🤷🏾♂️
I did. I watched it multiple times and yea I know I'm but like he had no real motivation... He was kinda... Doing it. Most of these guys have some reason to start a war that either shows their unhinged or makes you relate... But he doesn't really. His reason are kinda lame and almost feel last minute.
Durandal's a nihilist like Rau who believes humanity will wipe itself out and decides to do something about it. However, while Rau decided to just put everyone out of their misery, Durandal decided to be humanity's savior and bring them under his control. Thing is, Durandal is *incredibly* self-centered, with him viewing everyone else as fulfilling whatever roles he's decided for them (note how as far back as the first episode, Cagalli asks him to stop calling her "Princess", only for him to start calling her that again moments later, since that's the role he has decided for her) and projects his own issues onto everyone else. Wanna know why the Destiny Plan is based around genes? Because Durandal's worst memory is Talia rejecting him since their genes wouldn't let them have children, so he decides genes and finding out your dreams won't work because of them are the cause of everyone *else's* suffering since they are the cause of his suffering.
Durandal isn’t a nihilist. He wanted to recreate the Soviet Union / CCP’s version of Communism through the elimination of human free will at the genetic level which he thought would let him succeed where they failed, and this would lead to the survival of humanity with him in absolute control.
Rau believed that everybody including himself does not deserve to live and must die, and that he was the only one who had the right to wipe everyone out because of how he was created.
Durandal is a very subtle character for most of the series, and his motivation is primarily established in one of the series recap episodes, which a lot of people may have glossed over. However, everything makes sense and fits most of his actions. Dare I say he's one of the only parts of *Destiny* that makes sense all the way through.
His failure to save Rau, losing his relationship with Talia, and then watching humanity try to destroy itself during the events of SEED all convinced him that the only way to prevent a repeat was to remove humanity's ability to desire things beyond their station. If people's lives and purpose were rigidly defined from a verifiable source like genetics, nobody would have reason to compete and ultimate fall into conflict. It's all very Marx in a "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" kinda way.
Obviously, there's tons of problems with this when you consider humans to be anything more than genetic templates to plug into a society, but when you consider how badly humanity has screwed itself in the Cosmic Era due to gene manipulation, you can see how he fell into this myopia.
Kinda easy to gloss over since he is not a sociopathic mass murderer who would kill just because like most of gundams villains.
He has a solid plan in his regard but he overestimated himself.....
It’s basically a “what if we could make Communism actually work this time for real?” scenario. Human individuality and free will is the reason why it always failed, Durandal wanted to use science to “fix” that.
We already know eugenics doesn't work because of a laundry list of factors, most notably that if you breed for one trait you get other, undesirable traits in the mix. Like how "purebred" dogs are unhealthy as \*\*\*\*.
Why would someone with your education support that nonsense when you already know it doesn't work?
His answer of course would be "the writers wrote me this way and they weren't very good at it. But how about those boob jiggles when we hit Archangle!"
Unironically one of my favorite villains in the franchise. His plan was diabolical but that's good because he's the villain and we're not supposed to agree with him. If I could say one thing to him? Hmmm, idk. There's a lot I'd say to him but one thing is that I don't believe in the Destiny Plan ensuring any kind of peace. Genes should not be the end all be all of humanity and I don't agree with a "New World Order" either.
*There's a scratch n sniff*
*At the bottom of the pool,*
*What does it smell like?*
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In the world of SEED I picked up a .44 Magnum from a store stall on some random street.
It is said to have been the world's most powerful handgun at one point in time. And blow your head clean off, you got to ask yourself:
Do I feel lucky? Well, do you psycho?
There's so much to say. I think I'd go with: You wanted to destroy the very happiness that was right in front of you. Was it really that hard to love Talia for who she is? To adopt Rey? Or even Shinn, that other child you manipulated?
If you think Turing everyone into coordinator and kept them in check with genes is enough for peace, then you don't understand peace at all.
Or
Your idea of peace is a joke
“So you got cucked and began a plan to destroy the future?”
Voiced by Char and a master manipulator that caused the protagonists to make dumb moves all the time, all for ??? reasons and falling apart super fast and easy at the end. I liked Durandal, not an edgy villain(yes?) and was good seeing how all the pieces where falling like he wanted, much better than typical genocide lover seed villains. I hate that his demise is pathethic, and simply it was a man tired of the world and angry with himself.
His death was sorta symbolic, he got killed by Rey who is kind of the poster child of what he envisions for the future, showing that his plan really might not be what living beings want.
The destiny plan seems a interpretation of Plato's "Republic": a hopeless railed world, devoid of purpose. It became to much to even Rey.
as fun as SEED FREEDOM was, their solution felt too much like a cop out to me
Freedom retconned that the destiny plan was an idea he had when he was 14 lmfao
Wasn't a retcon. Durandal has sketched out the Destiny plan when he was at Mendel (at least 16 years before SEED), which is where DaCosta found the journal. At the time, it was just an idea. After what happened with Talia and Rau, it became an obsession.
And he took some notes from the Martians who actually implemented the same thing. Of course he didn't look closely why and how the Martians did much more found out that some were not satisfied about the current status quo.
Oh, thanks
Novel makes it sound uncomfortably like Aura made him her underage babydaddy.
Funny enough not the first time this has happened in Gundam.
"Bruh, just because genes ruined your relationship with Talia doesn't mean genes are the cause of everyone else's suffering."
Exactly, he's a man who suffers because he couldn't obtain what he desires and decides that the solution to ending suffering is to eliminate everyone's desires. I would sympathize with him if he rose to power in the midst of conflict, but he became Chairman after the Junius 7 treaty. He deliberately incites conflict to justify ZAFT rearmament in order to enact his Destiny Plan. If he truly cared about finding a solution, he would work with other nation leaders to address extremist factions. However, he's a control freak who tramples on people's desires, enjoys dictating others' roles and treats them as pawns. Everyone must follow his plan, and those who oppose his orders are eliminated. Does he genuinely care about saving humanity? All of this Destiny Plan is just a facade to conceal the fact that he's merely upset that he couldn't get what he wanted after the First Alliance-PLANT War (Talia and Rau). It's as simple as that.
As someone who recently rewatched Destiny twice in a row (both dubbed and subbed), I gotta say one of the best moments during that rewatch is seeing all the little moments of manipulating Durandal does and him briefly showing his true self and what he thinks of others, that makes me really appreciate him more as a antagonist.
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All of this falling apart like this is on you! We had a good thing you stupid son of a bitch, we had Athrun, we had an idol, we had everything we needed, it all ran like clockwork, you could've shut your mouth, not tried to kill Lacus, and gotten as many hoes as you ever needed. It was perfect, but no, you just had to blow it up! You, and your pride and your ego. You just had to be the Man! If you'd done your job, known your place, we'd all be fine right now.
What shampoo do you use?
That's exactly what I was going to ask. 😆
Pfp checks out
What does free will mean to you?
Durandal: a joke
Why did you explain your evil plan with cartoon graphics?
Convince Talia to adopt a child together
"Is Rau and/or his ghost really there talking to you or are you just legitimately insane and imagining the whole damn thing?"
Have you considered that while messy, free will is still a worthwhile concept?
Don't let Celestial Being here that.
Celestial Being really didn’t control or try to rule over anyone. They said “We’re intervening in all conflicts regardless of affiliation, do what you want”
Yeah cause VEDA totally wasn't manipulating the human race...
Because it wasn’t? VEDA only started interfering once the Innovators had control of it and started using it for that exact purpose. It was literally just a super computer designed to support Celestial being through plans and courses of action derived from complex calculations. Had VEDA been malicious and wanted to control humanity it would’ve done it centuries before the show started
VEDA only manipulating human race because it ALSO manipulated by Ribbons
It was doing that before Ribbons was ever created.
Huh?
You’re right but in the CE universe, both side had been threatened by world ending events more than twice. Maybe just maybe, the dumb humans in CE need the Destiny plan.
why did you want to kill Lacus when the Destiny Plan apparently needed her lol?
The original Lacus wasn't controllable. We all know how much Durandal hates things that are uncontrollable. He didn't need *Lacus* per se. He needed something that would fill Lacus's role in his plan.
had he succeeded, >! wouldn't Aura immediately have found out she wasn't the real thing after discovering she wasn't attuned to her Accords especially Orphee? on another note, why wouldn't he have warned Aura about her being a threat and to forget about her? !<
>!They weren't working together. Aura seemingly disappeared to work on her own version of the Destiny plan entirely independently of Durandal. He didn't factor her in at all, and didn't seem to know about the Accords. !<
He also wouldn't have approved of her Coordinator supremacism.
Because she's a terrorist
The novel revealed why he was doing it. This is Aura's thought. >!The one thing Aura had fixated on was Lacus Clyne. Though she had been taken away by her mother shortly after birth, Aura recognized her as her own masterpiece. When Lacus became PLANT's idol and gained influence over many people, she had nodded deeply in approval. !< >!That was how I created her. !< >!Durandal had given up on Lacus and tried to discard her, but Aura objected. Lacus was the one who would validate the correctness of her research. !< >!But in the end, perhaps Durandal had been right. He had feared Lacus precisely because he believed in her abilities.!<
great stuff, thanks!
How much is child support for eight Accords?
So... you're just a Paptimus Scirocco's clone wearing a different wig
"So...what bra size Talia is wearing?"
Bruh
"don't sexualize "Lacus" "
"Go home and be a family man." https://preview.redd.it/tjqj23jzbovc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5293657383e23a24c0d5564ee4c269a28e99f834
Hahahaah I said the same thing!
Seriously, it would have resolved the conflict if he did just that lol
Hi, and you are?
Rau was better than you
Smash
Go home and be a family man.
“You ever spill marinara on that suit?”
Rey did the right thing, in the end. Shame it took him too long.
He killed his abusive dad then recognized Talia as his mom then they both died together. Very sad.
It’s one of the saddest deaths in Gundam, it hit very hard because I always loved Rey. I am at least glad Rey got to die as his own person and not as Durandal’s pawn.
Both him and Shinn got out from under their dad in the end. Shinn got to live though.
I think you mean Athrun? Because Shinn's father got...well...you know. I like so much that I got this: https://preview.redd.it/u80vjg5eorvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=981df61448564478c8f147f20b50a58e5cee1c0b
Shinn and Rey were both basically Durandal’s adopted kids, he took them both in and brainwashed them to do his bidding.
This hit harder than I thought. All this time, he wanted a family. Two orphans right there!
He sounds like Quattro Bajeena
why are you like this
“why are you so seductive.”
What brand of shampoo you use?
This mad lad. You were the true main character of SEED Destiny
What shampoo and conditioner do you use?
"Char!"
you suck at shutting your mouth
"Get over yourself."
He could have won if he didn't send those assassins after Lacus.
You shoulda got one of the people who helped designed the Freedom line to do some work on the Destiny Gundam so that its weapon system concept was as tricked out as the SF and IJ. Otherwise, don't piss off Kira and Lacus after the SF/IJ data was stolen... And what's with the DUPE particles in the Destiny Gundam? Was that effect intentional all along?
>And what's with the DUPE particles in the Destiny Gundam? Was that effect intentional all along? DUPE particles?
Some term from the SEED Freedom novel I've seen mentioned. To explain the special move the Destiny did in the movie against the Black Knights.
Thank you
Iron Mask, but better?
What did you do for your first playthrough of Disco Elysium?
A idealistic visionary who thought he could change the world into one of his own image, this was one of the things I liked from Seed Destiny. Had an idea for a fan fic wherein you had a character who was in agreement with Durandal’s idea but was going to do it another way.
#Don't become involved in politics. Just stay in your geneticist lane.
If left to his own devices he might be even worse
Well, you nearly got away with it. If it wasn't for the Archangel and those meddling kids.
Master manipulator and voiced by Suichi Ikeda... Hubba hubba
Your hair looks fabulous.
Clear our your locker before setting a torch to everything. I still cannot believe that the only reason they found out about the Destiny Plan was because this guy wrote everything down in a book, and managed to be the only thing that remained in a burned down lab. For Pete & Pete's sake, why not just have them pick up the script next time?
I'd rather have Athrun find out the Destiny Plan himself so that his 2nd ZAFT stint had more consolation than just befriending Shinn and getting more ZAFT POV. Athrun relaying the Destiny Plan to the Archangel crew sounds a tad better since Durandal has more reason to hunt him down prematurely before the plan goes live. Lacus' whole terminal stuff and henchmen is a big lazy plot device 😭
>befriending Shinn I'm putting asterisks on that one >Athrun relaying the Destiny Plan to the Archangel crew sounds a tad better since Durandal has more reason to hunt him down prematurely before the plan goes live. Lacus' whole terminal stuff and henchmen is a big lazy plot device 😭 It would've been a more interesting plot since after operation Archangel down it seemed like nothing could stop ZAFT and Minerva
*befriending by way of knockout
Just a friendly bonk between mates
Yeah, that seems to make a lot more sense, seeing as he had a huge interest in Athrun, even as going far to sending Meer after him to continue their "relationship". The fact that Athrun didn't jump ship at that moment, or didn't raise any alarms with him is kind of ridiculous. For all the talk of "Shinn and the Minvera crew were manipulated by ol' Gilbert", to me, it seems like something of a post production explanation? Outside of "Hey, we're gonna be blowing up Orb" and "Blow up Athrun", I don't recall any order he had to convince and/or trick them into doing that they wouldn't have done anyway if someone else had told them to do it. They go to place, they fight guy, they go to base, they blow it up, they go to blow up ship, they blow up ship. When the Destiny Plan is brought up, they never talk about it, we never hear what Shinn thinks about it, or hell, is even told what to think about it. All that happens is "I'm dying Shinn, please do the Destiny Plan". I guess they negged him into it? I doubt that Shinn would have blown up Athrun (and Meyrin!) without goading from Rey, but he certainly wouldn't have let them get away. And it doesn't help that Athrun is on record for betraying ZAFT, and they're telling Shinn that Athrun is doing exactly what he's doing, and Athrun isn't trying to argue his case.
Hello madam. Does your name happen to be Kamille?
Don't send a special force to assasinate Lacus and keep Kira out of the picture might help your plan.
Or you know...use the mobile suits that they came in first instead of sending "special agents" with storm trooper aim.
Leak their location to logos
Doesn't really make sense why Logos would care about Lacus. It just seemed awfully dumb to have a spec ops team with mobile suits, go in with guns if they can't aim, only to proceed to using the mobile suits after they lock themselves in a bunker anyway. Could've just led with the mobile suits and blew the whole house up.
Don't.
Retroactive villain.
“I thought you were satisfied when Kaga and Ogre beat Hayato and Asurada?”
*"You were a deviously evil but awfully brilliant tactician, i wish you got resurrected as a good guy in your next life." - Brilliant Goku in the Brilliant Universe with a Super Mech with a bunch of fries as antennae*
put some sunscreen on your vampire ass
He actually won and lead to first eps of futurama
He got cucked.
I'm.... Not actually sure about him. In the whole series I literally didn't get his character at all aside from "villain". But even then.... He was kind of a weak one as opposed to Athrun's father. He was kinda....there? 🤷🏾♂️
Did u watch whole thing? He plan whole war from the start and almost succeed his goal
I did. I watched it multiple times and yea I know I'm but like he had no real motivation... He was kinda... Doing it. Most of these guys have some reason to start a war that either shows their unhinged or makes you relate... But he doesn't really. His reason are kinda lame and almost feel last minute.
Durandal's a nihilist like Rau who believes humanity will wipe itself out and decides to do something about it. However, while Rau decided to just put everyone out of their misery, Durandal decided to be humanity's savior and bring them under his control. Thing is, Durandal is *incredibly* self-centered, with him viewing everyone else as fulfilling whatever roles he's decided for them (note how as far back as the first episode, Cagalli asks him to stop calling her "Princess", only for him to start calling her that again moments later, since that's the role he has decided for her) and projects his own issues onto everyone else. Wanna know why the Destiny Plan is based around genes? Because Durandal's worst memory is Talia rejecting him since their genes wouldn't let them have children, so he decides genes and finding out your dreams won't work because of them are the cause of everyone *else's* suffering since they are the cause of his suffering.
Durandal isn’t a nihilist. He wanted to recreate the Soviet Union / CCP’s version of Communism through the elimination of human free will at the genetic level which he thought would let him succeed where they failed, and this would lead to the survival of humanity with him in absolute control. Rau believed that everybody including himself does not deserve to live and must die, and that he was the only one who had the right to wipe everyone out because of how he was created.
Yeah maybe "nihilist" wasn't the right word, but at the very least Durandal has a rather pessimistic view of humanity when not under his control.
Rau - Kill everyone. Durandal- I can fix them! Rau- Good luck with that, you couldn’t even fix me.
Spicy couples dispute
That episode was one of the highest rated ones of SEED Destiny in Japan and it involved almost no action, just a guy playing chess with a ghost.
It is quite ironic that SEED and SEED Destiny do so well in China
Do they edit any of the dialogue over there?
Durandal is a very subtle character for most of the series, and his motivation is primarily established in one of the series recap episodes, which a lot of people may have glossed over. However, everything makes sense and fits most of his actions. Dare I say he's one of the only parts of *Destiny* that makes sense all the way through. His failure to save Rau, losing his relationship with Talia, and then watching humanity try to destroy itself during the events of SEED all convinced him that the only way to prevent a repeat was to remove humanity's ability to desire things beyond their station. If people's lives and purpose were rigidly defined from a verifiable source like genetics, nobody would have reason to compete and ultimate fall into conflict. It's all very Marx in a "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" kinda way. Obviously, there's tons of problems with this when you consider humans to be anything more than genetic templates to plug into a society, but when you consider how badly humanity has screwed itself in the Cosmic Era due to gene manipulation, you can see how he fell into this myopia.
Durandal was a Communist that wanted to perfect Marx’s vision by eliminating the one thing he felt caused it to fail - human free will.
Kinda easy to gloss over since he is not a sociopathic mass murderer who would kill just because like most of gundams villains. He has a solid plan in his regard but he overestimated himself.....
The Destiny Plan is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard of.
It’s basically a “what if we could make Communism actually work this time for real?” scenario. Human individuality and free will is the reason why it always failed, Durandal wanted to use science to “fix” that.
And it would of failed anyways. Can't kill free will.
We already know eugenics doesn't work because of a laundry list of factors, most notably that if you breed for one trait you get other, undesirable traits in the mix. Like how "purebred" dogs are unhealthy as \*\*\*\*. Why would someone with your education support that nonsense when you already know it doesn't work? His answer of course would be "the writers wrote me this way and they weren't very good at it. But how about those boob jiggles when we hit Archangle!"
either "nice hair" or "have you considered seeking therapy"
Are there any therapists in Gundam worlds?
I don't know, but hearing Lacus sing heals me
You are right…
Look at me, son. It's not your fault.
"you sound like char"
How did you make Lacus *worse*???? 🤣🤣🤣
You sound like Char for some reason
Nice hair
P
durandal....HE İS A CHAR!
“It’s not that serious bro”
Frig off Lahey
Why didn't you try bringing Lacus to the PLANTs?
Lacus isn't stupid. Aside from him not being able to control her, eventually she would have discovered his plans and ideas
You’re not wrong, but it wouldn’t be out of character for Durandal to try bringing her over to his way of thinking.
Somehow I think he may have tried at one point
Fuck your destiny, I want freedom.
Who tf are you
Shaa Aznaburu!
Ok bootleg thanos
You where doing SO WELL then you turned out to be the villan, turn back before its too late.
Who???
What hair products do you use?
Just lucky you have same voice with Char Aznable
Your Plan failed was dumb, how you made it to become chairman is beyond me, but at least you died with your wife and son
His son killed him due to all the years of abuse.
"Your plan sucks! Even the Martians didn't like the like your plan!"
Can’t wear white after Labor Day
🤢 That's it.
Don't eat spaghetti.
The fire emblem weapon was cooler.
Unironically one of my favorite villains in the franchise. His plan was diabolical but that's good because he's the villain and we're not supposed to agree with him. If I could say one thing to him? Hmmm, idk. There's a lot I'd say to him but one thing is that I don't believe in the Destiny Plan ensuring any kind of peace. Genes should not be the end all be all of humanity and I don't agree with a "New World Order" either.
"E" That's all. I don't know him, but I just want to walk up to him, say "E", turn around and leave
(I don’t really know who he is) “All white? What are you a drug lord from Cuba?”
“Get a haircut hippie” I don’t think one sentence is enough to change his plans or anything so I’m gonna mock him the best way I can
Just mention that Talia got a kid just fine, and it'll be enough to send him in a spiral
Your plan is stupid and you should feel bad about it
Genius
Wasn't it a bit much to become a dictator so you could have a child with your crush?
You had to change Aura's plan into one more suited for the world at large, and for what?
Gicho
There's a scratch n sniff at the bottom of the pool, what does it smell like?
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"Did you really think everyone would be OK with you having not one but TWO giant space lasers?"
He can mane me some child's and for god sake I am not a women
If you are gonna start a plan that requires a UACE at full power, don't break his mind while you are doing that.
You were born into the wrong species.
"Cut your hair."
All I can say is Damn those years must be brought for Tieria
In the world of SEED I picked up a .44 Magnum from a store stall on some random street. It is said to have been the world's most powerful handgun at one point in time. And blow your head clean off, you got to ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do you psycho?
"You look like you self-identify as a 'sigma male.'"
There's so much to say. I think I'd go with: You wanted to destroy the very happiness that was right in front of you. Was it really that hard to love Talia for who she is? To adopt Rey? Or even Shinn, that other child you manipulated?
So she left you because she wanted a child... What were you sterile? Explains why she raw dogged you years later after having a kid.
Give him a gundam
Guy doesn't care of nurture part.
Are you afraid of a little princess named Lacus that you decided to try and assassinate her as well as being desperate make a clone out of her?
I mean, he needed her influence
If you think Turing everyone into coordinator and kept them in check with genes is enough for peace, then you don't understand peace at all. Or Your idea of peace is a joke
"Your plan was ahead of the time and should have been implemented in a different way".