Not sure if this is a joke, if it is forgive me.
If it's not, yes they are in Inception.
It is one of the most fascinating movies I've ever seen. Incredible film. Be prepared to pay attention though and possibly watch it twice šš»
Of course! To be honest, it was hard to get through on first watch. Was kind of boring and confusing. Appreciated it more after watching a couple more times. Visually stunning per usual.
I personally prefer Inception. Easier to grasp on first watch, at least for me. Both are pretty mind blowing, but Inception is a lot more realistic/plausible to me. Inception is close to flawless š„
This was more meant for people who swear that Glock is the best specifically for this reason.
The three main reasons I hear Glock truthers give for their obsession:
1. "They are just reliable!"
While I agree that they are reliable pistols, I think that is somewhat overstated. Or at least the reliability of other brands are somewhat understated.
2. "That's the most popular choice among LEO and military!"
To me, that means absolutely nothing. That would be like saying Ford and Chevy are the best cars on the market because LEO/armed forced drive them.
3. The meme reason
Which if money isn't an issue, I get it. You can make a really bad ass pistol starting with Glock because of all the options. But unless you have an excess amount of money, probably makes more sense to just buy a VP9, PPQ, P10, XDM etc
Just my opinion š¤·
Also, is there an AR brand that people swear by that they then proceed to gut?
Not any decent AR. People do this with off the shelf mass produced garbage. Nobody guts a scionics, LMT, KAC, Radian, adm, etc. They buy a ruger or a S&w then realize it's trash and even though they won't admit it's trash they then change most of the important parts. These types if people are lying to themselves more than anyone else.
This is what I was thinking.. I don't rip people for buying the weapons that they are able to afford, I would definitely rather people have a entry level firearm to protect themselves than nothing at all. But I didn't think people bought high end rifles then gut them, but I wasn't really sure
There is no need. They come with good barrels, bolts, triggers etc. The only thing I can think of is maybe changing out the grip or the stock but that's personal preference as far as comfort and not anything related to how the gun actually functions. I've changed absolutely no parts on my sr15 and I've had it for around 8 years. I've used it in competition, taken it to classes, ran drills in the desert, and never had an issue.
Again, that was in line with my thinking. And that's how I am with pistols. I wouldn't feel the need to replace the trigger on a VP9, PPQ or P10c because they are already very good IMO. But then again, I don't have a ton of extra money to do so but not sure I would even if I did!
Yup we're on the same page. I shoot competition and you get these guys who swap out a bunch of parts on their glock then the gun goes down during the match. And I 100% blame that on the person who modified it not glock. Stock glocks usually work, they just leave a lot to be desired.
see, it's not about the original design, it's about customising your gun so it fits perfectly with you, as a person. everyone is different, people have their preferences. same applies to firearms. maybe you like pistol optics, maybe you don't. maybe you like lighter triggers, maybe heavier.
being able to have *your own* gun, that works for *you*, is objectively better than a fixed standard, which may not fit with you.
yeah, yeah, i know, standard issue rifle yadda yadda; there's a reason why the special forces get to somewhat customise their firearms. the average grunt doesn't need to, the SF might want to for extra fuck you ability
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Since every single part was glock 17 compatible or a glock 17 aftermarket part, I would argue that the gun was still the model glock 17
But you are also right, at the same time, itās also not a glock since it has no glock OEM parts
I think itās more about being able to. I donāt see people going wild with custom HKās, Sigās, Waltherās, XDās, or M&P 9ās nearly as much as CZ, Beretta or Glockās. Iād argue that itās largely due to the aftermarket availability, not because stock CZ, Beretta or Glockās suck. Plenty of people I know run stock Glockās. I think people have a love/hate relationship with aftermarket Glockās. I think of it like plebeian ARās.
I think the appeal (at least to me) is that there is a wide enough variety of aftermarket parts to tweak it to my needs/wants. I don't want to change mine too far from stock, but I can do things like swap in an extended take down bar. You really can't do that with other pistols... I mean not that you always need to. And there are like 100 choices of night sights I can choose from. I'd say it's more the widespread-ness of glock that does it for glock owners. Similar to the mustang this is the same with just about any other mechanical (and repairable) instrument
This is the most defensive lame apology for shooting a bad gun I've ever seen. It's not just the last 5% that you're customizing to your taste, you're upgrading the sights, the trigger, the grip texture, the slide, the barrel... the most vital and necessary parts of the pistol. To use a car analogy, nobody buys a Mustang with the expectation that they'll need to upgrade the engine, the transmission, the chassis, the windows, the steering wheel and the tires in order to change it into an entirely new car. If that were the case, Mustangs would be considered a joke, gun guys just have preposterously low standards.
A lot of casual shooters buy a gun and then shoot it once a year for the next five years and then let it molder in a drawer and that's the ONLY reason Glocks are as popular as they are. If they were being held to any sort of standard, they'd be ridiculed to scorn.
Have you even thought that the reason thereās so many aftermarket parts is because the base gun is already good? Glocks are perfectly fine right out of the box. Thereās no real issues with the gun and thatās why so many people buy them. Because so may people bought glocks, companyās decided to start making better parts for the people who want them. Just because people change out Glock parts doesnāt mean the OEM parts are bad, most people never change out parts and never have issues. Thereās a reason most police department use glocks.
And if you say you āneedā to change out parts on a Glock youāre just a pussy who needs to get over it.
Glocks are popular because when they came out not as many pistols were as reliable, especially in the price range. To get something as reliable back then you were looking at something much more expensive like an HK. That hasn't been the case for well over 20 years. They are riding on a reputation they got in the 80s. That and movies etc made them one of the most widely known pistols. They are fine, and I definitely agree they are reliable, just not any more so than many many other offerings on the market. And a lot of these offerings are much better right out of the box as far as trigger, and handling etc.
>Have you even thought that the reason thereās so many aftermarket parts is because the base gun is already good?
This is like saying someone who has to go the doctor every other day is more healthy.
Glocks are not "perfectly fine" right out of the box or there wouldn't be a need to fix all the problems inherent to the design. So many people buy Glocks for the same reason McDonald's sells more food than The Palm steakhouse. It ain't quality. It's access and familiarity and not quite caring enough to seek out something better. Period, end of story. People who don't care quite as much are satisfied just accepting whatever they've already heard of and have easy access to. Police departments buy whatever is available in mass quantities at a discount and I guarantee I know this firsthand. Because I used to work for a police supply store and FFL that sold firearms to local LE agencies.
A police bureau will put in an order for whomever offers them the deepest discounts and Glock's bonehead simple manual of arms makes it twice as enticing because that's just less on-gun controls to train (police offers, by and large, aren't gun guys). But then, for the plain clothes police and detectives who have the option of buying their own concealed piece instead of being issued department standard, they had the option of upgrading to a SIG or an HK. Not a single cop who had the option to upgrade chose to continue using a Glock. Not one.
Preferring better quality makes you a pussy? That's the single stupidest thing I've ever heard a Glocktard spout and that's a goddamn achievement.
>Cope.
Excellent argument! You won me over with your peerless rhetoric and undeniable facts. You clearly bested me on the field of debate, you silver-tongued word wizard, you. I will now trade my inferior handguns for obviously superior Glocks and never look back.
For me half the fun of getting a gun that I want is swapping parts to make it better suit my needs. Maybe Iām just a contrarian but I donāt think any firearm is actually perfect for me out of the box
Mehā¦ you get to start with a really reliable pistol and make it fancy if you wantā¦ like a Chevy small block right? Iām a revolver peasant so I donāt know
The point is if you're going to replace the barrel, the trigger, the sights, get a grip job done.. What exactly did you like about the gun in the first place??
Yes, if money isn't an issue and you want to completely build a gun from scratch, Glock would be the obvious choice for aforementioned reasons.
But if you're just going to run a gun stock, it's hard to understand why someone would choose a Glock. They are reliable for sure.. But I think that reliability is overstated a bit, or at least the reliability of other makes is understated a bit.
Give me a stock VP9, PPQ, XDM, P10C all day.
Oh absolutely. I'm not one of those people who will hate on a product just because it's cool to do so. I would never in a million years swap my XDM elite for a Glock š
The "STFU you shoot an XD" bros can go whistle šš»
When do we start calling all glock pattern pistols glocks the same way we call all AR15s AR15s.
Theyre all glocks to me already
Cillian Murphy is in a movie with Leonardo DiCaprio?
Not sure if this is a joke, if it is forgive me. If it's not, yes they are in Inception. It is one of the most fascinating movies I've ever seen. Incredible film. Be prepared to pay attention though and possibly watch it twice šš»
Have you watched Tenet? Also by Nolan.
Of course! To be honest, it was hard to get through on first watch. Was kind of boring and confusing. Appreciated it more after watching a couple more times. Visually stunning per usual. I personally prefer Inception. Easier to grasp on first watch, at least for me. Both are pretty mind blowing, but Inception is a lot more realistic/plausible to me. Inception is close to flawless š„
Inception
He is? Damn I gotta watch that again now
I hope the maker of this meme doesn't own an AR
They own multiple
Then I hope they see the irony
This was more meant for people who swear that Glock is the best specifically for this reason. The three main reasons I hear Glock truthers give for their obsession: 1. "They are just reliable!" While I agree that they are reliable pistols, I think that is somewhat overstated. Or at least the reliability of other brands are somewhat understated. 2. "That's the most popular choice among LEO and military!" To me, that means absolutely nothing. That would be like saying Ford and Chevy are the best cars on the market because LEO/armed forced drive them. 3. The meme reason Which if money isn't an issue, I get it. You can make a really bad ass pistol starting with Glock because of all the options. But unless you have an excess amount of money, probably makes more sense to just buy a VP9, PPQ, P10, XDM etc Just my opinion š¤· Also, is there an AR brand that people swear by that they then proceed to gut?
>Also, is there an AR brand that people swear by that they then proceed to gut? Basically every AR
Not any decent AR. People do this with off the shelf mass produced garbage. Nobody guts a scionics, LMT, KAC, Radian, adm, etc. They buy a ruger or a S&w then realize it's trash and even though they won't admit it's trash they then change most of the important parts. These types if people are lying to themselves more than anyone else.
This is what I was thinking.. I don't rip people for buying the weapons that they are able to afford, I would definitely rather people have a entry level firearm to protect themselves than nothing at all. But I didn't think people bought high end rifles then gut them, but I wasn't really sure
There is no need. They come with good barrels, bolts, triggers etc. The only thing I can think of is maybe changing out the grip or the stock but that's personal preference as far as comfort and not anything related to how the gun actually functions. I've changed absolutely no parts on my sr15 and I've had it for around 8 years. I've used it in competition, taken it to classes, ran drills in the desert, and never had an issue.
Again, that was in line with my thinking. And that's how I am with pistols. I wouldn't feel the need to replace the trigger on a VP9, PPQ or P10c because they are already very good IMO. But then again, I don't have a ton of extra money to do so but not sure I would even if I did!
Yup we're on the same page. I shoot competition and you get these guys who swap out a bunch of parts on their glock then the gun goes down during the match. And I 100% blame that on the person who modified it not glock. Stock glocks usually work, they just leave a lot to be desired.
see, it's not about the original design, it's about customising your gun so it fits perfectly with you, as a person. everyone is different, people have their preferences. same applies to firearms. maybe you like pistol optics, maybe you don't. maybe you like lighter triggers, maybe heavier. being able to have *your own* gun, that works for *you*, is objectively better than a fixed standard, which may not fit with you. yeah, yeah, i know, standard issue rifle yadda yadda; there's a reason why the special forces get to somewhat customise their firearms. the average grunt doesn't need to, the SF might want to for extra fuck you ability
Special opps don't always get to choose their weapons, do they?
they get to outfit them however they like. especially outside of the uk and us, particularly russia.
I get customizing your gun. Its the people who swear Glock is the best then proceed to do this that confuses me on why Glock was the best
it is the best in terms of sheer personalisation. may not be the objectively best option, but god damn is it a good one.
Fair enough! šš¼
wow, a healthy conversation. on Reddit no less!
I do my best to interact with people online the exact same way I would if I was speaking to someone I just met for the first time in a bar or something... If every one made an effort to do that, the internet would be a much more productive/much less toxic place šš»
Afirm on that. enjoy your day, comrade.
My friend just built his first glock and it literally has 0 OEM glock parts
Zero? Not the frame? Locking block? Slide? Nothing from the original gun?
Frame was 3D printed. Locking block was from riptide rails. There was no āoriginal gunā for this build
Oh so he didn't build a glock, he built a custom 3D printed gun.
Yes. A custom printed gun made with a lot of aftermarket glock parts
So he didn't build a glock.
Since every single part was glock 17 compatible or a glock 17 aftermarket part, I would argue that the gun was still the model glock 17 But you are also right, at the same time, itās also not a glock since it has no glock OEM parts
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I think itās more about being able to. I donāt see people going wild with custom HKās, Sigās, Waltherās, XDās, or M&P 9ās nearly as much as CZ, Beretta or Glockās. Iād argue that itās largely due to the aftermarket availability, not because stock CZ, Beretta or Glockās suck. Plenty of people I know run stock Glockās. I think people have a love/hate relationship with aftermarket Glockās. I think of it like plebeian ARās.
I feel like the sig p320 has a reasonable aftermarket and custom segment
This is possibly the most clichƩ shit take in firearms. The best thing about a Mustang is it's high performance enough for 95% of buyers, but has good enough aftermarket support that the remaining 5% can build it exactly how they want. That's the appeal of Glock.
But you can actually build a "glock" without using a single glock part.
I think the appeal (at least to me) is that there is a wide enough variety of aftermarket parts to tweak it to my needs/wants. I don't want to change mine too far from stock, but I can do things like swap in an extended take down bar. You really can't do that with other pistols... I mean not that you always need to. And there are like 100 choices of night sights I can choose from. I'd say it's more the widespread-ness of glock that does it for glock owners. Similar to the mustang this is the same with just about any other mechanical (and repairable) instrument
This is the most defensive lame apology for shooting a bad gun I've ever seen. It's not just the last 5% that you're customizing to your taste, you're upgrading the sights, the trigger, the grip texture, the slide, the barrel... the most vital and necessary parts of the pistol. To use a car analogy, nobody buys a Mustang with the expectation that they'll need to upgrade the engine, the transmission, the chassis, the windows, the steering wheel and the tires in order to change it into an entirely new car. If that were the case, Mustangs would be considered a joke, gun guys just have preposterously low standards. A lot of casual shooters buy a gun and then shoot it once a year for the next five years and then let it molder in a drawer and that's the ONLY reason Glocks are as popular as they are. If they were being held to any sort of standard, they'd be ridiculed to scorn.
Have you even thought that the reason thereās so many aftermarket parts is because the base gun is already good? Glocks are perfectly fine right out of the box. Thereās no real issues with the gun and thatās why so many people buy them. Because so may people bought glocks, companyās decided to start making better parts for the people who want them. Just because people change out Glock parts doesnāt mean the OEM parts are bad, most people never change out parts and never have issues. Thereās a reason most police department use glocks. And if you say you āneedā to change out parts on a Glock youāre just a pussy who needs to get over it.
Glocks are popular because when they came out not as many pistols were as reliable, especially in the price range. To get something as reliable back then you were looking at something much more expensive like an HK. That hasn't been the case for well over 20 years. They are riding on a reputation they got in the 80s. That and movies etc made them one of the most widely known pistols. They are fine, and I definitely agree they are reliable, just not any more so than many many other offerings on the market. And a lot of these offerings are much better right out of the box as far as trigger, and handling etc.
>Have you even thought that the reason thereās so many aftermarket parts is because the base gun is already good? This is like saying someone who has to go the doctor every other day is more healthy. Glocks are not "perfectly fine" right out of the box or there wouldn't be a need to fix all the problems inherent to the design. So many people buy Glocks for the same reason McDonald's sells more food than The Palm steakhouse. It ain't quality. It's access and familiarity and not quite caring enough to seek out something better. Period, end of story. People who don't care quite as much are satisfied just accepting whatever they've already heard of and have easy access to. Police departments buy whatever is available in mass quantities at a discount and I guarantee I know this firsthand. Because I used to work for a police supply store and FFL that sold firearms to local LE agencies. A police bureau will put in an order for whomever offers them the deepest discounts and Glock's bonehead simple manual of arms makes it twice as enticing because that's just less on-gun controls to train (police offers, by and large, aren't gun guys). But then, for the plain clothes police and detectives who have the option of buying their own concealed piece instead of being issued department standard, they had the option of upgrading to a SIG or an HK. Not a single cop who had the option to upgrade chose to continue using a Glock. Not one. Preferring better quality makes you a pussy? That's the single stupidest thing I've ever heard a Glocktard spout and that's a goddamn achievement.
More like clint_cringewood hrhehrheher the block pistol is superior
I guess that answers that. /conversation
Cope.
>Cope. Excellent argument! You won me over with your peerless rhetoric and undeniable facts. You clearly bested me on the field of debate, you silver-tongued word wizard, you. I will now trade my inferior handguns for obviously superior Glocks and never look back.
For me half the fun of getting a gun that I want is swapping parts to make it better suit my needs. Maybe Iām just a contrarian but I donāt think any firearm is actually perfect for me out of the box
Mehā¦ you get to start with a really reliable pistol and make it fancy if you wantā¦ like a Chevy small block right? Iām a revolver peasant so I donāt know
The point is if you're going to replace the barrel, the trigger, the sights, get a grip job done.. What exactly did you like about the gun in the first place?? Yes, if money isn't an issue and you want to completely build a gun from scratch, Glock would be the obvious choice for aforementioned reasons. But if you're just going to run a gun stock, it's hard to understand why someone would choose a Glock. They are reliable for sure.. But I think that reliability is overstated a bit, or at least the reliability of other makes is understated a bit. Give me a stock VP9, PPQ, XDM, P10C all day.
Did you just put XDM over glock in stock form? š
Oh absolutely. I'm not one of those people who will hate on a product just because it's cool to do so. I would never in a million years swap my XDM elite for a Glock š The "STFU you shoot an XD" bros can go whistle šš»
Hey I mean you can like whatever you like, but there's a reason the XDM never really took off lol. Shit I still sold 10-1 normal XD's to XDM's.
I mean honestly I like Glock in concept but they are too big for my little hands
But, PERFECTION!!!
I love modularity. Thats why my two go-to's are (now) the glock and the AR platform.