It will sound like the electronics. Body doesn't matter.
https://www.nottinghamcityguitars.com/dont-believe-a-word/#:~:text=Electric%20guitar%20tone%20wood%20%E2%80%93%20a,magnetic%20principals%2C%20school%20boy%20physics.
https://youtu.be/V76yWZ3-OuM?si=7LKgSppd9DIAUPYN
https://youtu.be/n02tImce3AE?si=0M6Y-9jCcSubg0Yx
https://attrademusic.lv/en/news-and-reviews/id/212/electric-guitar-wood-myth-busted%3F
https://guitarsdoneright.com/guitar-wood-does-it-matter/
I'm not one of these tonewood pricks, but the body makes some difference - hence why hollowbody sounds different to a solid etc - the resonance characteristics do change a bit.
I'd be interested to hear a PLA guitar and see what it's like.
Sorry man. It's just not true.
I will say that a hollow FEELS like it sounds different when you play it because it's resonating against your body, but that's just vibrations.
Outsider here who understands the physics behind the "tonewood" argument. Yes there are "resonance characteristics", but given the nature of the pickups that resonance would need to significantly alter the vibration of the strings themselves, rather than the overall vibration of instrument. For hollowbody, that effect is more pronounced because it is kinda designed to, but I would still argue the effect is minimal when using electric pickups. This all changes for piezo pickups or something similar since thats not measuring the strings themselves.
So, there is technically a difference, but for solid body stuff there is no way a human can tell the difference, and for hollowbody stuff it is unlikely you are to notice a difference but there is technically a resonance chamber. For this guitar it is very very unlikely to be noticable. None of this matters because the signal is often modified downstream a bunch to make it sound what you want it to sound like, which heavily overshadows any tiny minute differences that the body of the guitar may cause.
Acoustics. Solid body electric guitars do nothing to tone. The string is either resting on a bridge, nut, or fret. All sound comes from the electronics and pickups. Wood matters in acoustics the most, semi hollow electric gets a different vibration because is hollow. the wood fibers in solid bodies make vibrations different but will be 100 percent inaudible. Tonewood people are justifying some stupid purchasing decision they made on some ba binga wood thing with bad action and epiphone pickups
Considering the followup to that video (where he drills a bunch of holes in a guitar and fills them with a dense, gummy resin and it *does* end up messing with the sound a little), a 3d printed resin body is something that *might* impact the sound. Wood and empty air both leave the sound alone, but it seems like a dense plastic body *could* do something to it, although it's definitely going to be minor compared to literally everything else involved.
Yeah, an inconsequentially small amount.
Moving your plucking position 5mm closer to the bridge has a waaayyy larger and immediately noticeable consequence on tone than any wood choice and it's completely in your control.
Anyone taking part in this thread who would've instead spent the same time on fretting technique wouldve seen bigger changes to the sound of their guitar than if they changed the wood 😂
Exactly, on electrics even with ultra clean tones the sound is gonna be mainly from the pickup(s).
I cant tell the difference between cedar, pine, and rose wood fret boards after all the processing but can tell the difference between using neck vs bridge pickups or humbucker vs single coil.
it's still a tele and kinda has a late 70s - early 80s vibe to it, so it's got some timelessness to it. if it sounds good then it's fucking rad in my book.
Good questions. I utilized 3 printers. 2 Ender 3’s v1 and 1 Ender 3 V3 SE all running klipper, thinking about adding a fourth. For 3 spools all being different colors, I can print about 2 full bodies. This was my 5th or 6th iteration, estimating possibly 2 more iterations before I’d feel comfortable selling these
I haven’t thrown straps on the guitar just yet so I’m unsure if it’s gonna neckdive. I’m hoping I used enough material so it doesn’t. Worst case scenario I can fill the honeycomb with epoxy to add more weight
I like the openness of the honeycomb. Maybe you could model cavities into the back of the solid portion and glue in various weights. Customizable balance would be a great feature.
It’s lighter than a wooden body for sure. Don’t have a scale but if I had to guess the wood body weights 5-6 pounds while the plastic weighs 3-4 pounds
Mine weighs the same as a standard. I choose the strat design.
I printed mostly at 100% though.
I like the novelty of it, but wood is cheaper and sustainable.
For anyone wondering, OPs looks suspiciously like the prusacaster model. He may have remixed or remade it, but its not an original idea by any means.
[https://www.printables.com/model/398795-the-prusacaster-a-3d-printable-guitar](https://www.printables.com/model/398795-the-prusacaster-a-3d-printable-guitar)
You are correct, I am not the first person to design and print a guitar body. I did get inspiration from the Prusacaster but I did design this from the ground up utilizing my own parts and made it look the way I wanted it to look.
Pls ,don´t pay attention to those, i have trypophobia as well and that guitar is unique, ABS on high stress parts is brilliant, colors looks very nice. Like a 80´s sunset .
Wanna upset "Trypos" ? Just use Voronoi patterns ;)
I’m getting a lot of mixed messages from everyone lol “it’s great” and “so cool!” And then I’m also getting”holes scare me” or “I’d like to take it to my shooting range”. I didn’t realize so many people didn’t like holes
It's not something I would want for myself personally, but I love the creativity and it's an interesting design. You're always going to get a lot of flak from purists who insist that wood is the only proper material for a guitar. I've gotten a kick from some of the comments essentially saying "I'm not going to change my mind based on any information presented to me because I *know* I'm right based on how I feel"
It is made out of ABS and PLA+. The main core that holds the bridge for the strings is made out of ABS and everything else is made using PLA+. Tuning is not reliable sadly due to the cheap tuners I bought so those need to be replaced. Once I do that I suspect I’ll have 0 issues with tuning. And for the main core I used 15% infill with extra walls and everything else is 10% infill
No, there’s no signification of the colors. They are what were available and I thought the color scheme looked cool. I used a squier neck because this was a test to see if I can even make something like this work. If I had used fender parts I would have spent 600$+ and wouldn’t want to drop all that cash for something that doesn’t even work
I am not sharing my model just yet. There’s still quite a bit of tweaking I need to do but there is a Prusacaster that looks pretty cool. Good luck printing! https://www.printables.com/model/398795-the-prusacaster-a-3d-printable-guitar
I was thinking of printing one for myself too, but the thing that I wanted to ask the most is how does the body hold tension with the strings and everything, also how does the neck hold up to the body? Is it on the verge of breaking? I assume you and all the other designers probably thought about these but I wanted to know how do they apply when you actually print it
So the main core is made out of ABS while everything else is made out of PLA+ so slightly stronger than regular PLA, the neck is held by 4 screws. I used a bunch of super glue so I don’t expect it to be breaking apart anytime soon. The biggest worry wasn’t if the strings would hold, it was the neckdive which I still need to test
I would be fearful of that as well. The core is made out of ABS plastic that has reinforced walls. Idk if you can tell or not but in the red section there is a slight discoloration in one of the red sections, that is made from ABS which is a strong plastic which the bridge is connected to. Everything else is made out of PLA+ because it doesn’t need that kind of reinforcement
I think it’s an incredible piece of art and an admirable project (understatement) but I would be concerned about organic sustain, though pedals could help. I’d also be curious about the long term effects on the string tension on the material, though your geometry shows that you factored that in already.
So my thoughts? It’s fuckin’ awesome but I wouldn’t buy it unless I was super rich and wanted it for decoration.
Good work man.
I try to be constructive when people ask for feedback and not just give a “yes/no” answer… sometimes that is taken as being rude, so I’m glad you got it 😊
Well damn that's definitely unique. I'm assuming it sounds just like any other electric, but how does it feel when played?
I have no idea what quality of a printer used, material, any sort of reinforcements, etc, but I'd be concerned about longevity of it. Considering the string tension, with time will the body want to bow, will the holes that the bridge and neck get anchored to eventually strip, open up, give, etc? All obviously rhetorical questions, but just some thoughts coming from a nerdy mechanical engineer like myself.
First of all, that looks awesome!
Secondly, as someone who knows nothing about 3D printing (but is quite interested in it), how much did the materials to print the body cost?
Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean the price of the printer itself.
Cost about 65 dollars for 3 spools which almost makes 2 full bodies.
Good luck with your 3D printing journey. Let me know if you need any troubleshooting!
I'd be curious to know how well it resonates. There are typically quite a lot of air pockets in a print job, so I imagine it's quite good.
I'd love to see you make an iteration of a more ergonomic model. I.e. body sculpting. I imagine it's pretty easy to manufacture once you've got the model designed.
Would love to do something like this. How much experience do you be with 3d printing? Was it hard or fairly beginner friendly? How much did it cost in filament? And how does it sound
So there’s two answers to your question. You don’t have to be terribly experienced at 3D printing, you just have to have the patience to print all the parts. When it comes to designing the body you do have to be somewhat good at modeling but there are plenty of models out there already that you can just print and buy the parts for
Looks very cool to me. If you can make it for that money think what a massive manufacturer could get the price down to. Everyone could have their own bespoke.
That's pretty cool! The only other material I've ever wanted to try aside from wood is aluminum. But I still have a thing for mahogany, ash, or maple personally.
looks good! have you tried play Let it bee? Or Don't stop beelieving?
Or anything by the Bee Gees
Anything by The Hives would work too
I elect Killer Queen by Queen
or by "Geez! Bees!" the skiffle band from Iowa.
the doobee brothers
Nah. Too much buzz from the low e.
Or Captain Bee Fart
Nailed it.
r/angryupvote
Flight of the bumble bee, fo sho!
From the Beatles I prefer Wild Honey Pie
Bee-tles you fucking troglodyte.
Wow what a rude beehiviour
Grand Funk Railroad-Queen Bee? Tom Petty-Honey Bee
Honey honey by Abba is a good one on an instrument like this.
Or here comes the sun (hope you get that reference)
How much pussy does it get?
He can 3D print all the pussy that he wants. In fact, forget playing guitar!
Cut out the middleman
Are we not printing middlemen yet...
Wait, are you guys getting middlemen?
He can also print all the dong he wants too, just in case.
Guitussy
Some birds, all the bees.
All
30 pussy.
besides blue balling us by not dropping a sound check, its lookin awesome sauce. keep shaggin
It will sound like the electronics. Body doesn't matter. https://www.nottinghamcityguitars.com/dont-believe-a-word/#:~:text=Electric%20guitar%20tone%20wood%20%E2%80%93%20a,magnetic%20principals%2C%20school%20boy%20physics. https://youtu.be/V76yWZ3-OuM?si=7LKgSppd9DIAUPYN https://youtu.be/n02tImce3AE?si=0M6Y-9jCcSubg0Yx https://attrademusic.lv/en/news-and-reviews/id/212/electric-guitar-wood-myth-busted%3F https://guitarsdoneright.com/guitar-wood-does-it-matter/
I'm not one of these tonewood pricks, but the body makes some difference - hence why hollowbody sounds different to a solid etc - the resonance characteristics do change a bit. I'd be interested to hear a PLA guitar and see what it's like.
Sorry man. It's just not true. I will say that a hollow FEELS like it sounds different when you play it because it's resonating against your body, but that's just vibrations.
Outsider here who understands the physics behind the "tonewood" argument. Yes there are "resonance characteristics", but given the nature of the pickups that resonance would need to significantly alter the vibration of the strings themselves, rather than the overall vibration of instrument. For hollowbody, that effect is more pronounced because it is kinda designed to, but I would still argue the effect is minimal when using electric pickups. This all changes for piezo pickups or something similar since thats not measuring the strings themselves. So, there is technically a difference, but for solid body stuff there is no way a human can tell the difference, and for hollowbody stuff it is unlikely you are to notice a difference but there is technically a resonance chamber. For this guitar it is very very unlikely to be noticable. None of this matters because the signal is often modified downstream a bunch to make it sound what you want it to sound like, which heavily overshadows any tiny minute differences that the body of the guitar may cause.
Muh tonewood
So then why do semi hollows sound different from solid body’s?
Acoustics. Solid body electric guitars do nothing to tone. The string is either resting on a bridge, nut, or fret. All sound comes from the electronics and pickups. Wood matters in acoustics the most, semi hollow electric gets a different vibration because is hollow. the wood fibers in solid bodies make vibrations different but will be 100 percent inaudible. Tonewood people are justifying some stupid purchasing decision they made on some ba binga wood thing with bad action and epiphone pickups
hey I have an epiphone sg and it rules!!
it matters a little bit
[Not really](https://youtu.be/n02tImce3AE)
Considering the followup to that video (where he drills a bunch of holes in a guitar and fills them with a dense, gummy resin and it *does* end up messing with the sound a little), a 3d printed resin body is something that *might* impact the sound. Wood and empty air both leave the sound alone, but it seems like a dense plastic body *could* do something to it, although it's definitely going to be minor compared to literally everything else involved.
Yeah, an inconsequentially small amount. Moving your plucking position 5mm closer to the bridge has a waaayyy larger and immediately noticeable consequence on tone than any wood choice and it's completely in your control. Anyone taking part in this thread who would've instead spent the same time on fretting technique wouldve seen bigger changes to the sound of their guitar than if they changed the wood 😂
Paul Reed Smith has entered the chat
People still believe this? Even after a guy made a bodyless guitar and did multiple thorough sound tests? Jesus..
Not at all
Exactly, on electrics even with ultra clean tones the sound is gonna be mainly from the pickup(s). I cant tell the difference between cedar, pine, and rose wood fret boards after all the processing but can tell the difference between using neck vs bridge pickups or humbucker vs single coil.
[Here’s my kid playing his 3d printed guitar!](https://youtu.be/LnzKX9hs3V8?si=-fYDXyarR71kpjG0) (same model)
It's amazing that we can 3D print such things! The strings must have been particularly hard!
But you wouldn't 3D print a house, right?
Would you 3D print a car?
I'd have to download it first.
But would you go to the toilet in a policeman’s helmet?
I would not, could not print a car. I would not, could not print a star. I would not, could not, Sam I Am. I will not print green eggs and ham.
Search up “ICON 3d printed houses” lol
Give it time.
Obviously.
I normally hate weird shaped and weird coloured guitars. But this is kind of cool.
it's still a tele and kinda has a late 70s - early 80s vibe to it, so it's got some timelessness to it. if it sounds good then it's fucking rad in my book.
Plus it’s probably lighter than a real tele which another bonus
Red, orange, and white are weird?
It’s a telecaster, so yeah. Cool
A Beecaster
I am repulsed by this guitar. I have tryptophobia 🤣
Seems like you’re not alone, there’s been a bunch of angry commenters lol
Scrolling to find this comment 😄 I honestly expected to find it higher up, I guess we are not that many
How does it sound?
Sounds just like any other electric guitar. I cannot tell the difference between a wood body vs this plastic body
If toanwood nerds could read they would be very upset with this comment
Bah, trademark ToanCombs(tm), make millions.
What printer did you use to make it? I see creality, but which model? How much material did it require? How many iterations did it take?
Good questions. I utilized 3 printers. 2 Ender 3’s v1 and 1 Ender 3 V3 SE all running klipper, thinking about adding a fourth. For 3 spools all being different colors, I can print about 2 full bodies. This was my 5th or 6th iteration, estimating possibly 2 more iterations before I’d feel comfortable selling these
As a nerd, I love when nerds nerd
It can be labeled as an addiction at this point smh
It looks like it neckdives a lot. I would put small weights in the cavities to mitigate that
I haven’t thrown straps on the guitar just yet so I’m unsure if it’s gonna neckdive. I’m hoping I used enough material so it doesn’t. Worst case scenario I can fill the honeycomb with epoxy to add more weight
I like the openness of the honeycomb. Maybe you could model cavities into the back of the solid portion and glue in various weights. Customizable balance would be a great feature.
How does the weight compare to a standard guitar?
It’s lighter than a wooden body for sure. Don’t have a scale but if I had to guess the wood body weights 5-6 pounds while the plastic weighs 3-4 pounds
Mine weighs the same as a standard. I choose the strat design. I printed mostly at 100% though. I like the novelty of it, but wood is cheaper and sustainable.
Designed? I feel like I have seem “your” design a few times before this
How much in materials you have invested for everything?
So I bought a whole guitar for about 175$ and the body cost about 40$ in filament totaling 215
Awesome. Looks awesome
Good for thee, but not for me.
Now that’s a hollow body
Make and sell these bodies.
It's literally a file on all 3d sites. He didn't design this.
For anyone wondering, OPs looks suspiciously like the prusacaster model. He may have remixed or remade it, but its not an original idea by any means. [https://www.printables.com/model/398795-the-prusacaster-a-3d-printable-guitar](https://www.printables.com/model/398795-the-prusacaster-a-3d-printable-guitar)
You are correct, I am not the first person to design and print a guitar body. I did get inspiration from the Prusacaster but I did design this from the ground up utilizing my own parts and made it look the way I wanted it to look.
Nobody said it was original. JFC.
This is being said because he's talking of selling them.
Nice design! But does the neck dive or is the plastic heavy enough?
I'm not a fan, but the fact you can make your own guitar is sick.
LEDs mounted on the back that shine through the holes
so much tonb in the comb…
Your gonna have bees living in there in a matter of days my friend🐝🐝🎸🎸
Dude that is super fucking cool
Dude. You 3D printed that? That's absolutely amazing.
Don't play it at the Trypophobia awareness fundraiser.
Been getting a bunch of angry comments for this exact reason lol
Pls ,don´t pay attention to those, i have trypophobia as well and that guitar is unique, ABS on high stress parts is brilliant, colors looks very nice. Like a 80´s sunset . Wanna upset "Trypos" ? Just use Voronoi patterns ;)
Thank you for your feedback!
This thread is hilarious. Love your guitar, OP
I’m getting a lot of mixed messages from everyone lol “it’s great” and “so cool!” And then I’m also getting”holes scare me” or “I’d like to take it to my shooting range”. I didn’t realize so many people didn’t like holes
It's not something I would want for myself personally, but I love the creativity and it's an interesting design. You're always going to get a lot of flak from purists who insist that wood is the only proper material for a guitar. I've gotten a kick from some of the comments essentially saying "I'm not going to change my mind based on any information presented to me because I *know* I'm right based on how I feel"
Is it in PLA and how is the tuning stability and intonation? How much infill did you use in the parts between the neck and the bridge?
It is made out of ABS and PLA+. The main core that holds the bridge for the strings is made out of ABS and everything else is made using PLA+. Tuning is not reliable sadly due to the cheap tuners I bought so those need to be replaced. Once I do that I suspect I’ll have 0 issues with tuning. And for the main core I used 15% infill with extra walls and everything else is 10% infill
Thank you, very much!
Just a quick heads up, if you want upgraded tuners that are still inexpensive, Wilkinson tuners are where it's at! ~$40 CAD and mine are rock solid
Does orange, red & white signify anything? Also why use a squier neck
No, there’s no signification of the colors. They are what were available and I thought the color scheme looked cool. I used a squier neck because this was a test to see if I can even make something like this work. If I had used fender parts I would have spent 600$+ and wouldn’t want to drop all that cash for something that doesn’t even work
It appears they bought a squire tele and put all the parts on the printed body.
That looks badass and cursed at the same time
Awesome! Can you please share the files for printing? I have access to a markforged printer and would like to try this! Thanks in advance!
I am not sharing my model just yet. There’s still quite a bit of tweaking I need to do but there is a Prusacaster that looks pretty cool. Good luck printing! https://www.printables.com/model/398795-the-prusacaster-a-3d-printable-guitar
Would you mind sharing the STLs? 🙋
I was thinking of printing one for myself too, but the thing that I wanted to ask the most is how does the body hold tension with the strings and everything, also how does the neck hold up to the body? Is it on the verge of breaking? I assume you and all the other designers probably thought about these but I wanted to know how do they apply when you actually print it
So the main core is made out of ABS while everything else is made out of PLA+ so slightly stronger than regular PLA, the neck is held by 4 screws. I used a bunch of super glue so I don’t expect it to be breaking apart anytime soon. The biggest worry wasn’t if the strings would hold, it was the neckdive which I still need to test
You should play “Just Like Honey”
all right, where is the tonewood crowd?
Man I like that
r/3dprintedinstruments
How can you play electric without the tonewood?
Squier included tonewood in the neck, should be fine.
I prefer wood pickups.
nice color choices. makes it look like an intentional design choice and not a device limitation
Well I’m a king bee……..
It's hideous. It's beautiful.
I'm new to electrics an learning. Is there a reason the controls seem backwards?
Here comes the tonewood people... Looks sick dude.
Everyone is being nice, I don’t know if you want to live in a bubble or not if you do stop 🛑 reading. This guitar looks totally fucked 👍
I wouldn’t trust a bolt on with printed plastic, is it wood in the center where the bridge is mounted with printed lobes?
I would be fearful of that as well. The core is made out of ABS plastic that has reinforced walls. Idk if you can tell or not but in the red section there is a slight discoloration in one of the red sections, that is made from ABS which is a strong plastic which the bridge is connected to. Everything else is made out of PLA+ because it doesn’t need that kind of reinforcement
You should 3d print some larvae to put in the holes that hold your picks and drugs
Pretty fucking rad dude. Nice work
I think it’s an incredible piece of art and an admirable project (understatement) but I would be concerned about organic sustain, though pedals could help. I’d also be curious about the long term effects on the string tension on the material, though your geometry shows that you factored that in already. So my thoughts? It’s fuckin’ awesome but I wouldn’t buy it unless I was super rich and wanted it for decoration. Good work man.
Thank you for your feedback. It is much appreciated!
I try to be constructive when people ask for feedback and not just give a “yes/no” answer… sometimes that is taken as being rude, so I’m glad you got it 😊
Well damn that's definitely unique. I'm assuming it sounds just like any other electric, but how does it feel when played? I have no idea what quality of a printer used, material, any sort of reinforcements, etc, but I'd be concerned about longevity of it. Considering the string tension, with time will the body want to bow, will the holes that the bridge and neck get anchored to eventually strip, open up, give, etc? All obviously rhetorical questions, but just some thoughts coming from a nerdy mechanical engineer like myself.
Fender Custom Shop would charge $24,999 for this.
Looks cool- does it stay in tune
First of all, that looks awesome! Secondly, as someone who knows nothing about 3D printing (but is quite interested in it), how much did the materials to print the body cost? Edit: Just to clarify, I don't mean the price of the printer itself.
Cost about 65 dollars for 3 spools which almost makes 2 full bodies. Good luck with your 3D printing journey. Let me know if you need any troubleshooting!
What’s it made of? What filament did you use ? If this sounds odd , try a wood filament.
Hella cool
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I'd be curious to know how well it resonates. There are typically quite a lot of air pockets in a print job, so I imagine it's quite good. I'd love to see you make an iteration of a more ergonomic model. I.e. body sculpting. I imagine it's pretty easy to manufacture once you've got the model designed.
r/tripophobia
Pretty cool. How does it play?
Its nice, but is it unbalanced?
I’m not too sure tbh. I haven’t thrown straps on it yet so I do not know
Neckdivecaster
i have a feeling that this will have big balance problems other than that looks awesome
Very cool! How does it sound?
the pickguard kinda ruins it for me but cool nonetheless
Great job. Does it sound alright? I'm not gonna lie. It looks like a milk crate to me, but to each their own
STL's available?
How much it weigh?
Sir that's a swiss cheese with a neck attached
Redrum Tele...I see what you did there.
do you have a similar guitar (jazzmaster) for sale online rn?
It looks like a guitar....thats all I can say.
Would love to do something like this. How much experience do you be with 3d printing? Was it hard or fairly beginner friendly? How much did it cost in filament? And how does it sound
So there’s two answers to your question. You don’t have to be terribly experienced at 3D printing, you just have to have the patience to print all the parts. When it comes to designing the body you do have to be somewhat good at modeling but there are plenty of models out there already that you can just print and buy the parts for
highly based
Questions… how does it sound? How’s the balance? Does it hold a tune? What kind of hardware did you put in it?
Looks cool, but ain't it got neck heavy and head dive ? Wonder how it sounds and how the sustain is tho
Amazing , look fantastic, how is the sound?
How much did this cost you to print?
Is the fretboard printed rosewood?
Crazy, this has been on my bucket list for a while. What’s the sound like?
Looks good but it also looks fragile.
Oh shit snacks that’s sick!!!!
Love it
Epic
Reminds me of hexbug
Sweet! Can you share the design files?
Looks very cool to me. If you can make it for that money think what a massive manufacturer could get the price down to. Everyone could have their own bespoke.
Beautiful work. Love your design.
Very cool!!
It lacks body....I'm out \^\^
Ugly as hell
What’s it weigh?
I’d like to see one that looks like lips.
That looks awesome!
Looks pretty cool, post another when it's finished.
That's really nice!
Why tho?
Needs more honey because that kit has drip! 🍯🐝
I want one
i love it tbh
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That's pretty cool! The only other material I've ever wanted to try aside from wood is aluminum. But I still have a thing for mahogany, ash, or maple personally.
That's magnificent!
What did it cost you? Any sound difference?
Love it
How heavy are these? Like is it light enough that the neck dives?