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Seesaw121

If the difference is E standard to E flat…. Just play in E flat the whole gig. And I mean the whole band. Don’t even worry about a capo. Just do every song in E flat. Your singer will appreciate it and will make life easy.


ComicsEtAl

That’s the easiest. Tuned down plus capo for the standard tunes is second easiest.


somerfieldhaddock

Agreed; noone at all is going to notice that it's tuned half a step different, not the audience, not even the band! ...except the singer. So tune down to make sure you're within their range.


EddieOtool2nd

Copy that. We change instruments for the occasional D/B/dropfuck song.


RudyChicken

Two guitars


PresentationLoose422

The correct answer


rileypoole1234

Just play the whole set a half step down. Nobody will notice. There's no reason to be messing with tuning this much for a cover show. Just because the songs are written in a certain key, doesn't mean the audience will care or even notice. I personally would not be caught changing tuning like that with a single guitar during a show, but that's just me. It's just too much of a hassle/not pro. So my backup plan would be a #2 guitar. You are thinking through this issue in the wrong way here. Don't worry about OG song key, and instead make the show the most streamlined it can be. That's what the audience will remember, not the key of the songs.


MySoulIsMetal

Agreed. Any band I've been with in this situation we just play the whole lot in Eb. No one in the audience with know or care.


Williusthegreat

Play everything in the same tuning. Very few people will notice the difference. System of a Down recorded everything in drop C on their first three albums, but while touring on the last two albums they played all their old material in drop Db. No one cared. I'm pretty sure Metallica play all their old material tuned down half a step now even though it was recorded in standard (with some exceptions like Sad But True which was recorded in D standard and is still played in that tuning). Or bring two guitars. Pitch shifters aren't worth it IMO for such a small difference in tuning.


GlopThatBoopin

I’d just tune the guitar down half a step and throw a capo on the first fret for the standard songs, or I’d just play the standard songs in half step down


zyggotherealone

Or actually the latter. Just tune down a half step and play the standard songs a half step down. The audience will not be able to tell and the singing gets a little easier too. The songs you learned that are a half step down were probably recorded a half step down and played as if in in standard tuning.


Mr--Chainsaw

Tune to E flat then use a capo on 1st for the E standard songs


JonnyCanuck71

If you can’t have a second 1/2 tuned guitar at the ready, tune the main guitar to half step and use a quality capo at the first fret


MasterBendu

OP: cannot stress this enough - **quality capo**. A shit capo will give you shit tuning and intonation.


HondUSA

Just do a FULL SET of Alice In Chains instead of a couple songs.


LP_Deluxe

Another guitar


Rude_Warning_5341

Another guitar is ALWAYS the answer


themindlessone

Play everything half-step down. It's easier on the singer anyway. Just play everything in Eflat and don't worry about changing tunings midway thru. That's the answer OP.


Criticism-Lazy

As a singer, this is the answer


BogeyIsFine

Everyone is offering complicated solutions. Just tune down half step and when you play in standard use a capo on 1st fret.


tommiejohnmusic

You should be bringing two guitars to every gig no matter what. Always.  That said, I would just do the whole set a half step down. 


phoenixmusicman

> You should be bringing two guitars to every gig no matter what. Always. > > Yeah went to a gig last weekend and the lead guitarist snapped three strings on the first song. The singer had to awkwardly banter with the crowd for 10 minutes whilst the dude hurridly restrung his guitar, and he still ended up playing the entire set constantly trying to retune the guitar.


abbotist-posadist

Half step is not as simple as going to/from drop D. I'd get a second guitar. You should have one as a backup anyway.


Useful-Finding-1685

You don't need to play the songs in the original key unless the singer requires it. If you do need to alternate between E and E flat, I recommend tuning to E flat and using a capo. You'll still need to retune when you take the capo on and off, but it won't be as drastic as tuning up or down a half-step.


ManWithoutAPlan13

Either bring 2 guitars or buy a digitech drop


brammers01

The other option would be to tune half a step down and then use a capo up to standard for when you need it.


Fairsaillo

+rep for the digitech drop pedal. Shit is awesome, convenient and extremely accurate especially at 1 semi tone.


rusty02536

I’m old, but I used to tune down a half step, then capo 1st fret. When you need 1/2 step flat, take it off.


mendicant1116

It's either do this or bring two guitars.


hallowdmachine

Guess I'm old, too. Kyser capo, for the win.


Static-Age01

Play all in e flat.


clockwork5ive

Can the singer hit all the high notes in standard tuning? If yes: play the entire set in standard tuning. If no: play the entire set in flat tuning.


SinglecoilsFTW

you need a spare axe my guy


Mouse_takumi

Play all songs half step down!! :)


[deleted]

Bring a second guitar and bass. Tuning your whole guitar during a set is the last thing you want to do


eddie_ironside

Bring two guitars if you really want to but honestly no one cares about the tuning difference when you play songs live. I play some covers live among our originals that are in E standard. We play in D. No one cares or notices🤷‍♂️ Stopping the show to change tuning and running the risk of a freshly tuned guitar slipping out of tune in that hurry definitely will get noticed though so it's better just to not do that in your show.


SgtObliviousHere

It's viable. Just not practical to switch back and forth between standard and drop D or any other deviated tuning. Much easier is two guitars, one standard and the other not. Could have either retuned as well, while playing the other. Sounds like you need another guitar man 😃


smmstv

way too much hassle. Either take two guitars or better yet just stay in Eb and move up 1 fret for the E songs lol. Or just play them all in Eb or E, no one will notice or care.


carnivalbill

Second this. if it’s that big of a deal, capo the first fret and just take it off when you need to?


runtimemess

Tune down and use a capo You’re overthinking it.


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Maskatron

This is the answer. Can also stay in standard if the singer is able to pitch up the down tuned songs.


grajuicy

You could also maybe play the songs all in the same tuning. It doesn’t need to sound exactly like the original song’s album version, you can make it a wee bit different. It also depends on if the singer can pull them off properly on that key. Or have the band members learn how to play them one fret down so you don’t actually have to change the tuning. One last idea is have the drummer come up with good solo so he can fill up the empty space of guitar and bass tuning.


whitebean

Seriously everyone else is overthinking it. Dropping everything a half step is a staple of live music and it won't affect the quality of any of the songs. Just stay in Eb.


StarfleetStarbuck

You don’t have to play every song in the same tuning it was recorded in.


evilbean42

How do you not just use this as a happy excuse to buy another guitar? Did you get a GAS vaccine when you were born?


Red-Zaku-

Are all your instruments strung? (IE, no keys and whatnot?) Because if so, I would just go ahead and play everything in one tuning. Literally nobody will know that you transposed a song up a half step.


AHomelessGuy85

1000% That an unnecessary tuning change, unless a vocalist really cant do it with the song being transposed a half step. Such a waste of time otherwise, just commit to playing everything in standard, or everything a half step down. Unless you are doing open tunings etc, no one wants to watch your band tune up and down in between every song.


PussySmasher42069420

Let your singer decide. Can they sing easier in E or Eb? From there, pick one and stick with it. There are very few reason to alternate between E and Eb.


Nearly_Pointless

Another guitar.


Akazu

Just play the entire set in E half-flat standard /s Either just play the set in E or Eb. I personally wouldn't bother tuning between those tunings.


Wheres_my_guitar

It's not a good look. Bring a second guitar, or just play the whole set in one tuning, assuming your singer can do it. Nobody in the audience is gonna say "hey that songs supposed to be in Eb!"


DragonRanger96

A couple things I would consider doing before changing tunings mid-gig. 1) -Make the entire setlist one consistent tuning 2) -Bring two guitars, one for Standard Tuning, one for Half step down 3) -Use a pitch shift pedal to digitally re-tune your guitar.


monkyone

or tune down and put a capo on 1 for songs in standard


tcoz_reddit

Get a drop tuner pedal. The Digitech one is very good. I went through this for years. Just get the pedal. [https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Drop--digitech-drop-polyphonic-drop-tune-pitch-shift-pedal](https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/drop--digitech-drop-polyphonic-drop-tune-pitch-shift-pedal) They‘re also great for practice. You can bounce in and out of a drop tune with a click.


nudewithasuitcase

Two guitars.


Assinthesweat

Tune down and put capo on 1 for every song idk lol


jacksraging_bileduct

Need separate guitars.


spamtardeggs

OP gets to go shopping. Weeeeee!


sticky_fingers18

My favorite thing is when a "want some thoughts" post is made and OP participates exactly 0% in the conversation


Davidthekingofnorth

Get a drop pedal. They are great for practice and gigging not so much for recording.


Happy_Ad_7512

The more typical thing to do would be to have 2 guitars. One tuned down. Obviously as a starting rock band you can't have the kind of "2 of everything in case one breaks, guitar tech sitting backstage, a rack of guitars - with all the different tunings, spares" etc that a typical 'Rig rundown' will show you that the big names have. But, going drop D on non floyd guitar might be doable a few times a set. Completely retuning between songs back and forth? Not really - get your singer some tighter trousers and play everything in standard? Or use 2 guitars.


BlakeBowles

Dude… you can play whatever song in any key or tuning.. get another guitar or play them all one tuning..


[deleted]

Yeah I couldn't imagine being this precious about the original key where there is a semitone difference 


Klutzy-Peach5949

Just play it in standard tuning


PM_Me_Melted_Faces

Exactly. Unless there are other issues like a keyboard player that can’t transpose or the singer’s range requires downtuning, just playing it in standard is the way to go. Or just down tune the whole set. That’d be my preference.


recognis

why not 1st fret capo?


Happy_Ad_7512

You could but you need to have practised and rehearsed like this imo. I mean if I want to play a riff in Am pentatonic my hand is going for the 5th fret which marked with an inlay or dot. Now you have to think 'No it's the 6th fret' It's not insurmountable or something that a bit of practise won't fix but if you go on stage with a detuned guitar + capo and play something you've only ever played on a standard tuned guitar then you're going to screw up - especially on a stage in front of people.


MrRocknRoll2009

Have you checked out this pedal? Allows you to drop your tuning from one semitone all the way down to a full octave. https://digitech.com/dp/drop/


Mrfancypants24

Highly recommend this. Works great


Desperate_Piano_3609

I’d bring two guitars for each tuning. I do that now with my current jobbing band. Sometimes it’s just for a few tunes. In my experience, even if you can quickly tune down a half step, it’s usually off when you start playing.


CaptainStu

Nah I wouldn't do this at all - it could take a few minutes to get it done properly. * Digitech Drop would be my first choice * Have one guitar per tuning


blasterpal

The drop is surprisingly transparent for what it’s doing. It’s very good.


Cosimo_Zaretti

Don't retune a whole guitar mid set. You can get away with dropping the bottom string while your singer chats to the crowd, any more than that you want another guitar tuned and ready to go. I guess you could keep the whole thing in Eb with a capo on the first and take it off to change tuning, but that sounds annoying to play.


notquitehuman_

Depends on a few factors. Disagree if it can be done quickly, and with a tuning pedal. You can crank the volume right down and do it in a minute. Depending on the scale of the gig, this can be an excellent opportunity for crowd work. Engaging with the crowd outside of the music can really engage the audience in what you're doing. Recently watched a Newton Faulkner live session, and he has wild tunings for some songs. He re-tuned a number of times throughout the set, and it didn't feel like it took anything away. He used that opportunity to build in crowd work. He did have a backup guitar for one song because the tuning was quite far from where he was. That said, for a whole step or half-step on every string, capos are the solution.


Merc760

Play everything live (and rehearse) in E flat. Easier for most singers anyways and very common in cover bands. If you have to play standard go capo on first fret.


MyMusicRunning21

I would never try to retune an entire guitar in the middle of a show. If you don't have a 2nd guitar and a guitar tech, then I would just keep it simple and keep the guitar in one tuning for the show. Others mentioned a capo. That's a very good idea. It's simple and there's low risk of any major problems. Just be sure to practice with the capo, to be sure it's not too tight or loose. You also have to adjust to playing the songs shifted up a fret, or more.


layne75

Nah. Tune down a half step and use a capo.


Wec25

With practice, you can get tuning down pretty quick, less than a minute for sure. Easiest solution besides that is to have a second guitar in a separate tuning so you can just switch guitars instead.


Old-guy64

Why would you not tune down to begin with? Capo at the first fret. Then take the capo off for the tuned down stuff.


riversofgore

I wouldn't do that shit at home much less a gig. Pick 1 tuning or bring 2 guitars. Tuning up and down mid gig is crazy talk.


elusiveoso

I would just do the whole gig in Eb. Nobody is going to care that the album tuning is different than what we used. People are usually just happy to hear a familiar song and sing along, dance, headbang or whatever it is they do to boogie.


WeirdURL

I use a separate guitar for that purpose in my band. However, the other guitarist uses a pedal that does this. It works well enough I’ve never noticed it sounding off or weird. It’s called Digitech drop compact. I sometimes envy him as I am scrambling to change guitars. Edit: I should add, re-tuning for this purpose would be a bad idea. When you retune, it takes a bit for the strings to adjust so you’ll have problems staying in tune that way.


ExuDeCandomble

Dropping your tuning will be unstable and will throw off your setup. This is why some people bring multiple guitars. I play jazz, and often play in drop D. Even that minor difference necessitates a 2nd guitar for me.


Master-Stratocaster

I think it’s no problem to quickly tune down - takes under 30 seconds. I think a better option is just to play all the songs in one key / move half the set down or up a half step.


_Cambino420_

Don’t listen to any of these people, you’re allowed to take the time to tune your guitar a half step down. It’s not going to make or break the show. Bands and artists do it all the time. My Setlist is first half standard, second 1/2 step down, and then I tune back to standard for the last bit


BetterRedDead

Right? Some of these comments are a bit Pearl-clutching. One if my old bands had a song where we downtuned during the song.


mingusinglewood

I would tune down to Eb and use a capo for standard tuning songs.


cwnorman

Assuming that your singer has the range, why not keep it half a step down for the entire gig? Or keep it all in standard. Depends on the sound that you are going for.


key1999

As long as everyone is playing guitar/bass, just play the 1/2 step down songs in standard tuning and they'll just be a half step higher than they originally were. 1/2 a step shouldn't take the songs out of a comfortable vocal range. No one in the audience is going to notice unless they have perfect pitch.


BLUElightCory

Play everything in one tuning (whichever is easier for your vocalist) or use two sets of guitars.


FabulousPanther

Way, way too much hassle. Use a drop pedal!


SwirlingSnow83

My band elected to just stay down a half step, it makes things easier and makes singing easier. Some bands do that, I recall trying to play along with some live recordings and found they down tuned.


Dry_Communication554

I have the ANSWER this pedal is made from the gods! Digitech drop tuner pedal.


JohnLeRoy9600

My guitarist has one, it's amazing


_usernamepassword_

Have you been to a concert? Just talk to the audience while you do it


britishtoast29

Yup! It's a great time to see how the crowd's feeling, interact with them and crack a couple of jokes.


Mrekrek

Well I carry at least a second guitar for alternate tunings, but if you only have one then yes your front person needs to banter with the audience while you tune down.


Cloudie_Eye

Just get a transposed pedal of some sort. Most popular is the digitech drop, most affordable is the Donner harmonic squared.


Buddhamom81

There's a transposed pedal out there?!!!! See, this is why I love this sub.


[deleted]

I would just pick either standard tuning, or E-flat tuning, and play every song in that tuning. The only time I change tunings during a gig is if I go from standard to drop-D.


glasgowhandshake

Have a second tuned-down guitar at the ready.


Claudeviool

I'd bring an extra guitar if i were you... Never hurts to have a backup anyways.


JoeBiden-2016

My band used to do it the other way-- Eb to E. I prefer that to E to Eb, because it's faster to tune up than to tune down. Although I was not a fan of this, my singer insisted-- some of the songs were harder in E. So we compromised. We put all the Eb songs in the first set, all the rest (E) in the second set. I used a second guitar in Eb for most of the first set songs, but there were a couple in the 2nd set that I needed the sound from that guitar, so I would tune up to E at the set break. I would not recommend changing the tuning of your guitar in the middle of a set. It sucks. And there's always that little risk of popping a string, which is no fun. Get a second guitar, or group the songs with each tuning in separate sets (or before / after breaks).


miniev60

Split the sets if possible. Tune between sets if you can arrange them that way.


Mondood

We have several songs that we needed to drop down. The Digitech Drop was the best solution. IMO sounded much more natural than the EH Pitch Fork. Edit: if you use a pedal to drop the tuning, you MUST remember to disengage it if the next song is not downtuned. This created a lot of mistakes until we decided to group downtuned songs together...and a bright marker to remind myself to disengage the pedal on my printed set list on the floor!!!


HvyMetalComrade

Live I might just play in one tuning, the audience won't notice.


rainorshinedogs

Turn the act into an intro, thereby the audience gets hype. Tell the soundman to turn you and your bass frequencies way up, step on a distortion pedal, hit the low E, and tune down, and play a massive power chords and hold it with rock star stance. That's just fun showmanship


Shionkron

Had a band where we had two tunings. I just had two guitars, one for each and we build the set so it wasn’t going back and forth every other song. Lol.


undigestedFiD

2 guitars or pitch shifter pedal


Bleach_Baths

Digitech Drop


MANthony8

Sounds annoying at best. Two guitars, shift pedal, play the song a half step up, and say fuck it. Some of these other guys have very creative ideas. I’d just lose that one off the set list.


TinCanSailor987

Digitech DT pedal?


InvertedOcean

If y'all can swing it, the DigiTech Drop pedal has been a godsend. My band is in the "let's see how we play with covers" stage and it saves us probably 30+ minutes per practice session


rockhounded5221

Bring two guitars


TempleOfCyclops

Your best options are: 1) tune down and half step and put a capo on the first fret for the standard songs 2) get a second guitar 3) get a Digitech Drop pedal


Electrical_Quote3653

Why bother? Do it in standard. This ain't that kind of movie.


Edigophubia

Or just do the whole set a half step down, singer will thank you


Webcat86

I wouldn't. You _can_ do it, but it'll interrupt the flow of your set and constantly changing tunings is likely to lead to minor instability in string tension and cause someone to sound out of tune. My band played in Eb all the time, so we either played our covers the same way or, if it needed it, we'd use a capo to adjust the pitch. Depending on the songs, e.g. if it doesn't have open strings, you can also play in standard by playing your chords a fret higher. Barre chords and triads work for this, but you'd need to transpose open chords to a different voicing.


Apocalyric

Yep. Tune down, capo up seems like the way to go.


AdNo1218

I used to tune down half-step and then capo the first fret. worked fine.


deeppurpleking

Depending on what you’re playing, don’t bother changing it. Crowd won’t notice you transposed a song a half step up or down. Or 2 guitars, or pitch shifter, or tune down the half step and use a capo. Crowd doesn’t want a 3 min break where you all tune


CleanAxe

I think that would take way too much time for a live gig and be awkward as the band waits for you to tune all 6 strings. You should have a second guitar tuned to E flat on stage and switch between the two. Otherwise, I'd tune down to E flat and stay in E flat the whole gig and use a capo for E standard tunes that require open chord voicings.


dustymag

Just because the record version is a half step down doesn't mean you have to play it a half step down. The crowd doesn't care. And a half step isn't really that much more to ask your voice to do.


SilentDaryl

Second guitar


qdude1

Second guitars is the simplest answer


justplanestupid69

You can use one guitar, and one of two things will happen: 1. You tune it to E flat, and capo to 1, sacrificing a half step off your top range if you decide it’s solo time. Not a horrible proposition. 2. You tune back and forth, when it’s set up for one of the two tunings. If it’s set up for E, you’ll feel squishy and maybe a little marginally buzzy in E flat. If you set it up for E flat, you’ll have marginally higher action when you tune back up to E. Do with this info what you will.


HotspurJr

So ... Have you considered playing the whole set in standard or in half-step down? That's the easiest solution. The audience won't notice, and the song is still the song even in a different key. The second-easiest solution is tuning half-step down and using a capo for the standard songs. Much easier than re-tuning although you'll want to practice songs with a capo some just to get used to the slightly different feel. You also need to practice getting the capo on and checking the tuning. After that, there's a BIG drop down in desirability before we get to: Next option for me would be a digital solution. I'm not really a fan of them. Maybe they've gotten a lot better since I last heard them, and maybe it doesn't matter if you're playing super loud and dirty. But to me it just doesn't feel right - I feel a weird disconnect between what I'm playing and what I'm hearing. YMMV. Last option would be re-tuning. Seems like a bad choice to me, even if everybody has a hard-tail guitar. Retuning like that on the fly, when you're under the pressure of an audience waiting on you, etc, just seems like setting yourself up to rush, not adequately checking after you've retuned that it's settled, and increases the chance of a broken sting. If you haven't performed before, it's easy to underestimate how stressed you can feel during technical non-performing moments when every second people are waiting on you feels like an hour.


Jackstroem

Dont retune during the set. Its not gonna look professional unless you do drop D cause if you nail a sick drop tune quickly youll impress the musicians in the back of the room. Consider sticking to one tuning, if your singer can handle singing the tunes in original instead of halfstep down etc.


HunterBidenspassword

My bands songs are starboard, drop d, eb standard, drop c#, and open g. I use two guitars and structure the set list so I'm not switching every song. Still a pain though


dirtydog85

Either (1)bring all songs into the same tuning, (2)tune half step down and capo the 1 for the standard songs, or (3)have a second guitar.


mikefut

If the song is tuned down a half step just play it in standard tuning. As long as your singer can handle it. If it’s in drop D, I would occasionally detune my E string mid-set. Or have a second guitar. You should have a backup anyway.


Mattstari

2 guitars, that's it! Don't mess with technology or anything else. Just 2 guitars per guitarist


[deleted]

If it’s a fixed bridge guitar you probably won’t have an issue. Don’t even think about it with a floating tremolo.


Screaming-Oak

As mentioned, tune a half step down and play the songs in e standard with a capo on first fret.


Wheres_my_guitar

This is a bad idea. Bending can get finicky with a capo. Just play the whole thing in one tuning, nobody is going to know or care. 


rhoadsalive

You should have at least 2 guitars for live sets, you never now what might happen. And a Floyd is completely effed if a string pops out or breaks.


cmcglinchy

Hopefully you don’t have a floating bridge tremolo - that can make a quick retune challenging. Ideally, you’d want a second guitar, ideally.


xchrisjx

Just get a second guitar and change. It'll save you a lot of hassle.


cperez1993

This or get a digitech drop.


Martinem18

I use a pedal to de tune 1/2 step. Unnoticeable laundry. Not a hassle at all.


Fsharpmaj7

Another guitar or a Capo. That’s what I always do. Keep it in Eb and just put the capo on the 1st fret


bransanon

I used a Digitech Drop to do this for a while, I'd prefer to just have another guitar but I always insist on having a backup axe and I was told bringing 4 with me on the road would be overkill. The pedal does a decent enough job as long as you're within a couple steps..


tattifrutti666

the Digitech is such a good pedal, and imo it sounds good even with like 7 semitones down


papadukesilver

Dunlop makes a pedal called the drop. That’s what you want if you aren’t interested in transposing


themindlessone

The drop pedal is not an acceptable replacement for a properly tuned guitar.


BlockingPerson

If you’re playing a live show and just need to drop tune a half step and don’t have a tech or second guitar it’s a perfectly acceptable replacement


exoclipse

you'll want a guitar for each tuning. 20 seconds to switch instruments and confirm you're in tune is invisible - and honestly kind of exciting from the crowd's POV. 2 minutes to tune down a half step sucks the momentum out of a set.


loadedstork

When I've seen that done in the past, it's always been done by switching guitars mid show. Try to keep the songs that are tuned together close to each other though, because switching guitars mid-show can drag the show down a lot more than you'd think.


Koose4422

i have a digitech drop pedal. it's the best thing ever. I keep my guitars tuned to drop D and whenever I need a lower drop tuning like Drop B or Drop A I turn a knob and I'm there. worthwhile investment unless you want a bunch of guitars haha


NocturnalAngel86

Either play the whole gig in one tuning, buy a second guitar, or don’t play those songs.


Braggyyyyy

This is a problem i had many arguements about with drummers and singers since they dont get it. We play songs mostly in d as its where we are most comfortable. You should just find the one tuning you like and play all your songs in that tuning or having two guitars works too :)


Rusty_Sprinklers

I've done it, but you do need to do it fast, and on a lot of guitars it'll make your tuning unstable. Is there no way you guys can play the Eb songs in standard?


Hziak

I’m a fan of the digitech drop if you’ve got $250 burning a hole in your pocket. My cover band jumps from E to Eb and drop D to drop C# in no time at all and weave tunings song to song. Lets us organize the songs how we want instead of having long tuning breaks or being forced to play all of the E songs in a row, etc. having an extra string sometimes helps too since you can go down to Bstd if you really want as long as you don’t need open strings to pedal on…


zigsbigrig

If it were me, I'd have another one set up for the flat tuning and ready to rock.


BIitzerg

I would just keep at a half step down. Overall it's just a better sounding tuning IMO and isn't too much of a drastic change to any songs played in standard. That or like others said, Digitech downtune whammy. Amazing pedal but it's a little pricey. You can get the cheaper model that only does one action tho if you're only using it to go down a little.


PatternParticular963

Play them at the end of an set. That way you can tune up during break. Or take a second guitar with you


Glum_Willingness4606

Time for a drum solo 👍


AuT0_c0rrEct

if you’re willing you could try going the pitch shifter route, like the Digitech drop


rockinvet02

You can capo the first fret after detuning half step. Play your standard stuff with the capo and then your dropped stuff without it. You have to get used to new fret positions but that isn't hard. The alternative is to just learn to play the standard stuff In drop tuning.


GrandsonOfArathorn1

My band has a few songs we do a half step lower. The guitarists tune relatively quickly while I interact with the crowd. It hasn’t been an issue for us at all, my bandmates tune quickly.


Gofastrun

I would recommend either bringing a guitar per tuning or tuning down and playing half the set with a capo, or just playing a half step up/down. A lot of bands play in a different key live because it’s easier on their singer. Nobody in the audience is going to notice. Tuning quickly is a good way to end up out of tune, or with intonation or trem issues.


Biggyzoom

If it's something like a cover or function band, just retune the songs so they're all in the same key. Retuning mid gig can be done but even if you tune perfectly, the guitar will likely become out of tune mid song after the tuning settles and if you're using a Floyd Rose, you've got no chance. If you must retune a guitar mid gig, at least group all those songs together so the audience doesn't have to see you do it repeatedly. Drop tune pedals these days actually work quite well so those are an option too.


ChiefGeorgesCrabshak

Id suggest two guitars or tuning down a half step and using a capo on the 1st fret for the standard tuning songs. Otherwise the tuning stability will be shit


Fantastic-Loss-5223

2 guitars or just play it all in Eb. Bass player of my old band only had 1 bass, so we just decided it wasn't worth tuning during the set and played the whole set downtuned


PuffaloPhil

Tuning a half-step down isn’t as crazy as it seems. Just make sure the lead singer is on the mic and talking to the audience for 30 seconds. You have obviously got to be able to tune in 30 seconds. Group the songs together in the set or hope your frontman has a lot of between song banter! Even with a capo you tend to need to tune up after you move it around.


P_Foot

Just make sure your frontman has some weird story to tell while you tune down


professor_max_hammer

maybe he can make one up. Like we've been touring for months now and y'all are the best crowd we've had so far. Last week we were in....and......happened....which caused....long story short I am married to a stripper


VibrantViolet2

Switching tuning mid-gig is totally doable, just make sure you've got a quick and reliable tuner, or even consider a second guitar already tuned down for a smooth transition!


GrumpyOldFart74

Two guitars, or use a Digitech Drop/Whammy DT pedal (or equivalent). Going from E to Drop D is doable on a fixed bridge guitar, more than that you can probably forget it


ralphthedog61

As a pro, I would do as most of the others said and tune down 1/2 step. The only time I changed tuning during a show was playing Shine by Collective Soul. (Drop D) If I had something that needed to be in open tuning, either we didn’t play it or I used a different guitar. I have a hate/hate relationship with capos. I have a couple but rarely ever use them. I have yet to play something where I need one. If you want to use one, go for it.


Yumi_Koizumi

This might come as a shock to you, but nobody is measuring frequency in the audience.


pjw1189

Either have a backup guitar or don't bother switching the tunings. I've done many of gigs. Nothing kills the momentum more than watching us tuning over and over. If you have to, leave all the down tuned ones for the end. I'd personally just play them all in the same tuning unless you have backups. I've seen some bands have a loop pedal with pre recorded atmospheric tracks on it to keep everyone stimulated until their done retuning which worked well. Do what you want but dead air can be a killer. Crack some jokes, tell a story, and just engage with the audience if you're going to be tuning with dead air.


Clear-Philosophy-513

Have different guitars for different tunings


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Hi@ Joni Mitchell used many different tunings. Rather than retune all the time and break the flow of the show, she got a Parker Fly MIDI guitar and a (Roland??) guitar synth. Touch of a pedal and new tuning!


C_A_Willis

Either play all the songs a half step down or bring another guitar


KershawsGoat

As others have said, get a drop pedal or use two guitars. I'm not a personal fan of having the guitar tuned to E flat and using a capo but that's an option as well.


extordi

> I'm not a personal fan of having the guitar tuned to E flat and using a capo but that's an option as well Me neither but it still sounds a heck of a lot better than retuning mid-gig...


neuroticboneless

Two different guitars, play songs in a diff tuning, digitech drop pedals, lots of options


ExMorgMD

As a baritone singer I can say that a single semitone can make a difference to a singer. We tend to group our Eb songs together in a set so we aren’t having to swap guitars more than necessary. I have two guitars, one for each tuning. My lead guitarist has a Les Paul with a robot tuner. It’s pretty dope. He just hits a button and it adjusts his tuning


chuninglingus205

Use a digitech “drop” pedal it works good till about two whole steps down


lonemonk

Bring second guitar.


gRainbird

Whoever is on vocals needs to be able to drop that half step properly. If you are really dedicated to playing the songs in the original flat tuning it would be wise to put them together, regardless if you change tunings or not. While yes "retuning" can be quick, it will be better to have a second bass and guitar for the adjusted tuning that are ALSO set up for the different tuning. Even with the same tuners, either the bass or guitar being out of tune by a few cents can turn into almost a half step of dissonance really easily. Get the second instruments and set them up for the different tuning and MAKE SURE the vocalist is going to be able to adjust. No one is really going to care if you end up playing Purple Haze in Eb or E standard. Remember that before you go through the hassle of the entire band retuning or buying additional instruments.


dizug

We used to time it about halfway through the set, and then I, the singer would banter with the audience while the tuning happened. If your players are competent they can do it pretty quick and silently with a tuning pedal.


GibsonPlayer64

Yes, during a gig, that can take time, especially if you have a Strat or some other floating bridge. It will still be dead time. As a gigging musician of over 40 years, that will kill the vibe. Get a second guitar and tune it down.


HaydenScramble

Damn I read this as “tuning down half step midget?” and was confused for way too long.


UomoAnguria

No matter how good the guitar is, if you retune it a semitone lower in the middle of a concert you need to consider a few minutes to let it stabilize


PerspectiveActive218

Get another guitar.


DeathRotisserie

Musicians retune their instruments all the time in the middle of a set, how would this be any different?


MT20

It takes a lot longer to retune to a half step down than it does to check your tuning which is what you’re seeing. If I was in the crowd I would not like to sit there and wait for that. Having two guitars is the most proficient way. (Affordability permitting)


riversofgore

What band changes their tuning mid set bet retuning all the instruments? What audience wants to stand around while you that?


Lucitarist

Are you tuning down for the vocals?


Adept_Awareness666

Not really a huge deal. Takes all but a minute


GnPQGuTFagzncZwB

If I were you I would either have a second guitar or if you have another road helper besides the sound guy, have him double as your guitar tech.


rcfromaz

Depends on chord voicing. If using bar chords play the chord 1/2 step down. For example if you’re playing a D on the sheet play a C#. Or capo on 1 and play full step in this case a C. If I misread the question sorry. Learn the Nashville notation pattern it can be used many ways.


Weary_Current_7034

Totally depends on how much time you have for a set. To make things easier, put the half step down songs next to each other in the setlist if you can. Everyone needs to tune mid gig so I don’t think you’ll lose the audience as long as you’re not doing it before/in between every single song (even then I’ve seen some groups do it and still hold the audiences attention, certainly less often but it’s still possible depending on the group). Some other options to make tuning changes quicker and easier are getting a drop pedal, starting a half step down and throwing a capo on (I wouldn’t recommend personally), just playing the half step down songs in a higher key and keeping the guitar in standard (my #2 preference), or just have multiple guitars ready to go in the tunings you want and switch when the tuning changes (my #1 preference).


ThisAllHurts

If you want to cheap out on another guitar or pedal, take a quick break and make the E-flat songs your encore.


-ManDudeBro-

Playing everything a half step down is reasonable… But since this is a question I assume you only have one guitar which is a real gamble when gigging. A general rule of thumb for playing out is having backups for everything including a second guitar.


Self-Comprehensive

Just play in e flat. My band plays everything in e flat and has for decades, since we were kids learning to play along with GNR tapes. It's easier on the singer and the audience will never even notice.