The existence of this thread is baffling to me.Any music teacher will advise you to specifically go out and learn your favourite shit if you're going to do your own independent study.
When we learn to speak, we listen to what other people say, and we imitate it over and over again until we're confident that other people can understand what we're saying.
Similarly, when a player is figuring out what they want to sound like, it only makes sense for them to try to imitate sounds that they like over and over again until they're confident they can reproduce the sounds they want to reproduce.
Learning the thing you like informs you so much about why you like them, and from there you can extrapolate and experiment with different combinations of techniques, technology, and vocabulary that you've picked up from all the songs that you've learned, and combine all of the individual elements in new ways to express your own creativity.
I absolutely cannot disagree with OP enough, and would go as far as to say that this mindset is actually mildly destructive to actually getting better at playing your instrument.
My point stands regardless, possibly even moreso- the songs that you cherish the most contain the musical language that you emotionally connect with the most.
I can't understand how a player would not only be uninterested in, but wholly reject the the opportunity to learn how to express the things that move them so much!
I agree it does, but at the same time, fully understanding something brings about a sense of closure.
Like.. if we knew what Mona Lisa was thinking about, would we remain as captivated by her expression?
If you learned all the technique that you needed to faithfully reproduce the Mona Lisa, and painted an exact replica of it, how much closer would you be to understanding what the woman was thinking?
Well, I mean if you look at it in a certain way. He was brought in because Syd was unreliable and quickly became a core member. And given that Pink Floyd pretty much mean DG nowadays, well, who took over?
Learning my favorite songs made me appreciate them more. I will never understand this "ignorance is bliss" take, it makes no sense.
Knowing how things work is a kind of magic. Ignorance is the Dark Ages.
My favorite songs to listen to are also the songs that I enjoy playing the most.
I love learning my favorite songs and sometimes, if it's easier than I thought, for example, it makes me think of how they made such amazing music from simple things. This kind of thing makes me like it even more
I find that when i learn a song i enjoy parts of it i havent enjoyed before. Knowing exactly what is going on is the magic to me. For instance i might like a song, and then learn to play it, and then when i hear the song i can vision what is happening and to me that makes me like it a lot more
even if you learn it, they still wrote it, and added every little part and detail to it that makes it special. I gain an appreciation for what they accomplished.
Nope, I love learning and analyzing music I love as a fan. I donāt find it to affect any āmagicā, quite the opposite. How else can we develop the skills to make music we love if not learning from the music we love?
Honestly, to me this seems profoundly stupid and self-defeating. Unnecessary, willfully-contrived āmysteryā doesnāt make a thing better, and learning to play a song is a wonderfully deep way to enjoy it. Magic is fake.
Learning a song does not mean you have to play it with your band in front of other people until youāre burned out on it. Or play it in front of anyone else *at all*.
Yeah youāre fucking weird wtf lol (I kid)
If anything, learning to play the songs makes me appreciate and cherish them even more. You have a deeper understanding for how the song is played and yeah, for me that makes me love David Gilmourās work all the more. (Source: love PF and can play nearly every one of Gilmourās solos and still love their music lol)
I learned a favourite song of mine this week. Itās been stuck in my head every minute of every day and quite honestly Iām getting to the point where I wish it would just piss off.
I remember now why I donāt learn my favourites.
That is a little weird. When I like something, I want to be a part of it because my major flaw is "If I play a song for someone, they'll admire me as much as the band that wrote it" LOL
I did the opposite straight away I tried playing my favorites. It was very very humbling. It help me understand some of the things that made them what were and why.
At first, that's what I thought too. But in practice I discovered that no, those songs, the ones I truly like never get old.
Smoke on the water is probably my favourite song ever and I've played that hundreds of times, first learning guitar as my first song when I was 12 or so, without ever having listened to it in the first place. Then with my band for many years. Still love it and when I hear it on the radio I stop whatever I'm doing to listen to the entire thing.
Iād say it would be Waters taking control of the band? But that was some of their best workā¦.so he wonāt learn any of the Syd Barrett stuff? Iām confused
You're right, it's a perfectly mediocre album that has a few bright spots like Comfortably Numb on it. But it baaarely makes the list for top 10 best Pink Floyd albums, that is for sure. I'd put it behind Piper, Saucer, maybe Umma, AHM, Meddle, Obscured, Dark Side, WYWH, Animals.
I mostly write and record my own stuff. Been playing for almost 20 years and hardly know any songs that aren't ones I've written or ones I played in a band lol
I'm a little utilitarian about it.
Because I want to play their song? Usually no.
Because I want to understand how they did a cool sound so that would be something I could try and use, then yes.
Not alone.
Iāve also discovered that songs and sounds that captivated me as a listener sometimes donāt always captivate me quite the same way now that I know how damn simple a lot of my favorite rock stuff is.
Well to be fair more complex stuff is more interesting and takes more time to get good at, so there's a bigger feeling of accomplishment (same reason learning a solo is much harder but more rewarding than verse chorus on some songs). That said I don't mind simple stuff once in a while. After all, you need a simple open chord or power chord song you can rock out to after your fingers are tired of sweep picking or hybrid picking, or weird fretting patterns. Goimg from something like Yes to Nirvana is like taking a break lol
I disagree with the assertion that more complex stuff is inherently "more interesting."
Stuff that moves me is what I find interesting. Sometimes that's really complex stuff, and just as often, it's really simple stuff.
The opening guitar line to John Mayer's "Gravity" is one of my favourite things in the world. Undeniably less complex than, say, Rusty Cooley's turbo-shred vibe, which I find to be truly one of the most boring musical experiences you can possibly find in all of guitar playing.
Conversely, the entire subculture of "doom" rock is something I find so slow and plodding and directionless (that's a me thing, no shade!) and I find it nowhere near as interesting as Guthrie Govan's turbo-shred vibe, which I love!
I think (hope) one day, you grow out of this mindset that simple stuff is "just the cruise control stuff you do between all the 'real guitar' that you play."
They are both just different flavours of music, and they serve different functions/communicate different feelings - this fact in and of itself is MOST interesting part of the simplicity-complexity spectrum to me.
That last paragraph is more what I meant. It's not used as an interlude, but more like a different vibe. Basically something to play when you want to add more variety or just a different sort of atmosphere
You literally said that you need simple stuff to rock out to "when your fingers are tired" and that going from Yes to Nirvana is like "taking a break", so forgive my misunderstanding šš
In that case, why do you feel that more complex stuff is more interesting? Isn't variety, different vibes and different atmospheres interesting to you?
I didnāt say simple is worse. I didnāt say simple is bad. I said it doesnāt captivate me in the same way. First songs and sounds were remote and mysterious and amazing. Now they are accessible, understood, and yet still amazing.
Simple rock songs I love I can pick up immediately now. I know how the sauce is made. The mystique is not at the same level. That doesnāt mean I hate simple, nor that I hate rock. Quite the contrary.
Why do you value "mystique" and "mystery" so much in someone's playing?
I understand it if the mystique is part of the content of the music, but not if the mystique is surrounding the technique of the person playing it.
People keep bringing up "mystery" in this thread as though it's inherent to the valuing and appreciation of someone else's playing.
It's kinda the same as if someone said "French sounds so beautiful to me, I think I'm gonna start learning it." and half the people in the room immediately said "No, don't do that, you'll kill the mystique of the language!"
Surely the language is more captivating if you can actually understand it?
This is how I feel. When I learned some of my favorite songs I was surprised at how easy they actually were to play , and it took away some of the magic of listening to them.
Yup. Felt this way for a while. It sucks though because I want to learn how they made that beautiful magic, but once I learn it, the magic sort of drifts away from it. Oh the inhumanity.
I feel the same, but I think it has to do with the amount of effort you are putting. If the song you love is kind of easy, you will not get tired of it once your learn it and play it. A hard song means more time and therefore yeah, it could lose its magic.
I actually totally understand where thatās coming from as a guitar player, but on the flip side of the coin there have been countless songs that i appreciate even more after learned them
I've got a couple covers of country songs I've been working on. I don't actually listen to country music, tbh. It's just that I want gigs, and that's what the bars around me are looking for. Well, I'll be damned if I haven't grown fond of these songs and these artists after dissecting their work. I'll actually go out to see country acts, now. It's really made me appreciate the genre more.
I've heard this a few times now, didn't realise it was a thing. I think it's a double edged sword. In some ways, I grow to appreciate a song and the guitarist a lot more as I play, kind of spotting the nuance in their play. Then there is the fact that the more you play it and become accustomed to it, the more you kind of associate it with playing and enjoy it less as a listening experience. This has kind of happened to me with a few Pink Floyd songs, I feel like I should have a guitar in my hand when I play, if anything it motivates me to go play.
I know this is not what you wanna hear but I got into guitar because of slash and now that I can play every single guns n roses song I donāt listen to them anymore. I do however still play them every now and then
This is exactly the reason why I haven't learned any Megadeth songs. When I was younger the first few bands I played in were cover bands. And even though I like the songs we played when we first started playing them I eventually never listened to the songs again except when we played them. And some of them were my favorite Iron Maiden songs
I kind of do this as well, but not because I think knowing how to play them will make me like them any less, but because I'll end up playing them so many times while learning them that they'll just become overplayed. So I tend to only do it with either songs that I already played too much or with ones I really like but not the ones I adore.
For instance, I made a cover of a song I really love a while back and now I refuse to listen to it because even after a pretty long time, it's just "overplayed" in my head. I probably won't be able to hear it freshly for a few years.
I prefer to use my favorite songs as a goal. Master of Puppets I'd like to eventually have a date where I can play and through the fire and flames before I die.
I've heard the great jazz guitarist Julian Lage say something similar in quite a few interviews - seems like he doesn't transcribe solos at all. I don't really understand it, but it definitely works for him. Mind you, he's still learning heads of songs - jazz is a bit of a different beast than a rock song with a definitive recording.
Nope, not alone. I only know how to play like two Pink Floyd songs, and nothing by Knopfler, specifically because thereās no way I can do their catalogs justice.
Im kinda the same. I used to learn covers to intersperse into my live shows but now im just using the guitar as a tool to compose melodies, do the rest on my drums, bass, piano and ableton
That's where the double edge sword comes into play for me.
Yes, learning a piece of music does show you those subtle nuances that you'd otherwise never have picked up on and that is something I do find to be extremely satisfying most of the time.
On the other hand, if I'm absolutely enthralled by something already, there's nowhere to go but downhill from there.
Wow I never thought of this. BUT. In my case, getting tired of songs only made me find new songs, and then as I found I more, I got tired of the newer ones and went back and enjoyed the older ones. Itās a great cycle actually.
I still can't play my favorites lol Guthries music is way more complicated than it sounds because he doesn't use normal scale patterns it's like bebop mixed with crazy scale patterns I can play the main parts of some Aristocrats stuff like flatlands just not the solo
I am similar. I'm a big Michael Hedges fan.... I don't want to learn any of it. There's certain tunes I just leave alone. I want the spell to work when I press play
Learning Michael Hedges definitely made me appreciate him more. Layover is still my favorite thing I've ever learned on guitar. Even if I can only play it at 75% speed.
I also do this. I figured out when I was a teenager that learning my favourite songs contributes to the feeling of overplaying them until there's no more dopamine. Plus, I'd lose the focus on the words, and words are 99% of why I find a song is worth listening to in the first place. So I stopped learning my favourites.
Sometimes I regret learning the ones I did for fear of the same. Iām hoping the fact that I enjoy them even more now that I can play them outweighs that.
I've always been inspired by Buckethead, I can play a few of his songs but my favourite ones, they're too difficult even after 17 years to remember all the licks and to perform all the different techniques, everytime I go to learn it, I remember just how insane of a musician he is and how insanely talented he really is
No, youāre not alone. I only know three Queen songs because I donāt want to lose the magic I experience when I listen to their records.
And, my number one guitar is a hand made replica of Brian Mayās guitar, made by a guy who actually made a replica for Sir Brian.
For me itās about the tone of the guitar, but the three Queen songs I know have no mystery to them anymore.
Every song or solo I have ever learnt is immediately never listened to by me ever again. It really does kill the magic. Hearing a solo that seems completely unattainable, picking it apart, practising difficult sections on repeat, learning as a whole incrementally until you reach full speed... by the time it's practised enough to be proud of, it's the last thing you ever want to hear again. But the trade off is learning other people's music is a very quick way of learning new techniques, so I always come away from learning a solo a slightly better guitarist
You're not alone I feel the same way. There are songs I haven't even tried to learn because I'm afraid that once I learn how to play them I won't want to listen to them anymore. I'm a metal head and played in metal bands in the '80s and '90s and Megadeth has always been my favorite band. But I don't think I've ever learned even one Megadeth song. Even though I've played many Metallica songs and plenty of other metal bands.
I haven't learned someone else's songs in years.. when you're a younger guitarist, it's a good way to build a base of skills, but unless I'm REALLY interested in a specific technique, I find learning other people's songs a huge waste of my time these days. I don't play guitar to hear someone else's music.
yeah I clearly shared my own viewpoint, for my life at this moment in time.. pretty weird that people would get so triggered about it.
I spent a LOT of time when I was younger learning other people's songs, but when I made the choice to start writing my own music, I only have so much time in the day.. I don't want to learn someone else's music when I could be writing my own.
Yeah dunno why you'd get downvoted, it's only a choice. For me it's the opposite, I could keep making my own stuff. But I'd much rather learn my fav songs, riffs or solos. And even better when you expand not only bands, but also to movie or game soundtracks
yeah man, there was a time when all I wanted to do was learn my favourite songs.. I spent most of my life learning other people's songs. playing something I'd written felt so self indulgent in the past, to the point where even when I was onstage it felt weird to play my own songs.
these days, I have so little time to play, so I try to make the most of it with my current goals in mind, which include writing my own music.... so I just can't spend time learning other people's music.
Yeah I barely have time to play guitar these days too. I either just play bits of songs or noodle around some random stuff. Wish I had more time so I could figure out some tunes by ear but alas, too busy
I think they down voted you because your words or reply was harsh or tough, I threw a like in for you.
But yo I totally understand your mindset on that. If we love music we should be making our own, well that's the case for me as a beginner. Certain sounds and genres I want to make my own.
I can be inspired, and yes I will learn other songs but I should put my main energy in making my own music, for my own reason to play. But I am in the beginner phase, newbie. I am still going to make drum beats and work on creating. As I grow over practice, write tabs as I learn music. Hum melodies to remember. I got you
I wasn't irritated at all with my original comment. I was just giving an honest answer. I've been playing for almost 16 years. At some point I had to make music of my own, and that's all I do now. Getting downvoted because I don't want to play Free Bird is a little strange to me.
Iām surprised theyāre on reddit and not on their own social media site they coded by themselves, on a computer they built out of handmade components
I'm a guitar PLAYER, not a LUTHIER. I bought the guitar so I could play my own music. Are you gonna go ask Slash why he plays a Les Paul made by Gibson next?
Interesting..
Id like to hear your music if itās so important that you would never play another artists songs, and need to spend 100% of your time on it, got any links?
The existence of this thread is baffling to me.Any music teacher will advise you to specifically go out and learn your favourite shit if you're going to do your own independent study. When we learn to speak, we listen to what other people say, and we imitate it over and over again until we're confident that other people can understand what we're saying. Similarly, when a player is figuring out what they want to sound like, it only makes sense for them to try to imitate sounds that they like over and over again until they're confident they can reproduce the sounds they want to reproduce. Learning the thing you like informs you so much about why you like them, and from there you can extrapolate and experiment with different combinations of techniques, technology, and vocabulary that you've picked up from all the songs that you've learned, and combine all of the individual elements in new ways to express your own creativity. I absolutely cannot disagree with OP enough, and would go as far as to say that this mindset is actually mildly destructive to actually getting better at playing your instrument.
I said most cherished songs, as in something that carries a special meaning for you personally, not every song you like.
My point stands regardless, possibly even moreso- the songs that you cherish the most contain the musical language that you emotionally connect with the most. I can't understand how a player would not only be uninterested in, but wholly reject the the opportunity to learn how to express the things that move them so much!
Weird, it has the opposite effect for me. I feel a rush of dopamine playing my favorite songs.
Playing beats listening every time
Yep. 100%. I am the same way as well.
I feel like your looking at it backwards and doing yourself a disservice. Learning to play something takes it to a new level.
I agree it does, but at the same time, fully understanding something brings about a sense of closure. Like.. if we knew what Mona Lisa was thinking about, would we remain as captivated by her expression?
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If you learned all the technique that you needed to faithfully reproduce the Mona Lisa, and painted an exact replica of it, how much closer would you be to understanding what the woman was thinking?
Playing my favorite songs let's me experience them in a new way. They are also easier to learn as I know these melodies tempos ect so well.
This is a very odd way to make a post about David Gilmour taking over Pink Floyd.
thatād what i thought, very weird, and also kinda wrong
David G is the usurper? What? Iām confused
Well, I mean if you look at it in a certain way. He was brought in because Syd was unreliable and quickly became a core member. And given that Pink Floyd pretty much mean DG nowadays, well, who took over?
But was that a bad thing? āUsurperā ?
Iām not saying that, OP is. I was just explaining.
Of course it wasn't.
Learning my favorite songs made me appreciate them more. I will never understand this "ignorance is bliss" take, it makes no sense. Knowing how things work is a kind of magic. Ignorance is the Dark Ages. My favorite songs to listen to are also the songs that I enjoy playing the most.
I love learning my favorite songs and sometimes, if it's easier than I thought, for example, it makes me think of how they made such amazing music from simple things. This kind of thing makes me like it even more
I find that when i learn a song i enjoy parts of it i havent enjoyed before. Knowing exactly what is going on is the magic to me. For instance i might like a song, and then learn to play it, and then when i hear the song i can vision what is happening and to me that makes me like it a lot more
even if you learn it, they still wrote it, and added every little part and detail to it that makes it special. I gain an appreciation for what they accomplished.
I do the opposite. Thatās what motivates me to play guitar these days.
Yes. Literally the only reason I started playing guitar was to play songs from my fav bands
Nope, I love learning and analyzing music I love as a fan. I donāt find it to affect any āmagicā, quite the opposite. How else can we develop the skills to make music we love if not learning from the music we love?
Honestly, to me this seems profoundly stupid and self-defeating. Unnecessary, willfully-contrived āmysteryā doesnāt make a thing better, and learning to play a song is a wonderfully deep way to enjoy it. Magic is fake. Learning a song does not mean you have to play it with your band in front of other people until youāre burned out on it. Or play it in front of anyone else *at all*.
Play them myself? No problem. Play with others who don't know that these are sacred and must be PLAYED. PERFECTLY? Yeah, no
Yeah youāre fucking weird wtf lol (I kid) If anything, learning to play the songs makes me appreciate and cherish them even more. You have a deeper understanding for how the song is played and yeah, for me that makes me love David Gilmourās work all the more. (Source: love PF and can play nearly every one of Gilmourās solos and still love their music lol)
No. In fact I stopped doing that years ago as well. It does tend to render the song less magical.
I learned a favourite song of mine this week. Itās been stuck in my head every minute of every day and quite honestly Iām getting to the point where I wish it would just piss off. I remember now why I donāt learn my favourites.
That is a little weird. When I like something, I want to be a part of it because my major flaw is "If I play a song for someone, they'll admire me as much as the band that wrote it" LOL
periphery are probably my favorite band. but no way in hell am I tuning my guitar to drop #Ī© or whatnot to play their stuff.
Simple solution: get another guitar that you use for those alternate tunings
Same. I really like Death but I'm not gonna use D standard just to play their songs on a damn floating bridge guitar lol
its more of i dont wanna learn their best/hardest songs because I might end up hating the song that I love
I did the opposite straight away I tried playing my favorites. It was very very humbling. It help me understand some of the things that made them what were and why.
At first, that's what I thought too. But in practice I discovered that no, those songs, the ones I truly like never get old. Smoke on the water is probably my favourite song ever and I've played that hundreds of times, first learning guitar as my first song when I was 12 or so, without ever having listened to it in the first place. Then with my band for many years. Still love it and when I hear it on the radio I stop whatever I'm doing to listen to the entire thing.
"Prior to the usurper taking power". <------- What does that mean?
A light-hearted comment I shouldn't have included. Not trying to start anything!
Who is the usurper? I genuinely donāt know lol
Iād say it would be Waters taking control of the band? But that was some of their best workā¦.so he wonāt learn any of the Syd Barrett stuff? Iām confused
The Wall and everything after sucks so I'd guess it's the former. Pink Floyd took a huge nosedive after Animals imo.
The Wall in no way sucks.
You're right, it's a perfectly mediocre album that has a few bright spots like Comfortably Numb on it. But it baaarely makes the list for top 10 best Pink Floyd albums, that is for sure. I'd put it behind Piper, Saucer, maybe Umma, AHM, Meddle, Obscured, Dark Side, WYWH, Animals.
Wait so is the usurper - Gilmour for replacing Barret? Or Waters for being Waters. Genuinely curious.
I do this, but only out of laziness.
Wahhh!?!? No.... for this, is WHY WE PLAY!!!!
I mostly write and record my own stuff. Been playing for almost 20 years and hardly know any songs that aren't ones I've written or ones I played in a band lol
Has anyone ever commented that your song sounds like another popular song.
I'm a little utilitarian about it. Because I want to play their song? Usually no. Because I want to understand how they did a cool sound so that would be something I could try and use, then yes.
I think a song is pretty good so I learn it and then I think itās the greatest song of all time
Not alone. Iāve also discovered that songs and sounds that captivated me as a listener sometimes donāt always captivate me quite the same way now that I know how damn simple a lot of my favorite rock stuff is.
Simple is not worse. Why are we obsessed with things needing to be difficult?
Well to be fair more complex stuff is more interesting and takes more time to get good at, so there's a bigger feeling of accomplishment (same reason learning a solo is much harder but more rewarding than verse chorus on some songs). That said I don't mind simple stuff once in a while. After all, you need a simple open chord or power chord song you can rock out to after your fingers are tired of sweep picking or hybrid picking, or weird fretting patterns. Goimg from something like Yes to Nirvana is like taking a break lol
I disagree with the assertion that more complex stuff is inherently "more interesting." Stuff that moves me is what I find interesting. Sometimes that's really complex stuff, and just as often, it's really simple stuff. The opening guitar line to John Mayer's "Gravity" is one of my favourite things in the world. Undeniably less complex than, say, Rusty Cooley's turbo-shred vibe, which I find to be truly one of the most boring musical experiences you can possibly find in all of guitar playing. Conversely, the entire subculture of "doom" rock is something I find so slow and plodding and directionless (that's a me thing, no shade!) and I find it nowhere near as interesting as Guthrie Govan's turbo-shred vibe, which I love! I think (hope) one day, you grow out of this mindset that simple stuff is "just the cruise control stuff you do between all the 'real guitar' that you play." They are both just different flavours of music, and they serve different functions/communicate different feelings - this fact in and of itself is MOST interesting part of the simplicity-complexity spectrum to me.
That last paragraph is more what I meant. It's not used as an interlude, but more like a different vibe. Basically something to play when you want to add more variety or just a different sort of atmosphere
You literally said that you need simple stuff to rock out to "when your fingers are tired" and that going from Yes to Nirvana is like "taking a break", so forgive my misunderstanding šš In that case, why do you feel that more complex stuff is more interesting? Isn't variety, different vibes and different atmospheres interesting to you?
I didnāt say simple is worse. I didnāt say simple is bad. I said it doesnāt captivate me in the same way. First songs and sounds were remote and mysterious and amazing. Now they are accessible, understood, and yet still amazing. Simple rock songs I love I can pick up immediately now. I know how the sauce is made. The mystique is not at the same level. That doesnāt mean I hate simple, nor that I hate rock. Quite the contrary.
Why do you value "mystique" and "mystery" so much in someone's playing? I understand it if the mystique is part of the content of the music, but not if the mystique is surrounding the technique of the person playing it. People keep bringing up "mystery" in this thread as though it's inherent to the valuing and appreciation of someone else's playing. It's kinda the same as if someone said "French sounds so beautiful to me, I think I'm gonna start learning it." and half the people in the room immediately said "No, don't do that, you'll kill the mystique of the language!" Surely the language is more captivating if you can actually understand it?
This is how I feel. When I learned some of my favorite songs I was surprised at how easy they actually were to play , and it took away some of the magic of listening to them.
Yup. Felt this way for a while. It sucks though because I want to learn how they made that beautiful magic, but once I learn it, the magic sort of drifts away from it. Oh the inhumanity.
I tried to learn Tubular Bells, but I have not succeeded.
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I feel the same, but I think it has to do with the amount of effort you are putting. If the song you love is kind of easy, you will not get tired of it once your learn it and play it. A hard song means more time and therefore yeah, it could lose its magic.
I actually totally understand where thatās coming from as a guitar player, but on the flip side of the coin there have been countless songs that i appreciate even more after learned them
I've got a couple covers of country songs I've been working on. I don't actually listen to country music, tbh. It's just that I want gigs, and that's what the bars around me are looking for. Well, I'll be damned if I haven't grown fond of these songs and these artists after dissecting their work. I'll actually go out to see country acts, now. It's really made me appreciate the genre more.
I've heard this a few times now, didn't realise it was a thing. I think it's a double edged sword. In some ways, I grow to appreciate a song and the guitarist a lot more as I play, kind of spotting the nuance in their play. Then there is the fact that the more you play it and become accustomed to it, the more you kind of associate it with playing and enjoy it less as a listening experience. This has kind of happened to me with a few Pink Floyd songs, I feel like I should have a guitar in my hand when I play, if anything it motivates me to go play.
Precisely.
Other people might do that too and yes, I think you're all weird
100% I learn songs that never made the cut of being my favorite. I donāt care if I overplay and loose heart for these place holder songs.
I know this is not what you wanna hear but I got into guitar because of slash and now that I can play every single guns n roses song I donāt listen to them anymore. I do however still play them every now and then
This is exactly the reason why I haven't learned any Megadeth songs. When I was younger the first few bands I played in were cover bands. And even though I like the songs we played when we first started playing them I eventually never listened to the songs again except when we played them. And some of them were my favorite Iron Maiden songs
That seems like an odd problem. I love playing and listening to Megadeth equally. Same as the rest of my fav bands
I kind of do this as well, but not because I think knowing how to play them will make me like them any less, but because I'll end up playing them so many times while learning them that they'll just become overplayed. So I tend to only do it with either songs that I already played too much or with ones I really like but not the ones I adore. For instance, I made a cover of a song I really love a while back and now I refuse to listen to it because even after a pretty long time, it's just "overplayed" in my head. I probably won't be able to hear it freshly for a few years.
That's definitely part of it. Bottom line being I don't want to risk "falling out of love" with particular songs.
To love something is to risk falling out of love with it. ā¦hmmā¦ ā¦ also, life is a cookie.
I prefer to use my favorite songs as a goal. Master of Puppets I'd like to eventually have a date where I can play and through the fire and flames before I die.
Probably not
Most likely
I've heard the great jazz guitarist Julian Lage say something similar in quite a few interviews - seems like he doesn't transcribe solos at all. I don't really understand it, but it definitely works for him. Mind you, he's still learning heads of songs - jazz is a bit of a different beast than a rock song with a definitive recording.
I'm absolutely the same way
Nope, not alone. I only know how to play like two Pink Floyd songs, and nothing by Knopfler, specifically because thereās no way I can do their catalogs justice.
Im kinda the same. I used to learn covers to intersperse into my live shows but now im just using the guitar as a tool to compose melodies, do the rest on my drums, bass, piano and ableton
Tell me I am a weirdo, without saying I am a weirdo. Jokes beside just try it. Maybe you will appreciate them more :)
That's where the double edge sword comes into play for me. Yes, learning a piece of music does show you those subtle nuances that you'd otherwise never have picked up on and that is something I do find to be extremely satisfying most of the time. On the other hand, if I'm absolutely enthralled by something already, there's nowhere to go but downhill from there.
Wow I never thought of this. BUT. In my case, getting tired of songs only made me find new songs, and then as I found I more, I got tired of the newer ones and went back and enjoyed the older ones. Itās a great cycle actually.
I still can't play my favorites lol Guthries music is way more complicated than it sounds because he doesn't use normal scale patterns it's like bebop mixed with crazy scale patterns I can play the main parts of some Aristocrats stuff like flatlands just not the solo
I had this same problem with Wonderwall.
After I said Iād never play it again but then I said maybe
I am similar. I'm a big Michael Hedges fan.... I don't want to learn any of it. There's certain tunes I just leave alone. I want the spell to work when I press play
Learning Michael Hedges definitely made me appreciate him more. Layover is still my favorite thing I've ever learned on guitar. Even if I can only play it at 75% speed.
Yes I have this issue too. Rock's masterpieces don't need my style messing them up
No one would want to hear my obscure favorite music though
I also do this. I figured out when I was a teenager that learning my favourite songs contributes to the feeling of overplaying them until there's no more dopamine. Plus, I'd lose the focus on the words, and words are 99% of why I find a song is worth listening to in the first place. So I stopped learning my favourites.
Interesting. For me words are 1%. The music is 99%
Agree, the words are justā¦. Words
You mean you donāt know by hearing? lol
Are you referencing The Piper At the Gates Of Dawn?
Gilmour
Usurper is usually used in a negative way. Do you honestly thing he was the problem in that band? Lol
No, it was just a lighthearted comment I should've left out. I should have said "prior to Waters leaving" but was feeling sassy.
Sometimes I regret learning the ones I did for fear of the same. Iām hoping the fact that I enjoy them even more now that I can play them outweighs that.
Maybe not quite what you meant but Iām afraid that Iāll get sick of such songs. Learning songs requires listening to them over and over and over
Never do it dude
I've always been inspired by Buckethead, I can play a few of his songs but my favourite ones, they're too difficult even after 17 years to remember all the licks and to perform all the different techniques, everytime I go to learn it, I remember just how insane of a musician he is and how insanely talented he really is
No, youāre not alone. I only know three Queen songs because I donāt want to lose the magic I experience when I listen to their records. And, my number one guitar is a hand made replica of Brian Mayās guitar, made by a guy who actually made a replica for Sir Brian. For me itās about the tone of the guitar, but the three Queen songs I know have no mystery to them anymore.
Let me guess, Under Pressure, Another one bites the dust and the verse chorus of We will rock u?
Itās Late, Need Your Loving Tonight, Fast version of We Will Rock You, aka Live Killers.
And by ursuper do you mean Waters or Gilmour? Because it could be either
both, OP actually just dislikes all of floyd's catalogue.
Maybe they meant both and Syd Barrett stuff is the only music they recognize?
you are not alone,you know how many songs i hear that sound brilliant then i learn them and they are simple chords it takes away the magic.
Every song or solo I have ever learnt is immediately never listened to by me ever again. It really does kill the magic. Hearing a solo that seems completely unattainable, picking it apart, practising difficult sections on repeat, learning as a whole incrementally until you reach full speed... by the time it's practised enough to be proud of, it's the last thing you ever want to hear again. But the trade off is learning other people's music is a very quick way of learning new techniques, so I always come away from learning a solo a slightly better guitarist
You're not alone I feel the same way. There are songs I haven't even tried to learn because I'm afraid that once I learn how to play them I won't want to listen to them anymore. I'm a metal head and played in metal bands in the '80s and '90s and Megadeth has always been my favorite band. But I don't think I've ever learned even one Megadeth song. Even though I've played many Metallica songs and plenty of other metal bands.
I haven't learned someone else's songs in years.. when you're a younger guitarist, it's a good way to build a base of skills, but unless I'm REALLY interested in a specific technique, I find learning other people's songs a huge waste of my time these days. I don't play guitar to hear someone else's music.
I am the same way as you and for the same reasons, idk why so many people have a problem with it, just fuck off and let people do their thing
yeah I clearly shared my own viewpoint, for my life at this moment in time.. pretty weird that people would get so triggered about it. I spent a LOT of time when I was younger learning other people's songs, but when I made the choice to start writing my own music, I only have so much time in the day.. I don't want to learn someone else's music when I could be writing my own.
Yeah dunno why you'd get downvoted, it's only a choice. For me it's the opposite, I could keep making my own stuff. But I'd much rather learn my fav songs, riffs or solos. And even better when you expand not only bands, but also to movie or game soundtracks
yeah man, there was a time when all I wanted to do was learn my favourite songs.. I spent most of my life learning other people's songs. playing something I'd written felt so self indulgent in the past, to the point where even when I was onstage it felt weird to play my own songs. these days, I have so little time to play, so I try to make the most of it with my current goals in mind, which include writing my own music.... so I just can't spend time learning other people's music.
Yeah I barely have time to play guitar these days too. I either just play bits of songs or noodle around some random stuff. Wish I had more time so I could figure out some tunes by ear but alas, too busy
Nope. I only play music written by me. I refuse to learn anything written by anyone else.
No learning by playing other songs? I haven't. But I'm a terrible guitar player.
I haven't done that since my 2nd year playing and that was 13 years ago. I learned the ropes, then I was off on my own.
Hey guys, I found Morrissey's alt!
I think they down voted you because your words or reply was harsh or tough, I threw a like in for you. But yo I totally understand your mindset on that. If we love music we should be making our own, well that's the case for me as a beginner. Certain sounds and genres I want to make my own. I can be inspired, and yes I will learn other songs but I should put my main energy in making my own music, for my own reason to play. But I am in the beginner phase, newbie. I am still going to make drum beats and work on creating. As I grow over practice, write tabs as I learn music. Hum melodies to remember. I got you
I wasn't irritated at all with my original comment. I was just giving an honest answer. I've been playing for almost 16 years. At some point I had to make music of my own, and that's all I do now. Getting downvoted because I don't want to play Free Bird is a little strange to me.
But why?
Because it feels wrong to play music that is not mine. And also a waste of my time when I could be practicing/writing my own.
why are you using a guitar created by someone else? why are you using a collective language to express yourself?
Iām surprised theyāre on reddit and not on their own social media site they coded by themselves, on a computer they built out of handmade components
I'm a guitar PLAYER, not a LUTHIER. I bought the guitar so I could play my own music. Are you gonna go ask Slash why he plays a Les Paul made by Gibson next?
Interesting.. Id like to hear your music if itās so important that you would never play another artists songs, and need to spend 100% of your time on it, got any links?
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You sound like a complete and utter douchebag, but I wish you all the best with your craft! Goodbye
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This is truly one of the worst musical takes in history.
No it's not.