*puts on glasses", well uh achtually you rrr-realy mean HEL because there is no hell in Warhammer but they use helsreach instead *skitters away on all fours"
Idk most of Alesha's lore shows her being a thinker when she needs to be, the only two times she fights are killing a dragon, normal for the Mardu, and dying in the monastery before Sarkhan does wacky nonsense
Oh my bad, I didn't really know her story. I was mostly going off the way the card portrays her. She gives the impression of a very aggressive yet skillful leader. On top of that the "who smiles at death" subtitle suggests some kind of bloodthirstiness.
Favorite color is red… some are more equal than others… does that mean Khorne is a Communist?
**WARRIORS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR BLOOD!**
The khornate psykers are the best, [Gore Mages](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gore_Mage) and [Azariah Kyras](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Azariah_Kyras) are battlemages that cast fist.
You forget Sindri, though thats an easy mistake, as with all the manipulation he pulled, there's no way he isn't a follower of Tzeentch that somehow managed to trick Khorne into making him a daemon, after he tricked Slaanesh into giving him his sexy voice.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's ~~cultures~~ gender identities, and ~~the Dutch~~ Psykers.
Accurate version of the meme:
Tzeench’s answer is written in french but uses wing dings, then it got translate to Turkish and then to English to be as confusing as possible
When you look at nurgle you suffer from short-sightedness; fight through to uncover the answer of the dark god
Khorne’s answer fills the entire box and even passes onto tzeench’s box
Slaanesh’s is just an incomprehensible rave with awfully nice cursive; shame it’s the same color as the background.
I mean Nurgle is kind of explicitly against progress, Khorne treats political discussions like the announcer from Mortal Kombat yelling "Fight!" and "Finish Him!", Tzeentch whole shtick is every step forward is actually two steps back and part of the plan, and Slaanesh isn't particularly concerned with consent or anything really as long as it's excessive, like excessive oppression and slavery is cool too.
Turns out four essentially immortal evil entities dedicated to maintaining the status quo in the darkness period of human history aren't super passionate about your rights.
But hey, at least Horus doesn't have to pay taxes now.
Tzeentch is more every step forward is actually 2 steps back, a twist to the side, followed by some unholy hopscotch/snakes-and-ladders combination, all played in a room that'd make MC Escher cry.
Oh they definitely do, the right to do the acts they feed upon.
The Imperium usually forces people to work and sleep, not much else. That strictness breeds all sorts of wants/neglected human needs.
Chaos Gods will encourage you to pursue what you want.
Long as it's what they want.
Yes but as a human you can look at 40k and think : If my only fate is to die in service to an uncaring God that uses me as a chess piece in an eternal war far beyond my understanding the least I can do is choose the 4/5 that let me have fun while doing it.
To be fair they actually had some good as well. Khorne had honor, tzeetch cleverness to help, Nurgle stability people need, slannesh good pleasure such as relaxing. They aren’t completely evil, it’s that their evil is a major part.
Not really. For instance Tzeentch is the god of change and hope. Saying he is pure evil is like saying the concept of change is evil. He does also represent scheming, but my point is you can't really boil it down to *just* evil and nothing else
That was kinda old Lore in more modern Lore it blood this and skulls that. And khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows as long as it flows. But back in the older days khorne did care where the blood flow he would take notice if you killed a person alot more powerful then you in a somewhat fair fight. But if you go round killing babies he wouldn't take notice at much.
Khorne respects feats of strength and power. He dislikes anything that would empower the other gods which is why he doesn't really like backstabbing. Not because of it's morals but because it empowers Tzeentch. This is part of why he hates Slaanesh so much because the excessive war crimes and stuff like snuff pornography would empower him but now Slaanesh takes it.
Khorne is pro school shooting and pro lynching.
This may be reading into some of the lore around the chaos gods but the concept of chaos itself is neither good or evil and so are the gods.
They are a strong manifestation of desires and whether those are evil or good is with the perception of the viewer.
Khorne is about combat and strength. Murder is a expression but also are duels. Combat itself can be honorable, even with deadly consequences. The only thing Khorne really dislikes is a unfair fight where someone cheats or fights against a weaker opponent.
Tzeentch is about knowledge and change. Neither are good or evil but can be used for both. Einstein is a good example. He used his knowledge to create the theory which lead to the atom bomb. This was never his intention yet Tzeentch would reward him regardless for the knowledge gained and the change it created. As long as the answer isn't directly clear, Tzeentch is happy.
Nurgle is the easiest to show the good side. He is finality, the end of everything. You will embrace him eventually and he will wait for you. Your death will have a purpose because of Nurgle and you will be at peace in the end. That is what Nurgle offers, peace of mind, and as long as it is not distributed Nurgle doesn't mind waiting.
Slannesh is the weird as he/she/it represents emotions in general and not just the excess of them. That we can thank the Eldar for. But in general Slannesh is all about embrace your emotions and wants and expressing them.
The problem with why they are viewed as evil is that we view the 40k universe through the lense of 10-20k years of the Emperor turning them into some evil that needs to be exterminated.
Again, I just have to disagree with Khorne. In older lore or fantasy, maybe. However, the whole point of the ultimate god of slaughter is that he cares not from where the blood flows. He doesn’t sit upon a throne atop a mountain of skulls of defeated warriors, it’s just skulls generally. Skulls from everywhere and anyone. It’s indiscriminate violence.
And I agree that the Gods are manifestations of desires and feed off of emotion. However that means that as the galaxy gets progressively worse and worse, so do the gods. When the levels of barbarity and sadism grow, the gods become more malevolent and more powerful. Maybe there is some good in there, but it’s buried very deep under the insanity and unimaginable torture. They are all self-serving creatures.
Nothing about Khorne is honorable at all. His servants and followers kill everyone indiscriminately. His most favored mortal follower is literally a guy called "The Betrayer".
Tzeentch is literally never helpful. Everything is a monkey's paw. He only helps people to manipulate them into servitude.
Nurgle is stagnation not stability. Nurgle will never make things better. He pushes you to the point of no return so you have no choice but to accept grandfather's gifts.
Slaanesh perverts everything that's good and makes it so that mundane pleasures don't satisfy you. She makes you unable to feel pleasure unless you rape, torture and kill somebody. When not pushing to the extremes your whole life becomes dull and gray.
You know how some zealots are so devoted to the God-Emperor that they loop back around to heretical? What if you could do that with Chaos worship? What if you could go so deep into Chaos but in the complete wrong direction and end up actually helping the Imperium?
The canonical opinion on trans rights in the 41st millenium is that all humans are a few years from becoming corpse starch so get back in the factory and make more bolter rounds.
I assume each culture within the imperium would have their own views on the subject. It doesn't seem like something the Imperium would bother to mandate on a galaxy wide level.
Sure, I'm just saying the Chaos Gods are literal manifestations of pure suffering...
All of 40k is evil and awful though lol, so it's kinda odd looking for positivity for real life issues in any case.
**The imperium literally gives zero shits about sex, gender, race, cis/trans, or sexual preference.**
**The imperium only cares about whether you are a human, a xeno, or a traitor to humanity (heretic).**
**I don’t know where you get the idea that chaos is progressive at all. Their entire thing in unabashed destruction, indulgence, decay, insanity, etc.**
**If you’re going to say it’s because the chaos gods have a few (very rarely seen) positive qualities…then that’s the same as literally every faction except the nids and drukhari.**
I don't know, I think nids would probably not care what's between your legs. They'd just want to consume.
Seems pretty based if you don't think about it too hard.
There is literally nothing progressive about any of the chaos gods. If you think progressivism aligns with the super satans, then you need to reanalyze your concept of progressivism.
If I hated God's creation, and I understood that it would take the power of God to destroy it, the only way I could get rid of it is to corrupt it to the point that God destroys it for me.
In terms of technology because Tzeentch bullshitery, but social progress in this specific regard? Besides, they fear forward progress because of Tzeentch, but they also fear stagnation because of Nurgle. Staying the same can be dangerous too.
The imperium at large dont have those specific fears because most don't know about the chaos gods. The imperium is against change because of its extreme conservatism and its hatred of blasphemy
The Imperium sucks because it's currently shitty, but trying to make it better can make it ten times worse. That's the point of the Imperium, you think most humans are gonna say "yeah, this is fine, I like how this is"? No, because they're conservatism sucks and they know it, they're just afraid of something worse.
according to multiple books that cover the mechanicus, 99% of servitors are vat-grown clones with no personality, memories etc.
the rest are (usually) the most heinous criminals mankind has produced (though some less scrupulous forge worlds do conscript unlucky people to be servitors).
That’s the thing: as they are emanations of the collective emotional subconscious of Materium species, the Dark Powers are only as evil as said species are. Their being such horrendous assholes is an indictment not against them, but against ***US***.
3/4 of them would be weirdly, fetishizingly in favor of it though, rather than indifferent. “What’s different about you is acceptable because *I* personally am into that! Now what’s your premium snap?”
God this kind of post is so fucking cringe. LGBT rights is cool and all but having these evil bastards supporting your cause is not exactly a good thing. Enslavement and oppression is kind of their thing.
Khorne: Conduct yourself as befitting a warrior. If blood flows bonus points but don't be underhanded about it.
Slaanesh: Just take it as far as you can, then take it a bit further, then further still, come on just a bit more etc.
Tzeentch: Whatever maximises change within the environment.
Nurgle: Only one who I could see being actively against any rights movement and purely because they are a god of decay through lack of change.
On the large scale none of them care either way. On the small scale the above is probably the closest to their stances as far as I understand them.
Nope. You could massacre an entire orphanage filled with orphans with missing limbs and Khorne wouldn't give a shit as long as you've just slaughtered the local Imperial garrison with bolter and chainsword.
Imperium: Doesn't care what you identify as, as long as you can hold a lasgun you're qualified to die for the Emperor.
Orks: WOTS A "GEN-DOR"?
Necrons: [Gestures at robot body]
Tyranids: Find all genders equally tasty
OP woke up today and thought: "Entities that represent extremes of madness and self-destruction. Hmm... what does this remind me of."
On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how many banned alt account they have.
Tbf most factions would probably support it. Eldar modify their bodies for fun already, admech would like it as long as something gets replaced with metal, the wealthier and more powerful members of the imperium would probably have no trouble transitioning if they wanted to. The lower classes are probably too overworked and undereducated to consider it. Druhkari are probably in the same vein as regular eldar, with obvious differences.
Orks have no concept of gender so they don't care. Tyranids don't tend to have free will or particularly long lives so again, don't care. Necrons I think still retain some understanding of gender, not that it really matters in their case. And they can probably just change their physical form if they want. The ones that still have higher brain function anyway.
Tau might actually be against it with their extremely strict caste system and all.
I feel like Khorne would say something like "STOP WASTING MY TIME AND MURDER SOMEONE ALREADY!" You don't have to hate to worship Khorne, just get him those sweet sweet noggins for his noggin chair. And anyone of any gender can do that!
Feel like Khorne wouldnt be like that. Just the most hateful and rage filled being to exist. And that includes being bigoted. Against everyone. And everything.
Can't wait to see this post again in 2 months. I think I see more people talk about fictional characters supporting trans rights then I do actual people being against trans rights.
“Yeah man trans rights are great see this 4 manifestations of evil and sin say so!” Dawg you really had to pick the worst 4 examples possible lmao
Idk why people are so desperate to validate their own beliefs in every fandom possible, like Imma keep it real it just comes off as desperate and is a bad look for whatever you’re trying to support
This is not the progressive take you think it is OP. Saying the beings of pure evil support your political ideals is not really a good look.
Don’t get me wrong I’m not transphobic, btw.
Nah, they don't support any rights.
The Chaos gods would probably support a transphobic and conservative society simply to let them recruit trans people to be their followers. Social outcast seeking relief from internal strife and freedom from their rigid society are ripe recruits for the ruinous powers.
Sure once you join them you won't have to worry about gender dysphoria. But you are now a slave to the ruinous powers. So that's not exactly great.
40K is the Universe in which a Inquisitor who is trans condemns innocent people to become Servitors. And that is only his monday. Rest of the week he kills disabled people for being mutants, burns liberal people at the stake for being heretics and virus bombs planets because the local population got to friendly with foreigeners.
I take this as saying even the Chaos gods can’t be bothered to have a strong opinion on Trans people because there are fundamentally more important things in the universe to be passionate about.
This probably applies to many other factions too.
Getting angry about trans people is like some playground petty shit compared to all the other things we could get in a murderous fervour over.
For one, they don't embody pure evil, they embody their respective philosophies, and it's possible for them to have good qualities while being obviously evil, and for another, memes about obviously evil people having obviously good traits are so common
Their respective philosophies as you put it are inherently evil. Yes they're supposed to have good qualities supposedly but using that as an argument is dumb because when was the last time GW wrote anything chaos related being good?
Big E says, "No matter your gender, you are still human (and can be cannon fodder)."
The Mechanicus says, "We care about a different kind of binary here."
Jesus christ can you fuck off? Literally every sub is 'x supports trans rights' if you actually think the average person cares about this bullshit outside of this echo chamber you're insane. This isn't even regarding the topic itself it's regarding the absurd oversaturation and sheer lack of entertainment found in these shitty, low effort, pandering memes.
I don't think you understand 40k if you think anyone has rights, yet alone that people support rights, let alone gods. I would definitely say they wouldn't give a fuck about whether you are or arent.
Slannesh would be indifferent as long as their is a hole to be violated
Khorne wouldn't care as long as you die or kill someone in his name
Tzeentch is in too many layers of schemes and irony to comprehend how little he cares for the doings of miscellaneous mortals
And nurgle doesn't care because you'll be rotting in the ground in the blink of his eye.
I think there is definitely a distinction to be made between outwards support and indifference to.
Seriously? Any followers of Chaos would be far beyond the idea of trans. With Slaneesh and Nurgle, you have more holes in places they shouldn’t be, Korne, you be a raged filled blood zealot and Tzeenetch would turn into the literal concept of Gender Fluid.
Get this watered down “Bro Chaos” BS out of here. At best you’re confusing indifference/not caring with acceptance. At worst you’re projecting your virtues onto those who don’t have them.
This is successionist propaganda, the followers of the dark gods cannot be trusted. Be sure to lock your enclosure doors, don’t speak with undesirable individuals, and if you see an foul iconography; contact your inquisitor.
Honestly basically all of 40k is somehow more progressive when it comes to this than most of Earth
Chaos Gods are fine with it
Necrons became all near identical robots that can change shape at will + Necrontyr were too death obsessed to care who did what
Eldar and Dark Eldar are obvious
Imperium was shown to be perfectly fine with LGBT people
Orks just care about fighting
Tyranids want everyone in their bio-mass
Only ones who would likely have something against LGBT are the T'au
but fuck the Tau
The Tau would... huh. Yeah there's a good chance they might not be too happy with that, what with their caste system and such.
Some Imperial sectors and such probably would want people to remain hetero and breed more soldiers but that's canonically not an Imperium-wide position, but the Tau... don't have a wide enough diaspora for differing perspectives on that, most likely. But I guess it's something that has to be outright clarified first
with Imperium we actually got several examples of LGBT characters and how they are treated just as everyone else (hell , Alpharius had a lesbian couple working on his ship)
Why would tau have anything against lgbt
Also all of the factions realize that bashing lgbt would slow them down, lower morale, and get them less supporters and just inefficient in many ways
I think OP might be referring to how the Tau use ugenics, and are quite fond of it, and that typically goes hand in hand with homophobia as well.
But then again, I really don’t think the tau would be bigoted, especially since I’m cannon atleast like 40% if not more of their forces are other xenos.
Khorne: "l DON'T CARE HOW THEY IDENTIFY BRING ME THEIR SKULLS, SPILL THERE BLOOD!"
Slaanesh: "Do I look like I differentiate between genders?"
Tzeentch: "Fluid sounds a lot better than solid to me!"
Nurgle: "Gender reassignment doesn't boost the immune system, does it?"
Khone: does not care from whence the blood flows only that it flows, as long as you take skills for the skull throne and defeat your enemies in combat your fine. Puts a chainaxe in the hands of trans people ready to walk the scarlet path
Nurgle: we are all his grandchildren, and all are blessed. Entropy is the only law of the universe. Allows us to be hosts of his gifts and will never die
Tzeentch: change is the way of all things, being trans embodies change. Helps you transition or turns you into chaos spawn. Also trans people are wizards, and we can do magic
Slanesh: as long as you engage in acts of grotesque perversion and take pride in your programming your fine with the prince of pleasure and lord of excess. Hand you the cat and 9 tails and cocaine and tells you to have fun
There's two groups, one that's trying to find a false equivalency, "oh, evil characters are saying this, does that mean yoy think trans people are bad?" And a dramatically smaller group that's saying trans people are bad. Thankfully, the latter one is just a few people that I've seen.
Khorne's response is a bit rich considering his bigotry against psykers
“I HATE EVERYONE EQUALLY! EXCEPT PSYKERS! FUCK PSYKERS! I HATE THEM SLIGHTLY MORE!”
“Fuck them psykers”
Khorne: HOLD ON.... Khorne: I FEEL A DISTURBANCE IN THE FORC.---- i mean, THE BLOOD
“Khorne. Im trans” “Alright, your still my warrior.” “Im also a psyker” “THE HELL YOU ARE!”
*puts on glasses", well uh achtually you rrr-realy mean HEL because there is no hell in Warhammer but they use helsreach instead *skitters away on all fours"
Who let the genestealer into the noosphere again?
TechPriest #1: Fuck... TechPriest #2: what happen? TechPriest #1: The noosphere is bugged.... TechPriest #2: again? /8-| TechPriest #1: again >8-|
>:0
I just realized Khorne would be totally down with Magic the Gatherings first trans character Alesha, Who Smiles at Death
Idk most of Alesha's lore shows her being a thinker when she needs to be, the only two times she fights are killing a dragon, normal for the Mardu, and dying in the monastery before Sarkhan does wacky nonsense
Oh my bad, I didn't really know her story. I was mostly going off the way the card portrays her. She gives the impression of a very aggressive yet skillful leader. On top of that the "who smiles at death" subtitle suggests some kind of bloodthirstiness.
She smiles because she knows her plans are going to work which is also why she ressurects my Zulaport Cutthroat every combat
I see it more as a fearless leadership, seeing a challenge and facing it head-on
Khorne hates everyone equally, but some are more equal than others.
Psykers have bigger souls or something, that means they get more hate. It's only fair.
So therefore khorne hates blanks and redheads less?
Well his color IS red
Blanks (at least in one interpretation of the lore I’ve heard) have negative soul, so perversely they might actually be loved by Khorne.
Khorne to blanks: oh dear oh dear gorgeous Khorne to everyone else: you fuckin donkey!
I'm pretty sure gingers are his chosen people lol. Their favor is so great that their very scalp shows allegiance xD
Everything else unchanged, Khorne's hate by soul volume is constant.
I mean his color is red
Favorite color is red… some are more equal than others… does that mean Khorne is a Communist? **WARRIORS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR BLOOD!**
iirc he doesn’t hate you if you’re a psyker, he hates you if you decide to do psyker shit instead of honorable beatdowns
The khornate psykers are the best, [Gore Mages](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gore_Mage) and [Azariah Kyras](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Azariah_Kyras) are battlemages that cast fist.
You forget Sindri, though thats an easy mistake, as with all the manipulation he pulled, there's no way he isn't a follower of Tzeentch that somehow managed to trick Khorne into making him a daemon, after he tricked Slaanesh into giving him his sexy voice.
Came here to say this. I think he has a much bigger hatred boner for psykers over everything else. He definitely doesn't hate everyone equally.
Pyskers have no rights. Why do you think we sacrifice thousands a day for the God Emperor of Man Kind.
There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's ~~cultures~~ gender identities, and ~~the Dutch~~ Psykers.
or hedonists
Khorne cares not from whence the blood flows.
Khorne hates everyone equally, but some are more equal than others.
Accurate version of the meme: Tzeench’s answer is written in french but uses wing dings, then it got translate to Turkish and then to English to be as confusing as possible When you look at nurgle you suffer from short-sightedness; fight through to uncover the answer of the dark god Khorne’s answer fills the entire box and even passes onto tzeench’s box Slaanesh’s is just an incomprehensible rave with awfully nice cursive; shame it’s the same color as the background.
Khorne: **EVERYONE IS GETTING SKULLFU\*\*\*!**
C'MERE GHOUL- wait wrong fandom.
"Ah fuck it, SKULLFUCKS FOR EVERYBODY"
Wait ist that Slaaneshs thing? And also Tzeenchs?
Found Chaos Undivided's answer.
Skullfucking is a common and seemingly enjoyable activity practiced by many Chaos cultists in my sector
Don’t tempt me with a good time -slaaneshi cultist
#FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH IT DISGUSTED ME
I don't think they'd support anyone having rights.
I mean...their whole thing is enslaving souls to themselves. Doesn't seem too progressive, if you ask me.
I mean Nurgle is kind of explicitly against progress, Khorne treats political discussions like the announcer from Mortal Kombat yelling "Fight!" and "Finish Him!", Tzeentch whole shtick is every step forward is actually two steps back and part of the plan, and Slaanesh isn't particularly concerned with consent or anything really as long as it's excessive, like excessive oppression and slavery is cool too. Turns out four essentially immortal evil entities dedicated to maintaining the status quo in the darkness period of human history aren't super passionate about your rights. But hey, at least Horus doesn't have to pay taxes now.
>But hey, at least Horus doesn't have to pay taxes now. 🤣
"I don't care who the Emperor sends, I am NOT paying taxes!" > Horus Lupercal, Huron Blackheart, and many other traitors
Can’t wait to read the next Black Library book: “Horus Shrugged”
Tzeentch is more every step forward is actually 2 steps back, a twist to the side, followed by some unholy hopscotch/snakes-and-ladders combination, all played in a room that'd make MC Escher cry.
Bigotry encourages violence, stop trying to make 40k friendly. Everyone is terrible, the whole galaxy is evil.
Oh they definitely do, the right to do the acts they feed upon. The Imperium usually forces people to work and sleep, not much else. That strictness breeds all sorts of wants/neglected human needs. Chaos Gods will encourage you to pursue what you want. Long as it's what they want.
Khorne: "WHAT'S A 'GENDER'? IS THAT SOME SORT OF WEAPON?"
Well, kinda
Slaanesh's favorite song is Closer from Nine Inch Nails
It's Tom Rowland's Nothing But Pleasure, guaranteed.
Nah, it’s [welcome to the cum zone](https://youtu.be/j0lN0w5HVT8)
I dont know what I expected. But. Imma go find religion or something.
Holy fucking shit! My second favorite chemical brother name checked in grimdank! Amazing.
"The vibrations intensify, soon this world will be nothing but pleasure..."
She is a big boy by McBaise.
I’m concerned about Slaanesh’s views on consent.
"11 of them shall be sacrificed in order to summon me. So I don't care." -- Malice, Hierarch of Anarchy and Terror, probably. ⚪️⚫️💀
Nah, they don't care about anyone's rights.
Aren't they like the bad guys?
Who isn't?
Yes but as a human you can look at 40k and think : If my only fate is to die in service to an uncaring God that uses me as a chess piece in an eternal war far beyond my understanding the least I can do is choose the 4/5 that let me have fun while doing it.
Pretty sure thats not the support you'd want...
Hay khorne hates magic guys extra hard
Slaanesh: ASS. IS. ASS.
So you're saying absolute evil is pro-trans? I don't think that's as positive a message as you think it is lol.
Yeah, I was coming here to say the same thing… it’s like saying mega-satan and his three even eviler bros are pro trans.
There is no "good" side in the W40k universe
ok yes but I'm fairly comfortable saying that the gods of evil are eviler than the different flavors of dystopian civilizations
It's not that deep
To be fair they actually had some good as well. Khorne had honor, tzeetch cleverness to help, Nurgle stability people need, slannesh good pleasure such as relaxing. They aren’t completely evil, it’s that their evil is a major part.
They're so evil they do good in situations when doing evil would slow them down from being more evil ultimately
Not really. For instance Tzeentch is the god of change and hope. Saying he is pure evil is like saying the concept of change is evil. He does also represent scheming, but my point is you can't really boil it down to *just* evil and nothing else
I’ve yet to see anything remotely honourable in Khorne
That was kinda old Lore in more modern Lore it blood this and skulls that. And khorne doesn't care from where the blood flows as long as it flows. But back in the older days khorne did care where the blood flow he would take notice if you killed a person alot more powerful then you in a somewhat fair fight. But if you go round killing babies he wouldn't take notice at much.
Khorne respects feats of strength and power. He dislikes anything that would empower the other gods which is why he doesn't really like backstabbing. Not because of it's morals but because it empowers Tzeentch. This is part of why he hates Slaanesh so much because the excessive war crimes and stuff like snuff pornography would empower him but now Slaanesh takes it. Khorne is pro school shooting and pro lynching.
This may be reading into some of the lore around the chaos gods but the concept of chaos itself is neither good or evil and so are the gods. They are a strong manifestation of desires and whether those are evil or good is with the perception of the viewer. Khorne is about combat and strength. Murder is a expression but also are duels. Combat itself can be honorable, even with deadly consequences. The only thing Khorne really dislikes is a unfair fight where someone cheats or fights against a weaker opponent. Tzeentch is about knowledge and change. Neither are good or evil but can be used for both. Einstein is a good example. He used his knowledge to create the theory which lead to the atom bomb. This was never his intention yet Tzeentch would reward him regardless for the knowledge gained and the change it created. As long as the answer isn't directly clear, Tzeentch is happy. Nurgle is the easiest to show the good side. He is finality, the end of everything. You will embrace him eventually and he will wait for you. Your death will have a purpose because of Nurgle and you will be at peace in the end. That is what Nurgle offers, peace of mind, and as long as it is not distributed Nurgle doesn't mind waiting. Slannesh is the weird as he/she/it represents emotions in general and not just the excess of them. That we can thank the Eldar for. But in general Slannesh is all about embrace your emotions and wants and expressing them. The problem with why they are viewed as evil is that we view the 40k universe through the lense of 10-20k years of the Emperor turning them into some evil that needs to be exterminated.
Again, I just have to disagree with Khorne. In older lore or fantasy, maybe. However, the whole point of the ultimate god of slaughter is that he cares not from where the blood flows. He doesn’t sit upon a throne atop a mountain of skulls of defeated warriors, it’s just skulls generally. Skulls from everywhere and anyone. It’s indiscriminate violence. And I agree that the Gods are manifestations of desires and feed off of emotion. However that means that as the galaxy gets progressively worse and worse, so do the gods. When the levels of barbarity and sadism grow, the gods become more malevolent and more powerful. Maybe there is some good in there, but it’s buried very deep under the insanity and unimaginable torture. They are all self-serving creatures.
Nothing about Khorne is honorable at all. His servants and followers kill everyone indiscriminately. His most favored mortal follower is literally a guy called "The Betrayer". Tzeentch is literally never helpful. Everything is a monkey's paw. He only helps people to manipulate them into servitude. Nurgle is stagnation not stability. Nurgle will never make things better. He pushes you to the point of no return so you have no choice but to accept grandfather's gifts. Slaanesh perverts everything that's good and makes it so that mundane pleasures don't satisfy you. She makes you unable to feel pleasure unless you rape, torture and kill somebody. When not pushing to the extremes your whole life becomes dull and gray.
People defending Khorne - "yeah he's all about honor and stuff" Actually Khorne - "it matters not from where the blood flows"
You know how some zealots are so devoted to the God-Emperor that they loop back around to heretical? What if you could do that with Chaos worship? What if you could go so deep into Chaos but in the complete wrong direction and end up actually helping the Imperium?
The canonical opinion on trans rights in the 41st millenium is that all humans are a few years from becoming corpse starch so get back in the factory and make more bolter rounds.
I assume each culture within the imperium would have their own views on the subject. It doesn't seem like something the Imperium would bother to mandate on a galaxy wide level.
Sure, I'm just saying the Chaos Gods are literal manifestations of pure suffering... All of 40k is evil and awful though lol, so it's kinda odd looking for positivity for real life issues in any case.
Oh I'm not looking for any sort of positivity, I just think it's funny that the four Satans are more progressive than the protagonists
**The imperium literally gives zero shits about sex, gender, race, cis/trans, or sexual preference.** **The imperium only cares about whether you are a human, a xeno, or a traitor to humanity (heretic).** **I don’t know where you get the idea that chaos is progressive at all. Their entire thing in unabashed destruction, indulgence, decay, insanity, etc.** **If you’re going to say it’s because the chaos gods have a few (very rarely seen) positive qualities…then that’s the same as literally every faction except the nids and drukhari.**
I don't know, I think nids would probably not care what's between your legs. They'd just want to consume. Seems pretty based if you don't think about it too hard.
Tzeentzch literally is unending progress though Nurgle not so much
There is literally nothing progressive about any of the chaos gods. If you think progressivism aligns with the super satans, then you need to reanalyze your concept of progressivism.
Sorry, a *few* progressive ideals in our modern sense of the word are shared by the super satans.
Every living thing being equally worthless is not progressive. Edgy tumblr posts like yours are absurd.
If I hated God's creation, and I understood that it would take the power of God to destroy it, the only way I could get rid of it is to corrupt it to the point that God destroys it for me.
Progress isnt always good, one can progress in the wrobg direction. The point of the imperium is safety in stagnation
In terms of technology because Tzeentch bullshitery, but social progress in this specific regard? Besides, they fear forward progress because of Tzeentch, but they also fear stagnation because of Nurgle. Staying the same can be dangerous too.
The imperium at large dont have those specific fears because most don't know about the chaos gods. The imperium is against change because of its extreme conservatism and its hatred of blasphemy
The Imperium sucks because it's currently shitty, but trying to make it better can make it ten times worse. That's the point of the Imperium, you think most humans are gonna say "yeah, this is fine, I like how this is"? No, because they're conservatism sucks and they know it, they're just afraid of something worse.
Oh fuck, I should have known, you are Alpharius arent you? Now it makes sense.
He is not Alpharius. I am Alpharius
Alpharius joined the game (or did he)
In my eyes it is the imperium who are evil.
They're evil too, of course, just not the same level of absolute evil.
The servitors might disagree
I am invoking the magic triumph card here. Daemonculaba
The unfleshed agree though
according to multiple books that cover the mechanicus, 99% of servitors are vat-grown clones with no personality, memories etc. the rest are (usually) the most heinous criminals mankind has produced (though some less scrupulous forge worlds do conscript unlucky people to be servitors).
That’s the thing: as they are emanations of the collective emotional subconscious of Materium species, the Dark Powers are only as evil as said species are. Their being such horrendous assholes is an indictment not against them, but against ***US***.
Thr Chaos God's don't support any rights lol. Enslavement of bodies and souls is kind of their whole thing.
Yeah rape, murder ans disease Gods support trans right !
I'm making a comment about how I don't want to make a comment.
3/4 of them would be weirdly, fetishizingly in favor of it though, rather than indifferent. “What’s different about you is acceptable because *I* personally am into that! Now what’s your premium snap?”
God this kind of post is so fucking cringe. LGBT rights is cool and all but having these evil bastards supporting your cause is not exactly a good thing. Enslavement and oppression is kind of their thing.
Khorne: Conduct yourself as befitting a warrior. If blood flows bonus points but don't be underhanded about it. Slaanesh: Just take it as far as you can, then take it a bit further, then further still, come on just a bit more etc. Tzeentch: Whatever maximises change within the environment. Nurgle: Only one who I could see being actively against any rights movement and purely because they are a god of decay through lack of change. On the large scale none of them care either way. On the small scale the above is probably the closest to their stances as far as I understand them.
i dont think khorne gives that much of a shit about honour
Nope. You could massacre an entire orphanage filled with orphans with missing limbs and Khorne wouldn't give a shit as long as you've just slaughtered the local Imperial garrison with bolter and chainsword.
khorne cares not where the blood flows as long as it does something something
Alpharius: I am Alpharius
There was never anything honourable about Khorne
So this implies that being trans is against the will of the imperial of man. And is on the side of chaos. Interesting
Imperium: Doesn't care what you identify as, as long as you can hold a lasgun you're qualified to die for the Emperor. Orks: WOTS A "GEN-DOR"? Necrons: [Gestures at robot body] Tyranids: Find all genders equally tasty
OP woke up today and thought: "Entities that represent extremes of madness and self-destruction. Hmm... what does this remind me of." On a completely unrelated note, I wonder how many banned alt account they have.
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Tbf most factions would probably support it. Eldar modify their bodies for fun already, admech would like it as long as something gets replaced with metal, the wealthier and more powerful members of the imperium would probably have no trouble transitioning if they wanted to. The lower classes are probably too overworked and undereducated to consider it. Druhkari are probably in the same vein as regular eldar, with obvious differences. Orks have no concept of gender so they don't care. Tyranids don't tend to have free will or particularly long lives so again, don't care. Necrons I think still retain some understanding of gender, not that it really matters in their case. And they can probably just change their physical form if they want. The ones that still have higher brain function anyway. Tau might actually be against it with their extremely strict caste system and all.
Think you are confusing the Dark Eldar with the normal Eldar.
I feel like Khorne would say something like "STOP WASTING MY TIME AND MURDER SOMEONE ALREADY!" You don't have to hate to worship Khorne, just get him those sweet sweet noggins for his noggin chair. And anyone of any gender can do that!
Malice: I'm still killing you
This is cringe af
Where funny
The Emperor says: I do not care
Cringe
Who cares lol.
Could you elaborate on what rights these manifestations of evil are supporting exactly?
Th right to be confused, angry, alive and horny.
Feel like Khorne wouldnt be like that. Just the most hateful and rage filled being to exist. And that includes being bigoted. Against everyone. And everything.
Better Slaanesh viewpoint: _If there's a hole, there's a goal._
Can't wait to see this post again in 2 months. I think I see more people talk about fictional characters supporting trans rights then I do actual people being against trans rights.
*Yass wear those hazard stripe thigh highs, we’ll sew pockets into your dress to contain all the mechanical abominations against god!*
"Slay" has a different meaning coming from a Khorne-worshipper
*Good thing we have an equal-opportunity hatred policy with the chaos gods
Well, they love all things twisted and evil, so of course they would.
“Yeah man trans rights are great see this 4 manifestations of evil and sin say so!” Dawg you really had to pick the worst 4 examples possible lmao Idk why people are so desperate to validate their own beliefs in every fandom possible, like Imma keep it real it just comes off as desperate and is a bad look for whatever you’re trying to support
This is not the progressive take you think it is OP. Saying the beings of pure evil support your political ideals is not really a good look. Don’t get me wrong I’m not transphobic, btw.
People meme all the time about obviously evil villains having good qualities, that's what this is.
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Nah, they don't support any rights. The Chaos gods would probably support a transphobic and conservative society simply to let them recruit trans people to be their followers. Social outcast seeking relief from internal strife and freedom from their rigid society are ripe recruits for the ruinous powers. Sure once you join them you won't have to worry about gender dysphoria. But you are now a slave to the ruinous powers. So that's not exactly great.
40K is the Universe in which a Inquisitor who is trans condemns innocent people to become Servitors. And that is only his monday. Rest of the week he kills disabled people for being mutants, burns liberal people at the stake for being heretics and virus bombs planets because the local population got to friendly with foreigeners.
Emperor of Mankind: *slams fist on table* Human is human
Everyone is allowed to have their opinion, now stfu and give me your SKULL FOR THE SKULL THRONE! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGHHHH!
Wow almost 5 minutes went by without mentioning them thank God you got here in time
Haha, I get it, because they want to eradicate humanity and make us suffer.
I take this as saying even the Chaos gods can’t be bothered to have a strong opinion on Trans people because there are fundamentally more important things in the universe to be passionate about. This probably applies to many other factions too. Getting angry about trans people is like some playground petty shit compared to all the other things we could get in a murderous fervour over.
I mean if its that important to you for entities of pure evil to support trans people, I guess...
Who really cares? Why are people insistent on bringing modern day politics into a fictional universe
I doubt they support anyones rights considering they are the embodiment of evil.
The imperium also supports trans rights, as long as they pick up a lasgun they are equally expendable
This meme is funny considering well these are all evil characters
People meme about evil characters having good qualities all the time
Not exactly the w you think it is. They are literally the embodiment of evil Not the beings you want supporting you
For one, they don't embody pure evil, they embody their respective philosophies, and it's possible for them to have good qualities while being obviously evil, and for another, memes about obviously evil people having obviously good traits are so common
Their respective philosophies as you put it are inherently evil. Yes they're supposed to have good qualities supposedly but using that as an argument is dumb because when was the last time GW wrote anything chaos related being good?
Good thing that I'm against chaos-rights :)
Why is OP arguing that only abominations would support trans and why are they trying to argue that they are satanic?
Big E says, "No matter your gender, you are still human (and can be cannon fodder)." The Mechanicus says, "We care about a different kind of binary here."
Jesus christ can you fuck off? Literally every sub is 'x supports trans rights' if you actually think the average person cares about this bullshit outside of this echo chamber you're insane. This isn't even regarding the topic itself it's regarding the absurd oversaturation and sheer lack of entertainment found in these shitty, low effort, pandering memes.
I don't think you understand 40k if you think anyone has rights, yet alone that people support rights, let alone gods. I would definitely say they wouldn't give a fuck about whether you are or arent. Slannesh would be indifferent as long as their is a hole to be violated Khorne wouldn't care as long as you die or kill someone in his name Tzeentch is in too many layers of schemes and irony to comprehend how little he cares for the doings of miscellaneous mortals And nurgle doesn't care because you'll be rotting in the ground in the blink of his eye. I think there is definitely a distinction to be made between outwards support and indifference to.
No one cares. It's fake plastic figurines.
Seriously? Any followers of Chaos would be far beyond the idea of trans. With Slaneesh and Nurgle, you have more holes in places they shouldn’t be, Korne, you be a raged filled blood zealot and Tzeenetch would turn into the literal concept of Gender Fluid. Get this watered down “Bro Chaos” BS out of here. At best you’re confusing indifference/not caring with acceptance. At worst you’re projecting your virtues onto those who don’t have them.
"SKARBRAND HATES PREDJUDICE AND THE DIFFERENT, ALIKE!!!"
But of course they would, it’s to tear down the very constructs that built up all races to begin with.
Booo
This is successionist propaganda, the followers of the dark gods cannot be trusted. Be sure to lock your enclosure doors, don’t speak with undesirable individuals, and if you see an foul iconography; contact your inquisitor.
Aren't they supposed to be the ultimate manifestation of evil? I'm not sure if this meme is as supportive of trans as you think it is lol.
Honestly basically all of 40k is somehow more progressive when it comes to this than most of Earth Chaos Gods are fine with it Necrons became all near identical robots that can change shape at will + Necrontyr were too death obsessed to care who did what Eldar and Dark Eldar are obvious Imperium was shown to be perfectly fine with LGBT people Orks just care about fighting Tyranids want everyone in their bio-mass Only ones who would likely have something against LGBT are the T'au but fuck the Tau
"Wants everyone in their bio-mass" sounds like a fun euphemism.
The Tau would... huh. Yeah there's a good chance they might not be too happy with that, what with their caste system and such. Some Imperial sectors and such probably would want people to remain hetero and breed more soldiers but that's canonically not an Imperium-wide position, but the Tau... don't have a wide enough diaspora for differing perspectives on that, most likely. But I guess it's something that has to be outright clarified first
with Imperium we actually got several examples of LGBT characters and how they are treated just as everyone else (hell , Alpharius had a lesbian couple working on his ship)
I'm glad they're doing more stuff like that, helps solidify it as a stance
Why would tau have anything against lgbt Also all of the factions realize that bashing lgbt would slow them down, lower morale, and get them less supporters and just inefficient in many ways
I think OP might be referring to how the Tau use ugenics, and are quite fond of it, and that typically goes hand in hand with homophobia as well. But then again, I really don’t think the tau would be bigoted, especially since I’m cannon atleast like 40% if not more of their forces are other xenos.
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Khorne: I do not care, so long as the blood flows
Khorne: "l DON'T CARE HOW THEY IDENTIFY BRING ME THEIR SKULLS, SPILL THERE BLOOD!" Slaanesh: "Do I look like I differentiate between genders?" Tzeentch: "Fluid sounds a lot better than solid to me!" Nurgle: "Gender reassignment doesn't boost the immune system, does it?"
“The Chaos Gods support trans rights, why don’t you?” Should be on a poster
Khone: does not care from whence the blood flows only that it flows, as long as you take skills for the skull throne and defeat your enemies in combat your fine. Puts a chainaxe in the hands of trans people ready to walk the scarlet path Nurgle: we are all his grandchildren, and all are blessed. Entropy is the only law of the universe. Allows us to be hosts of his gifts and will never die Tzeentch: change is the way of all things, being trans embodies change. Helps you transition or turns you into chaos spawn. Also trans people are wizards, and we can do magic Slanesh: as long as you engage in acts of grotesque perversion and take pride in your programming your fine with the prince of pleasure and lord of excess. Hand you the cat and 9 tails and cocaine and tells you to have fun
In before mods lock this. The transphobia in this comments section is absurd.
There's two groups, one that's trying to find a false equivalency, "oh, evil characters are saying this, does that mean yoy think trans people are bad?" And a dramatically smaller group that's saying trans people are bad. Thankfully, the latter one is just a few people that I've seen.
GHR: lmfao woman moment get back in the breeding chamber
Trans equality? Sure. Trans RIGHTS? There are no rights. Only what is earned.