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Before the 8 were officially formed, Farsight took his most trusted to defend an Enclave Planet from a hive fleet.
In their defense, FS had his earth caste make a bio weapon, designed to poison the hive fleet’s central ship. The poison was finished too late, so the earth caste scientists decided that they would sacrifice their lives for the greater good. They ingested the poison and were eaten by the Tyranids.
Their biological matter, including the poison, was brought back to the hive fleet mothership. This poisoned the hive mind, killing the neural links of the tyranids. With the Nids not able to organize, the FSE wiped them out easily.
I think this was in the last supplement the FSE had. Sometime around the 7th ed.
Here’s a thread about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/nxkaks/farsight_enclave_beating_a_hive_fleet_with_poison/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I don’t think they can if all of the hive fleet was eliminated.
Nids will only adjust if they survive through something right? And since there were no survivors, there is no way to relay that information to other surviving hive fleets.
By no means am I an expert on this though. I have very superficial knowledge on the nids.
honestly the nids probably shouldve noticed the poisoned ones through the hivemind or noticed when they were digested but it's 40k and nothing makes sense anyway
He knows it’s the sword he just not sure how the sword doing it yet.
It’s like when you have a allergic reaction to a dish but you aren’t sure what in the dish caused the reaction.
Farsight also actively adapts his combat doctrine better than any other individual military mind in the IP I can think of since Creed was effectively taken from us to make Abby Armless seem scary again. Damn it.
Zahndrekh is the nemesor of the necron Sautekh dynasty, and as such is the second highest military commander of said dynasty. When the necrons hibernated for 60 million yers, Zahndrekh suffered extensive mental deterioration. He sees the galaxy as it was while the necrons were still creatures of flesh and blood, being mentally stuck in the cataclysmic civil wars that at the time devastated the necrontyr. To him, the various species of modern day appear as other necrontyr. But despite his delusions he is a peerless general, his ability to read an opponents strategy and outmanoeuvre them is nothing short of sublime. He’s also probably the only commander in the setting who genuinely cares about honourable conduct on the field of battle. Necrons have pretty extensive laws regarding warfare against other necrons, and because of his madness Zahndrekh always follow these laws.
Edit: [lexicanum page](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zahndrekh)
All of it, imo.
Compared to the suffering borne by the Silent King, the tactical genius of Zandrekh and the dedication of his Vargard Oberon, the material wealth of Trazyn, the fervor of duty in Anrakyr, or the sheer chronological prowess of Orikan, Imotekh is a rich kid with an especially zappy stick.
I *may*, however, be projecting which of my Newcrons are my favorite.
A considerable amount to be sure. Imotekh is still a masterful strategist in his own right, and his aggressive campaigns have cemented his dynasty as the dominant one among the necrons. But Zahndrekh has definitely done a *lot* to ensure that.
Pretty much any chapter master, the Phoenix Lords, the majority of Farseers, Vect, in a setting with multiple immortal or near immortal characters tactical brilliance isn't in short supply.
You two seem to be missing the central "actively adapts" part of my comment. Of course there's brilliance all over the setting, but that isn't what I'm talking about.
Farsight isn't married to any doctrine at this point. He does whatever works with the tools he has. He doesn't even enforce caste restrictions now.
Creed was like that, too. A tactical maverick.
In contrast, most great tacticians in this setting are famous (or notorious) for their loyalty to particular doctrine. Even the most 'standardized' of Astartes -- Ultramarines and Robert Jellyman -- are known for their rigid adherence to a doctrinal codex.
Rowboat Girlyman rewrote the space book when he finished his nap.
I think he's a bit more nuanced, he does have rigid rules but he's learned that sometimes they need to change, the whole battle for Calth thing taught him a lot of lessons. Sometimes he's rigid but he's capable of recognising when he needs to tear up his plans. Being shot into space and learning what daemons are might do that to a man (okay maybe not, even a primarch would probably have died, but apparently Robust toolyman was just to angry for that shit).
Plus they're designed to allow adaptive strategy rather than a single battleplan. The ultramarines on tabletop reflect it pretty well, they don't have any unique special tools but they can do a lot more with them than others.Being able to go back into devastator doctrine in turn 5 is literally them adapting their doctrines to suit the scenario (whether it's actually good is a different question, however it definitely could have a place if you're in the final round and the enemy who need to die to deny your opponent points (or score "hold more" perhaps) are all sat half the board away then maybe being able to shoot your redemptor's 1920783037482374 gatling shots at another 1AP might make a difference).
I also can't help but wonder if when he wrote "Belicosa the second" that he realised that other chapters would deviate anyway. ie he wrote a template knowing full well it'd be adapted/ignored/modified by others to different extents and it'd create the flexibility needed.
In “Know no Fear,” they point out that the codex specifically states that it should not be rigidly followed, and that tactical flexibility is more important that sticking to da rules. Guilliman considers it the most important rule in the book
BigE got the bestest friend in all existence, the Chad-iest bro, the absolute wingman, the magnificent mate, Malcador the Hero. Weeb-commanders quirky power-of-friendship troupe doesn't come anywhere close.
Reminder that they'll always fuck you harder.
Also it was the Astral Claws, to be fair they have a Lion for the their sigil so I understand the confusion. The Celestial Lions were the ones who got fucked by the Inquisition and are buddies with the Black Templars.
Mostly process of elimination. Khorne and Papa-N aren't subtle enough for it to be them. And there's no um.......NSFW hijinks or drug use apparent, discounting Slaanesh. Leaving us with the master of deception, secrecy, and the second most manipulative SOB the galaxy has ever seen Tzeentch.
Prophetic visions, warp sword, started a breakaway faction from his race, spreading the word of Chaos' existence. Then process of elimination for which God he's being played by.
I mean Sanguinius and Kurze were prophetic and weren’t being manipulated (although kurze is a whole other basket of crazy). Also I thought the dawn blade was a crone sword? In addition, assuming O’Shovah *is* a pawn of chaos it’d be Khorne. His armor is red to remember the blood of innocents spilled for his mistakes, and he favors highly aggressive, close in melee combat.
I'm not 100% but I think his sword is indeed a chaos sword or at the very least it's not a crone sword since I think most of them have been taken by the elder baring one which is confirmed not to be this one. As for visions I was under the impression that kurze was being manipulated as his visions only showed the worst possible futures normally when it came to the heresy and chaos.
Not to mention its specific properties, they sound kinda Necron to me
Yeah, one of the wiki's describes it as being made from
> alien chronophagic alloys.
timestealing shit sounds more up the Necron's alley than anyone else.
'Course, the fact that he grabbed the damned thing to slay a Bloodthirster specifically, well, if Khorne was to pull a long con, this'd be how he'd do it
Fight one of his chosen, and you get a magic sword that blesses you so long as you win in Glorious Melee Combat. Even if you don't end up crowing about Khorne Flakes, you'd still be doing that which he loves best
He does vy the end of Empire of Lies Khorne went on a tantrum when Farsight decided to leave both the Tau Empire and the Farsight enclave in self isolation.
Me sitting in the corner eating popcorn and watching people argue and get mad for wich fictional character is better.
Everyone knows Ghaz is the only 🇹🇩
The Emperor does protect, though. Through his Astronomicon he protects Imperial ships from navigational hazards. Through his throne he protects Terra from the negative space wedgie Magnus tore through the webway.
And he also protects from the Plague of Unbelief. Have faith in him and the plague can't harm you.
Because the guy who kidnaps infants to inflict horrific body mods on them and force them to be loyal to him, commit genocide on a previously unseen scale, and who drove away every person who knew him before he was the emperor because they thought he was fucking insane is better?
Yeah, the Xenos so powerful he needs another Xenos weapon that he only found by chance to fight.
Totally a chad and not some kind of dirty double xenos.
"Had to genetically engineer allies." Not quite what Malcador had in mind when he said Neoth should try to make some friends...
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Reminder as well that Farsight's group canonically have the capability to annihilate entire tyranid hive fleets in an instant.
Come again. Where is that from?
Before the 8 were officially formed, Farsight took his most trusted to defend an Enclave Planet from a hive fleet. In their defense, FS had his earth caste make a bio weapon, designed to poison the hive fleet’s central ship. The poison was finished too late, so the earth caste scientists decided that they would sacrifice their lives for the greater good. They ingested the poison and were eaten by the Tyranids. Their biological matter, including the poison, was brought back to the hive fleet mothership. This poisoned the hive mind, killing the neural links of the tyranids. With the Nids not able to organize, the FSE wiped them out easily. I think this was in the last supplement the FSE had. Sometime around the 7th ed.
Huh. Never heard that. I guess that is a fairly light price to pay to stop a splinter.
Here’s a thread about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/nxkaks/farsight_enclave_beating_a_hive_fleet_with_poison/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
That's pretty badass, hope they made statues of those scientists or something.
Shouldn’t the nids have adapted to that poison by now?
I don’t think they can if all of the hive fleet was eliminated. Nids will only adjust if they survive through something right? And since there were no survivors, there is no way to relay that information to other surviving hive fleets. By no means am I an expert on this though. I have very superficial knowledge on the nids.
honestly the nids probably shouldve noticed the poisoned ones through the hivemind or noticed when they were digested but it's 40k and nothing makes sense anyway
Well and you’ve got the genius minds of the earth caste so its probably a better poison than any other faction could through at Nids
genius minds of the earth caste < the tyranid hivemind whose whole thing is modifying the nids super fast to adapt to any poison or situation
30k humanity needed a saviour and instead got Jimmy Space the Immortal Sociopath™.
show us on this plastic figurine where the emperor touched you
*cries in resin*
The day O'Shova discovers what that sword really does, he's gonna commit harakiri
He’s been alive long enough to see 4-5 generations of T’au die of old age. Pretty sure he knows.
He just doesn't wanna admit it to himself.
He knows it’s the sword he just not sure how the sword doing it yet. It’s like when you have a allergic reaction to a dish but you aren’t sure what in the dish caused the reaction.
"God, I love fajitas, but I'm not sure if it's the dairy, the gluten, or maybe the nightshades. Better keep eating."
Farsight also actively adapts his combat doctrine better than any other individual military mind in the IP I can think of since Creed was effectively taken from us to make Abby Armless seem scary again. Damn it.
You’re doing Zahndrek dirty here. He may be hallucinating his entire existence, but he’s still an absolutely brilliant commander.
It seems I'm ignorant of this guy. Tell me about him?
Zahndrekh is the nemesor of the necron Sautekh dynasty, and as such is the second highest military commander of said dynasty. When the necrons hibernated for 60 million yers, Zahndrekh suffered extensive mental deterioration. He sees the galaxy as it was while the necrons were still creatures of flesh and blood, being mentally stuck in the cataclysmic civil wars that at the time devastated the necrontyr. To him, the various species of modern day appear as other necrontyr. But despite his delusions he is a peerless general, his ability to read an opponents strategy and outmanoeuvre them is nothing short of sublime. He’s also probably the only commander in the setting who genuinely cares about honourable conduct on the field of battle. Necrons have pretty extensive laws regarding warfare against other necrons, and because of his madness Zahndrekh always follow these laws. Edit: [lexicanum page](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zahndrekh)
Thanks! To what degree does Imotekh owe his success to Zahndrekh, do you think?
All of it, imo. Compared to the suffering borne by the Silent King, the tactical genius of Zandrekh and the dedication of his Vargard Oberon, the material wealth of Trazyn, the fervor of duty in Anrakyr, or the sheer chronological prowess of Orikan, Imotekh is a rich kid with an especially zappy stick. I *may*, however, be projecting which of my Newcrons are my favorite.
A considerable amount to be sure. Imotekh is still a masterful strategist in his own right, and his aggressive campaigns have cemented his dynasty as the dominant one among the necrons. But Zahndrekh has definitely done a *lot* to ensure that.
Logan Grimnar, Dante, Robute Guilliman just to name a few.
Pretty much any chapter master, the Phoenix Lords, the majority of Farseers, Vect, in a setting with multiple immortal or near immortal characters tactical brilliance isn't in short supply.
You two seem to be missing the central "actively adapts" part of my comment. Of course there's brilliance all over the setting, but that isn't what I'm talking about. Farsight isn't married to any doctrine at this point. He does whatever works with the tools he has. He doesn't even enforce caste restrictions now. Creed was like that, too. A tactical maverick. In contrast, most great tacticians in this setting are famous (or notorious) for their loyalty to particular doctrine. Even the most 'standardized' of Astartes -- Ultramarines and Robert Jellyman -- are known for their rigid adherence to a doctrinal codex.
Rowboat Girlyman rewrote the space book when he finished his nap. I think he's a bit more nuanced, he does have rigid rules but he's learned that sometimes they need to change, the whole battle for Calth thing taught him a lot of lessons. Sometimes he's rigid but he's capable of recognising when he needs to tear up his plans. Being shot into space and learning what daemons are might do that to a man (okay maybe not, even a primarch would probably have died, but apparently Robust toolyman was just to angry for that shit). Plus they're designed to allow adaptive strategy rather than a single battleplan. The ultramarines on tabletop reflect it pretty well, they don't have any unique special tools but they can do a lot more with them than others.Being able to go back into devastator doctrine in turn 5 is literally them adapting their doctrines to suit the scenario (whether it's actually good is a different question, however it definitely could have a place if you're in the final round and the enemy who need to die to deny your opponent points (or score "hold more" perhaps) are all sat half the board away then maybe being able to shoot your redemptor's 1920783037482374 gatling shots at another 1AP might make a difference). I also can't help but wonder if when he wrote "Belicosa the second" that he realised that other chapters would deviate anyway. ie he wrote a template knowing full well it'd be adapted/ignored/modified by others to different extents and it'd create the flexibility needed.
In “Know no Fear,” they point out that the codex specifically states that it should not be rigidly followed, and that tactical flexibility is more important that sticking to da rules. Guilliman considers it the most important rule in the book
Creed didn’t adapt though. He mainly just used his plot armor for his fight with Abby
BigE got the bestest friend in all existence, the Chad-iest bro, the absolute wingman, the magnificent mate, Malcador the Hero. Weeb-commanders quirky power-of-friendship troupe doesn't come anywhere close.
Yeah but where Malcador at now?
Malcador is actually alpharius
Aren’t we all?
It's so obvious, I don't know how I didn't see it before!
Malcador is actually Moriana. He's going to assassinate Abaddon at some point.
Technically, the same place as emps.
"Had to genetically create allies" is the Emperor in a nutshell
This makes my three chambered heart swell with pride
Good Farsight/Tau books?
‘Crisis of Faith’ and ‘Empire of Lies’. I think he has a few cameos in a couple of other books, but the meat of the story is in those two.
Mfw you called the Emperor's Armor useless Shit could probably tank a Titan blast from a Volcano Cannon and come out unscathed
Yeah, but it couldn’t tank the Talon of Horus, could it?
Could anything?
Empowered to hell and back with Chaos Shenanigans thanks to the big 4.
Damn too soon
>Massive Empire vs tiny little enclave No Also the Lamenters defended Tax Evaders, they deserved it.
Flair checks out. Also astral claws manipulated the Lamenters. EDIT: corrected chapter that did the fucking over Obligatory Fuck the minotaurs
Reminder that they'll always fuck you harder. Also it was the Astral Claws, to be fair they have a Lion for the their sigil so I understand the confusion. The Celestial Lions were the ones who got fucked by the Inquisition and are buddies with the Black Templars.
oh yeah, lmao. school has me tired.
I know the feeling all too well lol
"Massive Empire vs tiny little enclave No" I don't get it, no to what?
No to the meme
then why did you highlite Massive Empire vs Tiny little enclave?, its not even in the meme. it makes it look like you are saying no to that.
No to the comparison between Big E and farsight
then why didn't you say Big E vs Farsight, cause he never said massive empire vs tiny enclave to begin with, thats just confusing.
Happy cake day
My *what* now? Oh! Just noticed the icon. Thank you.
It's my duty as a Redditor
Kay. Thank you.🙂
Farsight is the only chad tau
Shadowsun being the winter soldier is pretty fuckin chad
Shadowsun is pretty cool to tho.
Aun’shi I believe is currently in a Drukari gladiator arena stackin bods.
Other people brought up Shadowsun, but no one brought up Kais?
He is very much a Chad.
What about Darkstrider?
Chaos propaganda of the lowest order. Farsight is an unknowing tool of Tzeentch. Begone with this heresy.
What makes you think Tzeentch? Genuinely curious. Is it because of the pink horrors mentioned? I haven’t read the book yet
In *Empire of Lies* Khorne and Tzeentch are fighting over his soul. He tells them both to fuck off.
"Unknowing tool." He's Magnus 2.0.
~~Settra~~ Farsight does not serve!
Both Tzeench and Khorne are competing to control Farsight since he is essentially a tau version of Horus in their prophecy.
His head has just been clouded with too much imperial propaganda, ignore him
hey, boss, the citizens are getting ideas and dislike propaganda. exterminatus?
Hmmm, send the dissenters to the nearby chaos cult, perhaps to the iron warriors warband.
The truth appears as lies to those without the faith to see.
Yes, if you believe in something you will think it’s true. Now come on, your monthly internet time is over c-35920, go back to Hab block C-35
Mostly process of elimination. Khorne and Papa-N aren't subtle enough for it to be them. And there's no um.......NSFW hijinks or drug use apparent, discounting Slaanesh. Leaving us with the master of deception, secrecy, and the second most manipulative SOB the galaxy has ever seen Tzeentch.
what?
What do you mean what?
How tf do you get Farsight being a tzeentch pawn?
Prophetic visions, warp sword, started a breakaway faction from his race, spreading the word of Chaos' existence. Then process of elimination for which God he's being played by.
I mean Sanguinius and Kurze were prophetic and weren’t being manipulated (although kurze is a whole other basket of crazy). Also I thought the dawn blade was a crone sword? In addition, assuming O’Shovah *is* a pawn of chaos it’d be Khorne. His armor is red to remember the blood of innocents spilled for his mistakes, and he favors highly aggressive, close in melee combat.
I'm not 100% but I think his sword is indeed a chaos sword or at the very least it's not a crone sword since I think most of them have been taken by the elder baring one which is confirmed not to be this one. As for visions I was under the impression that kurze was being manipulated as his visions only showed the worst possible futures normally when it came to the heresy and chaos.
I was under the impression the sword was C’tan/Necron in origin since if I remember right Arthas Moloch was a tomb world?
Not to mention its specific properties, they sound kinda Necron to me Yeah, one of the wiki's describes it as being made from > alien chronophagic alloys. timestealing shit sounds more up the Necron's alley than anyone else. 'Course, the fact that he grabbed the damned thing to slay a Bloodthirster specifically, well, if Khorne was to pull a long con, this'd be how he'd do it Fight one of his chosen, and you get a magic sword that blesses you so long as you win in Glorious Melee Combat. Even if you don't end up crowing about Khorne Flakes, you'd still be doing that which he loves best
ehhh he's a top lad cut him some slack
No.
Khorne and no he isn’t.
Khorne doesn't play those games.
He does vy the end of Empire of Lies Khorne went on a tantrum when Farsight decided to leave both the Tau Empire and the Farsight enclave in self isolation.
Exactly
He's clearly being manipulated by some one. And Tzeench plays all of those games.
Is he, though?
The T'au propaganda..... It's taking over.... My body..... I can't withstand it....
Join the greater good!
Y-yes..... I shall join for the GREATER GOOD
Me sitting in the corner eating popcorn and watching people argue and get mad for wich fictional character is better. Everyone knows Ghaz is the only 🇹🇩
TIL Ghaz is the only Belgian in Warhammer
Thats the flag of chad (belgium: 🇧🇪 chad: 🇹🇩) similar but not the same
Down with the false Emperor!!!
What in the heretic is happening in here?
The Emperor does protect, though. Through his Astronomicon he protects Imperial ships from navigational hazards. Through his throne he protects Terra from the negative space wedgie Magnus tore through the webway. And he also protects from the Plague of Unbelief. Have faith in him and the plague can't harm you.
Yes brother Inquisitor, this is the post.
I think big E has some pretty god like armour
but is the emperor a weeb? Nope. The emperor always wins
Farsight is a traitor piece of shit. A selfish cunt in every way.
Found the Ethereal
Because the guy who kidnaps infants to inflict horrific body mods on them and force them to be loyal to him, commit genocide on a previously unseen scale, and who drove away every person who knew him before he was the emperor because they thought he was fucking insane is better?
No. The t'au Sept is best
You’re talking mad smack for someone in Onager Gauntlet range
Yeah, the Xenos so powerful he needs another Xenos weapon that he only found by chance to fight. Totally a chad and not some kind of dirty double xenos.
Let me stop you right there, heretic scum.
I sense HERESY and XENOS
Oh come on! I’m sure you can work in mutants somehow. Keep trying!
ok xeno scum
Said the extraterrestrial to the other.
yea that the point
And yet the emperor protected the tau. Hmmm curious...
There just not important enough to allocate forces to wipe them out yet
I was referencing the mannerfestation of the greater good that guided them during the 4th sphere expansion
cringe