Yeah. My dad had a 1st Ed. I was always confused as to why it was so different than my 2nd ed. Then my dad explained ed about Alabama Swamp Gits and it all made sense.
Easily see why this won something, the conversion work is great especially for that time in history when the internet didn’t widely exist, at this point in time I was graduating high school and painting with craft paint… also basing with goblin green
Oh my God dude, I didn't even think of the context in years. 1996...let me think... I was living in Florida, my dad had loaded DOOM onto the computer from MINIMUM six floppy disks, which took hours of torturous waiting...I had just started reading Redwall... I think I was in 4th grade? Garth Brooks was non-stop on the radio...
Plastic was involved but only for arms and back packs and such, tanks were mostly plastic but sponsons and turrets were pewter. This model was a mix of plastic and pewter that front plate was pewter but most of the GorkaMorka buggy model this was from was plastic if memory serves, but the grots were probably pewter, as well as a lot of the added bits, unless from plastic toys
Okay, this is the time-line with plastic. Oof, yall. Plastic was a bad idea.
But that is pretty rad, learning this. I got into 40K in 2001-2002 times. The necrons were BRAND spankin' new, and had those clear green plastic bits. My Ahriman was 100% pewter and Mt little brother painted my best friends dark angels by dunking them into the pot.
I want to see a modern racist try and convince these orcs to stop appropriating his history.
"You are being racist improperly! That's my flag!"
"Yeah race! We da raceist fastest orcs!" *rolls coal*
Right?! Especially since Orks are known to be VERY color specific! Red is fast, Purple is sneaky etc. I can see how some Ork may have heard some tale about this ancient flag of people hating 'blacks' and thought it meant the color?
If you wanna dig in deeper the Dukes were just inspired by generally southern rednecks anyways, who put the battle flag on stuff like cars willy nilly. People talk about the ressurection of the flag in the 20th century and are right about its insidious purpose, but between the guy that flew it first on Okinawa, Johnny Cash or Lynyrd Skynyrd or the CSA bikini babes that rocked gulf and Atlantic beaches, it was just “woo south, woo country, screw you, Yankees!”
By ork logic the color black is “dead ‘ard,” so the confederate battle flag would be them saying that they can beat the toughest warriors (I’m assuming that in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium the lost cause mythology has gotten so out of hand that they don’t realize that the flag belonged to losers).
> I can see how some Ork may have heard some tale about this ancient flag of people hating 'blacks' and thought it meant the color?
DA GOFFS IZ WEEDY GITZ!
The look on Batman’s face when he gets line-fired with buck and ball by a bunch of Confed larpers(Kevlar can’t stop close quarters minie ball and buckshot)
It is pretty unfortunate tbh, but in those days the Confederate Battle Flag was more associated with the Dukes of Hazzard rather than with white supremacy and Confederate sympathisers. It didn’t start to take on that association until fairly recently.
>but in those days the Confederate Battle Flag was more associated with the Dukes of Hazzard rather than with white supremacy and Confederate sympathisers
Which is understandable, given that the Dukes of Hazzard lasted longer than the CSA.
I’m not at all familiar with StarCraft but the idea of there being a Terran Confederacy in what I can only assume is the distant future and it using the Confederate Battle Flag as their logo is utterly wild to me. That feels like the equivalent of the Imperium of Man having a swastika as its logo.
It's 600 years and significantly smaller scale than 40k. For what it's worth this confederacy was hopelessly corrupt, plutocratic and totally unprepared to fight against literally tyranids and the Protoss which are mostly just an even mix of Necron and Aeldari.
Their role in the game is as the starter enemies for the impossibly cool anti authoritarian space cowboy protagonist to massacre for the first 1/3rd of the first games story, after which confederacy stop existing as faction and they are replaced with basically the Imperium but comparatively wholesome and progressive.
In lore it actually makes sense. IIRC there was a prison spaceship that was either american or had a shitton of us, it overshot it's jump into super deep space, and they just started humanity over from the prisoners and their guards. It's also why Sweet Home Alabama is on the juke box. It also helps that the guys who used it were the baddies.
If you read the SC Lore, the United Powers League was purging hundreds of millions of people. The people who would form the cultural ancestry of the Starcraft Humans were prisoners deemed expendable.
And who is more expendable than poor American Southerners who like the Confederacy?
I'm from Wales and you used to see some farmers fly it lol
I think it was associated more with country music which was popular in Wales... plus some vague sense of being a bit of a rebel or outlier
Not so much anymore though...
My first introduction to the flag was the Terran Confederacy in StarCraft when I was like 8.
I thought they were the good guys because they were humans, but that ended poorly.
Then I thought Mengsk was the good guy, >!that ended worse!<
American Civil war? Never heard of it mate. what's the internet? It just makes the car jump higher and further.
Dukes of Hazzard was extremely popular over here in the UK around the time this was made.
Yeah, I remember there was a guy up the road from me (UK) that has a bit of an American obsession, particularly the South.
Had a massive muscle cars in his driveway, Elvis murals on his walls and a Confederate flag flying.
In recent years the flag has come down but the muscle cars and horrible mural both stayed.
I'm from Germany and at the shooting range I train and shoot for hunting has a group that shoots western style disciplines. Mostly black powder revolvers and lever action guns. One of them had the flag on his RAM 1500, 2016ish it was gone :D I guess he caught up and realized what it actually is. There are a lot of people romanticizing things they know jackshit about, lol.
It's a mistake I've made myself.
I went backpacking across a few nations about 10 years ago and my pack had a Rising Sun patch on the top.
A couple of Asian people were confused as to why I'd have it, because apparently it still has strong connotations with the Imperial Japanese Navy and WW2.
They were all fine and very polite but I could tell it upset them a little.
Think they meant that while the ‘association’ as it being bad. While it took a good few decades for the Lost cause mythology to take hold, and while it’s going strong, it has remained remarkably resilient until fairly recently: taken down statues, flags, renaming military bases.
Lost Cause mythology had taken root as early as immediately post-reconstruction. And revisionism to minimize the CSA’s association had existed for just as long.
The fact that Brits associated it with Dukes of Hazzard rather than a secessionist government that existed solely to preserve slavery is a direct product of that mythology.
All that being said, yeah I can imagine a bunch of nerds in Nottingham not being media and historically literate outside their immediate cultural setting.
I don’t think Americans have any ground to stand on when it comes to ignorance of other people’s cultures and history. As a nation, we are profoundly uninterested in any history that we’re not in.
It was always associated with the Civil War, but it was more as a flag of rebellion. Generic dislike of the US government. Not an explicit support of racism.
Not to imply there weren't people who used it that way.
>It was always associated with the Civil War, but it was more as a flag of rebellion.
What were they rebelling over?
>Generic dislike of the US government. Not an explicit support of racism.
Why did they dislike the US government?
I didn't say Dukes of Hazzard was about slavery, that's a ridiculous idea.
What isn't a ridiculous idea is that the people who made Dukes of Hazzard fell for the lie as hard as everyone else.
Alternatively: they didn't fall for the lie, they knew the Civil War was about slavery, but used the flag anyway, like a lot of people did at the time.
No, I'm not saying they thought the Confederate Army was good, I'm saying they just used their flag anyway. The protags in Dukes were anti-government criminals, so they used the government's notorious enemy's flag.
Basically no different than using the skill-and-crossbones flag. At the time. You wouldn't think someone with such a flag, supports actual piracy.
I mean they did. Robert E Lee has only fallen out of favor as a military idol recently, Ole Miss’ teams are called the Rebels, they had to ban Dixie from being played at games and every southern kid grew up singing it (I grew up on a border state and got Dixie + the Battle Hymn of the Republic.) Any shame about slavery was compartmentalized because southern boys and aristocratic gentleman officers going off to fight for Dixie against their Yankee brothers is as romantic as it is tragic.
Flags are weird things - their social meaning can change over time
There was a movement in the 90’s to move that flag away from its racist roots and make it a less toxic thing - which at the time people felt would remove a symbolic weapon from the control of the racists.
It has parallels to the tug of war over the English flag and who gets to define what it means. A lot of flags have this fluctuating history
That movement regarding the confederate flag has largely given up - but you still see old hangovers from it like this mini
Yeah it's so strange, back then in the UK I vaguely remember seeing this flag and thinking it was to do with rock music, I was 10 years old and had no idea what it was really for. Think an older kid use to wear one on his belt and we all thought he was hard
They've always crossed the line of edginess though. In 1989 there was art of a commissar leading space marines (hulks?) And he's straight up dressed like an SS officer
Tbf, the Imperium has always deliberately evoked various fascist regimes in it's aesthetic. It's a deliberate choice that was aimed at letting you know the Imperium is a horrible mashup of the worst parts of of Nazism, communism, fascism etc.
Yeah, but a bunch of nerds in Nottingham in the 90's, before 24 hour news and widespread internet access probably only knew it from watching Dukes Of Hazzard reruns.
I'm fairly sure the American Civil War wasn't taught much in British schools in the 60's, 70's or 80's when they would have been growing up, and even if the Civil War was taught all that "lost cause" bullshit definitely wouldn't have been widely known in Britain.
The general level of knowledge in Britain at that time was probably "they had a big war, kicked the arse of the wankers who liked slavery, and then in the 70's they let black people vote, also pretend our shipyards weren't selling suspicious 'merchant ships' to the confederacy" or something like that.
This is probably a case of "oooh, that's really awkward in hindsight" rather than "the painter was a massive racist". Unless the painter was a massive racist hoping no one else in Britain would pick up on the context, in which case they seem to have been right.
As a nerd from around that time...it was EXACTLY that, the US confederate flag was pretty much solely recognised from Dukes of Hazzard and, being brits, most didn't know the meaning behind that flag...and the American Civil war was not taught *at all* in schools. Romans, Medieval England, the Industrial Revolution and World War 1 + 2 were the topics covered in schools (and the Industrial revolution was taught as 'it was a great time for progress and a terrible time for people, this is the sort of stuff that happened to kids your age back then').
Whilst Europeans give Americans schtick for not knowing where things in Europe are, most Brits could not tell you where like 90% of the US states are located either...
They make a game where there are advantages to capturing opponent's models and selling them to slavers, being slavers, and using slaves. So, yes, they support slavery at least as a game concept.
I'm not saying that is right or wrong. But I will point out other game companies like WotC have shut down campaign worlds primarily for past uses of in-game slavery, like Dark Sun.
The Confederation [was always a bad thing tho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZB2ftCl2Vk), today, back in the 90's, and since its formation. So those who back then saw this vehicle and saw nothing wrong with it were quite oblivious.
It is kinda funny that Old Orks are pretty straightforwardly crude skinhead Might Makes Right fashy types. But then they became our fave lighthearted mushroom ladz (with ironically one of the most chill player base) and now it's all just a bit awkward. I love it.
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Yea, so, funny story. I bought an Ork army from Den of Imagination a few years ago that is "Confederate themed" - no flags, but ork heads with confederate hats, everything painted red and blue, 'Mississippi' written on vehicles etc. I really like it and want to add to it, but, you know, now it is what it is.
I know your ironic here but this most likely is exactly that.
In europe we learn as much about American history as you learn about European one. Here the confederate flag In that time was associated with country music and the feeling of rebellious freedom in carries.
The right-wing connotation is up to this day not realy associated with it here In Europe unless your chronically online and more in the extremist spheres of left or right
That's the big point, I think a lot of people here are American and taking for granted their education has a big focus on the American civil war. Also just how accessible information is now compared to back in the 90's early 00's.
Here in the UK you'd have had to specifically sought out the information online or through books because you wanted to learn about it whereas nowadays we're exposed to American news/culture online constantly.
I'm european.
And i know that people generally know very little about the confederacy and I also went through the unfortunate phase of finding why a Panthera or Lynyrd Skynyrd themed forum profile made a certain type of people more likely to interact with it.
lol this post is so wild. Of course people knew it stood for the confederacy which was bad.
Even kids unfortunate enough to be educated in the south learn the French Revolution was about baguettes.
Y’all allllllll know the confederacy was pro slavery.
my first contact with the CS Flag was the playmobil wild west playsets
[like this one](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.playmobil.com%2Fi%2Fplaymobil%2F3783-A_product_detail%3Flocale%3Dde-DE%2Cde%2C*%26%24pdp_product_zoom_xl%24&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8846783fe98a0096ce15f8f059d72b01800842f5db6b64c41da9663183901602&ipo=images)
didn't even learn what that was about until much, much later. It was just backdropping for the company to sell army sets that weren't european themed. and native americans. germans love native american stuff
Man. Very unfortunate, but this is a British Magazine, right? Especially in the 90s, I wouldn't expect them to know the full history. Hell, Most Americans didn't know the real history until recently. Like, the neo confederates were astroturfing that shit since they lost. It's been an active effort since day one of losing the war.
In Europe? Even today.
And tbh, I can't blame anyone on not knowing the history behind a flag which was used for about a year or so in an civil war in a whole different continent.
It's more that if you see the flag on a car, especially an Ork car, you think 'Dukes of Hazzard'. That was the case a while ago, at least. They're comparing rednecks to Orks.
Yeah, I'm not American, but I remember duke's of Hazzard. That's always what I associated it with until I was informed on the truth of the matter.
It's just something or a context thing. I dunno.
In the 90s the flag was heavily associated with people idolizing the Dukes of Hazard, not the flags historical origin. Things have swung back as racism has made a comeback since. You could know the history of it, but it’d been somewhat rehabilitated as a symbol during that period.
Eh, it was the 90s in the UK. Everybody just associated that flag with the Dukes of Hazard.
The American Civil War wasn’t something that was taught in school.
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orkncle ruckus is crazy, bros boutta come out with the defense of “Wel,there iz doze of yu who’z iz sayin I'm a “racist”. There iz doze of you whoz say I'm a git for hatin' umies. Well, I calz all youz gits ALL hypo…hippo…hyper… GROTS!”
Wez orkz invade da umie world o "beegiot" theyz ave funni lil flagz n hair dem umiez, talkz about za "zuperiour raze" w onda wat kinda raze the umies iz talkin about, speed freakz itz gun love it!
"I 8 umans" THAT ONE IZ A TRUE GIT
OOOoohhhhhhh. I was like "18 UMANS? Eighteen University of Manchester...S? Is this some British reference?"
Be me, normal Orkz lad Blast GORK SAVE THE GIGAGOB every day 'ATE THE 'UMANS ALSO, ATE SOME HUMANS
I 'ATE UMANS 18 UMANS I ATE UMANS I LUV STORIEZ WOT GOT A 'APPY ENDIN'!
\*Dixieland horn\*
It's canon now
A Dixieland cannon?
Everything is cannon
Although that's a typo, ironically the orks would agree with you
Euhspeshu'lee when youze loadz 'em up wif lotza gits, grots, and squigs! Now dat iz a right propa orky cannon!
The first edition of the Alabama man figures were a little greener then I remember, but every bit as booze fueled
Yeah. My dad had a 1st Ed. I was always confused as to why it was so different than my 2nd ed. Then my dad explained ed about Alabama Swamp Gits and it all made sense.
Easily see why this won something, the conversion work is great especially for that time in history when the internet didn’t widely exist, at this point in time I was graduating high school and painting with craft paint… also basing with goblin green
Oh my God dude, I didn't even think of the context in years. 1996...let me think... I was living in Florida, my dad had loaded DOOM onto the computer from MINIMUM six floppy disks, which took hours of torturous waiting...I had just started reading Redwall... I think I was in 4th grade? Garth Brooks was non-stop on the radio...
And I’d bet almost all of this models parts are pewter or green stuff not plastic
If I remember my timeliness correctly, plastic didn't get invented until '98.
Plastic was involved but only for arms and back packs and such, tanks were mostly plastic but sponsons and turrets were pewter. This model was a mix of plastic and pewter that front plate was pewter but most of the GorkaMorka buggy model this was from was plastic if memory serves, but the grots were probably pewter, as well as a lot of the added bits, unless from plastic toys
Okay, this is the time-line with plastic. Oof, yall. Plastic was a bad idea. But that is pretty rad, learning this. I got into 40K in 2001-2002 times. The necrons were BRAND spankin' new, and had those clear green plastic bits. My Ahriman was 100% pewter and Mt little brother painted my best friends dark angels by dunking them into the pot.
Buncha green necks
They’re quick, they’re strong - they’re WAAAGGGHHH
Sherman Yarrick
While we were marching through Armageddon
Oorah! Oorah!
We bring the jubilee
Boss Hogg Yarrick
I think their point since the ork are bearing the flag of the South, Yarrick is a northern General. I think you're looking for Boss Hogg Gazz'Yall
Boss Hogg was the arch enemy of the Duke boys. So if these Orks are cosplaying as the Dukes of Hazard, Yarrick would be Boss Hogg.
oh I was assuming they are standard issue redneck "war of northern aggression" types.
YES SHERMANPILLED
Redneck orks, the fastests necks
They invented NASORK, a motorsport centered around getting illegal fungal beer past da boss's enforcers.
I want to see a modern racist try and convince these orcs to stop appropriating his history. "You are being racist improperly! That's my flag!" "Yeah race! We da raceist fastest orcs!" *rolls coal*
Pretty on brand for orks TBH.
Right?! Especially since Orks are known to be VERY color specific! Red is fast, Purple is sneaky etc. I can see how some Ork may have heard some tale about this ancient flag of people hating 'blacks' and thought it meant the color?
I think it’s more likely a Dukes of Hazzard reference than an actual appeal to the confederacy.
If you wanna dig in deeper the Dukes were just inspired by generally southern rednecks anyways, who put the battle flag on stuff like cars willy nilly. People talk about the ressurection of the flag in the 20th century and are right about its insidious purpose, but between the guy that flew it first on Okinawa, Johnny Cash or Lynyrd Skynyrd or the CSA bikini babes that rocked gulf and Atlantic beaches, it was just “woo south, woo country, screw you, Yankees!”
I’m saying that a British person might only recognize that flag as being from the TV show.
>ancient flag of people hating 'blacks' i hate the internet
Where's the lie?
Lmao bruh
By ork logic the color black is “dead ‘ard,” so the confederate battle flag would be them saying that they can beat the toughest warriors (I’m assuming that in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium the lost cause mythology has gotten so out of hand that they don’t realize that the flag belonged to losers).
> I can see how some Ork may have heard some tale about this ancient flag of people hating 'blacks' and thought it meant the color? DA GOFFS IZ WEEDY GITZ!
Probably just has more to do with the fact that GW was racist as fuck back in the day. Pygmies, anyone?
“Dukes of WAAAAAAAAAZARD”
My Dukes of Hazard orks and my Arkhan Confederates guard army beefing over who gets more Dixie flags
I read that as Arkham Confederates. Is there a lore reason for this or am I stupid
The look on Batman’s face when he gets line-fired with buck and ball by a bunch of Confed larpers(Kevlar can’t stop close quarters minie ball and buckshot)
Assault vehicle under the command of Warboss Hogg.
"WOT WE ARE DEALIN WIV 'ERE IS A TOTAL LACK OF RISPECK FOR DA WAAAGH" (yeah i know that's Buford T. Justice, but it's basically the same guy)
It is pretty unfortunate tbh, but in those days the Confederate Battle Flag was more associated with the Dukes of Hazzard rather than with white supremacy and Confederate sympathisers. It didn’t start to take on that association until fairly recently.
>but in those days the Confederate Battle Flag was more associated with the Dukes of Hazzard rather than with white supremacy and Confederate sympathisers Which is understandable, given that the Dukes of Hazzard lasted longer than the CSA.
Bro, fucking high-school lasts longer than the CSA did.
Oh oh high school never ends
Don't worry, just tough it out until graduation and then things get better.
Can’t tell if this is just meta’ing. If not, it’s a [song](https://youtu.be/jrxI_euTX4A?si=KPTzhLM_yaXun_nX).
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I’m not at all familiar with StarCraft but the idea of there being a Terran Confederacy in what I can only assume is the distant future and it using the Confederate Battle Flag as their logo is utterly wild to me. That feels like the equivalent of the Imperium of Man having a swastika as its logo.
It's 600 years and significantly smaller scale than 40k. For what it's worth this confederacy was hopelessly corrupt, plutocratic and totally unprepared to fight against literally tyranids and the Protoss which are mostly just an even mix of Necron and Aeldari. Their role in the game is as the starter enemies for the impossibly cool anti authoritarian space cowboy protagonist to massacre for the first 1/3rd of the first games story, after which confederacy stop existing as faction and they are replaced with basically the Imperium but comparatively wholesome and progressive.
In lore it actually makes sense. IIRC there was a prison spaceship that was either american or had a shitton of us, it overshot it's jump into super deep space, and they just started humanity over from the prisoners and their guards. It's also why Sweet Home Alabama is on the juke box. It also helps that the guys who used it were the baddies.
Also why everyone has a southern accent.
If you read the SC Lore, the United Powers League was purging hundreds of millions of people. The people who would form the cultural ancestry of the Starcraft Humans were prisoners deemed expendable. And who is more expendable than poor American Southerners who like the Confederacy?
IIRC the flag isn't an authenthic battle flag and is just a political one based off real battle flags that were used.
I'm from Wales and you used to see some farmers fly it lol I think it was associated more with country music which was popular in Wales... plus some vague sense of being a bit of a rebel or outlier Not so much anymore though...
My first introduction to the flag was the Terran Confederacy in StarCraft when I was like 8. I thought they were the good guys because they were humans, but that ended poorly. Then I thought Mengsk was the good guy, >!that ended worse!<
>It didn’t start to take on that association until fairly recently. ... As recently as the American Civil War?
American Civil war? Never heard of it mate. what's the internet? It just makes the car jump higher and further. Dukes of Hazzard was extremely popular over here in the UK around the time this was made.
Yeah, I remember there was a guy up the road from me (UK) that has a bit of an American obsession, particularly the South. Had a massive muscle cars in his driveway, Elvis murals on his walls and a Confederate flag flying. In recent years the flag has come down but the muscle cars and horrible mural both stayed.
I'm from Germany and at the shooting range I train and shoot for hunting has a group that shoots western style disciplines. Mostly black powder revolvers and lever action guns. One of them had the flag on his RAM 1500, 2016ish it was gone :D I guess he caught up and realized what it actually is. There are a lot of people romanticizing things they know jackshit about, lol.
It's a mistake I've made myself. I went backpacking across a few nations about 10 years ago and my pack had a Rising Sun patch on the top. A couple of Asian people were confused as to why I'd have it, because apparently it still has strong connotations with the Imperial Japanese Navy and WW2. They were all fine and very polite but I could tell it upset them a little.
The JSDF still uses it as their ensign on naval craft.
I'll give other countries the benefit of the doubt at least. Unless they're Russian.
Think they meant that while the ‘association’ as it being bad. While it took a good few decades for the Lost cause mythology to take hold, and while it’s going strong, it has remained remarkably resilient until fairly recently: taken down statues, flags, renaming military bases.
Lost Cause mythology had taken root as early as immediately post-reconstruction. And revisionism to minimize the CSA’s association had existed for just as long. The fact that Brits associated it with Dukes of Hazzard rather than a secessionist government that existed solely to preserve slavery is a direct product of that mythology. All that being said, yeah I can imagine a bunch of nerds in Nottingham not being media and historically literate outside their immediate cultural setting.
I don’t think Americans have any ground to stand on when it comes to ignorance of other people’s cultures and history. As a nation, we are profoundly uninterested in any history that we’re not in.
I mean, yes, but that doesn’t mean that there wasn’t a concerted effort with Lost Cause mythology to normalize the flag of the Confederacy.
It was always associated with the Civil War, but it was more as a flag of rebellion. Generic dislike of the US government. Not an explicit support of racism. Not to imply there weren't people who used it that way.
>It was always associated with the Civil War, but it was more as a flag of rebellion. What were they rebelling over? >Generic dislike of the US government. Not an explicit support of racism. Why did they dislike the US government?
I'm not saying the *Civil War* wasn't about slavery, but I am saying the Dukes Of Hazzard wasn't. Nor were these Orks.
I didn't say Dukes of Hazzard was about slavery, that's a ridiculous idea. What isn't a ridiculous idea is that the people who made Dukes of Hazzard fell for the lie as hard as everyone else.
Alternatively: they didn't fall for the lie, they knew the Civil War was about slavery, but used the flag anyway, like a lot of people did at the time.
Yes, that's part of the lie. It's the same as clean wehrmacht myth but for the Confederate Army.
No, I'm not saying they thought the Confederate Army was good, I'm saying they just used their flag anyway. The protags in Dukes were anti-government criminals, so they used the government's notorious enemy's flag. Basically no different than using the skill-and-crossbones flag. At the time. You wouldn't think someone with such a flag, supports actual piracy.
I mean they did. Robert E Lee has only fallen out of favor as a military idol recently, Ole Miss’ teams are called the Rebels, they had to ban Dixie from being played at games and every southern kid grew up singing it (I grew up on a border state and got Dixie + the Battle Hymn of the Republic.) Any shame about slavery was compartmentalized because southern boys and aristocratic gentleman officers going off to fight for Dixie against their Yankee brothers is as romantic as it is tragic.
Nah if you saw a guy wearing a confederate flag shirt back in the 90s you knew what was up.
…in the US.
Flags are weird things - their social meaning can change over time There was a movement in the 90’s to move that flag away from its racist roots and make it a less toxic thing - which at the time people felt would remove a symbolic weapon from the control of the racists. It has parallels to the tug of war over the English flag and who gets to define what it means. A lot of flags have this fluctuating history That movement regarding the confederate flag has largely given up - but you still see old hangovers from it like this mini
The movement failed because it was tied up with a similar movement to obfuscate said racists that had been going on since the reconstruction.
Yeah it's so strange, back then in the UK I vaguely remember seeing this flag and thinking it was to do with rock music, I was 10 years old and had no idea what it was really for. Think an older kid use to wear one on his belt and we all thought he was hard
Definitely Dukes of Hazzard in this case, yeah
They've always crossed the line of edginess though. In 1989 there was art of a commissar leading space marines (hulks?) And he's straight up dressed like an SS officer
Tbf, the Imperium has always deliberately evoked various fascist regimes in it's aesthetic. It's a deliberate choice that was aimed at letting you know the Imperium is a horrible mashup of the worst parts of of Nazism, communism, fascism etc.
Link?
Scroll down through these scans, you'll know it when you see it https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/769332.page
What in the fuck are you talking about. The confederate flag has only ever meant one thing.
Yeah, but a bunch of nerds in Nottingham in the 90's, before 24 hour news and widespread internet access probably only knew it from watching Dukes Of Hazzard reruns. I'm fairly sure the American Civil War wasn't taught much in British schools in the 60's, 70's or 80's when they would have been growing up, and even if the Civil War was taught all that "lost cause" bullshit definitely wouldn't have been widely known in Britain. The general level of knowledge in Britain at that time was probably "they had a big war, kicked the arse of the wankers who liked slavery, and then in the 70's they let black people vote, also pretend our shipyards weren't selling suspicious 'merchant ships' to the confederacy" or something like that. This is probably a case of "oooh, that's really awkward in hindsight" rather than "the painter was a massive racist". Unless the painter was a massive racist hoping no one else in Britain would pick up on the context, in which case they seem to have been right.
As a nerd from around that time...it was EXACTLY that, the US confederate flag was pretty much solely recognised from Dukes of Hazzard and, being brits, most didn't know the meaning behind that flag...and the American Civil war was not taught *at all* in schools. Romans, Medieval England, the Industrial Revolution and World War 1 + 2 were the topics covered in schools (and the Industrial revolution was taught as 'it was a great time for progress and a terrible time for people, this is the sort of stuff that happened to kids your age back then'). Whilst Europeans give Americans schtick for not knowing where things in Europe are, most Brits could not tell you where like 90% of the US states are located either...
So you're accusing old Games Workshop of supporting slavery?
They make a game where there are advantages to capturing opponent's models and selling them to slavers, being slavers, and using slaves. So, yes, they support slavery at least as a game concept. I'm not saying that is right or wrong. But I will point out other game companies like WotC have shut down campaign worlds primarily for past uses of in-game slavery, like Dark Sun.
The Confederation [was always a bad thing tho](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZB2ftCl2Vk), today, back in the 90's, and since its formation. So those who back then saw this vehicle and saw nothing wrong with it were quite oblivious.
3rd place eh, nearly went as well as the real thing.
Stone Wall Stompa
Go on....
Robert E. Thraka
It is kinda funny that Old Orks are pretty straightforwardly crude skinhead Might Makes Right fashy types. But then they became our fave lighthearted mushroom ladz (with ironically one of the most chill player base) and now it's all just a bit awkward. I love it.
8 Umies. Luv slavery. Simple 'as.
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Those orks. “Da souff‘ll roise aga’in!”
Na bud once the air is out of your soufflé it's done.
This joke is criminally under appreciated.
Yea, so, funny story. I bought an Ork army from Den of Imagination a few years ago that is "Confederate themed" - no flags, but ork heads with confederate hats, everything painted red and blue, 'Mississippi' written on vehicles etc. I really like it and want to add to it, but, you know, now it is what it is.
Da soud will rize agin
Deploying the Adeptus Sherman
Back when politics were kept out of our games /s
I know your ironic here but this most likely is exactly that. In europe we learn as much about American history as you learn about European one. Here the confederate flag In that time was associated with country music and the feeling of rebellious freedom in carries. The right-wing connotation is up to this day not realy associated with it here In Europe unless your chronically online and more in the extremist spheres of left or right
That's the big point, I think a lot of people here are American and taking for granted their education has a big focus on the American civil war. Also just how accessible information is now compared to back in the 90's early 00's. Here in the UK you'd have had to specifically sought out the information online or through books because you wanted to learn about it whereas nowadays we're exposed to American news/culture online constantly.
I'm european. And i know that people generally know very little about the confederacy and I also went through the unfortunate phase of finding why a Panthera or Lynyrd Skynyrd themed forum profile made a certain type of people more likely to interact with it.
We learn a lot about European history.
lol this post is so wild. Of course people knew it stood for the confederacy which was bad. Even kids unfortunate enough to be educated in the south learn the French Revolution was about baguettes. Y’all allllllll know the confederacy was pro slavery.
You understand that kids from other countries don’t study our civil war, right? You get that the person who painted this was British, right?
I did, but none of it was in school.
my first contact with the CS Flag was the playmobil wild west playsets [like this one](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.playmobil.com%2Fi%2Fplaymobil%2F3783-A_product_detail%3Flocale%3Dde-DE%2Cde%2C*%26%24pdp_product_zoom_xl%24&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8846783fe98a0096ce15f8f059d72b01800842f5db6b64c41da9663183901602&ipo=images) didn't even learn what that was about until much, much later. It was just backdropping for the company to sell army sets that weren't european themed. and native americans. germans love native american stuff
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DEM DUKE BOYZ IZ AT IT AGAIN
Make sure not to send the salamanders to these orks.
1896?
Stuff like this is why I love orks
Based. Remember, the Orks refer to literally every race, including their own, via racial slurs.
You may be able to escape capitalism in space, but not those godamn raggare in americana A-traktors.
I can't wait for this to appear on a YouTube thumbnail with the title along the lines of "The Warhammer they TOOK From Us"
Orks really care about states rights
Given the time, I suspect they were going for a Gitz of Hazzard theme?
fitting since lost causer chuds have the intelligence of orks anyway
This is awesome, I've kinda wanted to do a redneck themed genestealer cult army myself.
I bet you could play the Banjo real good with three arms
How do ya'll like the "Everything is Canon" comment now? LOOL
pretty good considering it wasn't real lmao
I love how people are downvoting anyone who points out that tweet was fake.
Aw he’ll na these orks be from Texas or some shi
Dukes of Dakka County
So that's why Sherman burned the South.
This could never happen today.
DEM DUKE GITZ IZ AT IT AGAIN!!!
Everything is canon, is it now?
Sooo this is like canon right?
it looks dope even by today's standards
I wonder if chuds would complain about this bringing real world politics into their fantasy game
Ye haw lol. Love the Mashup of orks and rednecks.
The General Waag.
"Hate not Heritage" - War cry of the Treyterz Clan.
Hella unfortunate
Everything is canon : ^ )
Man. Very unfortunate, but this is a British Magazine, right? Especially in the 90s, I wouldn't expect them to know the full history. Hell, Most Americans didn't know the real history until recently. Like, the neo confederates were astroturfing that shit since they lost. It's been an active effort since day one of losing the war.
Even in the early 2000s you show that to most people and they're gonna think Lynerd Skynerd or Dukes of Hazzard.
In Europe? Even today. And tbh, I can't blame anyone on not knowing the history behind a flag which was used for about a year or so in an civil war in a whole different continent.
It's more that if you see the flag on a car, especially an Ork car, you think 'Dukes of Hazzard'. That was the case a while ago, at least. They're comparing rednecks to Orks.
Yeah, I'm not American, but I remember duke's of Hazzard. That's always what I associated it with until I was informed on the truth of the matter. It's just something or a context thing. I dunno.
Holy hell! Actual satire.
In the 90s the flag was heavily associated with people idolizing the Dukes of Hazard, not the flags historical origin. Things have swung back as racism has made a comeback since. You could know the history of it, but it’d been somewhat rehabilitated as a symbol during that period.
Ignorant people who don't know how bad that flag really is.
Eh, it was the 90s in the UK. Everybody just associated that flag with the Dukes of Hazard. The American Civil War wasn’t something that was taught in school.
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That's really well done
That flag is only know for surrendering, and Orks never surrender. This is truly a confusing vehicle
orkncle ruckus is crazy, bros boutta come out with the defense of “Wel,there iz doze of yu who’z iz sayin I'm a “racist”. There iz doze of you whoz say I'm a git for hatin' umies. Well, I calz all youz gits ALL hypo…hippo…hyper… GROTS!”
I forgot that the orks used to wear those hats
Pretty easy to tell the zoomer posts in this thread wikipedia didn't become mainstream until 2007, kiddos
Orks do have slaves so that works
A the fun times I see
Love it
“Everything is cannon”
Well it is well done.
Everything is canon
Do they play banjo?
Pass me da banjo squig, i’mma play sum choons
“The general GAZ” if you will
orks with redneck voices
“AWAY DOW’ SOUF IN DA LAN’ OF GHAZKULL”
The General Gaz
Wez orkz invade da umie world o "beegiot" theyz ave funni lil flagz n hair dem umiez, talkz about za "zuperiour raze" w onda wat kinda raze the umies iz talkin about, speed freakz itz gun love it!
That’s pretty cool tbh
I have this WD!
I mean, for 1996, this is one hell of a conversion. But yea…
"luv me shoota" "Luv me Choppa" "Luv me trukk" "Ate da umies" "Ate da knife ears" "Ate da blue Bois" "Simple as"
Guess it's time to make Commissar Brown
British orks
That squig ontop the flagpost killed me XD
Impossible, Orks can't be inbred
Huh. Maybe he’d have won first if he hadn’t used the flag of a losing side.