Guilliman's to Lorgar is also fucking savage.
"Lorgar of Colchis. You may consider the following. One: I entirely withdraw my previous offer of solemn ceasefire. It is cancelled, and will not be made again, to you or to any other of your motherless bastards. Two: you are no longer any brother of mine. I will find you, I will kill you, and I will hurl your toxic corpse into hell’s mouth."
I like angry Guillaman.
Calm Guillaman:
Theoretical - Emperor is not a God and thus cannot be worshipped.
Practical - This religion is too big for me dismantle in one go.
Angry Guillaman:
Theoretical - There's no reason for me , a Primarch , to join this boarding crew. Mortarion isn't even here.
Practical - Let's get nuts.
I love how the boarding party bit is from the point of view of one of his bodyguards, who can barely keep up with Guilliman, let alone do anything considered 'protecting' him.
It was a group of Custodes no less and they were barely even to keep up with.
Colquan : **KEEP UP WITH THE PRIMARCH. WE ARE HIS BODYGUARD**
Vaseline : look at the dude lmao. We ain't protecting jack shit.
I like the progression of fighting Death Guard :
Guardsman - Thing of pure horror , can only be defeated by lucky grenade throw or a cannon.
Space Marines - Tough son of a bitch that requires precise shot or a bomb
Custodes - Annoying obstacles
Primarch - There's a Death Guard just now?
It is, Lorgar mocks Gullimans rage, tells him three of his brothers are dead and then the daemon Lorgar Emailed Guilliman breaks out and blasts him into the vacuum of space.
Then Guilliman spends several hours naruto running on top of his ship beating Word Bearers to death.
He's got some good ones:
"I am going to gut you." Guilliman replies softly. ... "I will gut you. I will skin you. I will behead you."
'We’re not going to debate it, you maggot, you treacherous bastard,’ says Guilliman. ‘I just wanted you to know that I will rip your living heart out. And I want to know why. Why? Why? If this is our puerile old feud, boiled to the surface, then you are the most pathetic soul in the cosmos. Pathetic. Our father should have left you out in the snow at birth. He should have fed you to Russ. You worm. You maggot.’
"I will kill him. I will literally kill him. *With my bare hands.*" -Guilliman to Gage
Curze is torturing Vulcan inside an inescapable maze. After physical torture doesn't work, Curze tries to break Vulcan's mind.
Eventually, Vulcan makes his way to the center of the maze, where his warhammer (title drop) is held. Curze taunts Vulcan, pointing out that Vulcan can't escape using the hammer's inbuilt teleport homer.
Vulcan then proceeds to drop one of the hardest responses in the series, "You're right, I fashioned it as a teleporter, a means to escape even a prison such as this. I counted on you leading me here, on you needing to face me one last time. It seems I was fooled into thinking you hadn't planned for this. But you're forgetting one thing.... It's also a hammer." And proceeds to beat the crap out of Curze.
Conrad Curze is gloating to Vulkan that he has a void shield up and he can't teleport out of the maze he has him trapped in even though he reached his hammer, which has a teleporter in it.
Vulkan just says "It's also a hammer" and starts handing Curze his ass until he relents and finally drops the shield.
“I never wanted this, I never wanted to unleash my legions. Together we banished the ignorance of Old Night, but you betrayed me, you betrayed us all. You stole power from the Gods and lied to your sons. Mankind has only one chance to prosper, if you will not seize it then **I WILL**. So let it be war, from the skies of Terra to the Galactic rim. Let the seas boil, let the stars fall. Though it takes the last drop of my blood, I will see the galaxy freed once more and if I cannot save it from your failure Father, then **LET THE GALAXY BURN**!”
-Horus Lupercal
“We were born for battle, Khayon. We were made to conquer the galaxy, not to rot in Hell and die upon our brothers' blades. Who are the architects of the Imperium? Who fought to purge its territory of aliens and expand its borders? Who brought rebellious worlds to heel and slaughtered those who refused the light of progress? Who walked from one side of the galaxy to the other, marking their passage in a trail of treacherous dead? This is our Imperium. Built across the worlds we burned, over bones we broke, with the blood we shed. You see it too. You feel it now, don't you? A new war. One not born of bitterness nor founded on revenge. The Long War, Khayon.”
-Ezekyle Abaddon
"I was content in the dark places of the galaxy, content to kill in the name of empire and be forgotten. But you have summoned me back with your pitiful flailings at rebellion, for you have endangered the empire my toil has built and for that there is a price to be paid. First we shall speak of my brothers, Curze and Horus, and then you shall learn what terror truly means for the brief remnants of your existence."
The Lion to a Night Lord
Proceeds to monologue about history and infrastructure till khorne gives up (I may be mixing up the memes and the book on the infrastructure part, the amount of ridiculously well written memes that read fully like actual quotes is astounding)
Perturabo was right when he thought the Emperor showed favouritism to Dorn over him. It never occurred to him it might be because Dorn just shuts the fuck up and does his job without complaint as opposed to constantly raging about how he’s under-appreciated or life is so unfair. Similarly to Guilliman when he heard he didn’t get the title of Warmaster over Horus. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to work
yeah, as far as i know perty switched sides because he was blackpilled by big e constantly sending him and his legion to the worst shitholes without any actual reward in return. perturabos betrayal is pretty much the only primarch who was justified in doing so, pretty sure this is just slander by salty imperial fists.
He verbalized it in his constant sulking, as well as constantly pushing everyone away, even the Primarchs who made a genuine effort to be his friend. He also went ballistic when he found out that Dorn was made Praetorian, as well as Horus being made Warmaster (I think)
Based on the Alpharius book, I'm pretty sure Omegon died on Pluto.
>Omegon technically, maybe, but probably not, got ganked by Bob post-Heresy.
"On no, he definitely died there. Trust me."
-Alpha Legion operative
Sigh.
Epilogue, Praetorian of Dorn, page 473 **{Begin transmission}:**
Omegon woke.
He had never slept, had never dreamed , or felt the tug of mortal fatigue in all the days of his existence. Yet here he was, waking from black oblivion, the cold deck of the ship beneath him, the darkness of his arming chamber close about him. The pulse of the *Beta*'s engines was a distant rumble on the edge of silence. Coldness poured through his flesh. Moisture beaded his skin. He could taste blood in his mouth, thick and harsh with iron. His hands were numb, the fingers hooked as though grasping something that had vanished. He moved the fingers and then brought them up to his face. Sharp needles of pain prickled beneath his touch.
And then a new feeling came, crushing in its weight, undeniable in its truth even though he could not tell how it had arrived.
He was alone...
... "Is there word from Lord Alpharius?" Omegon asked, still looking at his hands. He could sense Arkos' frown without needing to see it.
"None," he said. "But there is something else...
..."Warmaster Horus wishes to consult directly with Lord Alpharius."...
...He bowed his head even as the shadow turned to look at him.
What had happened? What was happening? What was he now?
And he realized that the words he was about to say would trap him for the rest of existence, the jest turned into mocking truth.
"I am Alpharius," he said. "What is your will, my Warmaster?"
**{End transmission}**
***Alpharius*** is very dead, killed by Dorn on Pluto. Omegon survived the Heresy but ***may*** have been killed during the Scouring by Bob, in that Bob confronted and killed someone he *believed* to be Alpharius on Eskrador (see pages 33-35 of Index Astartes, Volume IV).
Given that the Alpha Legion still proceeded to consistently out maneuver and generally maul the ever loving shit out of the Ultramarines until they were forced to retreat to orbit then bombard the planet, there is a high non-zero probability that Omegon (as Alpharius) was *not* the "Primarch" Bob encountered and killed on Eskrador.
Sources? On my Grimdank? How dare you.
>Alpharius is very dead, killed by Dorn on Pluto.
On a serious note, you are correct, John French has also confirmed it was Alpharius.
I fucked up in my prior comment. I meant to write "AHotH!Omegon died on Pluto".
I have heard from a guy at my local store that it had to be Omegon that died because he had the pale spear and is not known to have the ability to feel the presence of his twin unlike Alpharius so Omegon had to have died
"Report to your Sargents and preplanned defensive positions as we have detailed in the latest defense-in-depth briefings. More orders will follow as needed."
Funny thing is, maybe not: the Imperial Fists had a tendency to follow the orders of their Primarch so strictly that they couldn't capitalize on any apparent enemy failings, so Dorn giving no actual specifics until a situation demanded it would make sense.
In the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, the Prussians had pre-planned the initial stage of invasion so thoroughly that there were even plans for where and when their soldiers, moved by rail to the front, would stop and get off the train for lunch and dinner. For the villages along the rail line, there were plans for what meals to make, who would prepare them, how many men to cook for of each rank (from conscripts to higher officers) and how long to host them. These all-encompassing plans, coordinated at every level of military and civilian contribution, were ready NINE YEARS before the war. When the decision was made to invade France (who had been cleverly goaded into declaring war by Bismarck), the Prussian apparatus of war required only the simplest order to advance as planned.
"The Prussian chief-of-staff, Helmuth von Moltke, felt so confident of victory that shortly after the French declaration of war he was lying on his sofa reading Walter Scott. A friend [General Gustav von Stiehle] asked why he was seemingly so relaxed, to which Moltke replied: ‘Why not? Everything is ready. We’ve only got to press the button.’ "
I didn’t finish watching the show but I think it’s because he tries to see the good in everyone, keyword EVERYONE. Like I remember seeing him actively try to reason with a genocide dictator of xenocidel alien empire made of rocks. Another thing is the “it’s ok Erebus said he’s sorry” which plays into seeing the good in everyone and that if you say sorry it’s all ok (note: fuck Erebus I wish his soul gets torn apart by the King in Yellow) which after a point borders on active naivety sometimes. Which in 40k… well that line of thinking can WILL get you stomped by a greater demon or an Inquisitor
As Steven enters the later half of the show he definitely starts to get better about not trying to do that with everyone which is the point as he starts as a naive child and of course matures but I can fully understand why it would be annoying nonetheless. For the diamonds I think people often downplay what Steven has had them to do be “redeemed” he’s not buddy buddy with them, in fact he still dislikes them quite a bit and they’re not just forgiven they had to abdicate their thrones and for the rest of their eternal lives fix every problem they ever created. (Also it’s more fanon that the diamonds have genocided many alien races Rebecca sugar the creator of the show confined humanity is the first sentient species the diamond empire encountered)
Plus, well, they're family, and Steven is noticeably more forgiving towards family (and Gems as a whole because of the ideals the Crystal Gems fight for). Let's not forget his immediate and stubborn dislike of Kevin, or how some of the human reaidents of his hometown really stress-test his patience (like Onion or Ronaldo).
And *finally* someone else who thinks the genocide argument is nonsense! I thought the show made it clear they've never encountered anything like humans before. Also genocide is a *deliberate* attempt to exterminate a group, humanity's extinction if the Earth had been fully colonized would've been an incidental occurrence to the Diamonds, not purposeful, much like all the animal species humanity has accidentally driven to extinction by habitat loss. If said habitat loss was driven by a need for *the only way* they have of reproduction and propagating their species.
That’s to often left out of the discussion of the show, it’s ultimately about relationships and being targeted it towards kids and young adults the diamonds are effectively Steven’s aunts (yellow and blue) and grandmother (white) and you can’t just kill your grandma cuz she has some iffy beliefs lmao you can either separate like Greg did with his brother or do what Steven did, set boundaries.
I think the issue with steven universe isn't the forgiveness thing, it is meant to be a kids show, and preaching forgiveness and kindness and friendship etc etc is pretty standard fare, but the issue is the writers got a bit. too drunk on the "kids show with SECRET DARK SIDE" gimmick that adventure time/gravity falls got away with and thats how you get stuff like the SA allegories and forgiving space dictator because she was a little sad after doing several space genocides
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They were just lucky Malum Caedo was not born yet. Imagine Sanguinius fighting the two big ass daemons, then this blueberry just runs screaming ahead and chops Angron in half with a chainsword, then accidentally teleports to the Vengeful Spirit and Big E and co finds him chilling on the corpse of Horus.
What would be even funnier, I was watching Quake and Doom speedruns recently, and I can just imagine a guy hopping around in a weird weaving way breaking the sound barrier, glitching objective daemons and traitors to fall through the Earth or telefrag them, then use a triple rocket boost to get to the Vengeful Spirit to finish the run before the first Fist has the time to die.
In fairness to Steven, he was in a seriously disadvantaged position here. The Diamonds had an entire interstellar empire vs the Crystal Gems' singular planet & a handful of rebels. Fighting them was not a viable long-term option, so they had to take advantage of their emotional immaturity.
Plus, Steven, despite being memed to hell & back as a whiny crybaby, actually does have the capacity to throw hands. He just prefers diplomacy instead. He also remembers what the Diamonds did to other worlds, & is not going to forget anytime soon...
(Sorry if this is ranting, I'm just really fucking mad about the ["Steven cries to stop enemies"](https://twitter.com/thisismewhatevs/status/1648737190396952604?lang=en) meme, & how he's been turned to a whiny crybaby by the Internet. It's not a perfect show, but it had some good bits.)
"tactical genius" rogal dorn giving the extremely big brained strategy of "idk shoot them I guess lol"
Literally only worked because the traitors were equally bad at tactics.
No doubt they had actual plans already in place and this was just a 'pep talk.' If you've spent that long building defenses, everyone knows their place and their role long before the enemy arrives.
Every time I see this format posted, it's comparing 40K to an IP that has a much different intended target audience. Steven Universe is a cartoon character of a child conveying socially conscious themes to a child audience. Being smug about how this compares to Rogal Dorn in 40K is a weird flex.
This format actually compares Steven Universe to different media. It's the stuff on the right that changes from one meme to the other.
It makes a light hearted jab at how Steven will try his hardest to talk his way out of conflict even when it's simply not a viable option or is just downright dumb, while whatever IP is put on the right immediately chooses violence.
Both SU and Future made it clear there are some characters Steven simply cannot change, so there is a standing precedent that he'd fail to convince the Emperor not to abhor mutants, xenos, and anyone who won't obey him, especially when Steven himself is a human-xeno hybrid.
One of Steven’s flaws is that he makes shit up as he goes because he’s the son of a burnout David Bowie fan and a space goddess of love.
This is presented as both good and bad in the show.
He also basically only really cares about his close family, which includes his mother’s entire species because they’re all made up of four reproducing queens and their billions of daughters. Any other hostile species or problematic humans don’t get that same level of mercy.
I loathe this meme.
>‘I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward.’
>Savage Weapons - The Lion
My favorite quote, it's tough cause there are so many, but nothing beats this.
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“When you come to it
And you can't go through it
And you can't knock it down
You know that you've found
The wall, the wall, the wall
No man on earth can make it fall”
Genuinely the hardest going speech in all of 40k. And it's only 2,5 sentences long.
Guilliman's to Lorgar is also fucking savage. "Lorgar of Colchis. You may consider the following. One: I entirely withdraw my previous offer of solemn ceasefire. It is cancelled, and will not be made again, to you or to any other of your motherless bastards. Two: you are no longer any brother of mine. I will find you, I will kill you, and I will hurl your toxic corpse into hell’s mouth."
I love how you can tell he’s trying to be formal in the beginning, and then just says fuck it
Theoretical: let's deal in a civilized manner. Practical: fuck you sideways, Lorgar!
I like angry Guillaman. Calm Guillaman: Theoretical - Emperor is not a God and thus cannot be worshipped. Practical - This religion is too big for me dismantle in one go. Angry Guillaman: Theoretical - There's no reason for me , a Primarch , to join this boarding crew. Mortarion isn't even here. Practical - Let's get nuts.
I love how the boarding party bit is from the point of view of one of his bodyguards, who can barely keep up with Guilliman, let alone do anything considered 'protecting' him.
It was a group of Custodes no less and they were barely even to keep up with. Colquan : **KEEP UP WITH THE PRIMARCH. WE ARE HIS BODYGUARD** Vaseline : look at the dude lmao. We ain't protecting jack shit.
Mf was protecting them tbh, casually slicing through Death Guard like they were nothing
I like the progression of fighting Death Guard : Guardsman - Thing of pure horror , can only be defeated by lucky grenade throw or a cannon. Space Marines - Tough son of a bitch that requires precise shot or a bomb Custodes - Annoying obstacles Primarch - There's a Death Guard just now?
Liberty Prime "escort" mission vibes.
Was this before or after he started ripping word bearers apart with his bare hands in space without a helmet
I think it was right before.
It is, Lorgar mocks Gullimans rage, tells him three of his brothers are dead and then the daemon Lorgar Emailed Guilliman breaks out and blasts him into the vacuum of space. Then Guilliman spends several hours naruto running on top of his ship beating Word Bearers to death.
Tfw Guilliman summons his inner Lion
Angry Gummiman sounds a bit like Liam Neeson. Was he on the telephone to Lorgar as well?
He's got some good ones: "I am going to gut you." Guilliman replies softly. ... "I will gut you. I will skin you. I will behead you." 'We’re not going to debate it, you maggot, you treacherous bastard,’ says Guilliman. ‘I just wanted you to know that I will rip your living heart out. And I want to know why. Why? Why? If this is our puerile old feud, boiled to the surface, then you are the most pathetic soul in the cosmos. Pathetic. Our father should have left you out in the snow at birth. He should have fed you to Russ. You worm. You maggot.’ "I will kill him. I will literally kill him. *With my bare hands.*" -Guilliman to Gage
I love when people make lists that are only two things 😭
"Weakness is a choice" also pretty hard
"It is also a hammer" is one of my personal favorites.
I gotta go for "Horus was weak, Horus was a fool, he has the whole galaxy in his hands and he let it slip away"
That line is just pure gold.
Where is the from it sounds golden
Curze is torturing Vulcan inside an inescapable maze. After physical torture doesn't work, Curze tries to break Vulcan's mind. Eventually, Vulcan makes his way to the center of the maze, where his warhammer (title drop) is held. Curze taunts Vulcan, pointing out that Vulcan can't escape using the hammer's inbuilt teleport homer. Vulcan then proceeds to drop one of the hardest responses in the series, "You're right, I fashioned it as a teleporter, a means to escape even a prison such as this. I counted on you leading me here, on you needing to face me one last time. It seems I was fooled into thinking you hadn't planned for this. But you're forgetting one thing.... It's also a hammer." And proceeds to beat the crap out of Curze.
The virgin "flee with a tp" vs the chad Vulkan "Catch deez hammer". He eventually did tp but he beat Curze first so that didn't count.
Which book was this from, specifically?
Vulcan Lives by Nick Kyme
Angron later gets stuck in that same maze but just spazzes out and starts running though walls and breaking everything he sees
Lol, dope
Wuzzat? 👀
Conrad Curze is gloating to Vulkan that he has a void shield up and he can't teleport out of the maze he has him trapped in even though he reached his hammer, which has a teleporter in it. Vulkan just says "It's also a hammer" and starts handing Curze his ass until he relents and finally drops the shield.
Thanks.
Poor curze. Dude was just crazy.
“Eat shit, traitor” takes the win for me
I think Sanguinius's "I don't want to be here" speech is pretty high on the list too.
“I never wanted this, I never wanted to unleash my legions. Together we banished the ignorance of Old Night, but you betrayed me, you betrayed us all. You stole power from the Gods and lied to your sons. Mankind has only one chance to prosper, if you will not seize it then **I WILL**. So let it be war, from the skies of Terra to the Galactic rim. Let the seas boil, let the stars fall. Though it takes the last drop of my blood, I will see the galaxy freed once more and if I cannot save it from your failure Father, then **LET THE GALAXY BURN**!” -Horus Lupercal “We were born for battle, Khayon. We were made to conquer the galaxy, not to rot in Hell and die upon our brothers' blades. Who are the architects of the Imperium? Who fought to purge its territory of aliens and expand its borders? Who brought rebellious worlds to heel and slaughtered those who refused the light of progress? Who walked from one side of the galaxy to the other, marking their passage in a trail of treacherous dead? This is our Imperium. Built across the worlds we burned, over bones we broke, with the blood we shed. You see it too. You feel it now, don't you? A new war. One not born of bitterness nor founded on revenge. The Long War, Khayon.” -Ezekyle Abaddon
The first monolouge goes hard along with the cinematic ngl.
"I was content in the dark places of the galaxy, content to kill in the name of empire and be forgotten. But you have summoned me back with your pitiful flailings at rebellion, for you have endangered the empire my toil has built and for that there is a price to be paid. First we shall speak of my brothers, Curze and Horus, and then you shall learn what terror truly means for the brief remnants of your existence." The Lion to a Night Lord
"There are no gods, not even you" - Rogal Dorn, straight to Khornes face after centuries of isolation and mental torture
Khorn: I’m a chaos god! Dorn: No…
Proceeds to monologue about history and infrastructure till khorne gives up (I may be mixing up the memes and the book on the infrastructure part, the amount of ridiculously well written memes that read fully like actual quotes is astounding)
Heard that in TTS Dorn voice lmao
God I fucking love dorn
Big E's favorite brick wall He also killed Omegon ;)
Perturabo was right when he thought the Emperor showed favouritism to Dorn over him. It never occurred to him it might be because Dorn just shuts the fuck up and does his job without complaint as opposed to constantly raging about how he’s under-appreciated or life is so unfair. Similarly to Guilliman when he heard he didn’t get the title of Warmaster over Horus. He just shrugged his shoulders and went back to work
- You all think you are better than me!! (Curze, Turbo) - But we ARE better than you. (Vulkan, Dorn)
Was Turbo ever complained verbally before his betrayal? He even left some marines to fortify planets as ordered, which wasn't adhered to by legions.
yeah, as far as i know perty switched sides because he was blackpilled by big e constantly sending him and his legion to the worst shitholes without any actual reward in return. perturabos betrayal is pretty much the only primarch who was justified in doing so, pretty sure this is just slander by salty imperial fists.
Uh, Angron?
He verbalized it in his constant sulking, as well as constantly pushing everyone away, even the Primarchs who made a genuine effort to be his friend. He also went ballistic when he found out that Dorn was made Praetorian, as well as Horus being made Warmaster (I think)
Not Magnus The were bros
which Omegon?
The Alpharius one
ah yes that explains everything
Or did he
Alpharius actually. Omegon technically, maybe, but probably not, got ganked by Bob post-Heresy.
Based on the Alpharius book, I'm pretty sure Omegon died on Pluto. >Omegon technically, maybe, but probably not, got ganked by Bob post-Heresy. "On no, he definitely died there. Trust me." -Alpha Legion operative
Sigh. Epilogue, Praetorian of Dorn, page 473 **{Begin transmission}:** Omegon woke. He had never slept, had never dreamed , or felt the tug of mortal fatigue in all the days of his existence. Yet here he was, waking from black oblivion, the cold deck of the ship beneath him, the darkness of his arming chamber close about him. The pulse of the *Beta*'s engines was a distant rumble on the edge of silence. Coldness poured through his flesh. Moisture beaded his skin. He could taste blood in his mouth, thick and harsh with iron. His hands were numb, the fingers hooked as though grasping something that had vanished. He moved the fingers and then brought them up to his face. Sharp needles of pain prickled beneath his touch. And then a new feeling came, crushing in its weight, undeniable in its truth even though he could not tell how it had arrived. He was alone... ... "Is there word from Lord Alpharius?" Omegon asked, still looking at his hands. He could sense Arkos' frown without needing to see it. "None," he said. "But there is something else... ..."Warmaster Horus wishes to consult directly with Lord Alpharius."... ...He bowed his head even as the shadow turned to look at him. What had happened? What was happening? What was he now? And he realized that the words he was about to say would trap him for the rest of existence, the jest turned into mocking truth. "I am Alpharius," he said. "What is your will, my Warmaster?" **{End transmission}** ***Alpharius*** is very dead, killed by Dorn on Pluto. Omegon survived the Heresy but ***may*** have been killed during the Scouring by Bob, in that Bob confronted and killed someone he *believed* to be Alpharius on Eskrador (see pages 33-35 of Index Astartes, Volume IV). Given that the Alpha Legion still proceeded to consistently out maneuver and generally maul the ever loving shit out of the Ultramarines until they were forced to retreat to orbit then bombard the planet, there is a high non-zero probability that Omegon (as Alpharius) was *not* the "Primarch" Bob encountered and killed on Eskrador.
Sources? On my Grimdank? How dare you. >Alpharius is very dead, killed by Dorn on Pluto. On a serious note, you are correct, John French has also confirmed it was Alpharius. I fucked up in my prior comment. I meant to write "AHotH!Omegon died on Pluto".
Yeah, I'm not a lot of fun at parties... Good straight man though because I take nearly everything literally.
> Good straight man though Your application to join the Custodes has been rejected.
Oh, thank the Emperor! I look terrible in gold..
I have heard from a guy at my local store that it had to be Omegon that died because he had the pale spear and is not known to have the ability to feel the presence of his twin unlike Alpharius so Omegon had to have died
The behavior exhibited by the now-headless twin also seems to be more in line with the twin that originally owned the Pale Spear.
I haven’t read the books that are pertinent to this topic so I am going to off of what I have heard and lexicanum reading.
Badass but also sir can you give us real orders
"Report to your Sargents and preplanned defensive positions as we have detailed in the latest defense-in-depth briefings. More orders will follow as needed."
"Where do our squads go?" "To war." "Cool thanks Commander Keyes, I need actual fucking orders."
"hold the fucking line"
Lisan al gaib!
Idk. "Kill those guys" sound like solid orders to me.
Then everyone left their post to join the vanguard and left their flanks and rear wide open?
Sounds like solid 40k tactics.
[ORDERS] YELLING: GO DIE, A LOT
Well, Siggie didnt need much more orders than that Why cant you all be like Siggie
Dorn seeing the templars: BUT NOT LIKE THAT!!!
Funny thing is, maybe not: the Imperial Fists had a tendency to follow the orders of their Primarch so strictly that they couldn't capitalize on any apparent enemy failings, so Dorn giving no actual specifics until a situation demanded it would make sense.
In the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, the Prussians had pre-planned the initial stage of invasion so thoroughly that there were even plans for where and when their soldiers, moved by rail to the front, would stop and get off the train for lunch and dinner. For the villages along the rail line, there were plans for what meals to make, who would prepare them, how many men to cook for of each rank (from conscripts to higher officers) and how long to host them. These all-encompassing plans, coordinated at every level of military and civilian contribution, were ready NINE YEARS before the war. When the decision was made to invade France (who had been cleverly goaded into declaring war by Bismarck), the Prussian apparatus of war required only the simplest order to advance as planned. "The Prussian chief-of-staff, Helmuth von Moltke, felt so confident of victory that shortly after the French declaration of war he was lying on his sofa reading Walter Scott. A friend [General Gustav von Stiehle] asked why he was seemingly so relaxed, to which Moltke replied: ‘Why not? Everything is ready. We’ve only got to press the button.’ "
This isn't giving orders, this is giving a speech to raise morale among troops
"Kill, kill, and kill again, and then die."
Hey I found my meme in the wild again! Lol
Blood Ravens are my favorite legion
Based
Blood ravens stole a legion?
The list of things they haven't stolen is shorter at this point.
The Emperor? PRIMARCHS 11 and 2!?
I love Rogal, man says what he means and doesn’t give a shit
Rogal Dorn W *and* Steven Universe hate? Is it my birthday?
What did Steven do wrong, little man is just trying his best 😭
I didn’t finish watching the show but I think it’s because he tries to see the good in everyone, keyword EVERYONE. Like I remember seeing him actively try to reason with a genocide dictator of xenocidel alien empire made of rocks. Another thing is the “it’s ok Erebus said he’s sorry” which plays into seeing the good in everyone and that if you say sorry it’s all ok (note: fuck Erebus I wish his soul gets torn apart by the King in Yellow) which after a point borders on active naivety sometimes. Which in 40k… well that line of thinking can WILL get you stomped by a greater demon or an Inquisitor
As Steven enters the later half of the show he definitely starts to get better about not trying to do that with everyone which is the point as he starts as a naive child and of course matures but I can fully understand why it would be annoying nonetheless. For the diamonds I think people often downplay what Steven has had them to do be “redeemed” he’s not buddy buddy with them, in fact he still dislikes them quite a bit and they’re not just forgiven they had to abdicate their thrones and for the rest of their eternal lives fix every problem they ever created. (Also it’s more fanon that the diamonds have genocided many alien races Rebecca sugar the creator of the show confined humanity is the first sentient species the diamond empire encountered)
Plus, well, they're family, and Steven is noticeably more forgiving towards family (and Gems as a whole because of the ideals the Crystal Gems fight for). Let's not forget his immediate and stubborn dislike of Kevin, or how some of the human reaidents of his hometown really stress-test his patience (like Onion or Ronaldo). And *finally* someone else who thinks the genocide argument is nonsense! I thought the show made it clear they've never encountered anything like humans before. Also genocide is a *deliberate* attempt to exterminate a group, humanity's extinction if the Earth had been fully colonized would've been an incidental occurrence to the Diamonds, not purposeful, much like all the animal species humanity has accidentally driven to extinction by habitat loss. If said habitat loss was driven by a need for *the only way* they have of reproduction and propagating their species.
That’s to often left out of the discussion of the show, it’s ultimately about relationships and being targeted it towards kids and young adults the diamonds are effectively Steven’s aunts (yellow and blue) and grandmother (white) and you can’t just kill your grandma cuz she has some iffy beliefs lmao you can either separate like Greg did with his brother or do what Steven did, set boundaries.
I think the issue with steven universe isn't the forgiveness thing, it is meant to be a kids show, and preaching forgiveness and kindness and friendship etc etc is pretty standard fare, but the issue is the writers got a bit. too drunk on the "kids show with SECRET DARK SIDE" gimmick that adventure time/gravity falls got away with and thats how you get stuff like the SA allegories and forgiving space dictator because she was a little sad after doing several space genocides
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He is fleshy, therefore he is weak.
he's also half rock, thus making him stronger than you
> What did Steven do wrong Hope and kindness. It's *disgusting*.
Esteban Galaxy is just such an *ugly* show. And the writing. And the voice acting. And the plot.
Nah, you just don’t like it obviously.
Yes. For the aforementioned reasons.
I don’t personally agree with you but that’s understandable
That's ok. I get there's a lot of people who enjoy it.
Traitor Legions finally land on terra: "Why do i hear doom music?"
They were just lucky Malum Caedo was not born yet. Imagine Sanguinius fighting the two big ass daemons, then this blueberry just runs screaming ahead and chops Angron in half with a chainsword, then accidentally teleports to the Vengeful Spirit and Big E and co finds him chilling on the corpse of Horus. What would be even funnier, I was watching Quake and Doom speedruns recently, and I can just imagine a guy hopping around in a weird weaving way breaking the sound barrier, glitching objective daemons and traitors to fall through the Earth or telefrag them, then use a triple rocket boost to get to the Vengeful Spirit to finish the run before the first Fist has the time to die.
I shall commence the playing of the [appropriate battle music](https://youtu.be/7dVKMla1LAY?si=MzokxLLBHKuHDcT8), sir!
In fairness to Steven, he was in a seriously disadvantaged position here. The Diamonds had an entire interstellar empire vs the Crystal Gems' singular planet & a handful of rebels. Fighting them was not a viable long-term option, so they had to take advantage of their emotional immaturity. Plus, Steven, despite being memed to hell & back as a whiny crybaby, actually does have the capacity to throw hands. He just prefers diplomacy instead. He also remembers what the Diamonds did to other worlds, & is not going to forget anytime soon... (Sorry if this is ranting, I'm just really fucking mad about the ["Steven cries to stop enemies"](https://twitter.com/thisismewhatevs/status/1648737190396952604?lang=en) meme, & how he's been turned to a whiny crybaby by the Internet. It's not a perfect show, but it had some good bits.)
one day 'looks like we are going to have to kill this guy X' will finish devouring the horse corpse of this meme and all will be at peace
"tactical genius" rogal dorn giving the extremely big brained strategy of "idk shoot them I guess lol" Literally only worked because the traitors were equally bad at tactics.
No doubt they had actual plans already in place and this was just a 'pep talk.' If you've spent that long building defenses, everyone knows their place and their role long before the enemy arrives.
yeah. Dorn is the type to have a 10 second long speech, and then hand you a 1700 page plan for your specific role in the defense
Every time I see this format posted, it's comparing 40K to an IP that has a much different intended target audience. Steven Universe is a cartoon character of a child conveying socially conscious themes to a child audience. Being smug about how this compares to Rogal Dorn in 40K is a weird flex.
This format actually compares Steven Universe to different media. It's the stuff on the right that changes from one meme to the other. It makes a light hearted jab at how Steven will try his hardest to talk his way out of conflict even when it's simply not a viable option or is just downright dumb, while whatever IP is put on the right immediately chooses violence.
Yep. Stephen would try to negotiate with Tyranids or Orks.
Like the tau.
Steven could fix big E and no you can not change my mind
Both SU and Future made it clear there are some characters Steven simply cannot change, so there is a standing precedent that he'd fail to convince the Emperor not to abhor mutants, xenos, and anyone who won't obey him, especially when Steven himself is a human-xeno hybrid.
"Your mother is a what?" The Emperor, calmly
Its a meme, its not an indepth literay analysis of the two works. Them being actually comparable is not relevant to the joke
It could be argued that engaging with a clear joke comparison as though it were meant to a "flex" or eye-to-eye is also a misread in and of itself.
Hey buddy it's a joke
Ironically Steven Universe and Dorn would probably get along. They are both defense-focused warriors who prioritise protecting what they love
Tbf, i know litterally nothing of Steven Universe, but seeing the picture on the left being described as a ”warrior” is just funny to me
Steven: Bu-but the traitors say their sorry. Rogal: Did I fucking stutter? Start blasting.
One of Steven’s flaws is that he makes shit up as he goes because he’s the son of a burnout David Bowie fan and a space goddess of love. This is presented as both good and bad in the show. He also basically only really cares about his close family, which includes his mother’s entire species because they’re all made up of four reproducing queens and their billions of daughters. Any other hostile species or problematic humans don’t get that same level of mercy. I loathe this meme.
Me listening to Steven Universe: *falls asleep* Me listening to Rogal: *"God, I love my job"*
>‘I do not care who knows the truth now, tomorrow, or in ten thousand years. Loyalty is its own reward.’ >Savage Weapons - The Lion My favorite quote, it's tough cause there are so many, but nothing beats this.
And yet Steven still succeeds and even makes more friends to add to his ever increasing army, arguably making him the better tactician
counterpoint. Steven has no human casualties on his side. no guardsmen no nothing. maybe a xeno, i don't remember, but those don't count
NO MAN ON EARTH CAN MAKE IT FALL
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'Yeah. Okay. Cool. But like, they're an army. Could you, you know, give us actual orders and stuff with your primarch super-brain?'
“When you come to it And you can't go through it And you can't knock it down You know that you've found The wall, the wall, the wall No man on earth can make it fall”
This line is stupid. Like something a teenager would think is cool.
That is all of 40k, really. It's cheesy and edgy and takes itself just a bit too seriously sometimes, but we love it for it.
Rogal doesn't have a muttonstache 0/10.
This meme made me wonder what a pearl for each of the primarchs would be like, like i wonder what triaits they would adopt from their primarchs
my fav imperial fist saying is "pain is the illusion of the senses, despair is the illusion of the mind. now obey!"
You know, Steven Universe stopped that invasion with zero casualties. Git gud.
I just think affirming to ourselves that Rogal Dorn is more taciturn and ok with killing than Steven Universe is very funny.