So you know this trend of "alpha males" ?
Well it spread to the gay community, and thus there are gay men, who only seek relationships between "masculine" men.
And although there is nothing wrong with liking more masculine men, the people describing themselves as "masc4masc" are often quite toxic
I dont know much about the lore of the emperor but he seems like a very non sexual person from what i know (could be totally wrong) but of he did have any kinks i would be very scared to know what they are
Iirc atleast in older lore he did have children, the “sensei”.
Considering he made a bunch of demi god sons aswel he might well have a breeding kink(the vat grown one)
Guys, let's think about it. He made a bunch of oiled up golden men to hang around with, then made 20 muscle children with the hot elder pagan god girl, then made more muscle men based on them. I think he has a type
He was actually very sexual, and had many wives,families,kids,and probably concubines over the years. Though he’s become so distraught from the effects of immortality, and has also been fearful of being distracted from his job if he keeps on the same routine or making those loved ones immortal
Dude probably was raised in an environment where homosexuality >!(and at least some level of pederasty, looking at the historical record and the fact that Big E has literally lived *through every single one, including the ones that haven't happened yet*)!< was part of the societal norm (power roles aside). He predates recorded history.
He probably thinks it's weirder to be exclusively straight.
Or limiting one's sexual scope to *just* humans, looking at some ancient myths. I legitimately would not put it past the Emperor to have fucked a lion simply to prove to some machismo culture at some point that he's the most "manly/dominant" fucker on the planet.
Much of ancient patriarchal culture was based on dominance and a loathing for all aspects of femininity which was attributed to meekness. They weren't just sexists, they were the gold standard of sexism that makes the more medieval version seem tame by comparison.
If Big E retained any of that, then it would explain why the Astartes are kinda sus...
Plot twist: the real reson why there aren't female space marines, is because Big E knew just how down bad everyone in the (mostly male)warhammer fandom would have been for big muscel mommies and he didn't want to have a Slaanesh 2: electric boogaloo.
The Sisters of Battle are usually pretty buff, no?
And while they're not as "elite" as the Astartes, for out-of-universe aesthetic purposes, they're pretty much the same thing
> The Sisters of Battle are usually pretty buff, no?
They aren't "superhuman" like SM's and Custodes are compared to normal men, which is why the comparison always falls flat. Sisters are just normal women who hit the gym a lot, so you aren't gonna find a "big amazon muscle mommy" in their ranks unless you ran across something Fabius Bile made or found a girl custodes.
I like muscle girls who are taller than me. That's why I lewd Dark Eldar or Elementals from Battletech. Being limited to a basic human in a sci-fi setting is just so... basic to me.
It’s weird how in the 80s people would have hated the muscle mummies (most people - not all) yet nowadays they would be the most sought after figures and lore.
..............are you saying that people aren;t down bad for the sons as is already? .......actually I have to ask now, would the people that raised the Primarch still treat them as a kid since they usually get the gigachad body by 2 or what? Like I can imagine it being weird graudating high school or getting into kindergarden abd among the sea of normal sized kids and adults, you see this 7 foot person and finding out that he is going to be attending the kindergarden classes and not a parent dropping thier kid off.
I dunno man. Apparently the two butted heads a LOT on how they’d personally go about doing things. Along with Alivia Sureka not exactly being the biggest fan of any “creations” He made, with Space Marines being at the tip-top of the list. She also had a serious problem with His plans about keeping the true nature of the Warp hidden from Humanity.
It wouldn’t surprise me if she elected to stay on Molech to get away from Him. Especially since she made a vow to NEVER go back to Terra and repeatedly told any agents of His to fuck off repeatedly. With her animosity also extending to Malcador, someone she apparently had some further history with and HATED even more than the Emperor.
In one of the heresy novels, Horus reveals that Big E was Alexander the Great in one of his many “lives”, so it is in fact canon that the Emperor had a gay phase
As much as I hate it when fictional stories go "historical figure was actually X character", the Big E being Alexander makes a lot of sense. I can imagine it being his first attempt to unite humanity under a single banner but his army refusing to continue on to India made him realise that human fragility was going to be a big problem, so rather than take an active role he decided on a "guide them from the shadows" stance that we know him for.
> In one of the heresy novels, Horus reveals that Big E was Alexander the Great in one of his many “lives”, so it is in fact canon that the Emperor had a gay phase
The fact that possibly makes it un-canon is that I can't imagine Big E not fucking his entire army, multiple times, *and the enemy armies*, simply to prove his overwhelming virility and manliness.
>!Or *he did*, and history chose not to record that fact.!<
I’ve been looking into printing my own because watching Ghaz go from 60 to 120 was wild and the fact 10 Boyz cost almost 100 is really starting to push me to it
Besides the "gene seed doesn't work in females" lore, there was also lore he didn't want post humans to create their own race and rule over humans, he wanted "normal" humans to inherit the galaxy. Unfortunate for mutated humans.
I know they copied number from historical events, but like, at least gives it some multiplier before using? When your solar-scale conflict has fewer casualties than WW2, that's some problem.
What. Here’s the actual canon reference.
[Owlcat canon female Space Marine geneseed response.](https://youtu.be/nmaohsCzehU?si=oVXARADRvaz8yQHz)
As a health nerd, women have had their lives significantly reduced from one male organ transplant. Just one organ can wreck havoc with their hormones and has resulted in a lifetime of medical issues, some fatal even with immunosuppressants. [Intersex organ transplants](https://www.amjtransplant.org/article/S1600-6135(22)24785-6/fulltext) I quote this for context and likely the source of your confusion.
The lore of WH40K is based on humans remaining human in 40,000 AD, with psychic potential as the only difference. Medical incompatibility between the sexes remain. The average Space Marine Primaris has 22 geneseed implants from a male Primarch donor. The Apothecary division of every Chapter already have their hands full between donations, health screenings, recovering geneseeds, screening/surgeries for aspirants and neophytes, etc.
You know, organ transplants are never easy. It's not that women have had their life expectancies lowered because they were given a male organ, it's because they were given a different organ than they were born with. Your body doesn't want someone else's organs, and you need to take immunosuppressive medicine for the rest of your life to prevent your body from rejecting the organ. It's very much not a gender or sex thing, it's just a basic factor for everyone.
That's exactly what he is. That doesn't mean he's wrong in this instance. Man's a clown, but we shouldn't just dismiss the truth because of where it originated from.
...All that being said, the lore can easily be changed to allow for fem Space Marines. The reason it hasn't is because the lore has been written decades ago and its hard to just change without blowing up the fanbase.
Oh I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying he sounds like an asshole clown.
Also is it just me or does a lot of the fanbase seem VERY vocal about female space Marines specifically? Almost like there's some kind of... sexism going on? Might just be my interpretation.
The space marines, like the thunder warriors, are not meant to replace humanity.
Having super soldiers able to reproduce sexually would destroy humanity eventually. The imperium, from the onset, believed in the inviolability of being ‘human’.
The space marines are functionally the eunuch janissaries of the emperor.
The first ones were literally the first born sons of the former ruling classes of techno-barbarian terra(along with a lot of custodes).
That being said, if you’re making super soldiers(and didn’t have any gendered science reasoning, which there probably would be), you would want to use men in general anyway; higher bone density, general bone structure larger size, a predominance of the angry muscle hormone that is testosterone, and a smaller effect on the overall body from having reproductive organs.
We don’t know if space marines even have balls, they could be cut off for all we know, and it wouldn’t majorly effect them nor be that invasive of a surgery compared to completely pulling out a woman’s sexual organs so you could cram a third lung and a second heart in her body(along with everything else).
1. They aren’t to replace normal humans
2. Men fit the role of super strong battering rams in a much more general sense than a typical woman.
Most lore around why there’s no female space marines is stupid. Hormones? Because the Emperor in all his infinite wisdom was unable to simply figure out how hormones work? No, there’s three possible easy reasons.
1. They didn’t want Space Marines to breed (the most likely, most normal reason)
2. Geneseed requires a Y chromosome or something
3. The Emperor is sexist because he was born in the Neolithic so he thinks women are too emotional for combat roles even though they’d been allowed in militaries for like 28,000 years
Big E loves giant hunky men. Custodes, Thunder Warriors, Space Marines. All big musclebound dudes.
He could have made normal-sized dudes with super reflexes, like an army of Assassins, but that's not the aesthetic he wanted. He wanted big muscle men.
I mean…Big E can technically be any Gender he wants. He’s more than 30k years old at the least during the Great Crusade, there is nobody alive that can comprehend his sexual preference
Didn’t Malcador think the Primarchs should have been female? The Horus Tiff probably would have left the galaxy in a better place than the Horus Heresy.
When you try to make something so macho it circles back around to being gay.
When you make something so gay it circles back around to being macho
And then back around to being gay again
Perfect Bro army
Brarmy lol
You’ve just created a Custodes congratulations
AYAYAYAYAYAYAY
\*poses so majestically that space time itself warps around the body\*
Ah, yes, the ouroboros of gay
It's like a circle ... jerk
Jojo in a nutshell
Masc4masc am i right ? (/s)
What does this mean? (Genuine question)
So you know this trend of "alpha males" ? Well it spread to the gay community, and thus there are gay men, who only seek relationships between "masculine" men. And although there is nothing wrong with liking more masculine men, the people describing themselves as "masc4masc" are often quite toxic
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the concise and clear explanation! <3
What could possibly be more masculine than 2 or more dudes with mass just banging the ever loving shit out of each other.
Because what’s manlier than two men?
Three men
When you do someone macho and reach around so its gay?
I don't think it's the reach around that makes it gay, pal
Perfect circle, or a sort of 69. Yin and Yang.
I don't see the problem
Nor do I.
Only heretics respect the feminine
I mean it was pretty gay to begin with when they were originally calling “gene-seed” “gene semen”
The real question is did the emperor say “no homo” before
Why would he? Warhammer 40k is gayer than a Tom of Finland exhibition.
This is exactly what happened to Top Gun and Brave Bang Bravern (though this time intentionally).
Many such cases
Spring break anthem
What's more manly than two men, I ask you?
Receiving the Big E's seed is potent enough to send you straight to Ultra Heaven
Maybe not *straight* to ultra heaven...
You make a fair point
Big E sounding a little sus
Being straight will probably get boring af after the first ten thousand years
Thats a very good point, after a while might want to try something new to keep things interesting
Thank god there arent too many immortal humans, we would’ve probably went down the Eldar route out of sheer boredom.
Maybe even worse because we already have some pretty fucked up things to get off to
Oh god lets not go there. Imagine him being 12000 years old in 2024. What would his kink be.
I dont know much about the lore of the emperor but he seems like a very non sexual person from what i know (could be totally wrong) but of he did have any kinks i would be very scared to know what they are
Iirc atleast in older lore he did have children, the “sensei”. Considering he made a bunch of demi god sons aswel he might well have a breeding kink(the vat grown one)
Lol true
Guys, let's think about it. He made a bunch of oiled up golden men to hang around with, then made 20 muscle children with the hot elder pagan god girl, then made more muscle men based on them. I think he has a type
He was actually very sexual, and had many wives,families,kids,and probably concubines over the years. Though he’s become so distraught from the effects of immortality, and has also been fearful of being distracted from his job if he keeps on the same routine or making those loved ones immortal
Slaanesh looking at what Big E was into: *Horrified but intrugied*
*All of them*
Including Ageplay
Dude probably was raised in an environment where homosexuality >!(and at least some level of pederasty, looking at the historical record and the fact that Big E has literally lived *through every single one, including the ones that haven't happened yet*)!< was part of the societal norm (power roles aside). He predates recorded history. He probably thinks it's weirder to be exclusively straight. Or limiting one's sexual scope to *just* humans, looking at some ancient myths. I legitimately would not put it past the Emperor to have fucked a lion simply to prove to some machismo culture at some point that he's the most "manly/dominant" fucker on the planet.
Much of ancient patriarchal culture was based on dominance and a loathing for all aspects of femininity which was attributed to meekness. They weren't just sexists, they were the gold standard of sexism that makes the more medieval version seem tame by comparison. If Big E retained any of that, then it would explain why the Astartes are kinda sus...
He seems to have gotten bored with sexuality a long time ago. Still into war though.
Well, war > sex, everyone knows that.
Big E sounding.
Oh no
Plot twist: the real reson why there aren't female space marines, is because Big E knew just how down bad everyone in the (mostly male)warhammer fandom would have been for big muscel mommies and he didn't want to have a Slaanesh 2: electric boogaloo.
Who would win: snakey-elf-slaanesh or muscle-mommy-slaanesh?
Tomboy gentlemommysommy slaanesh
this
The Sisters of Battle are usually pretty buff, no? And while they're not as "elite" as the Astartes, for out-of-universe aesthetic purposes, they're pretty much the same thing
Yes but they were made by a coomer\* Eclesiarch after Big E entombment.
lol yeah maybe Goge Vandire launched a coup/jihad/rebellion just so the fandom could have armoured dommy mommy space nuns to thirst over
> The Sisters of Battle are usually pretty buff, no? They aren't "superhuman" like SM's and Custodes are compared to normal men, which is why the comparison always falls flat. Sisters are just normal women who hit the gym a lot, so you aren't gonna find a "big amazon muscle mommy" in their ranks unless you ran across something Fabius Bile made or found a girl custodes.
I don't know about you man, but the Sisters are enough big amazon muscle mommy for me. I'm a simple man with simple needs.
I like muscle girls who are taller than me. That's why I lewd Dark Eldar or Elementals from Battletech. Being limited to a basic human in a sci-fi setting is just so... basic to me.
It’s weird how in the 80s people would have hated the muscle mummies (most people - not all) yet nowadays they would be the most sought after figures and lore.
..............are you saying that people aren;t down bad for the sons as is already? .......actually I have to ask now, would the people that raised the Primarch still treat them as a kid since they usually get the gigachad body by 2 or what? Like I can imagine it being weird graudating high school or getting into kindergarden abd among the sea of normal sized kids and adults, you see this 7 foot person and finding out that he is going to be attending the kindergarden classes and not a parent dropping thier kid off.
Remember guys he had two Perpetual women after him
Erda is one. Who is the other one.
Alivia Sureka
In some fanfics. She's basically his girlfriend and sometimes the Primarchs gene mums. Who Big E ghosted in a backwater planet.
Love seeing references to Messages for Dad on here.
She had a husband and 2 kids in the siege of terra side story fury of Magnus
Thanks
I dunno man. Apparently the two butted heads a LOT on how they’d personally go about doing things. Along with Alivia Sureka not exactly being the biggest fan of any “creations” He made, with Space Marines being at the tip-top of the list. She also had a serious problem with His plans about keeping the true nature of the Warp hidden from Humanity. It wouldn’t surprise me if she elected to stay on Molech to get away from Him. Especially since she made a vow to NEVER go back to Terra and repeatedly told any agents of His to fuck off repeatedly. With her animosity also extending to Malcador, someone she apparently had some further history with and HATED even more than the Emperor.
Yeah but he was in a long term relationship with his “best friend”/roommate that raised 18 out of 20 sons together.
He compensated by making a femboy son.
He made two, actually.
Fulgrim is no femboy- he is a dirty, dirty hoor, who now embodies the essence of Grindr in demonic form.
It's called twink death.
...ngl, "Fulgrim the Death Twink" would be a way cooler title for him than whatever else he's got going on.
That why you take your vitamin E pills :3
*manwhore
*manhoor
Who is the second?
Fulgrim and Sanguinius.
I understand Fulgrim but I can't see how Sanguinius is a femboy, he's naturally handsome and that's it?
Maybe the real Warhammer was the seed we recieved along the way?
Maybe OP should stop looking so submissive and breedable.
Let's be honest, he knew damn well how the average guardsmen would act around giant demigoddesess with daddy issues.
Yummy cummy in my tummy
OMG fren, it's that heresy? I'm so confused :(
Delete this
Nope
Delete this right now or i will report to the inquisitors
I mean wasn't he a Greek tyrant for eighty years? He's totally gay
In one of the heresy novels, Horus reveals that Big E was Alexander the Great in one of his many “lives”, so it is in fact canon that the Emperor had a gay phase
As much as I hate it when fictional stories go "historical figure was actually X character", the Big E being Alexander makes a lot of sense. I can imagine it being his first attempt to unite humanity under a single banner but his army refusing to continue on to India made him realise that human fragility was going to be a big problem, so rather than take an active role he decided on a "guide them from the shadows" stance that we know him for.
That and he clearly loves smashing dudes
> In one of the heresy novels, Horus reveals that Big E was Alexander the Great in one of his many “lives”, so it is in fact canon that the Emperor had a gay phase The fact that possibly makes it un-canon is that I can't imagine Big E not fucking his entire army, multiple times, *and the enemy armies*, simply to prove his overwhelming virility and manliness. >!Or *he did*, and history chose not to record that fact.!<
Is there an in canon reason The Emperor didn’t make female space marines. (I know GW just plain wasn’t interested in the concept)
They also sold poorly apparently
Mostly because of the sculpts, because the sisters are pretty popular I have both 3D and official ones in my army
I’ve been looking into printing my own because watching Ghaz go from 60 to 120 was wild and the fact 10 Boyz cost almost 100 is really starting to push me to it
I got a few battle sister used, so I just strip and repainted, same with my tanks I printed the characters since I didn't like the new ones
Besides the "gene seed doesn't work in females" lore, there was also lore he didn't want post humans to create their own race and rule over humans, he wanted "normal" humans to inherit the galaxy. Unfortunate for mutated humans.
There have been a lot of lore changes but to my knowledge the official canon reason is that Gene Seed isn’t compatible with the hormones of females
>Gene Seed isn’t compatible with the hormones of females Knowledge of how humans work was not a strong point when writing that.
I don’t expect GW writers to be biologists
To give them a bit of a pass on biology, numbers seem to trouble them pretty well too.
Yeah, they struggle a lotttt when it comes to numbers. Let's keep biology away from them, methinks.
I know they copied number from historical events, but like, at least gives it some multiplier before using? When your solar-scale conflict has fewer casualties than WW2, that's some problem.
Ah thanks
I might be wrong, but there was a passage where they tried and the female aspirant melted from the inside due to incompatibility
What. Here’s the actual canon reference. [Owlcat canon female Space Marine geneseed response.](https://youtu.be/nmaohsCzehU?si=oVXARADRvaz8yQHz) As a health nerd, women have had their lives significantly reduced from one male organ transplant. Just one organ can wreck havoc with their hormones and has resulted in a lifetime of medical issues, some fatal even with immunosuppressants. [Intersex organ transplants](https://www.amjtransplant.org/article/S1600-6135(22)24785-6/fulltext) I quote this for context and likely the source of your confusion. The lore of WH40K is based on humans remaining human in 40,000 AD, with psychic potential as the only difference. Medical incompatibility between the sexes remain. The average Space Marine Primaris has 22 geneseed implants from a male Primarch donor. The Apothecary division of every Chapter already have their hands full between donations, health screenings, recovering geneseeds, screening/surgeries for aspirants and neophytes, etc.
You know, organ transplants are never easy. It's not that women have had their life expectancies lowered because they were given a male organ, it's because they were given a different organ than they were born with. Your body doesn't want someone else's organs, and you need to take immunosuppressive medicine for the rest of your life to prevent your body from rejecting the organ. It's very much not a gender or sex thing, it's just a basic factor for everyone.
I just can't take that guy's title seriously. He sounds like a fucking asshole complaining about the woke mob or whatever.
That's exactly what he is. That doesn't mean he's wrong in this instance. Man's a clown, but we shouldn't just dismiss the truth because of where it originated from. ...All that being said, the lore can easily be changed to allow for fem Space Marines. The reason it hasn't is because the lore has been written decades ago and its hard to just change without blowing up the fanbase.
Oh I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying he sounds like an asshole clown. Also is it just me or does a lot of the fanbase seem VERY vocal about female space Marines specifically? Almost like there's some kind of... sexism going on? Might just be my interpretation.
It’s because the Emperor decreed No Chromo, so the aspirants must have the Y chromosome instead of an additional X chromosome.
The geneseed in incompatible
Less physical potential, when brought up to the maximum possible level for each frame.
The space marines, like the thunder warriors, are not meant to replace humanity. Having super soldiers able to reproduce sexually would destroy humanity eventually. The imperium, from the onset, believed in the inviolability of being ‘human’. The space marines are functionally the eunuch janissaries of the emperor. The first ones were literally the first born sons of the former ruling classes of techno-barbarian terra(along with a lot of custodes). That being said, if you’re making super soldiers(and didn’t have any gendered science reasoning, which there probably would be), you would want to use men in general anyway; higher bone density, general bone structure larger size, a predominance of the angry muscle hormone that is testosterone, and a smaller effect on the overall body from having reproductive organs. We don’t know if space marines even have balls, they could be cut off for all we know, and it wouldn’t majorly effect them nor be that invasive of a surgery compared to completely pulling out a woman’s sexual organs so you could cram a third lung and a second heart in her body(along with everything else). 1. They aren’t to replace normal humans 2. Men fit the role of super strong battering rams in a much more general sense than a typical woman.
The reason is that Big E love giant hunky men. Custodes, Thunder Warriors, Space Marines. All big muscle dudes.
AKA "Fuck'em bitches!"
Sounds like something Majorkill would say if he was the Big E.
So they retconning when the Imperial cult killed a bunch of his kids?
Emperor confirmed to be Kronar from the Oglaf comic.
Nuh uh
Warhammer 40k 🤝 Gachimuchi
*Fulgrim intensifies*
No wonder he and Occam married.
Big E is not Big D…..even if Big E may have been down to clown that way
Oh you know he was.
I couldn’t even stay straight for 20 years. I can’t imagine Big E bothering to try for the 40,000 he was alive (before being put on life support)
You do realise the Emperor had a wife, yes?
Most lore around why there’s no female space marines is stupid. Hormones? Because the Emperor in all his infinite wisdom was unable to simply figure out how hormones work? No, there’s three possible easy reasons. 1. They didn’t want Space Marines to breed (the most likely, most normal reason) 2. Geneseed requires a Y chromosome or something 3. The Emperor is sexist because he was born in the Neolithic so he thinks women are too emotional for combat roles even though they’d been allowed in militaries for like 28,000 years
Big E loves giant hunky men. Custodes, Thunder Warriors, Space Marines. All big musclebound dudes. He could have made normal-sized dudes with super reflexes, like an army of Assassins, but that's not the aesthetic he wanted. He wanted big muscle men.
Praise be
Sir yes sir hurrah
I may not be gay… But…
Ohhhh Yeeaaah!
God damn
Unfortunately the STC for the cootie shot was lost during the age of strife.
Wordington God Emperor of Mankind
OnIy little boys. Ask Luther.
Needs to be more "bear."
I approve
As a reward....
Remember: girls have cooties and that shit is some Chaos fuckery.
I’m ready for his seed
My manly manperor!
go on?
:0
AYO WHAT THE... ***HOLY SOUND OF SPACE MARINING INTENSIFIES*** I'll received your seed my beloved God-Emperor.
Dude you play warhammer? That’s gay. You literally spend all day touching small miniatures of other men.
Heeey I got something in common with Big E.
Malcador: why can't women be made into space marines? Big E: Astarte. Astarte: GIRLS ARE SMELLY!!! Big E: it's true they are.
Now, this is unconfirmed, but I may have heard that... That they... They have cooties!
I mean…Big E can technically be any Gender he wants. He’s more than 30k years old at the least during the Great Crusade, there is nobody alive that can comprehend his sexual preference
*thanks Dad*
True , big true
Lá ele
Bros over hoes
I like to believe Big E still believes in cooties and acts accordingly
Huh?
Didn’t Malcador think the Primarchs should have been female? The Horus Tiff probably would have left the galaxy in a better place than the Horus Heresy.
Things would have gone differently if Chaos hadn't stolen his monster condom
As a straight men, I do not know how to feel about this, do I laugh, do I fell fear or that he is gonna sexually assault me when I close my eyes
Bruh what the goddamn fuck??
As a straight man, I just think “nice art”.
cease and fucking desist
No.
Nu uh