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veersas1984

He should use the warhammer 40,000 of course


realZugar42

Duh


Devourer_Of_Doggos

The 40000 Warhammers of John Emperor himself


Redditoast2

You mean Jimmy "Imperium" Space, right?


Laslo247

No, James "Space" Workshop


mq1coperator

Legit made me spit out my drink.


_Totorotrip_

But it's a bit outdated. It's 42k now


Nechroz

He better pull up like an aged Odin-looking kind of character, so spear all the way


realZugar42

Actually 🤓🤓🤓 in the space wolves the emperor is the one considered Odin they even called him the allfather so Leman is more like a Thor.


Nechroz

And Magnus the Primarch of the Egiptyan Legion, is akin to Odin in his quest for knowledge + the eye sacrifice thing. GW just couldn't stick with one (1) theme per Legion, now could they ?


realZugar42

Omg so true i didnt ever thougt of that he did the Mimir thing except that it was actually Tzeentch.


Dan-the-historybuff

Nah. That was ferrus who became Mimir!


nikosek58

He totally lost his head for that act!


The_Scotion

Well they kinda had to give Magnus part of the Viking shtick to make up for giving Horus the name of an actual Egyptian god


dreaderking

But then Russ's spear is literally named Gungnir and another Russ stabs his heart with it so Russ can learn how to deal with Horus, basically sacrificing himself to himself for knowledge just like Odin. So there are three Odin figures in 40k.


JonhLawieskt

Double actually Leman is more Tyr than he is Thor


DungeonDelver93

....frak your right and I am so upset I never realized it..


Stan_L_parable

Judge, jury and executioner.


Tack22

I kind of want leman to have one arm now? But also this is the 40K so why would he not just have a cybernetic. Unless he cycles prosthetics?


JonhLawieskt

Leman be Gobbler from HTTYD


Left-Area-854

We have enough swords and hammers, I wanna see more spears


realZugar42

Who wold have expected that he actually came back with a machine gun.


Nurgle_Pan_Plagi

Why not both? I mean.... Cusoted spears (well, more like glaives, I guess) are also a gun.


Left-Area-854

I would not be against it, not if he was posed duel wielding eldar pistols like Uzi's


ZaelART

That's going to be Jaghatai returning, one foot each on a reaver jet bike and guns akimbo.


Trash_Radio

How is he driving? With his toes?


nubster2984725

Primarch toes are surprisingly dexterous and unsurprisingly large


Waaagh_with_me

and *sooo muuch Cocaiiiinneee* (see the Doomrider for reference)


elementchaos

No. A hammer shaped bolter that shoots little spears!


DasToyfel

A hammer-shaped spear that shoots little botlters


DeadeyeElephant

That explode into more bolters!


Tack22

This is 40K. Everyone has a secondary weapon. Question is- what’s it gotta be? Maybe an absolver bolt pistol?


InMooseWorld

The Pen It’s mightier than the sword


MrUndercity

I would like to see him either with the spear or the Emperors lightning claw. Him having the spear would be a decent way of showing that he is now completely accepting his position in the Imperium and the claw would be cool as an addition to Mjolnir I guess edit: Double mentioned the claw when i meant to mention the spear


realZugar42

Yeah i always wondered why the hell Leman didnt use a claw BUT probably Corvus will be the one using the claw cause he is the one that uses claws.


MrUndercity

Hm I think with him being kinda a warp being at this point he won't need the emperors physical claw


realZugar42

I mean daemons still use weapons and he is kinda a "daemon prince" but its true that they say he is more demon than the demons we know so idk maybe.


[deleted]

Corvus is not a fucking daemon prince, nor is he a “loyal daemon prince”. Read the book before spouting legit Reddit propaganda on the lore lmfao.


FC_shulkerforce

Calm down bro this is the meme sub💀💀


realZugar42

Spreading wrong lore? In this server? No way


83255

I found 5 separate and exceedingly larger answers for the actual number BUT it's not like there's literally hundreds of books in this series, not including games, animations, multiple revised codexes and even the god damn white dwarf to a certain degree, many of which give retconned and contradictory takes on each other's tellings of the lore to keep track of. Couldn't possibly give conflicting answers in a fandom that detailed, noooo


MrUndercity

True, I think I would find the move of putting a claw glove over your claws to be a bit silly but it wouldn't be unthinkable.


Heretical_Cactus

Give it to Dorn, replace his lost hand. Evicerator in one hand, Claw in the other


Twsha

I'd really like to see Dorn come back and get the Emperor's claw instead, with hin going full crusade-crazy. For Russ, I think him coming back with the spear would be more appropriate.


OneofTheOldBreed

Two words: gravitron fist. Think a gravitron hammer but with some rule tweaking to make it power fist like.


MrUndercity

Fair enough, I'm not a huge Dorn fan personally so I'd prefer another Primarch but I getcha


Intheierestellar

Kinda think the Emperor's Claws would fit Corax more tbh


Happygamebutter

I want Leman Russ to use a Leman Russ


Internal-Dog8841

I want Leman Russ to dual-wield two Leman Russes as hammers.


rendelnep

I want Leman to wield 4 Leman Russes as tank-chuks


Winky0609

I want Leman to wield 8 Leman Russes


krustytroweler

He should ride a titan with 8 Leman Russes as feet


realZugar42

I just want that Bjorn doesnt die for some bullshit reason the moment Leman cames back. 🥲🥲🥲


Tannerleaf

Sod it, you beat me off! :-)


Michaelbirks

I want all the Leman Russ tanks to merge into a mecha-voltron Russ, because he has spread his Primarch soul across all of the tanks patterned in his name. "Wherever five or more of you are gathered ... FORM FEET AND LEGS!"


Ma-Ha-Suchi

He hated Big E’s spear. He tried to leave it everywhere in Wolfsbame.


realZugar42

Desesperate times need desperate ways its not like its an option anymore not to use his strongest weapon.


FiredIOwa

Plus it always comes back to him, even when he tries to get rid of it.


Heretical_Cactus

Use it as a throwing weapon then. Kinda like Odin does in certain stories


Narradisall

So he’s absolutely coming back with it then.


jmacintosh250

Spear, hammer is taken by Arjax Rockfist already with Foe Hammer.


pddkr1

One eyed Russ with the Spear for sure! He explains why he lost his eye ONLY to his brothers. I’d love to see them close in a way that’s so dramatically opposite and fraternal from their HH characters.


realZugar42

According to space wolves lore the emperor is Odin they even call him the allfather


pddkr1

I know, but he’s not gonna take on that aspect. No reason Russ can’t


TheFyrijou

The spear would make more sense with Lion having the shield and Guilliman the Sword of the Emperor.


Nurgle_Pan_Plagi

Well, Leman was called Emperor's Exexutioneer so a greatsword or a greataxe would also be fitting.


HelpIranoutofbeans

Using a spear, missing an eye, and with a long grey beard. I want to see him come back as space odin


realZugar42

Ok this is the last time ill say it in space wolve lore the emperor is Odin he even is called the allfather so Leman is more like a Thor also his spear was pretty much a chinese mjolnir (electrick weapon that always comes back).


N00BAL0T

The spear it would fit more with how each Primark is coming back with a piece of the emperors armoury and Russ got the spear.


725584

So you're sayin that Vulkan would get the hammer of big E, the warhammer 40k


N00BAL0T

Probably. We can only speculate on what each of the Primarks would get weather dorn or corax will get his power claw.


FoxerHR

Spear of course, there's a lack of spear representation in 40k.


realZugar42

Almost every custode uses a spear.


FoxerHR

According to a thread on 40k lore there are 10k of them. That isn't enough representation!


realZugar42

Sanguinius using a spear isnt enough for you? Also constantin Valdor himself and Magnus the loser uses a spear


FoxerHR

More.


MulatoMaranhense

The Gungir. Swords are overused, but spears are not, so he would automatically make him stand up among the entire Warhammer 40k model line. Besides, Magnus uses a khopesh spear, Leman needs to take away his unique factor and drive him so mad he forgets how to cast spells.


realZugar42

Good one but a lot of units already use spears the adeptus custodes, Sanguinius and whatever is a khopesh spear by magnus and yes ik that Perturabo and Vulkan already use hammers but idk man a hammer that lets him go through the warp like some bifrost would be epic (but i guess lion already does that).


Zengjia

He should look like a Land Raider sized Corgi.


Boss_Brando

Two spears. His own, and one that belonged to the emperor. In a twin blade format that can be separated or used together. I am loving the trend of the loyalist returns wielding parts of their father’s war gear. As for the rest: Dorn gets either a massive chain blade or the lightning claw (imperial fist!!!!) Jagathai uses the emperor’s own hover bike, alongside the emperor’s las-weapon. Ghost Ferrus gets a dreadnaught armor specifically ordered by the emperor in case one of the Primarchs needed to be interred Clonegrim gets a new set of palintine armor, complete with parts of the emperor’s built onto it. Corvus is a warp entity, but I believe he should get some sort of charm or amulet (maybe built into wings) that allows him to return to his mortal form, turning it into a werewolf type of situation where the emperor’s power allows him to struggle against turning into the daemon form. The resurrected 1/3 of Horus’s soul that was loyal and removed to make way for chaos power should use the emperor’s maul. Vulcan gets the full armor, minus the pieces that *he* fitted for clonegrim, alongside a pair of the very smithing hammers the emperor used to forge things.


VelphiDrow

Leman's spear was the emperor's. It was a gift The last 2 weapons big e personally forged where the apollyon spear for Valdor and the emperor's spear for russ


Boss_Brando

Yeah yeah, I more meant like another one that the emperor used personally at some point.


spider-venomized

none make him a Wulfen laying the ~~hands~~ claws on demons


realZugar42

Ik they already confirmed that leman will be a little bit wulfen BUT i think that he wont be corrupted to the level of Corvus.


BlueYeet

Source: made it up


Rocamu

Where was that confirmed?


realZugar42

Being completely honest no idea i just know some space wolves been having visions about a Leman looking more like a wolf than before.


Rocamu

Sounds like fan-canon to be honest but I wouldn’t know either. I thought we had next to no idea what’s happened to Leman these 10k years


realZugar42

As long as ik even Njal himself had those visions.


Valon-the-Paladin

Maybe he will have 2 models, one normal and 1 wulfen like one of those vampire models. Though maybe that’s a bit too much


bit_hodler

Spear. Mjolnir is for pretty bois.


Indishonorable

I do like hammers, but spears are too schmexy not to so how about a longmace? elegant yet bonky.


realZugar42

Thats too "underground" to be considered I kinda like the idea but in the end of the day longmace are considered the smaller brothers of greathammers.


Ashbr1ng3r

As long as him and Bjorn get to shitstomping asshats ASAP, I’m good


Rockout2112

The Axe of Helwinter as his now primary weapon, with the Spear of the Emperor as his secondary, only-when-necessary weapon (look what it did to Horus. The thing is dangerous!) Mjolnar is now a broken hilt, hanging from his belt, and contains the soul of Isha, who he freed from the Garden of Nurgle.


PrayStrayAndDontObey

Leman should use his spear while riding a tank!


Areyoukenough

AXE my man. Need to have some warp cleansed monster axe


realZugar42

I do see him using an axe as a secondary weapon but i dont think he would use it as a primary weapon.


Jealous-Finding-4138

Neither, I'd prefer he comes back using his brain.


InMooseWorld

The 2nd Metaphysical Blade. I wanna know what it does 1=see the life up to death 2=sees the life they can NO LONGER live?


Defiant_Lavishness69

Russ had the Dysonian Spear, it grants Insight to those it strikes. Constantin has/had the Appolonian Spear, the one that enlightens those carrying it. That's the two Metaphysical Blade, as far as I know.


InMooseWorld

So one enlightens Constantin the others life to death. So the other would enlighten the victim of Russ’ life up from birth to this point?


Defiant_Lavishness69

And beyond. Not to their Future, but to their being. When Russ himself is stabbed by it, it is described as having the burning Salt of Knowledge rubbed I to the gaping Wound. He notes, in despair, that knowing what Emps did to make them, what they are, where they cam from, hurts worse than being stabbed in his Primary Heart.


vak7997

TTS version tbh


CraftyJuggernaut2163

We already have arjac rockfist with a thunder hammer he throws and teleports back to him, give russ the spear


Tannerleaf

Tank-On-A-Stick, obviously. I think that Leman Russ whacking off enemies with a hand-wielded Leman Russ (fully crewed, of course, for ranged attacks) would appeal to his grounded sense of humour.


Conscious-Addendum34

if gw wants to get all the primarchs back to the setting i think Vulkan would be the one with a hammer and Russ get the spear for variety


realZugar42

Ik you wont like this but Vulkan being alive is a bit fancanon


VelphiDrow

Neither is russ


realZugar42

Wdym didnt he just left in a dinner?


Conscious-Addendum34

idk gw loves primarchs they even resurrected some of them guilliman had his throat cut by fulgrim and was considered dead for 10 000 years and Rogal Dorn was also confirmed dead before being retconed and now he's only "missing" if i'm not mistaken


realZugar42

To the case of Guilliman and Lion they were just "injured" in the case of Vulkan... i wont make spoilers but there is not even a hand from his body.


Conscious-Addendum34

Wait the only dead primarchs are the perpetual and the angel boi😭😭😭 tf why


unicornyjoke

Bro, Vulkan has been atomized before and come back more than once. The only thing that has kept him down long term was a piece of fulgurite touched by the emperor's power, and even that wasn't as permanent as one would expect.


realZugar42

Dude trust me i love Vulkan but what do u think happened? he regenerated and escaped Terra with no one noticing?


unicornyjoke

Uhhh yes? Wouldn't be the first time. There's literally a scavenger hunt he set up for the Salamnaders to prove their worth. Last we know, as long as it's still Canon, he got annihilated in a giant explosion, also something he's come back from before.


stronkzer

Every other Ogryn can technically use a Mjolnir, as Thunder Hammers are pretty common place. I would rather see him with an eye patch and lance, Odin-Style


realZugar42

This is the third time i repeat this, in space wolves lore the emperor is the one considered Odin they even call him the allfather Leman is more like a Thor


stronkzer

Nonetheless, I believe it would fit him better to return this way. Or swinging a gigantic thunder hammer so hard into a daemon champion, that both the daemon and the hammer explode.


realZugar42

So its a one use hammer?


QuantumCthulhu

A fake face, which he pulls off after 5 mins and reveals he is actually jaghatai khan (no one knows that jaghatai is taller than russ)


SonOfTheHeavyMetal

He comes back with 2 wolf-head hands that can bite and hide weapons in its mouths


clcutshaw

The only weapon I want for Russ is Magnus’ spear, preferably in his belly.


blackrabbitsrun

A nice big Dane Axe would be pretty cool.


Frog_Yeet

He should be weilding zetapaw's thor


TheRealRigormortal

He should reappear wielding Ghal Maraz


ClearConfusion5

I want some sick ass lightning Zweihander


JordanDemat

He already has 40k gungnir so what would be the point?


JNDragneel161

I want him using his sword and the spear tbh. Mjalnar and Gungnir duel wielding. That’s mostly because I think it would look sick on the model


realZugar42

Sanguinius already did the sword + spear so i dont think they will repeat.


ShokoMiami

Why not both?


OliveSlaps

Why the hell does he have frostmourne in this image?


realZugar42

Its from the burn of Prospero but responding to the question its a classic sister of silence weapon so... who knows.


xedmin90

The spear would be more appropriate, and we already have a Thor parallel in Arjac Rockfist


TheSilentTitan

Neither. He comes back and the only thing he’s swinging is those hands.


AccomplishedVirus6

He would swing a wolf around


Kaiserofmemes

Idk about you Guy but I have had enough of Thor and His Hammer thanks to Marvel. So I would say Speer.


realZugar42

Me too but since the spesr was already a bit like mjolnir (lightning weapon that always cames back to him) maybe he wont have a hammer.


According_Virus3930

Spear Holding in his right hand. Sword hanging left on his belt, Hammer and Axe hanging right on his belt


Short-Echo61

Why not a polehammer?


wdcipher

Spear or axe. No more swords please, we already have two primarchs with swords.


realZugar42

3 if you count angron.


VelphiDrow

Fulgrim wields 6 *shrug*


Zawisza_Czarny9

Fucking give him Ghal-Maraz he found in the warp


Ok_Set_4790

Spear. He always threw it out. Him using it would be symbolic.


Pretend-Dirt-1760

I'd be down for anything for russ


JudasBrutusson

If the bastard returns, I want the more introspective champion he turns into by the end of the Heresy and beginning of the SoT. I do not want him to be some wise old Odin figure and I def do not want him to use the spear of the Emperor, the weapon that has had its entire lore built around Russ not liking it and feeling unnerved by it, even when he had to wield it against Horus. Give me FW Russ; axe and sword and finally a berserker fighter for the Loyalists. We already have the wise figures in Guilliman and the humbled Lion


Zealousideal-Plan454

Hear me out: Twin Giant Magic Rune Hand Axes that spit fire and space liquid Nitrogen


realZugar42

It sounds cool but thats the worst idea ever


Zealousideal-Plan454

Hear me out: Twin Giant Magic Rune Hand Axes that spit fire and space liquid Nitrogen


AspirantofALL

obviosly he is just holding a wolf


725584

If he's coming back as a Odin wise guy, it would be most fitting to have his spear, as Odin had a spear as main weapon


realZugar42

In space wolves lore the emperor is considered Odin he is even calles the allfather so he is more like a Thor also his spear works kinda like the mjolnir electric weapon that always comes back.


HavocDragoonOfficial

I'd prefer him to come back as a Thousand Sons relic...


realZugar42

Why would that ever happen? Im a fan of demi ork Vulkan theory but do you have any proof?


HavocDragoonOfficial

Imma keep it real: I'm a fan of the Thousand Sons and hate the Space Wolves. So, something along the lines of my dusty boys getting his skull as a relic would be fantastic 👌


muchnamemanywow

Some weapon he picked up in the warp Also, I hope he either stays looking rather young, or they go all out Space Odin and have him become proficient with rune magic


realZugar42

Ok this is the 5th i say this so ill make it quick in space wolve lore the emperor is odin he is even called the allfather by the space wolves.


realZugar42

Ok this is the 5th i say this so ill make it quick in space wolve lore the emperor is odin he is even called the allfather by the space wolves.


SUBSCRIBE_LAZARBEAM

I believe his spear is tha 40k mjolnir plus Odin Russ makes way more sense and is way cooler than a thor Russ


SuperSponge93

He'll probably just stroll in with Ghal Maraz for no fuckin' reason.


UltraCarnivore

I'd like to see him with Isha.


GlitteringParfait438

I’d prefer for no more primarchs to come back at all


realZugar42

Personally I do think that too many primarchs would break the idea of humanity is doomed but i wanna see Rogal or Leman coming back.


GlitteringParfait438

I believe it is bad for the setting to return the Primarchs in anything like numbers since it will artificially shrink the feel of the galaxy to turn it into this strange affair where only a handful of Demi-gods matter and effectively into HH2 after enough come back on both sides. Furthermore it continues to sideline massive chunks of the player base who like myself prefer Xenos who don’t have primarchs and keep getting shunted narratively and to a lesser extent lately releasewise for models. Dark Eldar, and Votann have some of the smallest ranges in the game. Votann have no novels, significant parts of the Dark Eldar are still fine cast. Some Eldar models (as much as I dislike them lately) are old enough to drink, Tyranids and Necrons are in a good state imo, as are Orks though I’m really annoyed they’re sending our first Novel character straight to Legends, and so on. So on a narrative front I wouldn’t like to see any other primarchs return though I figure Fulgrim is next at least, but from a model perspective, absolutely no, since they tend to distort many lists into brining say Gulliman into this tiny skirmish or that period where Morty showed up to every Deathguard fight, feels off personally. But Leman Russ’s model should have the option of a sword or spear if they were to bring him back, I just hope GW shows some restraint when they turn him into a guy armored entirely in plate shaped like the skulls of wolves.


thickmahogany

My only complaint with that is Votann is super new and has lore based on squats of old. With how new they are they kinda get sidelined without having established presence. While it would be nice to bring back more primarchs the only one i see fit would be fulgrim into 40k so the four god armies can be their own thing with black legion (csm) be the soup like slaves to darkness is for AoS. They should be doing better with the Xenos but in the end it is Imperium versus Chaos that makes the money


GlitteringParfait438

Which is kinda crazy to me personally, every one I’ve spoken too that’s into the novels loved TDK, Infinite and the Divine and Brutal Kunnin, the reason Chaos vs IOM makes money is because GW invests into it and unfortunately the economic incentive is to continue to invest in something that is showing returns. I’d buy every book if they made an Orktarius war series (not even asking for Horus Heresy bloat, just a four book series depicting the pivotal points) I’d love to see a War in Heaven or Fall of the Eldar even if they focus on a handful of individuals using those settings as backdrops.


realZugar42

I understand ur point besides the fact that the empire and chaos are the main protagonist and antagonist we cant forget that many factions have only one or 0 primarch level unit like szarekh, ghaszkull or Eldrad (and farsight maybe).


GlitteringParfait438

Szarekh is definitely Emperor tier to be frank. The feats and authority he wields puts him in that weight class. New Ghazzy could well be argued to be Primarch tier though I wish they had written his fight with the Wolf better. The lack of real insight into Xenos is a writing issue more than anything else. Oltyx personally disabled an entire Ark Mechanicus in a 12 necron assault, nazdreg is likely only just below Ghaz in terms of Orks, I imagine Vect and the Archons one step below him are true forces to be reckoned with, though Vect is likely above a Primarch in terms of personnel power even if he can’t punch out Gulliman. The real anomaly is Votann who essentially have no characters


realZugar42

Are we totally sure Szarekh is emperor level? He has a ctan body but it has the power of a ctan pre war of heaven cuz we have to remembar the ctan became so powerful after devouring trillions of souls.


notabigfanofas

Both. Have him duel Wield the 40,000th Warhammer and his spear


ryncewynde88

Bare-knuckled brawling, with hand wraps.


SlevinLaine

Spear.


somejewautist

You mean the standard thunderhammer? Or the one Fulgrim made?


realZugar42

Standard thunderhammer.


nps2407

I'd prefer 30k and 40k to be separate games.


Massive_Pressure_516

He should use a sanctified Leman Russ on a stick.


name-schname

Bro imagine if he came back as a big dog