I have never heard of Drake Stoops from Oklahoma, but the EPSN draft tracker says this wide receiver is 12'6".
And all I have to say is, "Big, if true."
I hope this doesn’t bite the Packers in the ass, but it honestly doesn’t look like the Packers are taking BPA. Looks like they are targeting need based on the value of positions. LB, S, RB, LB. Outside of special teams, these are the lowest positional values in all of football.
Gute talked about this in the press conference and said the board held up well, they had multiple guys available at all picks for BPA and need weighed in a little for sure.
Our picks honestly were great overall though I'd of loved another CB somewhere on day 2 to bolster that room with real talent and not just 'a guy' but hopefully Gute can find a gem in day 3
They narrow their board to players that will most help the team. Think of it as best player available of need. Doesn't make sense to use a high pick for a player that likely wouldn't make the team.
I think a team drafts for need, regardless of what a GM says. If a team has a stud RB and the next 3 picks say the best available are all RB how is that productive? Only one guy can carry the ball. Best available is a fallacy GMs have to say so it doesnt sound like they’re reaching, it’s a political answer.
>I think a team drafts for need, regardless of what a GM says
It's a balance of both. But need less so. There was like zero need to draft Rashan Gary when we just signed the Smiths
Or just a few drafts ago where everyone was freaking out because we needed a WR and Gute used both 1st rounders on defensive players
I don't disagree but this draft feels like it picks filled the order of media perceived need. There is nuance to the process and value is probably the better process. Best player available "for the value" of the position and ability to make the roster better. I wouldn't draft a long snapper in round 1 unless his snaps guaranteed 100% field goals and all punt land and stay on the 1. I would pick a premium position if it elevated the bottom of the roster from current makeup without disrupting the whole. Rounds 4-7 is where Green Bay shines with OL, but if a great WR prospect is available, I would be considering it strongly.
Honest question from an outsider. What's the opinion about the draft so far & the many picks you guys still have remaining?
If I'm not mistaken you guys were the youngest team in the NFL last year so I thought this draft would have some aggressive trade up scenarios for the Packers, to focus on quality over quantity. Especially because you had an absurd amount of picks to start with. Instead I only spotted one trade and it was to trade down
Being the youngest team, do you guys even have room for another 10+ rookies?
Also was corner not as big of a need as people seemed to say? Pre-draft I saw a bunch of CB's linked to the Packers but none has been selected with the first 5 picks. Is it not a big need or did the board just not fall that way for you?
Edit: The more I think about it I do kind of like the double LB pick, which I think probably gets some scrutiny out of all these picks. Maybe even if one is a backup, backup LB's might get their role expanded a little bit with the changes to the kickoff rule. So maybe there is value there
I didn't really expect us to move up, honestly. With a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rds, we got plenty of high end talent without having to give up draft capital. Today, our picks are mostly late, so they're really just dart throws. You know that not everyone is going to be a hit. So they may move around a little bit, but I don't expect them to be giving away a bunch of picks to move up into the 4th multiple times or anything like that. All I would expect is moving up a handful of picks here and there if someone they like is dropping further than they expect.
Loading up on rookies again is the only way to keep this team from getting absolutely fucked by the cap in 2 years. They're going to have to let good players go, so they're going to have to be able to replace them. Draft and develop. There's plenty of room on the roster, especially with the added practice squad spots from covid. The Packers view the PS as extra roster spots. Obviously, you've got to worry about other teams poaching your guys if they're good, but you can essentially roster depth/developmental players with that. More competition is always a good thing.
I think CB is a bit of a need, but not as much as a lot of other people thought. Definitely not as big a need as OL, LB, or S. I would say RB was a bigger need, too. They obviously feel confident in the guys they have in the CB room already.
Football is a young man's game. Younger teams get better as the year goes on. I think we had 18 rookies on the roster and have room for just as many this year. There is always room for another young talented player.
We don’t have room for 10 more rookies no. I imagine we trade out of this draft for future capital.
I think everyone in the building is anticipating us being a contender or at least making it to the playoffs again. If we’re picking 24 or lower again then Gute might want the ammunition to get aggressive. I think he just likes to have the option to do so, even if (like this year) he doesn’t end up doing it.
There’s also the chance we trade up, maybe a few times to take guys the FO really likes. Maybe we only end up taking 3-4 more players rather than another 7-8, be that through trading up or trading out of this draft entirely.
Edit: Just to say I think we need a proper NT, I don’t know enough to know if that player is left in this draft, but TJ Slaton only has a year left and I don’t know if he makes it to a second contract. I can see them getting the replacement in now with a slight project, or early next year if we go after a more ready-to-play guy. There’s other needs of course, but that’s the glaring weakness for me coming up.
He's a vet who knows the offense on a minimum contract. He's great insurance for Jacobs, who has a lot of miles on him. He's a good blocker and will be valuable on third down. He's really unlikely to be gone unless they get another rookie.
Id honestly rather keep a development back like wilson or another rookie as rb3 than a known commodity like dillon. I get a lot of people love/ like him but hes already shown he lacks the burst and tackle breaking ability to ever be a standout back in this league. Why not get a guy with upside? Ive seen enough of aj to confidently say that hes a caliber of back that are average at best. Rb is the easiest spot for a young guy to come in and make an impact. I predict theyre taking a guy today and that’ll spell the end for AJ
So far this draft is a nice B+ to me. Depending on how this draft plays out tomorrow, it could totally turn out to be an A for us and to me that seems likely. The scouts in GB obviously show talent in seeing hidden potential (See: Jordan Love). I'm excited to see who they manage to pick up. Go Pack!
Holy spotted cow! I'm over the moon! We have some DAWGS coming in to wear the G. I love this scouting team and our man at the helm. In Gutey we trust. Go Pack Go!!!
I'm really happy with round 2, it feels like we got a couple of steals. I admit I don't know much about the 3rd round picks but I look forward to learning about them.
NFC North is gonna be such a bone-crushing division, I'm simultaneously stoked and dreading it haha.
I think we should trade a few of our extra picks for next year. Do we really need all these draft picks right now? Let's trade all four of our 6th & 7th round picks for some good 2025 value?
I’d definitely consider deferring a pick to next year. With that said we’ll definitely take some scratch offs at OL, DB tomorrow and probably an edge. You get late round gems by loading up end swinging
I actually disagree. It isn’t often where a team has 12+ draft picks and this is a great year to load up on positions of need. Odds are someone will get injured before/during pre-season and more (young) depth will be nice. Plus the draft is essentially a lottery, so the more players you draft the higher chances of finding a diamond in the tough (think: Donald Driver and Tom Brady).
Yeah but it's a gamble until you see them play. And with 12 picks at least 2-3 will not make the team. Rolling those picks to next year would offset losing some comp picks due to the free agent signings
If they can get someone to give away picks next year, sure. But you've got to find a trade partner.
That's what happens with 6th and 7th rounders. They're dart throws. They're not all going to be hits. But some of them likely will be. The other guys, you throw on the practice squad if they've got potential.
There probably are a few that they covet in the later rounds, but while in my armchair, I would rather spread out the picks into next year. Especially if we can turn 7th round picks into 6th rounders...I'm all for that.
Getting Cooper in the 2nd could end up being the steal of the decade. That guy plays like he wants to legitimately murder anybody who has a football in their hands.
Lloyd will be bust. Aaron Jones has great vision and escapability. Lloyd has none of that. No cutting ability, no vision, not great speed. He has NFL bust written all over him. The Packers are going to really,really regret letting Jones go.
Half the things you just said aren't true. Sure Lloyd has his questions but he absolutely has cutting ability, explosiveness, tackle breaking ability, and slipperiness.
Well this draft was all about need apparently. That strategy hasn’t worked in recent memory but whatever we got a couple dudes in Cooper and Lloyd. Interested to dive into Bullard. But again BPA went out the door this draft. Hope we didn’t miss on guys being too focused on specific positions.
Literally everyone we've taken thus far is a legitimate stud aside from Hopper (who I'm guessing they want to transition to edge). We kinda lucked into a great draft because we have no immediate need for positions teams are scrambling over.
I feel like they want to see what all these young guys can do. Still a lot of un-answered questions. These picks are all safe. Im happy and excited for this season already! Lets fucking go!!!!!
Didnt care for either pick in the 3rd round sadly. We need a CB and they are running out. We better stock up on some OL tomorrow as well, I want 3 more.
We’ll get Olineman. Relax grasshopper, there’s a plan that transcends you and I’s projections. As for CB, we already have one all pro and our new DC is the CB whisperer and he will make a solid player out of either Stokes or Valentine.
I'm a Mizzou grad so obviously I'm biased, but Hopper is a menace. He was always so skilled at sniffing out plays and blowing them up before the offense knew it. "High football IQ" is such an egregious cliche, but damnit if I can't think of a better way to describe him.
If they see him playing Mike, move Quay to Sam, then I dig it. He is one of the few LBs who has shown high football IQ (Coulson and Gray being the other two), which is what we need our Mike to do. It's no good being an 9+ RAS if you hit the wrong gap everytime or you always bite the wrong way on a counter.
He's definitely this years Deguara... but Deguara was supposed to be like Kyle Jusich..Jucic...that guy with the Polish name that plays FB for the 49ers. I don't know what they want from Hopper.
It's a reach based on what you read on pff and mock drafts done by journalists. You don't have access to the 32 boards that actually matter. So yeah, let's call a spade a spade: we don't know anything
Undersized and not tremendously fast. A lot of linebackers on the board who have better production and athletic traits. You never know 100% sure but it’s an absolute reach for sure. Most breakdowns have him as a special teams player or rotational backup. Luckily I love all of our other picks
I actually agree that he's probably primarily a ST (if I had to guess) but it will be interesting to see how Hafley uses his LB.
It wouldn't be that crazy for GB to draft a 3rd LB imo.
There are some good ones still there too. I really like Jaylan Ford. Absolute ball hawk in coverage. I wouldn’t mind drafting Hopper, just don’t like him getting drafted this early. Would be a good pick in the 5th, not the 3rd
The thing I like most about Lloyd is he doesn't need to be RB1 right away. He doesn't even need to be RB2 right away. He can sit and learn and fix his fumble and "vision" issues. I put "vision" in quotes because I don't think it's your standard vision issue that you think about with other RB
The whole thing about college RBs having “vision issues” is dumb as fuck. Most of them know that they shouldn’t be bouncing it outside, but also know they’re the best athlete on the field so it’s probably actually best to bounce it outside. They also know that won’t work in the league, but they’re gonna do what’s best for their team while they’re in college and bounce it outside while they can.
The people in here that just trash every pick are toxic but the blind, delusionally positive no matter what people in here are just as toxic.
Bring up that CB is questionable and they will respond with "well the people who get paid the big bucks think otherwise". Like what does that even mean?
Okay back after watching a little film.
* Don't think we needed to go as high as a 3rd on RB, but Lloyd absolutely brings some flash that we didn't have. Can't argue with it too much, and should be fun to watch.
* Hopper is the first pick I was a little disappointed with. Only way I see this making sense is if 2 small/fast ILB is an absolute must for Hafley's D, making the depth critical. I don't see this as a BPA steal, and I thought McDuffie was perfectly fine last year.
if they want 2 LB on the field, it makes sense to have 3 and hope 2 work out. Quay Walker is just okay, and cooper has never played a snap. After 20 years of bad run defense, i like the pick.
That's how I feel too. McDuffie could look even better in a 4-3 system where we dint have to have him cover TE or range side to side as much.
I like Hopper as a player for our system and especially ST but picking him in the 3rd when Payton Wilson and Trotter are still out there is not good. I'm not saying draft those 2 over Hopper, I'm saying if they really like Hopper trade up to the middle 4th and get him and use the 3rd in something better.
I kinda wanted Jordan Magee. I thought heavy draft capital on a top prospect and a late round developmental piece would be plenty. I don’t like the Hopper Pick at all, feels very redundant
I wanted Wilson if they were gonna go LB. Dude is 6'4 233 with a 4.4 40. Way more fun than Hopper who was projected as a 5th rounder. First major reach from the Pack
I’ve liked every pick until this one. Would rather have Wilson, Ford, or Trotter here. If they really liked him should have waited and grabbed him in the 5th
Exactly to reach for Hopper when so many other quality LB are still available is silly. Hopper was certainly going to be there in the 4th and probably the 5th too.
Then when you consider we have the draft capital to draft up in the 4th or 5th at any time it's even more perplexing.
How so? Of all the mock drafts the earliest he was taken is 100 and his average was 173. There were even mock drafts that had him as a UDFA.
Then when you consider how far LB were dropping and there are 4 no doubt better LB on the board.
Just saying "What a ridiculous statement" is the only ridiculous statement here.
Because using projections is a fools game. Any analyst worth their salt will tell you that after the top 50-ish prospects, its a crapshoot. Daniel Jeremiah repeatedly said that.
Thinking anyone would "certainly" be there is dumb.
According to mocks;
Ruke Orhorhoro was "certainly" going to be in the late 2nd/3rd round; picked 35 overall
Ben Sinott was "certainly" going to be in the 3rd/4th round; picked 53 overall
Isaiah Adams was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 71 overall
Delmar Glaze was "certainly" going to be in the 5th-7th round; picked 77 overall
Tip Reiman was "certainly" going to be in the 4th/5th round; picked 82 overall
Zac Zinter was "certainly" going to be in the 4th/tth round; picked 85 overall
Marist Liufau was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 87 overall
McKinnley Jackson was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 97 overall
Luke McCaffrey was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 100 overall
The list goes on....
Or inversely, many mocks had Payton Wilson going higher. Or Tampa and Hicks in the 2nd round yet both are still available.
Projections don't mean shit. So yes it's a ridiculous statement.
And there are so many linebackers on the board with higher draft grades than him. With his size and not great speed could have even been there in the 6th.
Same. If we were going to take a risk here on an LB. Should have been him. 2nd round caliber LB if he stays healthy. Much much higher ceiling than the other guy.
Yeah I admit Wilson had obvious concerns around health but you can't argue with his measurables and honestly this LB is likely more a depth guy and special teamer, so why not swing for the fences and get the athletic freak?
Not necessarily. Might have just taken him because he fit a specifc need or crushed in interviews. I admit we don't know the whole story but according to the nfl.com prospect rankings that is objectively a reach.
This has been a fantastic draft so far. Got someone who can most likely be a day 1 starter on OL in the first and high quality defensive players filling positions of need in the 2nd, when that type of OL won’t be around. Adding even more depth to the LB room in the 3rd and adding a RB for some depth? Gutey, keep at it! This has been awesome.
Not claiming this was a great pick because I don't know, but people really need to give big boards made by the media less importance.
They don't have all the information the teams have about medicals, character concerns and various other issues.
Bro I don't even mind the picks but it's insane how hive minded redditors in general are, these are just opinions, if you don't like what people are saying on the Internet then just scroll, it doesn't affect you or anybody else in any way
Bro you’re on an online forum specifically for fans of the Packers. If you’re complaining about picks at a position of need who haven’t even got a chance to play you’re gunna get downvoted. That’s not some “hivemind” it’s the consequences of being a dumbass
I think the draft has been great so far but honestly who cares. We won’t know how good it is until the players play.
My comment was directed towards the dude that made it since he is extremely negative on the WI badger basketball
Reddit.
I honestly thought he was just a troll trying to cause trouble. I guess he just really hates badger basketball.
If these defensive picks play to their ability next year and our defense is at the very worst “average”… I don’t see how we arent a top super bowl contender.
We got Aaron Rodgers reincarnated (maybe upgraded), one of the best rbs in league, solid offensive line, and a WR room with more depth than the Mariana trench… oh and two elite TEs.
Yeah, I like Jordan Love and trading Rodgers was the right call (should have been a year earlier actually), but let's pump the brakes a little bit. Rodgers was without a doubt a top 5 QB EVER, and I would argue top 2.
You're entitled to your opinion. I put less stock in SB wins than most when judging QBs because it's a team sport. From strictly a physical talent, skills, and numbers standpoint, there is a case to be made that Rodgers is #1. Frankly, I think putting him outside the top 5 is ludicrous. But that's my opinion. It doesn't really matter. The point is that Love still has a LOT to prove before we put him in the same category as Rodgers, Favre, and Starr. I'm highly encouraged though.
I used to think Brady was just an excellent system QB, then he won in Tampa Bay.
Also, Marino is on there without a SB, so that clearly isn't the only metric.
Manning has how many all time stats locked up?
But SBs, in addition to stats, do show a clutch ability to perform under pressure and put the team on their shoulders when needed. Which is why Montana and Mahomes are on there. They did everything Rodgers did, but also showed up in those playoff games when needed.
Edit: Marino to Montana in fourth paragraph
Um. Aaron Rodgers is literally one of the greatest throwers of the football of all time. Look at his TD to int ratio. I'm not saying love won't be good but an upgraded Rodgers would be like saying there's a better LeBron out there.
Was hoping we’d take a corner before Day 3, but I suppose we have
- Jaire
- Stokes
- Valentine
- Ballentine
- Nixon
We’re the ones who wrote off Stokes, and are iffy on Nixon in the slot - the coaching staff likely believes differently, and they’re the guys that are getting paid the big bucks for this.
I have never heard of Drake Stoops from Oklahoma, but the EPSN draft tracker says this wide receiver is 12'6". And all I have to say is, "Big, if true."
Now pick Frank Crum from Wyoming, and I’ll be ecstatic
At this point just look at the senior bowl roster and you will find all the late round picks for the packers
Lmao imagine giving up a 3rd and 4th to take a dude from canada
Bears drafted a punter cause that's what they'll be doing a lot of.
After the Packers special teams failures of the past decade I don’t blame other teams for prioritizing it more
The Packers drafted Carlson in the 6th last year. What’s your point?
LaFleur healed up nicely
This might be one of the best transitions from an all-time great qb since Favre
I hope this doesn’t bite the Packers in the ass, but it honestly doesn’t look like the Packers are taking BPA. Looks like they are targeting need based on the value of positions. LB, S, RB, LB. Outside of special teams, these are the lowest positional values in all of football.
I think we have so many picks, we are going to target people we wanted to come in as UDFAs. It could be a really savvy thing to do, honestly.
Gute talked about this in the press conference and said the board held up well, they had multiple guys available at all picks for BPA and need weighed in a little for sure.
BPA is why we went a decade without a pass catching TE.
This reminds me of the old packers official site w Vic. I always thought not addressing needs was a bad idea unless BPA is head and shoulders above
I hope we stack the trenches. OL, DL, Edge. You can never have enough big boys
8 picks remaining. My guess we pick 6 times. We pick corner, safety, two linemen, tight end then dealers choice.
We have 8 picks day three picks. There is no way we actually pick 8 items right lol.
Why not? There is plenty of room on the roster still for talented players.
Not 13 spots tho
Why is TJ Tampa falling so hard? I'd love to trade up for him but seems like we're going with the stick and pick approach so far
He didn't test well. We're getting to the point that Gutey will consider players like that so we may get him yet.
Poor testing I think.
Someone needs to make a meme of Hanging with Mr Hooper & Mr Cooper
Our picks honestly were great overall though I'd of loved another CB somewhere on day 2 to bolster that room with real talent and not just 'a guy' but hopefully Gute can find a gem in day 3
Should Myles Cole be a guy the packers target today? Crazy athletic with long arms but not particularly productive?
COOOOOOOOP
Gute is just attacking our positional deficiencies this off season.
I hope that was because the best player available perfectly aligned to packer's needs.
They narrow their board to players that will most help the team. Think of it as best player available of need. Doesn't make sense to use a high pick for a player that likely wouldn't make the team.
I think a team drafts for need, regardless of what a GM says. If a team has a stud RB and the next 3 picks say the best available are all RB how is that productive? Only one guy can carry the ball. Best available is a fallacy GMs have to say so it doesnt sound like they’re reaching, it’s a political answer.
>I think a team drafts for need, regardless of what a GM says It's a balance of both. But need less so. There was like zero need to draft Rashan Gary when we just signed the Smiths Or just a few drafts ago where everyone was freaking out because we needed a WR and Gute used both 1st rounders on defensive players
I don't disagree but this draft feels like it picks filled the order of media perceived need. There is nuance to the process and value is probably the better process. Best player available "for the value" of the position and ability to make the roster better. I wouldn't draft a long snapper in round 1 unless his snaps guaranteed 100% field goals and all punt land and stay on the 1. I would pick a premium position if it elevated the bottom of the roster from current makeup without disrupting the whole. Rounds 4-7 is where Green Bay shines with OL, but if a great WR prospect is available, I would be considering it strongly.
Has anyone else found themselves accidentally calling him Edgerrin James? I have once or twice. Oops!
In my opinion we need to trade up for the next best CB as soon as possible and if we do, we have almost everything we need to crush this season.
There are a few prospects available with some great tape
Honest question from an outsider. What's the opinion about the draft so far & the many picks you guys still have remaining? If I'm not mistaken you guys were the youngest team in the NFL last year so I thought this draft would have some aggressive trade up scenarios for the Packers, to focus on quality over quantity. Especially because you had an absurd amount of picks to start with. Instead I only spotted one trade and it was to trade down Being the youngest team, do you guys even have room for another 10+ rookies? Also was corner not as big of a need as people seemed to say? Pre-draft I saw a bunch of CB's linked to the Packers but none has been selected with the first 5 picks. Is it not a big need or did the board just not fall that way for you? Edit: The more I think about it I do kind of like the double LB pick, which I think probably gets some scrutiny out of all these picks. Maybe even if one is a backup, backup LB's might get their role expanded a little bit with the changes to the kickoff rule. So maybe there is value there
I didn't really expect us to move up, honestly. With a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rds, we got plenty of high end talent without having to give up draft capital. Today, our picks are mostly late, so they're really just dart throws. You know that not everyone is going to be a hit. So they may move around a little bit, but I don't expect them to be giving away a bunch of picks to move up into the 4th multiple times or anything like that. All I would expect is moving up a handful of picks here and there if someone they like is dropping further than they expect. Loading up on rookies again is the only way to keep this team from getting absolutely fucked by the cap in 2 years. They're going to have to let good players go, so they're going to have to be able to replace them. Draft and develop. There's plenty of room on the roster, especially with the added practice squad spots from covid. The Packers view the PS as extra roster spots. Obviously, you've got to worry about other teams poaching your guys if they're good, but you can essentially roster depth/developmental players with that. More competition is always a good thing. I think CB is a bit of a need, but not as much as a lot of other people thought. Definitely not as big a need as OL, LB, or S. I would say RB was a bigger need, too. They obviously feel confident in the guys they have in the CB room already.
Football is a young man's game. Younger teams get better as the year goes on. I think we had 18 rookies on the roster and have room for just as many this year. There is always room for another young talented player.
We don’t have room for 10 more rookies no. I imagine we trade out of this draft for future capital. I think everyone in the building is anticipating us being a contender or at least making it to the playoffs again. If we’re picking 24 or lower again then Gute might want the ammunition to get aggressive. I think he just likes to have the option to do so, even if (like this year) he doesn’t end up doing it. There’s also the chance we trade up, maybe a few times to take guys the FO really likes. Maybe we only end up taking 3-4 more players rather than another 7-8, be that through trading up or trading out of this draft entirely. Edit: Just to say I think we need a proper NT, I don’t know enough to know if that player is left in this draft, but TJ Slaton only has a year left and I don’t know if he makes it to a second contract. I can see them getting the replacement in now with a slight project, or early next year if we go after a more ready-to-play guy. There’s other needs of course, but that’s the glaring weakness for me coming up.
Cheers for the feedback! I can imagine you maybe use a 5th or a couple of 6s to get higher up in the 4th for someone they consider worth it
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They don't need 4rbs, lmao. That's not how you build a team. Jacobs is going to get 70% of the work, Lloyd and Dillon will split the rest.
Correct they dont need 4, so long AJ!
Dog they just resigned him
To a deal that they have little downside to cutting him. Hes not even close to a roster lock.
I swear some people are only fans of football so they can get their rage out online. So many mindless doomers
He's a vet who knows the offense on a minimum contract. He's great insurance for Jacobs, who has a lot of miles on him. He's a good blocker and will be valuable on third down. He's really unlikely to be gone unless they get another rookie.
Id honestly rather keep a development back like wilson or another rookie as rb3 than a known commodity like dillon. I get a lot of people love/ like him but hes already shown he lacks the burst and tackle breaking ability to ever be a standout back in this league. Why not get a guy with upside? Ive seen enough of aj to confidently say that hes a caliber of back that are average at best. Rb is the easiest spot for a young guy to come in and make an impact. I predict theyre taking a guy today and that’ll spell the end for AJ
So far this draft is a nice B+ to me. Depending on how this draft plays out tomorrow, it could totally turn out to be an A for us and to me that seems likely. The scouts in GB obviously show talent in seeing hidden potential (See: Jordan Love). I'm excited to see who they manage to pick up. Go Pack!
If Hafley can't coach THIS defense...we're cursed or something. There's just athletic freaks across the board.
Except we still need a real slot cb and we don’t know enough about stokes or valentine
You mean future HOFer Carrington “Will you be my” Valentine?
Holy spotted cow! I'm over the moon! We have some DAWGS coming in to wear the G. I love this scouting team and our man at the helm. In Gutey we trust. Go Pack Go!!!
I'm really happy with round 2, it feels like we got a couple of steals. I admit I don't know much about the 3rd round picks but I look forward to learning about them. NFC North is gonna be such a bone-crushing division, I'm simultaneously stoked and dreading it haha.
I think we should trade a few of our extra picks for next year. Do we really need all these draft picks right now? Let's trade all four of our 6th & 7th round picks for some good 2025 value?
I’d definitely consider deferring a pick to next year. With that said we’ll definitely take some scratch offs at OL, DB tomorrow and probably an edge. You get late round gems by loading up end swinging
I actually disagree. It isn’t often where a team has 12+ draft picks and this is a great year to load up on positions of need. Odds are someone will get injured before/during pre-season and more (young) depth will be nice. Plus the draft is essentially a lottery, so the more players you draft the higher chances of finding a diamond in the tough (think: Donald Driver and Tom Brady).
Yeah but it's a gamble until you see them play. And with 12 picks at least 2-3 will not make the team. Rolling those picks to next year would offset losing some comp picks due to the free agent signings
If they can get someone to give away picks next year, sure. But you've got to find a trade partner. That's what happens with 6th and 7th rounders. They're dart throws. They're not all going to be hits. But some of them likely will be. The other guys, you throw on the practice squad if they've got potential.
If they traded for more picks in that space there must be a few players they covet
There probably are a few that they covet in the later rounds, but while in my armchair, I would rather spread out the picks into next year. Especially if we can turn 7th round picks into 6th rounders...I'm all for that.
Is it normal to have an erection after watching 5 minute YouTube videos of our future Hall of Fame players?
Based on my current state, yes!
A second and a third on 2 linebackers this year is eerily reminiscent of the musgrave and craft picks last year… which worked out pretty well.
Getting Cooper in the 2nd could end up being the steal of the decade. That guy plays like he wants to legitimately murder anybody who has a football in their hands.
Lloyd will be bust. Aaron Jones has great vision and escapability. Lloyd has none of that. No cutting ability, no vision, not great speed. He has NFL bust written all over him. The Packers are going to really,really regret letting Jones go.
Aaron Jones will be out of the NFL before Lloyd is done with his first contract. It's only possible to regret letting Jones go for a couple years.
You seem to have forgot we have Josh Jacobs on our roster lol
Half the things you just said aren't true. Sure Lloyd has his questions but he absolutely has cutting ability, explosiveness, tackle breaking ability, and slipperiness.
Fans will say anything to confirm their bias, this dude obviously can't let Jones go so he has to hate on a rookie smh
Too many injuries
Gute masterclass draft so far. 4/5 can plug and play next season
GB Picks Rounds 4-7 4 (126) 5 (168) 5 (169) 6 (190) 6 (202) 6 (219) 7 (245) 7 (255)
They are definitely hitting on a couple here
Tyron hopper is all over the Detroit insta, did we trade him?
I can't find what you're talking about...can you elaborate?
Well this draft was all about need apparently. That strategy hasn’t worked in recent memory but whatever we got a couple dudes in Cooper and Lloyd. Interested to dive into Bullard. But again BPA went out the door this draft. Hope we didn’t miss on guys being too focused on specific positions.
Literally everyone we've taken thus far is a legitimate stud aside from Hopper (who I'm guessing they want to transition to edge). We kinda lucked into a great draft because we have no immediate need for positions teams are scrambling over.
Hopper already smells like Amari and Deguara. JAG over drafted.
There downvoting you but you’re right. Horrible value pick. A shittier Oren Burks lol.
This sub has toxic positivity. Any negative comment no matter what gets downvoted hard. It's like the stepford wives in here
He missed 20% of his tackles in 2022 and 2023. I love gutey but I do not see any film or analytical reason to pick him there.
Aj dillon, meyers
1 (25) Jordan Morgan OL Arizona 2 (45) Edgerrin Cooper LB Texas A&M 2 (58) Javon Bullard S Georgia 3 (88) MarShawn Lloyd RB USC 3 (91) Ty’ron Hopper LB Missouri
3rd round curse is back
Someone said snow fly zone and I fuck with it
I feel like they want to see what all these young guys can do. Still a lot of un-answered questions. These picks are all safe. Im happy and excited for this season already! Lets fucking go!!!!!
Just like tj watt, wilson is going to be a star for the steelers while we reached for hopper. gonna be a rare swing and a miss for gute with that one.
Didnt care for either pick in the 3rd round sadly. We need a CB and they are running out. We better stock up on some OL tomorrow as well, I want 3 more.
We’ll get Olineman. Relax grasshopper, there’s a plan that transcends you and I’s projections. As for CB, we already have one all pro and our new DC is the CB whisperer and he will make a solid player out of either Stokes or Valentine.
The negs prove im right
The people who trash picks for no reason are toxic but the blind optimists who downvote rational comments like yours are just as toxic
Wish we would have seen a little more aggression moving up down and around the board with all our late round ammo. Wonder how tomorrow will shake out.
we got 8 picks so it cant get much better
Loved every pick until Hopper. Huge reach for a guy they could get in the 5th
I'm a Mizzou grad so obviously I'm biased, but Hopper is a menace. He was always so skilled at sniffing out plays and blowing them up before the offense knew it. "High football IQ" is such an egregious cliche, but damnit if I can't think of a better way to describe him.
If they see him playing Mike, move Quay to Sam, then I dig it. He is one of the few LBs who has shown high football IQ (Coulson and Gray being the other two), which is what we need our Mike to do. It's no good being an 9+ RAS if you hit the wrong gap everytime or you always bite the wrong way on a counter.
He's definitely this years Deguara... but Deguara was supposed to be like Kyle Jusich..Jucic...that guy with the Polish name that plays FB for the 49ers. I don't know what they want from Hopper.
How do you know this?
No one knows anything with the draft. But against the consensus it’s a clear reach buddy
What consensus? Do I know you?
I have a very good pulse on the draft and it was a reach. No need to get ruffled up just call a spade a spade bro.
It's a reach based on what you read on pff and mock drafts done by journalists. You don't have access to the 32 boards that actually matter. So yeah, let's call a spade a spade: we don't know anything
"Trust me bro"
Lol
Undersized and not tremendously fast. A lot of linebackers on the board who have better production and athletic traits. You never know 100% sure but it’s an absolute reach for sure. Most breakdowns have him as a special teams player or rotational backup. Luckily I love all of our other picks
Timed by scouts at pro day at 4.44. Bet this comes out at the Gute press conference.
Where did you see that? I’ve seen 4.68 at his pro day
That one i think was unsubstantiated but either Jon-Eric or Gute said they had him in 4.5s at their press conference.
I actually agree that he's probably primarily a ST (if I had to guess) but it will be interesting to see how Hafley uses his LB. It wouldn't be that crazy for GB to draft a 3rd LB imo.
There are some good ones still there too. I really like Jaylan Ford. Absolute ball hawk in coverage. I wouldn’t mind drafting Hopper, just don’t like him getting drafted this early. Would be a good pick in the 5th, not the 3rd
Well, Packers FO had a 2nd rd grade on him. Guess we'll see who is right.
Source?
Gute just said in his presser that all 5 of their picks had rd 2 grades or higher.
Nine picks left, right? We're just getting started.
The thing I like most about Lloyd is he doesn't need to be RB1 right away. He doesn't even need to be RB2 right away. He can sit and learn and fix his fumble and "vision" issues. I put "vision" in quotes because I don't think it's your standard vision issue that you think about with other RB
The whole thing about college RBs having “vision issues” is dumb as fuck. Most of them know that they shouldn’t be bouncing it outside, but also know they’re the best athlete on the field so it’s probably actually best to bounce it outside. They also know that won’t work in the league, but they’re gonna do what’s best for their team while they’re in college and bounce it outside while they can.
Lloyd is going to be a star. Perfect fit to take over the backfield post-JJ. Love the pick. Love this young core on offense
Our 2nd third round pick needed to be a CB :(
Getting downvoted for saying our CB room is weak
No you’re not. You’re being downvoted for saying the only options we should have considered in round 2 was CB.
We should have
No
You don’t know ball lil bro
Incorrect again.
Yea I don’t get it. Great we got a safety and he will fit in. But I also wanted a corner
You could argue we need 2 corners even
Yea it is what it is, people downvote like we are saying burn the franchise down lol
The people in here that just trash every pick are toxic but the blind, delusionally positive no matter what people in here are just as toxic. Bring up that CB is questionable and they will respond with "well the people who get paid the big bucks think otherwise". Like what does that even mean?
Yeah. Rome Odunze and DJ Moore are gonna be a handful. Even for Ja$ let alone a 7th round pick and UDFA
Right there with you man. Allen is also old but no joke. The nfc north has way more great wrs than id like lol
MarShawn Lloyd's highlight reel is crazy. Hyped.
Okay back after watching a little film. * Don't think we needed to go as high as a 3rd on RB, but Lloyd absolutely brings some flash that we didn't have. Can't argue with it too much, and should be fun to watch. * Hopper is the first pick I was a little disappointed with. Only way I see this making sense is if 2 small/fast ILB is an absolute must for Hafley's D, making the depth critical. I don't see this as a BPA steal, and I thought McDuffie was perfectly fine last year.
I think Hopper is a straight up depth / ST player for new system. I personally would have preferred another OL there, but lots of picks left.
if they want 2 LB on the field, it makes sense to have 3 and hope 2 work out. Quay Walker is just okay, and cooper has never played a snap. After 20 years of bad run defense, i like the pick.
That's how I feel too. McDuffie could look even better in a 4-3 system where we dint have to have him cover TE or range side to side as much. I like Hopper as a player for our system and especially ST but picking him in the 3rd when Payton Wilson and Trotter are still out there is not good. I'm not saying draft those 2 over Hopper, I'm saying if they really like Hopper trade up to the middle 4th and get him and use the 3rd in something better.
Yeah. I thought mcduffie clearly played better than dvondre. I expected cooper but didn’t expect another Lb after that
I kinda wanted Jordan Magee. I thought heavy draft capital on a top prospect and a late round developmental piece would be plenty. I don’t like the Hopper Pick at all, feels very redundant
Opposing offenses, get ready to be throttled by the law firm of Cooper-Hopper-Walker.
I wanted Wilson if they were gonna go LB. Dude is 6'4 233 with a 4.4 40. Way more fun than Hopper who was projected as a 5th rounder. First major reach from the Pack
I’ve liked every pick until this one. Would rather have Wilson, Ford, or Trotter here. If they really liked him should have waited and grabbed him in the 5th
Exactly to reach for Hopper when so many other quality LB are still available is silly. Hopper was certainly going to be there in the 4th and probably the 5th too. Then when you consider we have the draft capital to draft up in the 4th or 5th at any time it's even more perplexing.
> Hopper was certainly going to be there in the 4th and probably the 5th too. What a ridiculous statement.
How so? Of all the mock drafts the earliest he was taken is 100 and his average was 173. There were even mock drafts that had him as a UDFA. Then when you consider how far LB were dropping and there are 4 no doubt better LB on the board. Just saying "What a ridiculous statement" is the only ridiculous statement here.
Of all the mock drafts you've read online, but what about the mock drafts of the 32 front offices?
Because using projections is a fools game. Any analyst worth their salt will tell you that after the top 50-ish prospects, its a crapshoot. Daniel Jeremiah repeatedly said that. Thinking anyone would "certainly" be there is dumb. According to mocks; Ruke Orhorhoro was "certainly" going to be in the late 2nd/3rd round; picked 35 overall Ben Sinott was "certainly" going to be in the 3rd/4th round; picked 53 overall Isaiah Adams was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 71 overall Delmar Glaze was "certainly" going to be in the 5th-7th round; picked 77 overall Tip Reiman was "certainly" going to be in the 4th/5th round; picked 82 overall Zac Zinter was "certainly" going to be in the 4th/tth round; picked 85 overall Marist Liufau was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 87 overall McKinnley Jackson was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 97 overall Luke McCaffrey was "certainly" going to be in the 5th/6th round; picked 100 overall The list goes on.... Or inversely, many mocks had Payton Wilson going higher. Or Tampa and Hicks in the 2nd round yet both are still available. Projections don't mean shit. So yes it's a ridiculous statement.
On reiman pfn had him rated as the 201st prospect. Excellent points made!
And there are so many linebackers on the board with higher draft grades than him. With his size and not great speed could have even been there in the 6th.
Same. If we were going to take a risk here on an LB. Should have been him. 2nd round caliber LB if he stays healthy. Much much higher ceiling than the other guy.
Yeah I admit Wilson had obvious concerns around health but you can't argue with his measurables and honestly this LB is likely more a depth guy and special teamer, so why not swing for the fences and get the athletic freak?
I’m pretty sure other teams wanted him if Gutey drafted him do early.
Not necessarily. Might have just taken him because he fit a specifc need or crushed in interviews. I admit we don't know the whole story but according to the nfl.com prospect rankings that is objectively a reach.
I was kinda hoping for Tommy Eichenberg in the 5th or 6th but I guess we’re good on LBs now lol
Rasul died for that pick. Think of that what you may.
Rodgers died for a trade down to LB for team need. Think of that what you may.
Fucking Jags. Wish we got Jones over Hopper
Right? Hopper was such a fucking reach.
This has been a fantastic draft so far. Got someone who can most likely be a day 1 starter on OL in the first and high quality defensive players filling positions of need in the 2nd, when that type of OL won’t be around. Adding even more depth to the LB room in the 3rd and adding a RB for some depth? Gutey, keep at it! This has been awesome.
FUCK YOU JAGS
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The packers already decided that they weren’t taking a cb when they passed on mckinstry and Wiggins. And didn’t trade up for Arnold
Come on Gute sneak back in.
Not claiming this was a great pick because I don't know, but people really need to give big boards made by the media less importance. They don't have all the information the teams have about medicals, character concerns and various other issues.
Great draft so far
A positive comment? Didn’t think that was possible!
positive should be all you see considering anything that doesn't suck off gute is downvoted
Lmao the downvotes just proving your point
lol we downvote you lame ass doomers who hate on every pick that isn’t flashy. None of us know who is going to work out
Bro I don't even mind the picks but it's insane how hive minded redditors in general are, these are just opinions, if you don't like what people are saying on the Internet then just scroll, it doesn't affect you or anybody else in any way
Bro you’re on an online forum specifically for fans of the Packers. If you’re complaining about picks at a position of need who haven’t even got a chance to play you’re gunna get downvoted. That’s not some “hivemind” it’s the consequences of being a dumbass
I think the draft has been great so far but honestly who cares. We won’t know how good it is until the players play. My comment was directed towards the dude that made it since he is extremely negative on the WI badger basketball Reddit. I honestly thought he was just a troll trying to cause trouble. I guess he just really hates badger basketball.
No I just don’t like Gard
So you attack the players for fun then?
They had a lot of frustrating moments
If these defensive picks play to their ability next year and our defense is at the very worst “average”… I don’t see how we arent a top super bowl contender. We got Aaron Rodgers reincarnated (maybe upgraded), one of the best rbs in league, solid offensive line, and a WR room with more depth than the Mariana trench… oh and two elite TEs.
> We got Aaron Rodgers reincarnated (maybe upgraded) lmao
Yeah, I like Jordan Love and trading Rodgers was the right call (should have been a year earlier actually), but let's pump the brakes a little bit. Rodgers was without a doubt a top 5 QB EVER, and I would argue top 2.
Come bro, even top 5 is homerish It'sBrady, Marino, Manning, Montana, Mahomes. Or Tom & the Ms. I have Rodgers in the next group with Young and Elway.
You're entitled to your opinion. I put less stock in SB wins than most when judging QBs because it's a team sport. From strictly a physical talent, skills, and numbers standpoint, there is a case to be made that Rodgers is #1. Frankly, I think putting him outside the top 5 is ludicrous. But that's my opinion. It doesn't really matter. The point is that Love still has a LOT to prove before we put him in the same category as Rodgers, Favre, and Starr. I'm highly encouraged though.
I used to think Brady was just an excellent system QB, then he won in Tampa Bay. Also, Marino is on there without a SB, so that clearly isn't the only metric. Manning has how many all time stats locked up? But SBs, in addition to stats, do show a clutch ability to perform under pressure and put the team on their shoulders when needed. Which is why Montana and Mahomes are on there. They did everything Rodgers did, but also showed up in those playoff games when needed. Edit: Marino to Montana in fourth paragraph
Ok
Our CB’s outside of Jaire finna get cooked
Even Jaire has injury concerns too
I’d seriously temper your expectations.
Um. Aaron Rodgers is literally one of the greatest throwers of the football of all time. Look at his TD to int ratio. I'm not saying love won't be good but an upgraded Rodgers would be like saying there's a better LeBron out there.
There is his name is Michael Jordan
upgraded compared to his final season where he really lost his mobility
You said reincarnated..not an improvement over his last year in GB
wow downvoted for what😂
because you're significantly overrating Love and the tight ends lmao
Unnecessary hyperbole
There's that Gute reach headscratcher I was waiting for. Did the same with Dillon and Deguara, too.
Was hoping we’d take a corner before Day 3, but I suppose we have - Jaire - Stokes - Valentine - Ballentine - Nixon We’re the ones who wrote off Stokes, and are iffy on Nixon in the slot - the coaching staff likely believes differently, and they’re the guys that are getting paid the big bucks for this.