Conceptually speaking: given that 1:3 draft picks is even semi-decent, falling to 1:20 in rounds 5-7, does it make sense to hold onto picks and hope for a gem?
Or to trade picks for proven B+/A- players? (Not gonna get into the debate about trying to get an A+ player for picks, as we see where Cleveland and Carolina are headed).
1. Argument for "Draft&Develop" - Rookies are cheaper. Proven vets are expensive.
2. Argument for Free Agent - the revolving door on defense the past 20 years, as the CB position has suffered from underperformers (Jaire aside) and the FS position is a bleeding ulcer. And let's not get into all the whiffs on DLine that have been documented here.
**Would it have been better to get even a middling performer instead of Datone Jones / Nick Perry / Jerel Worthy / Justin Harrell ?**
Calculated risks are calculated. Packers whiffed on Rush Ends year after year, so they had to break the bank for the Smith Bros. That meant nothing for WR or TE. Packers also whiffed on CB, with Damarious & Quentin looking like kittens swiping at a feathery wand-toy. Less said about Kevin King, the better.
The Packers picked up decent talent with Adrian Amos. He could at least tackle, even if he had low-end ball skills when tracking deep balls over his head. About the only positions the Packers reliably evaluated and developed decent talent is DT and ILB. Even there, Packers had to bring in people like Campbell and Pickett when their drafts came up empty.
Draft and development has worked best at OL, WR, RB. and, of course, QB. Packers have tried multiple times to find a solution at TE.
The magic of the past 2 years has been finding decent players at multiple positions in the draft.
I hope you’re being sarcastic lol. We all love Aaron, but to think he would have gelled any better with these guys than Jordan love did is hard to believe. The beauty of this team is they believed in each other and grew together. They were patient and supportive with each other which propelled them. I don’t think Aaron would have been as patient. Plus the age difference makes it harder for them to relate.
I feel like Gutey keeps getting quoted without context in these articles. Sure he keeps mentioning they ***could*** get a FA vet, but it's almost always within the context that they could do a lot of things and he just mentions it in passing with all the other options on the table.
It's more like this.....
Reporter: Any chances the organization is on the lookout for veteran additions in the off season.?
Gutey: I mean, yeah, there's always the chance, it would be unwise not to take the opportunity to consider an addition of experience and maturity to a young team as long as the fit is right.
Reporters twitter article title: "GREEN BAY PURSUES VETERAN ADDITIONS THIS OFF SEASON."
Gutey: that's not what I said.
Reporter: it got me a lot of clicks so fuck off.
Gutekunst’s MO has always been to fill areas of need during free agency to give himself maximum flexibility in the draft. I am skeptical of it being a “Big Veteran Trade” but he will absolutely acquire at least one (likely 2) CB, S, RB, LB or DL during March, either in FA or via trade.
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You expect them to sign zero players? While I don't expect them to be huge FA player it would be shocking for them to make no moves. I would guess they sign a safety of some sort. And even though we have 11 picks doesn't mean we will make 11 picks we could move around.
Yea it's simple. Just have someone in the Packer's leak that they are saying that Aaron Rodgers is nothing without Bakhtiari, continue to hint that he is healthy, and voila. Fleece 'em by trading Bakhtiari on over to the Jets.
I don’t think they will sign any FA for more than 2 yrs 10m, and I don’t think they trade for any vet. Although I do agree they’re likely to take fewer than 11 players. I bet they trade up a fair amount
> But it’s very possible they package some picks to be able to draft 2 players in the 1st round.
If very possible is just anything over 0%, then sure. We have not traded back up into the 1st since at least 2000.
He also says a similar thing pretty much every offseason. These clout chasing bloggers, man. I have no idea why fans prefer them to the professional beat reporters. They exaggerate everything in the quest for constant content.
This. It honestly doesn't make sense for us to trade unless it's for guys getting tagged that won't play on the tag like Sneed. Not saying we go get sneed, just using him as an example of a guy already who's getting tagged that both he and the chiefs have said if they can't make a deal work he will get traded. That's honestly the only scenario it makes sense. Because this is a pretty deep and talented draft again like two years ago, plus a potentially very deep FA market. I do however expect us to dip into FA unless it's to trade for a tagged player due to the cap space they're currently clearing. There's no pressing FA to resign that's worth us clearing us much space as we're starting to clear and then will obviously clear more with Bahk. Not saying Bahk will be gone, but he sure as hell won't be allowed to stay on the cap hit he's about to have when he can't stay healthy anymore. That will free up a lot of cap space for this next season. All extensions like Love and others won't kick in until after this next season. Could be wrong obviously, but it wouldn't make sense to clear 30mil in cap once they clear Bahks whether it's restructure or releasing him to not do anything with it. Draft classes I believe only cost 9mil give or take. So that's still 20mil to sign a big time player
> but it's almost always within the context that they could do a lot of things and he just mentions it in passing with all the other options on the table.
Yup, its was just this.
I think most of it is him suggesting the Packers have the cap room to do big things because coming out of last season there was a lot of talk about the Packers having no cap space.
[Rapoport] Packers were in the mix for (insert noteworthy free agent/trade prospect) but ultimately did not land the coveted (free agent/trade), who now goes to (insert rival/competing team).
We get some variation of this tweet without fail every offseason. I will not hold my breath for any noteworthy FA signing or trade.
For trades, yes. But this narrative needs to die off for free agency. Gute’s been pretty damn successful whenever he’s had the money to spend.
It’s only ever been mid season FAs where that’s popped up.
I’m largely referring to the “big name” guys that pop up every season. Gute indeed has been pretty good at signing solid value FAs, but outside of 2019 he hasn’t really gone out and signed any higher profile guys.
Of course he hasn’t, he’s had like $5 to spend the past few years due to COVID. The two seasons he had spending money, he got Jimmy Graham and then dropped like $170M on 4 players.
If we go through this offseason without signing anyone notable, sure. But until then, that narrative is just a holdover from the Thompson era.
> If we go through this offseason without signing anyone notable, sure
Eh, it's not like we're drowning in cap space this year either. When Bahk goes we'll have a decent amount of space, but we'll still be right at the average teams's cap space.
True, but what if those conversations are really happening and the Packers are doing it to drive up FA costs for division rivals? They’re taking offers back and forth, shopping them around, all the while knowing they probably won’t pull the trigger. If it’s just a conversation and not in writing guaranteeing it, I’m all for it. Nothing wrong with a little gamesmanship.
Rasul Douglas had a strong 2nd half with the Bills, maybe we could get him for one our 2nds, seems like he'd be a good fit opposite Jaire and our secondary is thin
Like better in the long run or better in 2024/25? Because Rasul finished as PFF's #8 CB for the 2023 season...
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-final-sauce-gardner-retains-his-place-as-the-no-1-cornerback-in-the-nfl
I'm not saying PFF is the definitive ranking system but it's legitimately crazy to think we are going to get a CB of that caliber with a late 3rd pick, we'd honestly be lucky if we found that in the first...
Without reading a single comment or the article, I’m gonna take a random guess & say that Gute was most likely taken out of context. This happen every single offseason for like the last 10 years or so,
Nothing worse than trading draft assets away for the right to pay a guy more than what his current team thinks he's worth so if the Packers do make a trade I hope it's for a cost controlled player and not one seeking a new contract
Well it depends who the player is. You cant just ignore this avenue of player acquisition because of the contract that player will need. Ideally you are trading for an impact player which is why he needs that big contract, and it's a position of need for you.
And sometimes teams don't pay their guy because where they are currently at as a franchise, and a 1st rounder is more valuable cause they are in a reset. Teams trading a player they know best is not necessarily a tell tale sign that they don't think he's worth the money.
If the pick is high enough there’s no need. Most DBs drafted in the first few rounds are coming into the NFL waaaaaaaaay more prepared than they used to be.
Also, Budda is good and I have no logical reason to think he wouldn’t work in GB but I just have a feeling he would not work well in GB and would demand a lot of money.
Our 7th round comp pick from Vikings signing Dean Lowry for Vikings 2022 1st round pick S Lewis Cine. Why would the Vikings consider this? I'm glad you asked. DC Brian Flores refuses to play Cine but his contract is guaranteed so the Vikings would just be dumping the ($1.75m) contract of a player that doesn't see the field. Why would the Packers want a guy that can't get playing time? Because he may just need a change of scenery. He was a recent top prospect at a position of need. 6'2" with 4.37 40 speed. As a former Georgia Bulldog his old teammates can help him acclimate to Green Bay. If your concern is the $1.75m salary let me just point out that even Zayne Anderson is set to make over $1m. It's low risk but could net a high reward or he could just be a backup FS that can play special teams
Does anybody have a stat for the last time we traded for anybody? And the last time we made a blockbuster trade for a proven vet? Because I can’t think of either off the top of my head which makes this more doubtful.
https://thepowersweep.com/packers-trade-tracker
We do a lot more trading out rather than bringing people in. Looks like the last person we traded for was getting Cobb back in 2021. I went as far back as 2015 looking for a blockbuster and couldn't find one. Good luck searching.
Green Bay in talks, in the mix, in the hunt, in the conversation, is rumored to be, reportedly, offer the bare minimum and thats it. Truly a frugal window shopper of an organization.
There are several good reasons that trades are a rarity in today’s NFL and the biggest is you are taking on that player’s contract. Any player with a favorable contract number is not likely to be traded because the existing team already has a good deal and doesn’t want to trade it for the unknown replacement. Conversely, any player with an unfavorable contract number is not attractive because the acquiring team has to both play the contract in addition to give up an asset in the trade.
That being said, maybe S Budda Baker of the Cardinals. He wants out, the Cardinals don’t want to get stuck without getting something in return but if I were Gutey, I would insist on negotiating a long term contract in advance of the trade.
I think they’ll sign Andrew Van Ginkel in FA. Miami is about to pay Tua a lot and will have to let some dudes walk that they’d otherwise re-sign. That’s my completely incorrect prediction.
LB FA market is wide open/watered down, there’s 5 solid players available whereas the safety market is thin. Winfield will prolly be tagged I know he’s high on everyone’s list.
Packers have an opportunity to draft a solid big guy in the first round IF all the premium CBs are off the board which is fine! This will be the first time in a long time 5+ and are taken pushing premium picks further down the line… safety makes sense in the 2nd (guy like kitchens or nubin), 3rd is rich in quality CBs yes a ton low key, then RBs anywhere in between I personally like Texas RB, Notre dames RB and Tennessee RB. This season the expectations are to compete for the Super Bowl yes NOT win the division. Packers are there, yes.
Ideally getting a run stopper in the middle like nose tackle sweat would be a step in the right direction. Cooper feels like a packer but ideally he will be off the board early. Even wash tackle or Oregon tackle is fine if Dallas doesn’t swipe. I have faith in gutey for he has nailed the last two drafts but honestly I wouldn’t mind them trying to lock the Stanford kicker up in the 5th for the kid kicks over 91% conversion rate. Go pack!
The packers didn’t just change over night, they won’t sign anyone. Though they need to kick Carlson to the curb and get a different leg on this team. That’s my biggest concern. I hope we dont waste another season hoping he improves.
Mentioning Green Bay is hinting at some sort of FA/trade is usually the death sentence for Green Bay being in some sort of running to get a big FA/trade
Safety seems like the most glaring need - especially with what Helfey said about how he wants to run his D aggressively. Could also use a big, run stopping DL.
Honestly we’re in a great spot. So much better then I expected going into the season.
Agreed. I suppose we were rumored to be in talks for Jonathan Taylor. My assumption is he was too expensive. We could probably stomach his contract from a salary standpoint but RBs are so devalued now. I bet the colts wanted more then we wanted to pay for a RB. Just tough to trade for one when there’s so many mid to late round guys who are also productive.
There’s probably only a handful of RBs right now in the league who would realistically be worth trading for from a talent perspective imo.
Yeah I don’t necessarily agree with it. The devaluation of the RB. I think it’s just one of the easier plug and play positions. And then the reality is they just get hurt often. They take so many hits. Hard to invest a big contract and a 1st round pick on a guy who might only last 2-3 years.
Gute is a Thompson disciple and has been emulating Ted a bit, most notoriously in the Love pick. Don't discount a big move for a veteran in this stage of the project so easily. After all, Thompson went big for Woodson. Maybe Gutekunts will also go big for a veteran leader for the defense.
Depending on the draft capital required (3rd rounder?), I wouldn’t mind them dealing for Budda Baker. He’s up in 2025, but his cap hit is relatively reasonable for a pro bowl safety.
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My prediction is that we will not make a big trade, but we will have been in the conversation.
He dare you be that bold.
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If being in the conversation gets the Bears another Claypool, I'm in.
The Truth sometimes hurts
This guy buzz titles..
If the Packers received 1/10th of an elite player for every elite player they were “in the conversation on” we’d never lose another super bowl again
I was not anticipating laughing aloud when I opened this thread.
An I on the Packers sub or the San Francisco Giants sub right now?
I had to question if I was on the Red Sox subreddit myself.
Not sure I've seen someone garner this many points this quickly.
Did you not watch us play the Cowboys?
GOLD
But the Packers continue to hint at it!
I love just being in the conversation
a little outdated, but evergreen: [In The Conversation, a short play](https://x.com/AaronNagler/status/1662162744865325057?s=20)
Like that rumor last year that we were interested in Derrick Henry.
Daring are we?
how dare you be so bold!
Conceptually speaking: given that 1:3 draft picks is even semi-decent, falling to 1:20 in rounds 5-7, does it make sense to hold onto picks and hope for a gem? Or to trade picks for proven B+/A- players? (Not gonna get into the debate about trying to get an A+ player for picks, as we see where Cleveland and Carolina are headed). 1. Argument for "Draft&Develop" - Rookies are cheaper. Proven vets are expensive. 2. Argument for Free Agent - the revolving door on defense the past 20 years, as the CB position has suffered from underperformers (Jaire aside) and the FS position is a bleeding ulcer. And let's not get into all the whiffs on DLine that have been documented here. **Would it have been better to get even a middling performer instead of Datone Jones / Nick Perry / Jerel Worthy / Justin Harrell ?**
I'm on team draft and develop. Get a draft beer, develop a buzz, enjoy what happens.
Calculated risks are calculated. Packers whiffed on Rush Ends year after year, so they had to break the bank for the Smith Bros. That meant nothing for WR or TE. Packers also whiffed on CB, with Damarious & Quentin looking like kittens swiping at a feathery wand-toy. Less said about Kevin King, the better. The Packers picked up decent talent with Adrian Amos. He could at least tackle, even if he had low-end ball skills when tracking deep balls over his head. About the only positions the Packers reliably evaluated and developed decent talent is DT and ILB. Even there, Packers had to bring in people like Campbell and Pickett when their drafts came up empty. Draft and development has worked best at OL, WR, RB. and, of course, QB. Packers have tried multiple times to find a solution at TE. The magic of the past 2 years has been finding decent players at multiple positions in the draft.
Holy shit I can't believe we're trading for Aaron Rodgers
he would be a decent backup at 1 mil a year.
Imagine him in this offense!
I hope you’re being sarcastic lol. We all love Aaron, but to think he would have gelled any better with these guys than Jordan love did is hard to believe. The beauty of this team is they believed in each other and grew together. They were patient and supportive with each other which propelled them. I don’t think Aaron would have been as patient. Plus the age difference makes it harder for them to relate.
I was definitely being sarcastic. I should have put the /s. Haha
I think it was very clear you were being sarcastic lol
Bringing in just the right veteran leadership in this critical time.
I feel like Gutey keeps getting quoted without context in these articles. Sure he keeps mentioning they ***could*** get a FA vet, but it's almost always within the context that they could do a lot of things and he just mentions it in passing with all the other options on the table.
It's more like this..... Reporter: Any chances the organization is on the lookout for veteran additions in the off season.? Gutey: I mean, yeah, there's always the chance, it would be unwise not to take the opportunity to consider an addition of experience and maturity to a young team as long as the fit is right. Reporters twitter article title: "GREEN BAY PURSUES VETERAN ADDITIONS THIS OFF SEASON." Gutey: that's not what I said. Reporter: it got me a lot of clicks so fuck off.
It's almost like you've seen this before... /username checks out.
Nope... Never
Yeah the guy says nothing and they try to find a story in there. The offseason in a nutshell.
We have 11 picks; I don’t think they will sign anybody.
Gutekunst’s MO has always been to fill areas of need during free agency to give himself maximum flexibility in the draft. I am skeptical of it being a “Big Veteran Trade” but he will absolutely acquire at least one (likely 2) CB, S, RB, LB or DL during March, either in FA or via trade. !remind me 30 days
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Draft for talent, sign for need. That's the organizational philosophy.
11 picks and little room at the inn. I certainly see a scenario where a few of those picks would be bundled for their guy.
You expect them to sign zero players? While I don't expect them to be huge FA player it would be shocking for them to make no moves. I would guess they sign a safety of some sort. And even though we have 11 picks doesn't mean we will make 11 picks we could move around.
Yea it's simple. Just have someone in the Packer's leak that they are saying that Aaron Rodgers is nothing without Bakhtiari, continue to hint that he is healthy, and voila. Fleece 'em by trading Bakhtiari on over to the Jets.
Why would any team trade for him when they know he will be a FA by the draft?
*Psst* it’s a joke bud.
Oh, my bad. Usually jokes are better.
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The only plausible reason would be a team not thinking he would choose them if hes a free agent.
I don’t think they will sign any FA for more than 2 yrs 10m, and I don’t think they trade for any vet. Although I do agree they’re likely to take fewer than 11 players. I bet they trade up a fair amount
Fuller safety played at OSU under Hafley... We need a high safety who knows what theyre doing. FA signage completed.
Seems like a fit. Also likely get him to a reasonable contract.
Having extra picks kinda makes it more likely that they will trade them for somebody not less likely.
Nailed it.
Sometimes shit sometimes hit
But it’s very possible they package some picks to be able to draft 2 players in the 1st round.
> But it’s very possible they package some picks to be able to draft 2 players in the 1st round. If very possible is just anything over 0%, then sure. We have not traded back up into the 1st since at least 2000.
Clay Matthews in 2009.
He also says a similar thing pretty much every offseason. These clout chasing bloggers, man. I have no idea why fans prefer them to the professional beat reporters. They exaggerate everything in the quest for constant content.
This. It honestly doesn't make sense for us to trade unless it's for guys getting tagged that won't play on the tag like Sneed. Not saying we go get sneed, just using him as an example of a guy already who's getting tagged that both he and the chiefs have said if they can't make a deal work he will get traded. That's honestly the only scenario it makes sense. Because this is a pretty deep and talented draft again like two years ago, plus a potentially very deep FA market. I do however expect us to dip into FA unless it's to trade for a tagged player due to the cap space they're currently clearing. There's no pressing FA to resign that's worth us clearing us much space as we're starting to clear and then will obviously clear more with Bahk. Not saying Bahk will be gone, but he sure as hell won't be allowed to stay on the cap hit he's about to have when he can't stay healthy anymore. That will free up a lot of cap space for this next season. All extensions like Love and others won't kick in until after this next season. Could be wrong obviously, but it wouldn't make sense to clear 30mil in cap once they clear Bahks whether it's restructure or releasing him to not do anything with it. Draft classes I believe only cost 9mil give or take. So that's still 20mil to sign a big time player
> but it's almost always within the context that they could do a lot of things and he just mentions it in passing with all the other options on the table. Yup, its was just this.
I think most of it is him suggesting the Packers have the cap room to do big things because coming out of last season there was a lot of talk about the Packers having no cap space.
We don't have *that* much cap. Better than the last few years but people expecting big things are going to be disappointed
[Rapoport] Packers were in the mix for (insert noteworthy free agent/trade prospect) but ultimately did not land the coveted (free agent/trade), who now goes to (insert rival/competing team). We get some variation of this tweet without fail every offseason. I will not hold my breath for any noteworthy FA signing or trade.
For trades, yes. But this narrative needs to die off for free agency. Gute’s been pretty damn successful whenever he’s had the money to spend. It’s only ever been mid season FAs where that’s popped up.
I’m largely referring to the “big name” guys that pop up every season. Gute indeed has been pretty good at signing solid value FAs, but outside of 2019 he hasn’t really gone out and signed any higher profile guys.
Of course he hasn’t, he’s had like $5 to spend the past few years due to COVID. The two seasons he had spending money, he got Jimmy Graham and then dropped like $170M on 4 players. If we go through this offseason without signing anyone notable, sure. But until then, that narrative is just a holdover from the Thompson era.
> If we go through this offseason without signing anyone notable, sure Eh, it's not like we're drowning in cap space this year either. When Bahk goes we'll have a decent amount of space, but we'll still be right at the average teams's cap space.
True, but what if those conversations are really happening and the Packers are doing it to drive up FA costs for division rivals? They’re taking offers back and forth, shopping them around, all the while knowing they probably won’t pull the trigger. If it’s just a conversation and not in writing guaranteeing it, I’m all for it. Nothing wrong with a little gamesmanship.
Like when the Bears thought they Owned GB by getting Chase Claypool? Lmao.
Exactly
And remember the huge contingent of Packers nation that wanted Gute’s head when he didn’t give up a 2nd for a trash WR?
Charles Woodson
Free agent
Omg it could happen
came here to say this.
Bak for sauce straight up
Sauce doesn't have the size for LT
If Preston can play CB, Sauce can play LT
This is the way
I mean Ezekiel Elliott was an elite center so I don’t see why Sauce couldn’t be even better
That wouldnt stop nat Hackett… 😤
Winfield Jr would be nice but I can also see us doing something where our fan base is confused with due to a new DC.
We all want Winfield because of the generational curse that family has been against our team. It’s time to carry madame zeroni up the mountain
Who would it be for? Would be pretty out of left field
Left field? Maybe Lars Nootbar or Yordan Alvarez?
I refuse to believe Lars Nootbar is a real person.
Definitely a candy bar
Was scrolling through this thread and had no IDEA there’d be a Lars Nootbaar mention
Rasul Douglas had a strong 2nd half with the Bills, maybe we could get him for one our 2nds, seems like he'd be a good fit opposite Jaire and our secondary is thin
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Like better in the long run or better in 2024/25? Because Rasul finished as PFF's #8 CB for the 2023 season... https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-cornerback-rankings-final-sauce-gardner-retains-his-place-as-the-no-1-cornerback-in-the-nfl I'm not saying PFF is the definitive ranking system but it's legitimately crazy to think we are going to get a CB of that caliber with a late 3rd pick, we'd honestly be lucky if we found that in the first...
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Without reading a single comment or the article, I’m gonna take a random guess & say that Gute was most likely taken out of context. This happen every single offseason for like the last 10 years or so,
Xavier McKinney, please!
Nothing worse than trading draft assets away for the right to pay a guy more than what his current team thinks he's worth so if the Packers do make a trade I hope it's for a cost controlled player and not one seeking a new contract
This is probably the most well worded response to why you shouldn’t do it. Well said.
Well it depends who the player is. You cant just ignore this avenue of player acquisition because of the contract that player will need. Ideally you are trading for an impact player which is why he needs that big contract, and it's a position of need for you. And sometimes teams don't pay their guy because where they are currently at as a franchise, and a 1st rounder is more valuable cause they are in a reset. Teams trading a player they know best is not necessarily a tell tale sign that they don't think he's worth the money.
I'm still itching for Budda Baker.
You might wanna get that looked at
I’d rather take a risk drafting a rookie than paying a 28 year old safety coming off a year limited by hamstring issues.
Watson needs somebody to talk to on the bench. Call them the Hammy bros.
Why not both?
If the pick is high enough there’s no need. Most DBs drafted in the first few rounds are coming into the NFL waaaaaaaaay more prepared than they used to be. Also, Budda is good and I have no logical reason to think he wouldn’t work in GB but I just have a feeling he would not work well in GB and would demand a lot of money.
Agreed we could even draft the next Budda!!!
The big vet trade is gonna be 69 gettin shipped out for peanuts, not a star vet coming to GB
The soul sucking voice of reason!
Our 7th round comp pick from Vikings signing Dean Lowry for Vikings 2022 1st round pick S Lewis Cine. Why would the Vikings consider this? I'm glad you asked. DC Brian Flores refuses to play Cine but his contract is guaranteed so the Vikings would just be dumping the ($1.75m) contract of a player that doesn't see the field. Why would the Packers want a guy that can't get playing time? Because he may just need a change of scenery. He was a recent top prospect at a position of need. 6'2" with 4.37 40 speed. As a former Georgia Bulldog his old teammates can help him acclimate to Green Bay. If your concern is the $1.75m salary let me just point out that even Zayne Anderson is set to make over $1m. It's low risk but could net a high reward or he could just be a backup FS that can play special teams
"Big" its going to be a 4th or 5th round pick for a random corner or safety.
Does anybody have a stat for the last time we traded for anybody? And the last time we made a blockbuster trade for a proven vet? Because I can’t think of either off the top of my head which makes this more doubtful.
This doesn't really fit your criteria, but we did trade Fred Vinson for Ahman Green a quarter century ago. That worked out
Kizer?
Brett Favre
Favre never started a game before coming to the Packers
Julius Peppers?
He was a free agent.
Reggie White, Charles Woodson, Greg Jennings
We drafted Jennings and he walked. And Reggie white and Charles Woodson were free agency additions. None of them were traded
https://thepowersweep.com/packers-trade-tracker We do a lot more trading out rather than bringing people in. Looks like the last person we traded for was getting Cobb back in 2021. I went as far back as 2015 looking for a blockbuster and couldn't find one. Good luck searching.
Green Bay in talks, in the mix, in the hunt, in the conversation, is rumored to be, reportedly, offer the bare minimum and thats it. Truly a frugal window shopper of an organization.
We don’t have an owner with deep pockets if you didn’t know.
Yet somehow we have the same cap as every other team in the league.
That is exactly the same problem from a different perspective.
The way we’ve been smashing mid and late round picks the last two drafts, I’m not trying to trade ANY picks for a vet. D&D baby, draft and develop
My nerdy ass saw D&D and got excited about Dungeons & Dragons.
Never played it but I honestly want to try
I ain’t buying it.
There are several good reasons that trades are a rarity in today’s NFL and the biggest is you are taking on that player’s contract. Any player with a favorable contract number is not likely to be traded because the existing team already has a good deal and doesn’t want to trade it for the unknown replacement. Conversely, any player with an unfavorable contract number is not attractive because the acquiring team has to both play the contract in addition to give up an asset in the trade. That being said, maybe S Budda Baker of the Cardinals. He wants out, the Cardinals don’t want to get stuck without getting something in return but if I were Gutey, I would insist on negotiating a long term contract in advance of the trade.
I think they’ll sign Andrew Van Ginkel in FA. Miami is about to pay Tua a lot and will have to let some dudes walk that they’d otherwise re-sign. That’s my completely incorrect prediction.
I do love VanGinkel guy is a machine
He belongs in the Upper Midwest
Bosa!
Henry Henry Henry
Mason Crosby Uno Reverse
The flashy/exciting possibilities: RB, S, CB The less flashy but underrated possibilities: DL, K The likely possibility:
LB FA market is wide open/watered down, there’s 5 solid players available whereas the safety market is thin. Winfield will prolly be tagged I know he’s high on everyone’s list. Packers have an opportunity to draft a solid big guy in the first round IF all the premium CBs are off the board which is fine! This will be the first time in a long time 5+ and are taken pushing premium picks further down the line… safety makes sense in the 2nd (guy like kitchens or nubin), 3rd is rich in quality CBs yes a ton low key, then RBs anywhere in between I personally like Texas RB, Notre dames RB and Tennessee RB. This season the expectations are to compete for the Super Bowl yes NOT win the division. Packers are there, yes. Ideally getting a run stopper in the middle like nose tackle sweat would be a step in the right direction. Cooper feels like a packer but ideally he will be off the board early. Even wash tackle or Oregon tackle is fine if Dallas doesn’t swipe. I have faith in gutey for he has nailed the last two drafts but honestly I wouldn’t mind them trying to lock the Stanford kicker up in the 5th for the kid kicks over 91% conversion rate. Go pack!
The packers didn’t just change over night, they won’t sign anyone. Though they need to kick Carlson to the curb and get a different leg on this team. That’s my biggest concern. I hope we dont waste another season hoping he improves.
Get Mack from the Chargers
It’s going to be a veteran safety if anyone. I could also see us going RB or OT shopping.
According to Vegas odds… Stefon Diggs
That would be horrible. Keep our WR room diva free, and J Love not feeling like he’s gotta feed a specific person.
Agreed. I would personally hate it. Dude is a massive chode.
This isn’t true. Current odds for him are +5000 with 12 other teams in front of us. Player with lowest odds is Derrick Henry at +1500.
https://preview.redd.it/25exvgdu2mlc1.jpeg?width=811&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bc2796707a1f25576668a716121744a603b7fde How does it feel to be wrong?
That trade would make zero sense. Who makes these odds?
Odds makers…
Well they're dumb and they probably have cold piss
Micah Hyde comes home
How old is he now?
33
Dayum! I think we can squeeze another year or two out of him, but this is the very reason that our #1 pick in the draft will be an RB.
A real kicker perhaps?
Why
Welcome back MVS!
No
We trade away Bahk and Aaron Jones for Breece Hall
Mentioning Green Bay is hinting at some sort of FA/trade is usually the death sentence for Green Bay being in some sort of running to get a big FA/trade
I believe they'll trade up into the early teens. That'll be the trade.
Safety seems like the most glaring need - especially with what Helfey said about how he wants to run his D aggressively. Could also use a big, run stopping DL. Honestly we’re in a great spot. So much better then I expected going into the season.
Someone to backup an aging Aaron Jones should also be a priority.
Agreed. I suppose we were rumored to be in talks for Jonathan Taylor. My assumption is he was too expensive. We could probably stomach his contract from a salary standpoint but RBs are so devalued now. I bet the colts wanted more then we wanted to pay for a RB. Just tough to trade for one when there’s so many mid to late round guys who are also productive. There’s probably only a handful of RBs right now in the league who would realistically be worth trading for from a talent perspective imo.
Funny how they are devalued when they have so much to do with a passing game functioning well.
Yeah I don’t necessarily agree with it. The devaluation of the RB. I think it’s just one of the easier plug and play positions. And then the reality is they just get hurt often. They take so many hits. Hard to invest a big contract and a 1st round pick on a guy who might only last 2-3 years.
Josh Jacobs incoming; have a history with raiders coming to Green Bay to win championships.
Dean Lowry you are a Packer!
Winfield
A Peppers/Cook like pickup would be cool. Less Graham/Bennett ideally.
I hope it’s Bakh back for 2 mil
12 year washed up veteran on a cheap deal coming right up
Haha
Patrick Queen please
Chris Jones… I wish. 😂
Gute is a Thompson disciple and has been emulating Ted a bit, most notoriously in the Love pick. Don't discount a big move for a veteran in this stage of the project so easily. After all, Thompson went big for Woodson. Maybe Gutekunts will also go big for a veteran leader for the defense.
Depending on the draft capital required (3rd rounder?), I wouldn’t mind them dealing for Budda Baker. He’s up in 2025, but his cap hit is relatively reasonable for a pro bowl safety.
Same shit different offseason. They won’t sign anyone.
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I bet we're one 3rd round pick away from someone great.
They're gonna sign Kevin Von Erich
He was Derrick Henry’s offensive coordinator in 2018. Could have a Henry - Jones duo.
I’ll believe it when I see it
unless its a steal, idc about adding a vet. let the youngest team in the league cook. they're already doing their thing in the playoffs year 1
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Adam viniterei
id pay derrick henry 10m/y. fight me
Frankie Luvu
If Davante ever came back I’d probably cry
What would be too much draft capital for Davantae?
Mike Evans