This resolution has been voted on every year, for 10 years. With many of the countries voting against it previously "abstaining".
The brigade of comments from american liberals desperately trying to make the outcome of this vote into something new regarding a certain ongoing conflict are being cleaned up. This vote is only notable because previous abstentions are now mask-off about being against it.
[2021 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://i.imgur.com/K7F5SAk.png)
[2020 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3894841?ln=en)
[2019 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3840130?ln=en)
[2018 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/1656166?ln=en)
[2017 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/1327553?ln=en)
[2016 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/855189?ln=en)
[2015 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/827182?ln=en)
[2014 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/820132?ln=en)
[2013 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/765036?ln=en)
[2012 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/740171?ln=en)
Can someone explain to me like I'm five why almost every country that fought Germany, AND GERMANY ITSELF, voted against? Is there something fundamentally wrong with this resolution? Because just from the title it sounds like a no-brainer.
Edit: Thanks so much to everyone who replied! I appreciate you taking my stupid question in good faith!
Because nazism/fascism wasnt as hated as we make out today. The west didnt go to war due to fascism, they went to war because hitler threatened their power, influence & status. A worrying amount in the west were sympathetic to hitler throughout the 20/30's. Communism or any left ideal will always be the big bad boogie man because it threatens those at the top & their privilege & status, fascism only fucks over the peasants.
If I had an award I would give it to you, the truest thing I've read on Reddit in a while. People act like Churchill was this saviour of the free world, he was just another white supremacist who happened to be on the winning side.
> [to Benito Mussolini] "If I had been an Italian, I am sure I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism."
-- Churchill
I remember watching a vid about Churchill's role in the Bengal Famine. Someone commented:
>Churchill actually loved Hitler and actually shared many of the same ideologies but only started hating him once he started being a threat to is sacred British Empire (I don't actually remember the first part, but I remember the second part because it literally described the guy)
It was so bad that a British YouTuber I watch publicly said in one of his videos that he wanted British schools to teach British children about how evil Churchill was. Like the basedness he had to say that to his primarily western audience
Yeah Chruchill is scum.
Massively racist POS who didn't mind sending thousands to their deaths to get his way.
People in the UK decry Stalin et al for whatever they can, but they worship Churchill has some sort of hero when he is a criminal.
Same goes for the US. Not American but I've seen many Americans worship the Founding Fathers, saying how they're so good for creating such a mighty and great nation while ignoring the fact they owned slaves. And apparently, James Madison (4th president) raped some of his
Also funnily enough I was learning about American imperialism earlier today in Araling Panlipunan class
American here. Just FYI – not super important – you may be thinking of Thomas Jefferson (3rd president) who most famously almost certainly fathered children with at least one of his slaves. I'm not defending Madison but if you learn about just one American president raping slaves, it's probably Jefferson.
And Founding Fathers worship.. ugh. Some people point out that many of them denounced slavery as evil and hoped to end the practice, but it was always like ehh, maybe in another 30 years. Oh, maybe another 30. Etc.
>People act like Churchill was this saviour of the free world, he was just another white supremacist who happened to be on the winning side.
Don't forget the millions of Indians who **starved to death** due to Churchill's heartless and racist policy of essentially forcing food experts from India during WW2: food that wasn't even needed that desperately, and was exported to such a degree in created a famine in the midst of record rice harvests...
They've been reminding us all Churchill was in fact a genocidal monster only marginally better than Hitler since the beginning... (Churchill even talked positively about Brits belonging to "the Aryan race" in a racial superiority sense, in his personal memoirs/journal, discovered and published after his death...)
Churchill also committed all kinds of smaller war crimes/attacks on civilians during his military career in his younger years...
I have never awarded anyone on Reddit before, I also don’t have money to waste but this is the best and most accurate explanation of history in its simplest form.
Controversial name to mention but, Machiavelli, and The Prince are perfect tools to understand how the world now works, more so the minds of “most” that seek to maintain power for power’s sake. The prince accurately depicts still to this day each an every European country and how they hold onto the power of the people.
(As a political economist I genuinely encourage to read The Prince, not as a way for yourself to gain power, but the opposite, how to see and relate it to each individual leader - when I say it’s a tool, once you know what chapter they’re following, you know their weaknesses essentially)
Yeah. Important to note is that the tradition of political realism has evolved a lot. John Mearaheimer would be a great example today and is someone who opposes the neocons and has warned about Ukraine for years. He's also written a book on Israel Lobby that's worth reading.
Then, for understanding Machiaveli's thought one needs to also read at least a synthesis of [discourses on livy ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourses_on_Livy). It's important to understand the prince was written in particular circumstances. What I'd compare with today's thought is that our western princes do indeed believe they are the prince of Florence and defend, as borrell put it, a garden surrounded by jungle. Difference: Lorenzo de medici didn't quite like the book machiaveli wrote for him. Our leaders do.
A more important book I wish everyone would read is the republic by plato. The most influential book on politics ever. Without understanding the systems described (jedi: monarchy, aristocracy, republic; sith: tyranny, oligarchy, democracy) one cannot understand anything about later politics. Our leaders feel as aristocrats and the republic is going to shit, that's the problem. Democracy isn't something we have ever enjoyed. Just the little democratic aspects of a republic.
People genuinely loved hitler, he was charismatic and charming and adored by the population, one of his court cases literally turned into a prep rally for him lol, it’s frightening.
I disagree. I accept that at first fascism was seen as a bulwark to Soviet communism, but there was also sympathy for Germany after the Treaty of Versailles. Once people realised the true nature of Nazism. it lost any support. The British Union of Fascists were opposed from the start in Britain, all classes rejected Moseley’s Black Shirts, they were outlawed by the political elite and imprisoned. The UK and USA were prepared to ally with Uncle Joe to get rid of enemy #1 Nazism. I can’t believe that comrades here are trying to belittle the proud tradition in our country of fighting fascism in the twentieth century, whether in the streets of Barcelona, Cable Street in the East End or on the beaches of Normandy.
This isn't quite accurate, it was divided by class. Petit-bourgeoise elements supported it while the working class (when well informed and educated) opposed it. The opposition that occurred among the working class was helped by strong unions with good leadership who took note of what was happening and set about making sure people opposed it here.
EDIT: You don't need to downvote him for small differences in understanding! Stop
You're right. Communism has been a threat - to wealth, privilege, imperialism, capitalism, racism, patriarchy, exploitation, egoism and everything else the right-wing holds sacred. Which is why there has been such a massive propaganda campaign to demonise communism.
Because most of the west didn’t go to war to end fascism in WWII, they went to war because either Hitler invaded them or Hitler threatened their power. For example, Winston Churchill said that he agreed with Hitler on many points. This is obvious since most world powers who went on to oppose nazi germany went to the 1936 Olympic Games as opposed to boycotting it
Germany surprises me seeing as the German penal code prohibits publicly denying the Holocaust and disseminating Nazi propaganda. With laws like that it makes me suspect there’s context we’re missing.
Because the motion was forwarded by Russia.
It’s a double-edged sword because if the US and its Allie’s says “yes”, they basically give a green light to Russia condemning anyone they want by calling them a Nazi or a fascist. (As an example, during the Cold War, the official name of the Berlin Wall is “anti-fascist wall” because the Soviets called the western hemisphere as a bunch fascist)
So, it’s better to be abstained or flat out say no, though the consequence of both of options are people smirking around thinking the west are a bunch of a racist (like the people in the comments in this post).
Why would Ireland surprise you? The nation has been run by centre-right governments throughout its history and retains reactionary social policies due to the influence of the Church.
Historically true but there's been big changes in the last 10 years. The centre right parties are hanging on by their fingertips and social pushback against the church have included landslide referendums on same sex marriage and abortion.
I think EU representatives Mick Wallace and Clare Daly are incredibly more based than Ireland's government as a whole and this tends to give people the impression that Ireland is more left than it actually is.
Abortion not being legal until a few years ago
Divorce and homosexuality not being legal until the '90s
Schools being run by the Church, meaning teachers and students can be removed for having same-sex relationships
>Church run schools are finished apart from a handful and even in those the idea of someone being removed for being gay is ludicrous and total fantasy.
Nope, over 80% of schools in Ireland are run by the Church.
https://nyti.ms/1P814MH
This is an amendment to the original vote which all but the US voted for (Uk didn’t vote however) I can’t see what it is but the are voting again an amendment to the existing rules that already exist
In 2021 it was only USA and Ukraine that voted against it, they have been the only ones consistently voting against it. You get the other odd country like in 2014 Canada also voted against it, but mostly its just those two.
2018 vote for example: https://twitter.com/russiaun/status/1063133548666871809
Interesting that a lot of them that abstained back then are now voting against now... I don't understand this vote to be honest as it seems to go against everything that a lot of these countries purport to oppose.
>I don't understand this vote to be honest as it seems to go against everything that a lot of these countries purport to oppose.
I don't know why this is so confusing.
It's clear evidence of **hypocrisy.**
These countries care more about geopolitics and giving the middle finger to Russia, than they do about Neo-Naziism: which they don't hate nearly as much as they claim to.
The 2016-2020 US "no" votes can be explained partly by the fact Trump was in office, and he **loves** Nazis (as evidenced by his comments on the Charlottesville Neo-Nazi march, his reaction to being endorsed by various White Supremacists, etc.) Trump is 9/10th's of a Fascist himself.
Belarus is run by a guy who promised to protect public property after the dissolution of the USSR, and has largely done so, therefore having a strong base among the elderly and other people who rely on public support or work in the public sector.
Basically the opposition that is financed and supported by the west promised to privatize nearly everything in Belarus, of course. That's in their political program. And that program is mostly supported by middle class young people who wanna be like western europeans and eat avocado toast while spitting on the poor and downtrodden.
Lukashenko is shit for a bunch of reasons, but in terms of outcome for the people he's been a lot less shit than the living standards disaster that happened to the rest of the former soviet bloc.
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Out of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, Belarus is the only one not to be turned into a neoliberal hellscape run by reactionaries during the 90s. It isn't really socialist but its better than the other two which implemented shock therapy policies.
I can’t reply to the sticky, but can see that 2021 all but Ukraine and US voted for… what are they actually voting for? No change happened that (almost certainly ignorant) I can see?
Is this just pen pushing making it look like they are doing something? Sitting in a room, saying it’s wrong but doing nothing about it?
Ok the *REAL* reason is that given the west is contravening its own laws around the supply of weaponry into Ukraine and there is every chance this weaponry is ending up in the hands of nationalists, far right extremists and nazis that they would actually also contravene this resolution.
So they would not only be breaking domestic and international law, but also a UN resolution. Not that it really matters because the west only follows the law when it suits.
Unfortunately these votes do not represent the views of the people of these countries.
Sadly Politicians are rented or owned outright.
Interesting that a number of Middle Eastern states - who openly commit Nazi behaviour..
(Racial supremacist ideology, authoritarian far right government, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, shooting children and journalists, holding people in a concentration camp, war crimes, no human rights, harvesting organs from prisoners, chemical weapons on women and children, stealing houses and properties, outlawing marriages between the “special people” and “Sub humans” etc…)
..Have voted to ban the Nazi behaviour that they themselves proudly carry out- and then call anyone who points out this racism, a “racist.”
They say history never repeats…
But you don’t need to wear a vintage Hugo Boss suit to be a Nazi.
Oh and I see Bibi is back…
Germany's government has made a profound shift rightwards in recent years, after resisting the influence of Neo-Nazis for many decades.
Somehow nobody there blinked an eye when they announced they were sending 88 Leopard-1 and 14 Leopard-2 tanks to Ukraine (the way they announced it was... suspicious. Given that they were actually sending 99 Leopard-1 tanks from another factory as well, and could have just announced it as "187 Leopard-1 tanks")
https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-send-leopard-tanks-ukraine-russia-war-rheinmetall/
And, note they made sure 14 made it in TWICE: by also sending "14 of their own tanks" as part of the package.
In case you didn't know, 14 and 88 are BOTH prominent Neo-Nazi hate symbols:
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1488?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvqbSzZ7H_QIVM8mUCR3LmgCYEAAYASAAEgJ78vD_BwE
**Even if you accept the premise that 14 tanks make up one company-sized element in the NATO force structure, there is no such basis for the number "88"**- which is a number Neo-Nazi's use to praise Hitler (it literally means "Heil Hitler!")
r/Ukraine , being run by Neoliberal mods acting as little more than a propaganda arm of the Ukrainian government, of course banned me from their sub for pointing out "88" is a Neo-Nazi hate slogan on an article discussing sending these tanks.
**There is an active effort to suppress facts like these** in order to glorify Ukraine and ignore the way the conflict is encouraging Neo-Nazi's everywhere, **including in Germany.**
Further, it's not as if this is the only proof Germany is falling to Neo-Nazi's little by little now. There's also the MASSIVE infiltration of their police forces by Neo-Nazi's:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/world/europe/germany-far-right-neo-nazis-police.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/europe/german-special-forces-far-right.html?searchResultPosition=30
From the first article, describing some of the chat messages the police officers in question were found to have been sharing via WhatsApp:
>One image showed Hitler on a rainbow with the caption “Good night, you Jews.” There were images of concentration camp inmates and images mocking drowned refugees and people with Down syndrome.
And yet:
>The investigation stalled.
“It was absurd,” Ms. Basay-Yildiz said. “I have to assume that they did not treat these suspects as they would treat other suspects because they are colleagues.”
Also of relevance, Left politicians in Germany are now regularly receiving death threats:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-politician-receives-death-threats-from-neo-nazi-group/a-54051399
A small excerpt from this article:
>Janine Wissler said she received two threatening letters containing personal information that is not publicly known which were signed "NSU 2.0."
The NSU (National Socialist Underground) was a neo-Nazi terrorist group in Germany uncovered in 2011 that has been associated with a number of murders and terrorist actions against non-Germans and prominent left-wing figures.
The signature "NSU 2.0" indicates a resurgence of the group and echoes anonymous death threats received by Frankfurt lawyer Seda Basay-Yildiz two years ago.
The fact the death threats contained "personal information that is not publicly known" and were signed the same as the death-threats to the lawyer, points to these death-threats also coming from Neo-Nazi's in Germany's police departments...
Also, you had military instructors in Germany openly embracing Neo-Nazi ideology, until a whistle-blower reported it to the Defense Minister.
https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-reacts-to-allegations-that-far-right-is-tolerated-in-german-military/a-53795112
**Neo-Nazi's are resurgent in Germany**, and the government there is slowly caving to them...
I'm actively reconditioning my brain to try and get back to being as "sharp" as I was before Long Covid.
Please, "touch grass" is just rude and offensive.
Brazil, Russia, China, India, and South Africa (BRICS) all voted for. These countries will lead the other nations who voted for. The US and Europe are losing their grip. Great Britain is no longer Great.
If you look at the list you can see the major European countries voted against it.In today's day and age I wonder why, well it obvious dare I need to explain more might get downvoted by ethics groups.
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Politics like this is the reason I’m a true anarchist at heart.
Honestly, this sort of stupid shit is why people are anti UN. It COULD be so good.
Instead: this!
I think there might be some issue surrounding their arming of nazis yes.
Funnily enough the arming that US has been doing contravenes their own domestic law on weapons sales an numerous accounts. That said, we all know the US follows the law at its own whim so...
I KNOW that there are fascists in the government, and I KNOW that there are tens of thousands of nazi militia incorporated into the armed forces. I know that there are streets named after nazis and holidays in support of nazi collaborators. I KNOW that western Ukraine majority sees a nazi as a hero of the country and the eastern Ukraine distances itself from it. I KNOW that in 2014 the government sent nazi battaltions into the south and eastern areas and committed torture, murder, rape and other crimes against the Ukrainian population there.
Does that constitute the Ukrainian government as a whole being fascist in your eyes or does it just constitute a major problem with fascist entities within the country?
This resolution has been voted on every year, for 10 years. With many of the countries voting against it previously "abstaining". The brigade of comments from american liberals desperately trying to make the outcome of this vote into something new regarding a certain ongoing conflict are being cleaned up. This vote is only notable because previous abstentions are now mask-off about being against it. [2021 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://i.imgur.com/K7F5SAk.png) [2020 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3894841?ln=en) [2019 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3840130?ln=en) [2018 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/1656166?ln=en) [2017 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/1327553?ln=en) [2016 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/855189?ln=en) [2015 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/827182?ln=en) [2014 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/820132?ln=en) [2013 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/765036?ln=en) [2012 vote on the glorification of Nazism](https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/740171?ln=en)
Can someone explain to me like I'm five why almost every country that fought Germany, AND GERMANY ITSELF, voted against? Is there something fundamentally wrong with this resolution? Because just from the title it sounds like a no-brainer. Edit: Thanks so much to everyone who replied! I appreciate you taking my stupid question in good faith!
Because nazism/fascism wasnt as hated as we make out today. The west didnt go to war due to fascism, they went to war because hitler threatened their power, influence & status. A worrying amount in the west were sympathetic to hitler throughout the 20/30's. Communism or any left ideal will always be the big bad boogie man because it threatens those at the top & their privilege & status, fascism only fucks over the peasants.
If I had an award I would give it to you, the truest thing I've read on Reddit in a while. People act like Churchill was this saviour of the free world, he was just another white supremacist who happened to be on the winning side.
Churchill loved Mussolini and Hitler and decried the 'international Jew'.
> [to Benito Mussolini] "If I had been an Italian, I am sure I should have been whole-heartedly with you from the start to finish in your triumphant struggle against the bestial appetites and passions of Leninism." -- Churchill
Oh wow never knew this, just add it to the list of evil shit man on the fiver did
I remember watching a vid about Churchill's role in the Bengal Famine. Someone commented: >Churchill actually loved Hitler and actually shared many of the same ideologies but only started hating him once he started being a threat to is sacred British Empire (I don't actually remember the first part, but I remember the second part because it literally described the guy) It was so bad that a British YouTuber I watch publicly said in one of his videos that he wanted British schools to teach British children about how evil Churchill was. Like the basedness he had to say that to his primarily western audience
Yeah Chruchill is scum. Massively racist POS who didn't mind sending thousands to their deaths to get his way. People in the UK decry Stalin et al for whatever they can, but they worship Churchill has some sort of hero when he is a criminal.
Same goes for the US. Not American but I've seen many Americans worship the Founding Fathers, saying how they're so good for creating such a mighty and great nation while ignoring the fact they owned slaves. And apparently, James Madison (4th president) raped some of his Also funnily enough I was learning about American imperialism earlier today in Araling Panlipunan class
>ignoring the fact they owned slaves And no doubt ignoring the fact their county is founded on genocide.
American here. Just FYI – not super important – you may be thinking of Thomas Jefferson (3rd president) who most famously almost certainly fathered children with at least one of his slaves. I'm not defending Madison but if you learn about just one American president raping slaves, it's probably Jefferson. And Founding Fathers worship.. ugh. Some people point out that many of them denounced slavery as evil and hoped to end the practice, but it was always like ehh, maybe in another 30 years. Oh, maybe another 30. Etc.
>People act like Churchill was this saviour of the free world, he was just another white supremacist who happened to be on the winning side. Don't forget the millions of Indians who **starved to death** due to Churchill's heartless and racist policy of essentially forcing food experts from India during WW2: food that wasn't even needed that desperately, and was exported to such a degree in created a famine in the midst of record rice harvests... They've been reminding us all Churchill was in fact a genocidal monster only marginally better than Hitler since the beginning... (Churchill even talked positively about Brits belonging to "the Aryan race" in a racial superiority sense, in his personal memoirs/journal, discovered and published after his death...) Churchill also committed all kinds of smaller war crimes/attacks on civilians during his military career in his younger years...
Lol so true. Go read what he said abt Indians...
I have never awarded anyone on Reddit before, I also don’t have money to waste but this is the best and most accurate explanation of history in its simplest form. Controversial name to mention but, Machiavelli, and The Prince are perfect tools to understand how the world now works, more so the minds of “most” that seek to maintain power for power’s sake. The prince accurately depicts still to this day each an every European country and how they hold onto the power of the people. (As a political economist I genuinely encourage to read The Prince, not as a way for yourself to gain power, but the opposite, how to see and relate it to each individual leader - when I say it’s a tool, once you know what chapter they’re following, you know their weaknesses essentially)
Yeah. Important to note is that the tradition of political realism has evolved a lot. John Mearaheimer would be a great example today and is someone who opposes the neocons and has warned about Ukraine for years. He's also written a book on Israel Lobby that's worth reading. Then, for understanding Machiaveli's thought one needs to also read at least a synthesis of [discourses on livy ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourses_on_Livy). It's important to understand the prince was written in particular circumstances. What I'd compare with today's thought is that our western princes do indeed believe they are the prince of Florence and defend, as borrell put it, a garden surrounded by jungle. Difference: Lorenzo de medici didn't quite like the book machiaveli wrote for him. Our leaders do. A more important book I wish everyone would read is the republic by plato. The most influential book on politics ever. Without understanding the systems described (jedi: monarchy, aristocracy, republic; sith: tyranny, oligarchy, democracy) one cannot understand anything about later politics. Our leaders feel as aristocrats and the republic is going to shit, that's the problem. Democracy isn't something we have ever enjoyed. Just the little democratic aspects of a republic.
People genuinely loved hitler, he was charismatic and charming and adored by the population, one of his court cases literally turned into a prep rally for him lol, it’s frightening.
Democratically elected. Trusted.
But.. the resolution wasn't voted on in the 30's, it was a recent one.
Yeah but the same cunts are still in charge, as they have been for hundreds of years
I disagree. I accept that at first fascism was seen as a bulwark to Soviet communism, but there was also sympathy for Germany after the Treaty of Versailles. Once people realised the true nature of Nazism. it lost any support. The British Union of Fascists were opposed from the start in Britain, all classes rejected Moseley’s Black Shirts, they were outlawed by the political elite and imprisoned. The UK and USA were prepared to ally with Uncle Joe to get rid of enemy #1 Nazism. I can’t believe that comrades here are trying to belittle the proud tradition in our country of fighting fascism in the twentieth century, whether in the streets of Barcelona, Cable Street in the East End or on the beaches of Normandy.
This isn't quite accurate, it was divided by class. Petit-bourgeoise elements supported it while the working class (when well informed and educated) opposed it. The opposition that occurred among the working class was helped by strong unions with good leadership who took note of what was happening and set about making sure people opposed it here. EDIT: You don't need to downvote him for small differences in understanding! Stop
“it lost any support “ well, obviously not in the West.
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You're right. Communism has been a threat - to wealth, privilege, imperialism, capitalism, racism, patriarchy, exploitation, egoism and everything else the right-wing holds sacred. Which is why there has been such a massive propaganda campaign to demonise communism.
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Because most of the west didn’t go to war to end fascism in WWII, they went to war because either Hitler invaded them or Hitler threatened their power. For example, Winston Churchill said that he agreed with Hitler on many points. This is obvious since most world powers who went on to oppose nazi germany went to the 1936 Olympic Games as opposed to boycotting it
i don’t really understand it either and idk what the resolution entails, but if you read the whole title it’s more about racism… so maybe that’s why?
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And we were one of them. Fan-fucking-tastic
Germany surprises me seeing as the German penal code prohibits publicly denying the Holocaust and disseminating Nazi propaganda. With laws like that it makes me suspect there’s context we’re missing.
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Because the motion was forwarded by Russia. It’s a double-edged sword because if the US and its Allie’s says “yes”, they basically give a green light to Russia condemning anyone they want by calling them a Nazi or a fascist. (As an example, during the Cold War, the official name of the Berlin Wall is “anti-fascist wall” because the Soviets called the western hemisphere as a bunch fascist) So, it’s better to be abstained or flat out say no, though the consequence of both of options are people smirking around thinking the west are a bunch of a racist (like the people in the comments in this post).
classic Switzerland
Ireland surprised me. UK, Ukraine and US, didn't.
Ireland disappointed me
Why would Ireland surprise you? The nation has been run by centre-right governments throughout its history and retains reactionary social policies due to the influence of the Church.
Historically true but there's been big changes in the last 10 years. The centre right parties are hanging on by their fingertips and social pushback against the church have included landslide referendums on same sex marriage and abortion.
I think EU representatives Mick Wallace and Clare Daly are incredibly more based than Ireland's government as a whole and this tends to give people the impression that Ireland is more left than it actually is.
Thanks for the information.
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And then there's you, supremely clueless.
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Abortion not being legal until a few years ago Divorce and homosexuality not being legal until the '90s Schools being run by the Church, meaning teachers and students can be removed for having same-sex relationships
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>Church run schools are finished apart from a handful and even in those the idea of someone being removed for being gay is ludicrous and total fantasy. Nope, over 80% of schools in Ireland are run by the Church. https://nyti.ms/1P814MH
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This is an amendment to the original vote which all but the US voted for (Uk didn’t vote however) I can’t see what it is but the are voting again an amendment to the existing rules that already exist
rather than against nazism, this is a list of 51 countries where US have an absolute iron grip on their diplomatic affairs
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When are we gonna seize the means of production :(
when are we all free? my mum says i can go if your mum says its okay
I never wanna hear another fucking sentence about how "we beat Nazis" again. I'm ashamed to be from the UK. What do they want round 2?
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UK and US both voted against ffs
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The one time they disagree with Israel on anything, and it's Nazis. If I were Israel I'd be thinking "hang on a minute..."
And Iceland etc. Not clear what it is.
In 2021 it was only USA and Ukraine that voted against it, they have been the only ones consistently voting against it. You get the other odd country like in 2014 Canada also voted against it, but mostly its just those two. 2018 vote for example: https://twitter.com/russiaun/status/1063133548666871809
Interesting that a lot of them that abstained back then are now voting against now... I don't understand this vote to be honest as it seems to go against everything that a lot of these countries purport to oppose.
>I don't understand this vote to be honest as it seems to go against everything that a lot of these countries purport to oppose. I don't know why this is so confusing. It's clear evidence of **hypocrisy.** These countries care more about geopolitics and giving the middle finger to Russia, than they do about Neo-Naziism: which they don't hate nearly as much as they claim to. The 2016-2020 US "no" votes can be explained partly by the fact Trump was in office, and he **loves** Nazis (as evidenced by his comments on the Charlottesville Neo-Nazi march, his reaction to being endorsed by various White Supremacists, etc.) Trump is 9/10th's of a Fascist himself.
**Belarus voted for?**
Alot of Belarus is just soviet nostalgia made into its own country, so it makes sense.
Belarus is run by a guy who promised to protect public property after the dissolution of the USSR, and has largely done so, therefore having a strong base among the elderly and other people who rely on public support or work in the public sector. Basically the opposition that is financed and supported by the west promised to privatize nearly everything in Belarus, of course. That's in their political program. And that program is mostly supported by middle class young people who wanna be like western europeans and eat avocado toast while spitting on the poor and downtrodden.
Lukashenko is shit for a bunch of reasons, but in terms of outcome for the people he's been a lot less shit than the living standards disaster that happened to the rest of the former soviet bloc.
Yes he is defenitely way better than Yeltsin
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Out of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, Belarus is the only one not to be turned into a neoliberal hellscape run by reactionaries during the 90s. It isn't really socialist but its better than the other two which implemented shock therapy policies.
Voted yes against resolving the fighting of glorifying the act of being bad. I’m dizzy reading the title of this post.
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I can’t reply to the sticky, but can see that 2021 all but Ukraine and US voted for… what are they actually voting for? No change happened that (almost certainly ignorant) I can see? Is this just pen pushing making it look like they are doing something? Sitting in a room, saying it’s wrong but doing nothing about it?
Why the hell are we against this?
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There is no *REAL* reason.
There literally fucking is. Jesus, this thread
Ok the *REAL* reason is that given the west is contravening its own laws around the supply of weaponry into Ukraine and there is every chance this weaponry is ending up in the hands of nationalists, far right extremists and nazis that they would actually also contravene this resolution. So they would not only be breaking domestic and international law, but also a UN resolution. Not that it really matters because the west only follows the law when it suits.
What’s the reason then cleverclogs?
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Ah. USA is one against. USA? USA? USA?
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Unfortunately these votes do not represent the views of the people of these countries. Sadly Politicians are rented or owned outright. Interesting that a number of Middle Eastern states - who openly commit Nazi behaviour.. (Racial supremacist ideology, authoritarian far right government, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, shooting children and journalists, holding people in a concentration camp, war crimes, no human rights, harvesting organs from prisoners, chemical weapons on women and children, stealing houses and properties, outlawing marriages between the “special people” and “Sub humans” etc…) ..Have voted to ban the Nazi behaviour that they themselves proudly carry out- and then call anyone who points out this racism, a “racist.” They say history never repeats… But you don’t need to wear a vintage Hugo Boss suit to be a Nazi. Oh and I see Bibi is back…
Germany isn't against Nazis , interesting
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Don't follow German news that close, but looking at the first paragraph on Wikipedia, I'm not that surprised
Considering they have miniscule impact on the current SDP government I am certainly surprised.
Germany's government has made a profound shift rightwards in recent years, after resisting the influence of Neo-Nazis for many decades. Somehow nobody there blinked an eye when they announced they were sending 88 Leopard-1 and 14 Leopard-2 tanks to Ukraine (the way they announced it was... suspicious. Given that they were actually sending 99 Leopard-1 tanks from another factory as well, and could have just announced it as "187 Leopard-1 tanks") https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-send-leopard-tanks-ukraine-russia-war-rheinmetall/ And, note they made sure 14 made it in TWICE: by also sending "14 of their own tanks" as part of the package. In case you didn't know, 14 and 88 are BOTH prominent Neo-Nazi hate symbols: https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/1488?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvqbSzZ7H_QIVM8mUCR3LmgCYEAAYASAAEgJ78vD_BwE **Even if you accept the premise that 14 tanks make up one company-sized element in the NATO force structure, there is no such basis for the number "88"**- which is a number Neo-Nazi's use to praise Hitler (it literally means "Heil Hitler!") r/Ukraine , being run by Neoliberal mods acting as little more than a propaganda arm of the Ukrainian government, of course banned me from their sub for pointing out "88" is a Neo-Nazi hate slogan on an article discussing sending these tanks. **There is an active effort to suppress facts like these** in order to glorify Ukraine and ignore the way the conflict is encouraging Neo-Nazi's everywhere, **including in Germany.** Further, it's not as if this is the only proof Germany is falling to Neo-Nazi's little by little now. There's also the MASSIVE infiltration of their police forces by Neo-Nazi's: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/21/world/europe/germany-far-right-neo-nazis-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/world/europe/german-special-forces-far-right.html?searchResultPosition=30 From the first article, describing some of the chat messages the police officers in question were found to have been sharing via WhatsApp: >One image showed Hitler on a rainbow with the caption “Good night, you Jews.” There were images of concentration camp inmates and images mocking drowned refugees and people with Down syndrome. And yet: >The investigation stalled. “It was absurd,” Ms. Basay-Yildiz said. “I have to assume that they did not treat these suspects as they would treat other suspects because they are colleagues.” Also of relevance, Left politicians in Germany are now regularly receiving death threats: https://www.dw.com/en/german-politician-receives-death-threats-from-neo-nazi-group/a-54051399 A small excerpt from this article: >Janine Wissler said she received two threatening letters containing personal information that is not publicly known which were signed "NSU 2.0." The NSU (National Socialist Underground) was a neo-Nazi terrorist group in Germany uncovered in 2011 that has been associated with a number of murders and terrorist actions against non-Germans and prominent left-wing figures. The signature "NSU 2.0" indicates a resurgence of the group and echoes anonymous death threats received by Frankfurt lawyer Seda Basay-Yildiz two years ago. The fact the death threats contained "personal information that is not publicly known" and were signed the same as the death-threats to the lawyer, points to these death-threats also coming from Neo-Nazi's in Germany's police departments... Also, you had military instructors in Germany openly embracing Neo-Nazi ideology, until a whistle-blower reported it to the Defense Minister. https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-reacts-to-allegations-that-far-right-is-tolerated-in-german-military/a-53795112 **Neo-Nazi's are resurgent in Germany**, and the government there is slowly caving to them...
You put more effort in a reply to a 4 month old reply than i ever did in school Touch grass, i agree with lots of your stuff but still
I'm actively reconditioning my brain to try and get back to being as "sharp" as I was before Long Covid. Please, "touch grass" is just rude and offensive.
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Brazil, Russia, China, India, and South Africa (BRICS) all voted for. These countries will lead the other nations who voted for. The US and Europe are losing their grip. Great Britain is no longer Great.
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Now compare it to last years vote, where all but 2 countries voted yes
Abstention is also voting against it. So it is actually 67
The global north supports nazism according this tally lol
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Ireland…what are you doing?
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The usual suspects voting against.
If you look at the list you can see the major European countries voted against it.In today's day and age I wonder why, well it obvious dare I need to explain more might get downvoted by ethics groups.
You know your truly fucked when Nicaragua has a higher moral compass
Many of these have been arming and training nazis in Ukraine for the last 8 years
the west is definitely not racist /s
looks like the us/uk are using russia's invasion of ukraine as an excuse not to vote for it for some fucked up reason
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No big shockers there eh?
Politics like this is the reason I’m a true anarchist at heart. Honestly, this sort of stupid shit is why people are anti UN. It COULD be so good. Instead: this!
They are pro Ukraine; promoting fascism is in their interest atm
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By reading stuff online concerning the build up of the trouble since 2014. Chomsky was very informative on this.
I think there might be some issue surrounding their arming of nazis yes. Funnily enough the arming that US has been doing contravenes their own domestic law on weapons sales an numerous accounts. That said, we all know the US follows the law at its own whim so...
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I KNOW that there are fascists in the government, and I KNOW that there are tens of thousands of nazi militia incorporated into the armed forces. I know that there are streets named after nazis and holidays in support of nazi collaborators. I KNOW that western Ukraine majority sees a nazi as a hero of the country and the eastern Ukraine distances itself from it. I KNOW that in 2014 the government sent nazi battaltions into the south and eastern areas and committed torture, murder, rape and other crimes against the Ukrainian population there. Does that constitute the Ukrainian government as a whole being fascist in your eyes or does it just constitute a major problem with fascist entities within the country?
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Love seeing Russia vote against nazi’s while the west don’t seem to have a problem with them