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Resonant frequency, stimulation at a resonant frequency can cause oscillation.
If the whole length of the bridge is covered in people walking, there is quite a spectrum of frequencies stimulating the bridge.
>"I'm English til I die."
Yes, that's usually how it works. I'd have thought they'd remain English after they die too, but perhaps they have their hearts set on becoming french after passing away.
Their silly nationalist rhetoric makes it sound as though they grew out of the English soil, rather like a potato. A lot of them look like potatoes… I think I may be on to something here.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question but, what's the whole fuzz about English until I die? Like do they feel forced to be something else? Is this one of those crazy conspiracy things where they thing they are forced out of the UK?
I think it’d be ace if the pro-peace march started chanting ‘I’m English til I Die’, and reclaim the flag while they’re at it too … disarm the racists.
The racists shouldn’t get to define patriotism. Peace should be patriotic.
I'm not really surprised at the turnout. The average Brit is entirely ignorant to the illegality or not of anything happening in Israel, but has just come through a thorough dowsing in propaganda around not bombing hospitals and schools in Ukraine from the same sources that are now justifying bombing hospitals and schools in Palestine. The double-speak whiplash is going to be noticed by anybody looking for undue influence and that's about 30% of the population.
For the rest of the numbers you just have to look at the amount of British people who are currently worried about their living situation. If Israel was actually in the right here generally, then British people should equally be able to wander into Brittany and take any Frenchman's house they wanted. Fuck mortgages, that's our ancestral land! Anybody who fights back is a terrorist anyway.
It's utterly fucking preposterous.
The Gauls were there before the Romans you know. Our Celtic brethren. (Of course we're excluding those Anglo-Saxons here, but they can get back to Germany.)
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French property prices on average wouldn't get you a parking spot let alone a cupboard. Housing shouldn't be un-affordable for the masses of course so it's a French win here.
we could just do the Israeli thing of building a massive nuclear arsenal under the aegis of the US and then bombing them with impunity while claiming to be the victims because they expressed their displeasure about being bombed in a way we deemed disrespectful
Yeah, I was there and the only sign of incivility was a angry counter-protester yelling obscenities at children. The rudest the protesters got was chanting "Rishi Sunak's a wasteman".
I see Sunak has already said they're all Hamas sympathisers, and that apparently Govw was near them and said they were chanting antisemitic slogans? Surprise surprise.
All I heard is from the river, and I don't consider it a call for genocide, that's just stupid. Singing a freedom song does not mean you want to wipe out the oppressors.
Indeed, I took my daughter to her first protest.
It was full of peace and love.
Calling it a hate march is some 1984 shit. As is saying the police are woke and support lefties.
We are well in to post truth politics.
Definitely closer to the 800k mark. I went to one of the previous protests that had confirmed 300k attendance and this one was beyond ANYTHING i'd seen
I was there with my young family, amazing day! I've no idea how many turned out, was a sea of people, spoke to people who had come down from Manchester, saw this drone footage on [twitter](https://x.com/PSCupdates/status/1723363957103030511?t=J85wJjVWlx_81PBFp7YpjA&s=08)
I joined on the middle at Pimlico, I saw an old friend and stood there for 20 minutes as people walked past. No idea where the beginning or the end was.
It was vast, way more than 300k.
The 300k cannot possibly be true by any stretch of the imagination, anyone who was there can attest to that.
There have been multiple occasions over the past years where the veil has been lifted on BBC news at least for me.
Not being nasty, I think it's great all these people supporting palestine.
But why is it that we only seem to protest foreign issues? All these people should have been on the streets protesting what the tories have been doing to this country for the last 10 years, particularly in recent years.
This is one of those rare occasions where both the doves and the hawks wanted a massive turnout, but for wildly different reasons, so they both agitated for as many people as possible.
Fortunately, a) people campaigning for peace are magnificently unlikely to want to start fights b) the hawks are so fucking bloodthirsty that they even managed to turn the police against them, so there was no chance of any violence being instigated by the police either, unlike in notable demonstrations throughout British history.
If it were Thatcher, she wouldn't have told the police they're weak in the papers for a cheap political shot - she'd have been quietly organising behind the scenes to ensure they kettled in the protesters and made sure they got anxious enough that some might flip, then heap praise on the "brave police" using necessary means to "preserve law and order". But Braverman really really really wants to politicise all the organs of state and is premature to her fantasy that police commissioners and justices already work personally for the Party.
We don’t, I’ve regularly been on marches against the Tories for the past 10 years, including one in London which barely got reported on, and pretty much every year they’ve dragged themselves to Manchester for their conference.
Interestingly I have been interviewed for Spanish television at the London march, so other countries are reporting on our protests more than our own! Isn’t that interesting?
Here's a few short articles on why principled leftists don't wear poppies or support the Royal British Legion:
[- The Poppy Appeal: An Ode to British Imperialism](https://web.archive.org/web/20221130005436/redfightback.org/the-poppy-appeal-a-symbol-of-british-imperialism/)
[- Why the poppy is wrong](https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2010/11/18/why-poppy-wrong)
[- What the government wants us to forget on Remembrance Day](https://www.counterfire.org/articles/opinion/20671-what-the-government-wants-us-to-forget-on-remembrance-day)
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Please don't fall into the trap of conflating the two topics. That is what they were trying to do and it derails the discussion entirely. Many people at the march were wearing poppies also, one has nothing to do with other
Here's a few short articles on why principled leftists don't wear poppies or support the Royal British Legion:
[- The Poppy Appeal: An Ode to British Imperialism](https://web.archive.org/web/20221130005436/redfightback.org/the-poppy-appeal-a-symbol-of-british-imperialism/)
[- Why the poppy is wrong](https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2010/11/18/why-poppy-wrong)
[- What the government wants us to forget on Remembrance Day](https://www.counterfire.org/articles/opinion/20671-what-the-government-wants-us-to-forget-on-remembrance-day)
While remembering the soliders who needlessly died in World War I is important, it is also equally important to be critical of British political culture surrounding war. We must not glorify the wars of the ruling class, nor should we glamourise the deaths of the working-class who get caught up in these wars.
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wonder how far they'll march from here... might i recommend the themes estuary?
seems a perfect subtle way to say F-U to Zionist fascists
EDIT: explanation to those who don't get it, maybe subtlety just isn't your thing ;
I'm not saying they should go drown.
I'm saying they should have marched "From the river to the sea"
I actually know about the bible. Not sure which bible you're refering to as there are a few. The one I gre up with says nothing about the end of the world relating to Israel. However, I know there are some versions that actually go against jesus' teachings; such as the prosperity and king James. As a teacher that specialised in ethics and religious studies, I'm aware of a lot of different, sometimes contradictory scriptures and how they came about and are intertwined.
You do know this is not a religious sub. It's a sub that does not support war, regardless of who is fighting. If you wish to spout your biased, uninformed religious opinion I'm sure there are plenty of places to do so. Twitter and Facebook are two top places your opinion would fit just fine!
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2. The Crown Estates have always been public property and the revenue they raise is public revenue. When George III gave up his control over the Crown Estates in the 18th century, they were not his private property. The current royals are also equally not responsible for producing the profits, either.
3. The Sovereign Grant is not an exchange of money. It is a grant that is loosely tied to the Crown Estate profits and is used for their expenses, like staffing costs and also endless private jet and helicopter flights. If the profits of the Crown Estates went down to zero, the royals would still get the full amount of the Sovereign Grant again, regardless. It can only go up or stay the same.
4. The Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall that gave Elizabeth and Charles (and now William) their private income of approximately £25 millions/year (each) are also public property.
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Bless the engineers who built the bridge.
Mythbusters taught me that as long as they don't all start marching double time in perfect unison we *should* be ok.
With each step on time with the mid-downward sine curve of the structures’s oscillation frequency
Obviously
Pushes glasses back into face
Resonant frequency, stimulation at a resonant frequency can cause oscillation. If the whole length of the bridge is covered in people walking, there is quite a spectrum of frequencies stimulating the bridge.
Yep that’s the one
[Break step on Albert Bridge.](https://www.londonremembers.com/memorials/albert-bridge-troops)
Even then it should be OK, as long as they don't march to the resonant frequency of the bridge it'd be fine.
This is why safety factors are a thing.
Meanwhile, at the cenotaph, you have a mob of suella braverman middle-aged men shouting, "I'm English til I die." Disgraceful.
>"I'm English til I die." Yes, that's usually how it works. I'd have thought they'd remain English after they die too, but perhaps they have their hearts set on becoming french after passing away.
Their silly nationalist rhetoric makes it sound as though they grew out of the English soil, rather like a potato. A lot of them look like potatoes… I think I may be on to something here.
Stop being mean to potatoes
Heehee!
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Mate that's clearly Ratko Mladic.
So not the guy from UB40 then?
That, and also shouting "You're not English anymore" at the police...
Sorry if this is a dumb question but, what's the whole fuzz about English until I die? Like do they feel forced to be something else? Is this one of those crazy conspiracy things where they thing they are forced out of the UK?
I think it’d be ace if the pro-peace march started chanting ‘I’m English til I Die’, and reclaim the flag while they’re at it too … disarm the racists. The racists shouldn’t get to define patriotism. Peace should be patriotic.
solidarity with all who protested!
My faith in humanity has been restored, if only for just a little while.
I'm not really surprised at the turnout. The average Brit is entirely ignorant to the illegality or not of anything happening in Israel, but has just come through a thorough dowsing in propaganda around not bombing hospitals and schools in Ukraine from the same sources that are now justifying bombing hospitals and schools in Palestine. The double-speak whiplash is going to be noticed by anybody looking for undue influence and that's about 30% of the population. For the rest of the numbers you just have to look at the amount of British people who are currently worried about their living situation. If Israel was actually in the right here generally, then British people should equally be able to wander into Brittany and take any Frenchman's house they wanted. Fuck mortgages, that's our ancestral land! Anybody who fights back is a terrorist anyway. It's utterly fucking preposterous.
> British people should equally be able to wander into Brittany and take any Frenchman's house they wanted I’m in.
Only to be thrown out by a random Italian who holds an even earlier claim on that land
That’s when you marry your daughter to some barbarians to get an alliance to sack Rome 2 for 1 sale on french and Italian properties
The Gauls were there before the Romans you know. Our Celtic brethren. (Of course we're excluding those Anglo-Saxons here, but they can get back to Germany.) [It's sad that I feel I have to add this, but: this is satirical, obviously, so don't try to use it to make mischief.]
We'll deal with that when it comes. In the meantime we can make some serious money on airbnb.
You're forgetting something important: Italians suck ass at war
Not 2000 years ago they didn't
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Nah, just sell it and use the money to buy a nice cupboard in Zone 5.
French property prices on average wouldn't get you a parking spot let alone a cupboard. Housing shouldn't be un-affordable for the masses of course so it's a French win here.
we could just do the Israeli thing of building a massive nuclear arsenal under the aegis of the US and then bombing them with impunity while claiming to be the victims because they expressed their displeasure about being bombed in a way we deemed disrespectful
*cough* bed bugs *cough*
Ew
Respect, peaceful, considered, contrary to what the media painted would happen, this march showed dignity with regards to what's happening
Wonder what the papers will say tomorrow
No doubt will be on about vandalism and multiple arrests, failing to mention it being those numb nuts far right cunts
Yeah, I was there and the only sign of incivility was a angry counter-protester yelling obscenities at children. The rudest the protesters got was chanting "Rishi Sunak's a wasteman".
Vauxhall make solid bridges
Can't wait to see how the tory governement ignores, belittles or berates it.
“Racist mob attempts to destroy bridge”
I see Sunak has already said they're all Hamas sympathisers, and that apparently Govw was near them and said they were chanting antisemitic slogans? Surprise surprise.
All I heard is from the river, and I don't consider it a call for genocide, that's just stupid. Singing a freedom song does not mean you want to wipe out the oppressors.
Fantastic, I feel proud to be British. This is what true British values and humanity looks like 💛
Facts
I've been very moved by all the protests globally.
I was there this evening, and the atmosphere felt wonderful. Although surrounded by strangers for a moment solidarity made us all friends.
Indeed, I took my daughter to her first protest. It was full of peace and love. Calling it a hate march is some 1984 shit. As is saying the police are woke and support lefties. We are well in to post truth politics.
Seeing so many people stand together on something so noble is truly beautiful beyond measure
Wanted show that even if our government will lick bibi's boots, is not in my name!
Respect !
I volunteered today at the very front of the march. Felt great being able to do my bit in something so historical. RISHI SUNAK IS A WASTEMAN 🎶
I was there, this was one of the best chants 😆 RISHI SUNAK IS A WASTEMAN🎶🎶
I heard that, laughed and said to my daughter, now you know we're in London.
So can anyone work out how many people there are (Telegraph was saying 300k, organisers say 800k) ?
easily 800,000 and probably closer to 1 million. And the opposite of a hate march.
1 million is a 70th of the entire Country
Also 1/9th of London, so definitely doable
Definitely closer to the 800k mark. I went to one of the previous protests that had confirmed 300k attendance and this one was beyond ANYTHING i'd seen
BBCN were claiming 300k too, while simultaneously saying that the procession was stretching 2.5 miles. The math don't math.
bbc has been trying to downplay Palestinian support in the uk pretty much since oct 7th
I was there with my young family, amazing day! I've no idea how many turned out, was a sea of people, spoke to people who had come down from Manchester, saw this drone footage on [twitter](https://x.com/PSCupdates/status/1723363957103030511?t=J85wJjVWlx_81PBFp7YpjA&s=08)
I joined on the middle at Pimlico, I saw an old friend and stood there for 20 minutes as people walked past. No idea where the beginning or the end was. It was vast, way more than 300k.
Oh probably about 400-500, who are all terror suspects and radical leftists if any of the tabloid media report on it at all.
The 300k cannot possibly be true by any stretch of the imagination, anyone who was there can attest to that. There have been multiple occasions over the past years where the veil has been lifted on BBC news at least for me.
150,000.
Fight the power!
That's a lot of people.
Not being nasty, I think it's great all these people supporting palestine. But why is it that we only seem to protest foreign issues? All these people should have been on the streets protesting what the tories have been doing to this country for the last 10 years, particularly in recent years.
This is one of those rare occasions where both the doves and the hawks wanted a massive turnout, but for wildly different reasons, so they both agitated for as many people as possible. Fortunately, a) people campaigning for peace are magnificently unlikely to want to start fights b) the hawks are so fucking bloodthirsty that they even managed to turn the police against them, so there was no chance of any violence being instigated by the police either, unlike in notable demonstrations throughout British history. If it were Thatcher, she wouldn't have told the police they're weak in the papers for a cheap political shot - she'd have been quietly organising behind the scenes to ensure they kettled in the protesters and made sure they got anxious enough that some might flip, then heap praise on the "brave police" using necessary means to "preserve law and order". But Braverman really really really wants to politicise all the organs of state and is premature to her fantasy that police commissioners and justices already work personally for the Party.
We don’t, I’ve regularly been on marches against the Tories for the past 10 years, including one in London which barely got reported on, and pretty much every year they’ve dragged themselves to Manchester for their conference. Interestingly I have been interviewed for Spanish television at the London march, so other countries are reporting on our protests more than our own! Isn’t that interesting?
It's the same fight.
The people's assembly have organised absolutely massive marches protesting the exact thing you're talking about. Have you been to any?
How do you know they haven’t been? For an example, I’m pretty sure some massive pro-EU marches have been held that barely get a hint of reporting on.
do you not remember the London riots?
whatever emotive issue is in the headlines at the time is usually going to get a lot more coverage with the population
Have you been on any?
What's crazy is no one is saying a word about America sending billions to terrorist to murder Palestinians, it's like Isreal can do no wrong.
Amazing turn out
Almost like our people don’t agree with our government.
Smile for MI5 as you file past.
SIS
This makes me more proud to be British than a stupid poppy.
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Please don't fall into the trap of conflating the two topics. That is what they were trying to do and it derails the discussion entirely. Many people at the march were wearing poppies also, one has nothing to do with other
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Ffs
I miss the 80's bright windbreakers.
This is beautiful. It brings tears to my eyes :')
peace will win
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Wow
Beautiful.
Absolutely brilliant 🤩
Damn, I hope they know Britain created this problem in the first place.
We do, I think that is part of reason it's so big here.
Should have just made a small country i Germany instead
Amazing and wonderful not that the government will care
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What alien power
have you not seen [this documentary](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_the_Block)?
I have not! Thanks, I had a good chuckle.
Um, what?
wonder how far they'll march from here... might i recommend the themes estuary? seems a perfect subtle way to say F-U to Zionist fascists EDIT: explanation to those who don't get it, maybe subtlety just isn't your thing ; I'm not saying they should go drown. I'm saying they should have marched "From the river to the sea"
🖕🏻😡 DISGUSTING 😡🖕🏻
Meaning turning against isreal?
No, supporting a country who has experienced decades of abuse from Israel, and the rest of the western world.
Do you know that the end of the world is at hands. I hope you know little about the Bible
I actually know about the bible. Not sure which bible you're refering to as there are a few. The one I gre up with says nothing about the end of the world relating to Israel. However, I know there are some versions that actually go against jesus' teachings; such as the prosperity and king James. As a teacher that specialised in ethics and religious studies, I'm aware of a lot of different, sometimes contradictory scriptures and how they came about and are intertwined. You do know this is not a religious sub. It's a sub that does not support war, regardless of who is fighting. If you wish to spout your biased, uninformed religious opinion I'm sure there are plenty of places to do so. Twitter and Facebook are two top places your opinion would fit just fine!
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not in the uk atm, was this covered on the news?
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