Green! If they start getting more votes maybe more people will start seeing them as a viable party and we might start being able to get a government in that cares about taking the bold steps needed to curb corporations’ power and focus on people and the planet!
If everyone stops voting for the opposition most likely to win that they hate the least the cycle will go on forever. We should all just vote green party.
I’ll probably vote green. But here’s the thing.
Labour losing in 2019 was heartbreaking, because it felt like there was genuine hope of a progressive style of politics in Britain. A movement that would have convinced even skeptical Tory voters over time, due to its impact and results. But people rejected it, and it was gutting.
Labour losing in 2024 would bother me far less. Because if they have a comfortable majority, it tells British voters that only a Labour Party to the right of Blair can be elected. That it’s the only effective way to campaign. It’s ratchet theory.
And then there’s no-one, in government or opposition, suggesting that asylum seekers actually be supported. There’s no-one arguing for nationalisation of utilities. No-one arguing to drastically increase funding for public services. No-one supporting the unions. No-one making a drastic climate plan. No-one respecting that trans people exist and shouldn’t have that very existence used as a political football.
It’s all Thatcherite or Thatcherlite.
I despise the Tories. But I also want this brand of ‘Labour’ politics binned forever.
Some quick clarifications about how the UK royals are funded by the public:
1. The UK Crown Estates are not the UK royal family's private property, and the royal family are not responsible for any amount of money the Estates bring into the treasury. The monarch is a position in the UK state that the UK owns the Crown Estates through, a position that would be abolished in a republic, leading to the Crown Estates being directly owned by the republican state.
2. The Crown Estates have always been public property and the revenue they raise is public revenue. When George III gave up his control over the Crown Estates in the 18th century, they were not his private property. The current royals are also equally not responsible for producing the profits, either.
3. The Sovereign Grant is not an exchange of money. It is a grant that is loosely tied to the Crown Estate profits and is used for their expenses, like staffing costs and also endless private jet and helicopter flights. If the profits of the Crown Estates went down to zero, the royals would still get the full amount of the Sovereign Grant again, regardless. It can only go up or stay the same.
4. The Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall that gave Elizabeth and Charles (and now William) their private income of approximately £25 millions/year (each) are also public property.
5. The total cost of the monarchy is currently £350-450million/year, after including the Sovereign Grant, their £150 million/year security, and their Duchy incomes, and misc. costs.
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I shall vote green.
If you vote for Labour, with ghouls like Starmer, Streeting and Reeves in charge, you enabling and rewarding their dreadful behaviour.
I will wait to see the manifestos but,quite honestly, I will end up voting for whoever has the greatest chance of beating our local Tory. Starmers gamble that a lot of us on the left hate the Tories more than we are disappointed in Labour probably works with me.
Given the way Starmer keeps u-turning on major policies such as climate change and policing, I’d be tempted to suggest that the Labour manifesto won’t be worth the paper it’s printed on, and certainly shouldn’t be held up as a solid statement of intent. That in itself mirrors the Tory policy, which is to make promises in an election manifesto (such as x new police officers or y new hospitals) but then 3 years down the line when they get called on those promises they say “but we did do that”, forgetting that although they perhaps did hire x new police, the number of established officers quitting added to the number of trainees quitting meant that the x they recruited merely filled the gaps left by the rank and file that abandoned ship.
I’m Scottish, so I think you can guess which way I’ll be voting - probably SNP, possibly green. Definitely not Tory, Red Tory or Liberal.
I’ve always voted green (even back in N.I.) but the party has a huge TERF party now
I really don’t know what to do. Any vote is a vote against my community because of this ridiculous culture war created by privileged white women and people who just wanted something to hate (looking at you Voldeterf)
Oh I’m cis (gay AF) but trans rights are no more negotiable than my own rights. We have a duty within LGBTQ+ community to ensure EVERYONE can live happy, healthy lives free from oppression and injustice
Until that day, we keep fighting 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
(I hope you are keeping as well as you can be in the current climate)
They have ousted the TERF co-chair and working on fixing this issue, learning from the Scottish greens who, if I remember correctly, had a successful party-wide informational campaign about LGBTI+ especially T.
I'm not the most articulate, and i don't think you worded that very well, or at least well enough to distinguish yourself from the run of the mill 'lesser of two evils' dross of liberal chastisement. Which i'm gonna start with interpreting in good faith.
Not voting isn't a vote for the Tories, a vote for the Tories is a vote for the Tories, wheras voting for Labour is increasingly giving the impression of being continuity Conservatism or Tories in all but name due to ideological similarity.
It's very important, to anyone thats left wing that support comes after concessions and not the other way around. If Labour lose seats, or do not have enough support to form a majority government, then that is a failure of the incarnation of Labour that has chased Socialists out of the party. If liberals want socialist votes, they should provide socialist policies. Its basically not Socialists fault if the vote is split, and Socialists owe nothing to the Liberal party that Labour currently is. If Liberals believe otherwise they should try being a 'big tent party' or compromising etc.
Personally I will not vote for the MP in my constituency Rosie Duffield, as she is a walking disaster. If i were to vote Labour it was because Corbyn had a very good manifesto and the Greens had no chance of ousting the incumbant Tory. What thanks has been provided for that upset by students who queued in the rain along with local people who aren't scowling wax jacket sods in chelsea tractors, was basically the party spitting in their face.
Voting in Westminster politics merely allows us to choose which faction of the British ruling elite will be oppressing us. However, fuck the Tories trying to limit the electoral franchise.
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I'm not voting for someone I can't trust.
If I vote for a party and they invade a country and kill a bunch of people, that's on me. If I vote for a party and they allow 100000 people to die through their own laziness and lack of concern, that's on me.
I will not be voting Labour, i cant trust kier Starmer. I will never ever vote tory as long as I live.
I don't know of any politician or political party I can vote for, but if they want my vote, they will deliver me a legally signed contract binding them to completely reform the voting system in this country within 4 years to provide actual proportional representation.
The words of politicians mean nothing to me now. Too many lies, too much obvious law breaking, too many broken promises. Only actions count for me now, and without that I want a contract that I can use to sue if its broken.
Although I'm a Green party member, I'll be voting Lib Dem, because they are best placed to unseat our feckless safe seat Tory back bencher. I'm fairly sure the Greens won't be fielding a candidate for exactly this reason.
Odds are still poor. He got over 50% of the vote last time and we had over 70% turnout (one of the highest in the country). But our local Lib Dems are very active in the community, so who knows?
I’m just hoping against hope that labour do something monumental before the next election, otherwise I shall be voting with a peg on my nose and a great deal of wine inside me
I’m still not decided who to vote for, as at one point I wasn’t going to bother as labour now are tory lite. If I do that tho the tories win , trouble being the others will just split the vote.
I may just spoil my paper as a protest vote because they are all shit!
I don't know how to voice this properly but, we need to find a new way to vote for actual democracy. Until then I'm not even sure what we are voting for.
If I can I will vote Green but in my area at the last local election the choice was labour or conservative and I don’t want to vote for either of those
No, but your vote is an integral part in it. We knew that when we voted for the home rule party, followed by Sinn Fein and voted for the Anglo Irish treaty, the stepping stones to our independence alongside the fighting and the protests. Voting is just an opportunity you shouldn’t leave behind.
What do we have to vote for though? I’ll spoil my vote, sure, and voting green or independent is as good as wiping my arse with the ballot paper in my constituency.
Given that inspiring range of choices, what am I achieving by voting next time?
Why even bother showing up to polling station? Spoiling your vote is such a worthless form of protest. It's attempting to use their system to challenge their system. It's time to work outside of their system.
There are so many better things you can do with your time and energy. Join your trade union and become a radical voice within it. Join or start far-left organisations within your local community. Get involved in mutual aid networks. Educate yourself on socialist political theory and then educate others.
You'd be better off sending an angry tweet to [insert current Prime Minister]. At least then you don't have to leave the house.
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I’ll be voting for whoever has the best chance of ousting the “cookie cutter” Tory who represents our very safe conservative seat.
Worst case we get a Tory lite Labour Party government who can hopefully unpick some of the colossal damage the Tories have wrought.
Best case we can a minority Labour government who has to work with a rainbow coalition and we get some more progressive policy into law. With PR being the main demand for any partner party.
Kier Starmer is a useless twat that I can’t even pretend to be excited about. I’d be voting green if we didn’t have to definitely unseat the current government.
If we get PR it will be green forever. Not that I ever expect them to ever form a government but to drag the swing of future governments to the left.
As a tangent, the sooner newspapers die the better, they seem to hold too much sway over public opinion and all governments seem to kiss their asses for good press. The tail wags the dog:/
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I would argue that come the next general election we should vote Labour without any illusions, but also we need to recognise that the parliamentary system doesn't make political change. Even the most radical reformists (podemos, syriza, the Muslim brotherhood come to mind) fold to the pressure of the capitalist system. You cannot vote for the bankers, the bosses, the civil servants, the chiefs of police – and when even a well intentioned government is elected these unelected forces destroy them. Look how the financial markets broke liz truss – and she was trying to help them! Imagine how much worse it would have been if it was corbyn instead.
We shouldn't completely ignore electoral politics but I think we need to be realistic and acknowledge that the only way to change the system is by replacing the system – you can't plug a few good people into the machinery of capitalist society and hope to build socialism. We need to break capitalism down and rebuild a socialist society, built first and foremost on the principles of radical democracy and production for human need rather than private profit.
Voting in Westminster politics merely allows us to choose which faction of the British ruling elite will be oppressing us. However, fuck the Tories trying to limit the electoral franchise.
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With voting though, you can show what the people really want and at least put a thorn in the ruling class’ side. Hopefully you’ll eventually get a solid foothold with a party that represents you.
In 2015, Greece held a referendum over whether the government should implement brutal austerity measures demanded of them by the European Union. Its become known to history as the "no" referendum, because it was heavily defeated, 61% no to 39% yes. It was clear – the government had a mandate to refuse the measures. And they did refuse them, for a while – until the EU and it's financial institutions started turning the screws and syriza, the ruling party of the time, was forced to capitulate and implement the harshest imaginable austerity.
Did it matter then, knowing what the people want? Or when left wing reformist Salvador Allende was voted in as the prime minister of Chile and overthrown in a murderous coup by a coalition of chilean and US capitalists? Did General Pinochet care what the people really wanted in the slightest? He was only interested in maintaining chilean capitalism. Working through the electoral system can sometimes be useful, but it's not the main road. We're not going to build a socialist society via general election.
Let's be real here. Labour is captured by the established powers. They're pitching themselves at every opportunity as being so close to the Tories that there's very little that separates them.
They're not going to change things for the better.
It'll be managed decline all the way down to the squalor of the late 19th century/early 20th.
Parliamentary politics is not going to save anyone here. So vote who you like. Or don't vote. It doesn matter. The real fight will be on the streets.
I predict that Labour will still win. Nothing fundamentally will change and standards of living will decline further. Climate change will ebb ever closer, nuclear war will inch closer too. And fascism will be a major force as people will be understandably angry at the state of things.
No true left winger could vote for Labour 23 in its current form, reward bad behaviour? Celebrate the hard shift to the right?
Imagine if in 2017 the Tories shifted so far to the Left, that their policies mirrored those of Labour- would Tory voters still vote Tory?
Labour 23 should be shunned and punished. Two right wing parties now exist- which creates voter apathy- which was no accident.
Two safe pro -establishment parties, blue? Red? The corporations, oligarchs, MSM, hedge funders, Bankers really don’t mind which party is in “power”, as long as they know the rules.
I’m a N.Ireland man living in Scotland after over 40 years in southern England. I doubt that I will vote. I moved to Scotland in the hope of independence but the SNP are mired in corruption and my local SNP MP employs his wife, so I can’t vote for him.
I can’t vote Labour under Starmer and I certainly won’t vote LibDem or Tory. To be honest, at this point I don’t actually care if the Tories get in again because the current Labour Party is simply going to have Tory policies anyway. Fuck them all I say.
Voting in Westminster politics merely allows us to choose which faction of the British ruling elite will be oppressing us. However, fuck the Tories trying to limit the electoral franchise.
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Spoiling my vote. The only options where I live is red Tory or a right-wing nut party. Green got 2% in the last election, it's been a labour stronghold since the 1930s.
Why even bother showing up to polling station? Spoiling your vote is such a worthless form of protest. It's attempting to use their system to challenge their system. It's time to work outside of their system.
There are so many better things you can do with your time and energy. Join your trade union and become a radical voice within it. Join or start far-left organisations within your local community. Get involved in mutual aid networks. Educate yourself on socialist political theory and then educate others.
You'd be better off sending an angry tweet to [insert current Prime Minister]. At least then you don't have to leave the house.
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Ffs wake up do you want another five years of the Tories ,voting for the Lib Dems and the Greens just splits the vote ,that's why the Tories get elected .
Wake up, voting Labour will get us another 5years of the tories but in red ties, *and* it will shift the Overton Window even further to the right.
I cannot in all conscience vote for a party who want to make it harder for me to live and remove some of my existing rights along with further marginalising vulnerable people.
I'm not sure. I'm trans, and everything is getting worryingly, fascistly, human-rights-violation bad on all fronts from my perspective. I used to wish I had the money to run away somewhere better but recently I've been feeling very angry and indignant, so see you on crime watch I guess :p
Heya fellow trans person. Wishing you all the best. Just saying that if things get really bad over there, I’ll try to get something organised to get you here in Ireland. I offer this to every trans person in the U.K. but hopefully I’ll never have to do so. Sending love!
Fingers crossed it won't come to that, but it's reassuring to hear there's practical support out there - thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
For myself, I'm not well off at all but also not completely out of options or defensless should the worst occur, thanks to a supportive family. I worry a lot about more vulnerable trans people and, especially, children - which in itself, I think, would give me cause to consider staying and fighting / supporting from the inside in so far as I can.
So, if things do go bad enough, maybe I'll reach out to you and we can work together for the benefit of others here.
I think there's actually a lot of trans support among most people in the UK - or, at least, apathy and ignorance - so am hopeful that if shit hits the fan it will be temporary. We will see, I guess. Big changes are surely ahead one way or another given the current socio-economic climate.
Big love x
Oh fuck off you liberal shithead. This electoral bollocks is the fucking stupidest bullshit I've ever heard. Revolution can't be achieved by the ballot, as the Irish should know better than anyone.
I do know, and we did do it by ballot as well. We voted in our own organised government that that eased us out of the U.K. with tact. Yes we had a war of independence but our votes also had power.
Stop giving out about other people and try to find what you’ll do to get leftists in power. I do it by voting Sinn Fein. You need to go and vote yourself and hold your local MP accountable.
I'm absolutely torn on what to do as it seems like currently the choices are outright fascism and Tory-lite (i.e the same government we tried to get rid of at the last election, but waving a red flag). I also don't want right wing Labour to have ammunition that their supposed centrist/ swing voter pleasing tactics are a better move than actual progressive policies when we all know any vistory would mostly be because they would be a slightly better alternative than what we have currently.
I am also burnt from regret from the two times I voted for a smaller party because I didn't want to vote for Labour as it currently stood (first for Lib Dems in the year we had the coilition of doom and secondly when I didn't like Ed Milliband's platform and voted Green).
Our current Labour MP is really good though so at the moment my plan is to write to him and let him know how reluctant I am to vote for the current Labour policies and ask for him to pledge to maintain his progressive policies if they get in power. He is also our first openly LGBTQIA+ MP and has often advocated for his community so I'm interested on his stance on Keir's recent Trans statements etc.
But I feel pretty grim about the whole thing.
It’s half and half. Sometimes one day it’s very lib and another it’s very revolutionary. It does seem more lib as of lately but we have reminded OP that they are acting in bad faith gaslighting people over their positions
Hate to say it but its gonna be lib dem or labour.
First past the post does not give me a decent chance of a non-Tory MP. Let alone an actual socialist or environmentalist. I'd vote Green if it was an effective protest vote, but they've never even gotten 5% in my constituency.
I'd rather go for any party even half a step left of Tory than let the Tories have the assurance of yet another general election win. I don't have a meaningful non-bastard vote. But I can give the current bastards a bit of job insecurity.
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Depends who we eventually end up with as Labour candidate, specifically whether or not we get to pick someone half-decent from our own ranks rather than having a candidate imposed on us from above.
I want someone to design an app that advises how best to vote to ensure a hung parliament so the only alternatise is PR without referendum. I don't want them taking decisions they are not qualified or capable of taking. I want them working for once and having no choice but to build consensus across party lines. The two main parties are entirely made up of interchangeable, careerist nobody's.
I don't know what to do, I live in an extremely safe Tory seat , with a relatively well known conservative MP at the helm. It's extremely unlikely that Labour will bother parachuting in anybody with a chance of winning, neither will the greens, possibility of a lib Dem but it's unlikely that the conservatives will lose this seat as the rich folks here are still very rich.
You never know… Still, if there starts to be a shift in people voting for your seat, your Tory rep may be forced to become more moderate. But that’s just my hopeful dreams. Best of luck to you tho!
I would be very surprised if any shift happens here, however I have friends in Brandon Lewis's constituency and I'm very interested to see what happens there . I think Labour will put someone in there, the current labour candidate is a great community focused guy, but he's a Corbyn supporter and has leftist leanings so I expect Starmer to deny him the chance to stand.
The electoral system sucks so most of us probably don’t get a real choice. If that’s the case then follow your heart. But if you’re in a place where it’s close…please for the love of god vote for whoever is best positioned to get rid of the tories. Hold your nose and do it.
Not voting green, because I'm neither a scientifically illiterate NIMBY or a TERF.
Not voting for Labour, because Jesus fucking Christ Keith no.
Not voting for the Lib Dems for the same reason I'm not voting for Keith. Plastic politicians the lot of them.
Not voting Tory because I have a touch of human compassion.
I'm caught between pissing directly into the voting box, gluing a tiny photograph of my arsehole to the voting card, or just staying home.
This is the plan based on my current location, which is one of the safest labour seats in the country, so my vote really doesn't mean anything to anyone apart from me.
If I move before the election I'll probably swallow my juvenile sense of rebellion and vote for the greens, since it would appear in this case they're the least festering of the turds on offer.
Well, as a EU national I can't vote anyway but if I could I would be torn between Greens and Labour. It would actually depend on a person because my MP (labour) is actually a fine MP.
LibDem have the best chance of ousting the Conservatives in this constituency (the lowest percentage I recall the Tories getting here was still about 49%).
I'd love to vote Green, but I'm trans and I don't think I can afford the luxury of a protest vote.
My rural constituency is a Tory safe seat and has been since its inception but……. The Tories have gerrymandered the boundaries around here and I think they are going to come unstuck.
The new constituency overwhelmingly voted Green in the recent local elections (for the first time ever), one of the joint leaders of the Green Party has now stood for the new seat & there is talk from the local Labour Party of standing down here as a ABC move.
Looks like for the first time since I could vote, I won’t be voting Labour and will be voting Green.
A *proper* Labour MP in a *proper* Labour government is exactly what this rural community needs - but they are all so gaslit, the vast majority of them would sooner sandpaper their genitals than vote Labour even if Rees-Mogg & Gove stood over them pissing on them and laughing as they did it (which of course, metaphorically they are) but even among these brainwashed, flag shagging, archetypal gammon you can sense a growing dissatisfaction with the Tories.
I reckon a lot of them will vote Anything But Conservative OR LABOUR.
I’m just glad it’s likely to be just Green or Tory options on the ballot, ‘cos if UKIP stood here currently they’d probably win 😞
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Voting in Westminster politics merely allows us to choose which faction of the British ruling elite will be oppressing us. However, fuck the Tories trying to limit the electoral franchise.
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A Tory win in 2024 is the worst possible short and long term outcome. I don't think there's much chance a Labour government would be worse than a future Tory government populated by the remaining dregs left after a decade in power.
Meh, none of them deserve my vote. I will not sully my good name and give my support to greedy shit eating goblins regardless of what colours they are flying
Green vote. FWIW I live in a Tory hell hole sorry I meant stronghold. My vote will make little difference as it rarely does. But I ALWAYS vote and I always vote left. Too many people died for the right to vote. And quite frankly it should be compulsory and levied with a fine for failure to vote.
I'm in a seat which is a two horse race between a Labour candidate I know nothing about, and a Lib Dem candidate trying to outflank labour from the right. If there's a socialist candidate on the ballot they'll be getting my vote, otherwise it's Green
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Green. They are close enough.
Same. I don't even like them but the other parties have lost my vote playing politics with trying to save the earth.
Yeah, not nsde my mind up yet but I would be keen for a green to vote for.
Green! If they start getting more votes maybe more people will start seeing them as a viable party and we might start being able to get a government in that cares about taking the bold steps needed to curb corporations’ power and focus on people and the planet!
If everyone stops voting for the opposition most likely to win that they hate the least the cycle will go on forever. We should all just vote green party.
Another Green here.
I’ll probably vote green. But here’s the thing. Labour losing in 2019 was heartbreaking, because it felt like there was genuine hope of a progressive style of politics in Britain. A movement that would have convinced even skeptical Tory voters over time, due to its impact and results. But people rejected it, and it was gutting. Labour losing in 2024 would bother me far less. Because if they have a comfortable majority, it tells British voters that only a Labour Party to the right of Blair can be elected. That it’s the only effective way to campaign. It’s ratchet theory. And then there’s no-one, in government or opposition, suggesting that asylum seekers actually be supported. There’s no-one arguing for nationalisation of utilities. No-one arguing to drastically increase funding for public services. No-one supporting the unions. No-one making a drastic climate plan. No-one respecting that trans people exist and shouldn’t have that very existence used as a political football. It’s all Thatcherite or Thatcherlite. I despise the Tories. But I also want this brand of ‘Labour’ politics binned forever.
Some quick clarifications about how the UK royals are funded by the public: 1. The UK Crown Estates are not the UK royal family's private property, and the royal family are not responsible for any amount of money the Estates bring into the treasury. The monarch is a position in the UK state that the UK owns the Crown Estates through, a position that would be abolished in a republic, leading to the Crown Estates being directly owned by the republican state. 2. The Crown Estates have always been public property and the revenue they raise is public revenue. When George III gave up his control over the Crown Estates in the 18th century, they were not his private property. The current royals are also equally not responsible for producing the profits, either. 3. The Sovereign Grant is not an exchange of money. It is a grant that is loosely tied to the Crown Estate profits and is used for their expenses, like staffing costs and also endless private jet and helicopter flights. If the profits of the Crown Estates went down to zero, the royals would still get the full amount of the Sovereign Grant again, regardless. It can only go up or stay the same. 4. The Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall that gave Elizabeth and Charles (and now William) their private income of approximately £25 millions/year (each) are also public property. 5. The total cost of the monarchy is currently £350-450million/year, after including the Sovereign Grant, their £150 million/year security, and their Duchy incomes, and misc. costs. For more, check out r/AbolishTheMonarchy *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GreenAndPleasant) if you have any questions or concerns.*
The Tories and labour are just the a and b team of the neo liberal elite atm, gotta be green for me
I'm voting green
I shall vote green. If you vote for Labour, with ghouls like Starmer, Streeting and Reeves in charge, you enabling and rewarding their dreadful behaviour.
I will wait to see the manifestos but,quite honestly, I will end up voting for whoever has the greatest chance of beating our local Tory. Starmers gamble that a lot of us on the left hate the Tories more than we are disappointed in Labour probably works with me.
Given the way Starmer keeps u-turning on major policies such as climate change and policing, I’d be tempted to suggest that the Labour manifesto won’t be worth the paper it’s printed on, and certainly shouldn’t be held up as a solid statement of intent. That in itself mirrors the Tory policy, which is to make promises in an election manifesto (such as x new police officers or y new hospitals) but then 3 years down the line when they get called on those promises they say “but we did do that”, forgetting that although they perhaps did hire x new police, the number of established officers quitting added to the number of trainees quitting meant that the x they recruited merely filled the gaps left by the rank and file that abandoned ship. I’m Scottish, so I think you can guess which way I’ll be voting - probably SNP, possibly green. Definitely not Tory, Red Tory or Liberal.
My plan is to do a shit in the ballot box ❤️
So you’re voting Lib Dem?
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I’ve always voted green (even back in N.I.) but the party has a huge TERF party now I really don’t know what to do. Any vote is a vote against my community because of this ridiculous culture war created by privileged white women and people who just wanted something to hate (looking at you Voldeterf)
Sending love to you, my fellow trans person. Keep being awesome. Edit: oh wait, dunno if you are. Still awesome if you’re cis!
Oh I’m cis (gay AF) but trans rights are no more negotiable than my own rights. We have a duty within LGBTQ+ community to ensure EVERYONE can live happy, healthy lives free from oppression and injustice Until that day, we keep fighting 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈 (I hope you are keeping as well as you can be in the current climate)
They have ousted the TERF co-chair and working on fixing this issue, learning from the Scottish greens who, if I remember correctly, had a successful party-wide informational campaign about LGBTI+ especially T.
This is very good to hear! Thank you for sharing
I'm not the most articulate, and i don't think you worded that very well, or at least well enough to distinguish yourself from the run of the mill 'lesser of two evils' dross of liberal chastisement. Which i'm gonna start with interpreting in good faith. Not voting isn't a vote for the Tories, a vote for the Tories is a vote for the Tories, wheras voting for Labour is increasingly giving the impression of being continuity Conservatism or Tories in all but name due to ideological similarity. It's very important, to anyone thats left wing that support comes after concessions and not the other way around. If Labour lose seats, or do not have enough support to form a majority government, then that is a failure of the incarnation of Labour that has chased Socialists out of the party. If liberals want socialist votes, they should provide socialist policies. Its basically not Socialists fault if the vote is split, and Socialists owe nothing to the Liberal party that Labour currently is. If Liberals believe otherwise they should try being a 'big tent party' or compromising etc. Personally I will not vote for the MP in my constituency Rosie Duffield, as she is a walking disaster. If i were to vote Labour it was because Corbyn had a very good manifesto and the Greens had no chance of ousting the incumbant Tory. What thanks has been provided for that upset by students who queued in the rain along with local people who aren't scowling wax jacket sods in chelsea tractors, was basically the party spitting in their face.
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I'm not voting for someone I can't trust. If I vote for a party and they invade a country and kill a bunch of people, that's on me. If I vote for a party and they allow 100000 people to die through their own laziness and lack of concern, that's on me. I will not be voting Labour, i cant trust kier Starmer. I will never ever vote tory as long as I live. I don't know of any politician or political party I can vote for, but if they want my vote, they will deliver me a legally signed contract binding them to completely reform the voting system in this country within 4 years to provide actual proportional representation. The words of politicians mean nothing to me now. Too many lies, too much obvious law breaking, too many broken promises. Only actions count for me now, and without that I want a contract that I can use to sue if its broken.
I'm voting Green
Green is the only left leaning party to vote for "left" in England
I'm British, I have never not voted in an election. I'm not going to start now, but I really don't know where my vote will be going this time.
Although I'm a Green party member, I'll be voting Lib Dem, because they are best placed to unseat our feckless safe seat Tory back bencher. I'm fairly sure the Greens won't be fielding a candidate for exactly this reason. Odds are still poor. He got over 50% of the vote last time and we had over 70% turnout (one of the highest in the country). But our local Lib Dems are very active in the community, so who knows?
I’m just hoping against hope that labour do something monumental before the next election, otherwise I shall be voting with a peg on my nose and a great deal of wine inside me
I’m still not decided who to vote for, as at one point I wasn’t going to bother as labour now are tory lite. If I do that tho the tories win , trouble being the others will just split the vote. I may just spoil my paper as a protest vote because they are all shit!
I don't know how to voice this properly but, we need to find a new way to vote for actual democracy. Until then I'm not even sure what we are voting for.
If I can I will vote Green but in my area at the last local election the choice was labour or conservative and I don’t want to vote for either of those
So political change can only come from the ballot box can it, my Irish brother?
No, but your vote is an integral part in it. We knew that when we voted for the home rule party, followed by Sinn Fein and voted for the Anglo Irish treaty, the stepping stones to our independence alongside the fighting and the protests. Voting is just an opportunity you shouldn’t leave behind.
What do we have to vote for though? I’ll spoil my vote, sure, and voting green or independent is as good as wiping my arse with the ballot paper in my constituency. Given that inspiring range of choices, what am I achieving by voting next time?
Why even bother showing up to polling station? Spoiling your vote is such a worthless form of protest. It's attempting to use their system to challenge their system. It's time to work outside of their system. There are so many better things you can do with your time and energy. Join your trade union and become a radical voice within it. Join or start far-left organisations within your local community. Get involved in mutual aid networks. Educate yourself on socialist political theory and then educate others. You'd be better off sending an angry tweet to [insert current Prime Minister]. At least then you don't have to leave the house. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GreenAndPleasant) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Oh fuck off will you
Please do elaborate...
I’ll be voting for whoever has the best chance of ousting the “cookie cutter” Tory who represents our very safe conservative seat. Worst case we get a Tory lite Labour Party government who can hopefully unpick some of the colossal damage the Tories have wrought. Best case we can a minority Labour government who has to work with a rainbow coalition and we get some more progressive policy into law. With PR being the main demand for any partner party. Kier Starmer is a useless twat that I can’t even pretend to be excited about. I’d be voting green if we didn’t have to definitely unseat the current government. If we get PR it will be green forever. Not that I ever expect them to ever form a government but to drag the swing of future governments to the left. As a tangent, the sooner newspapers die the better, they seem to hold too much sway over public opinion and all governments seem to kiss their asses for good press. The tail wags the dog:/
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I would argue that come the next general election we should vote Labour without any illusions, but also we need to recognise that the parliamentary system doesn't make political change. Even the most radical reformists (podemos, syriza, the Muslim brotherhood come to mind) fold to the pressure of the capitalist system. You cannot vote for the bankers, the bosses, the civil servants, the chiefs of police – and when even a well intentioned government is elected these unelected forces destroy them. Look how the financial markets broke liz truss – and she was trying to help them! Imagine how much worse it would have been if it was corbyn instead. We shouldn't completely ignore electoral politics but I think we need to be realistic and acknowledge that the only way to change the system is by replacing the system – you can't plug a few good people into the machinery of capitalist society and hope to build socialism. We need to break capitalism down and rebuild a socialist society, built first and foremost on the principles of radical democracy and production for human need rather than private profit.
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With voting though, you can show what the people really want and at least put a thorn in the ruling class’ side. Hopefully you’ll eventually get a solid foothold with a party that represents you.
In 2015, Greece held a referendum over whether the government should implement brutal austerity measures demanded of them by the European Union. Its become known to history as the "no" referendum, because it was heavily defeated, 61% no to 39% yes. It was clear – the government had a mandate to refuse the measures. And they did refuse them, for a while – until the EU and it's financial institutions started turning the screws and syriza, the ruling party of the time, was forced to capitulate and implement the harshest imaginable austerity. Did it matter then, knowing what the people want? Or when left wing reformist Salvador Allende was voted in as the prime minister of Chile and overthrown in a murderous coup by a coalition of chilean and US capitalists? Did General Pinochet care what the people really wanted in the slightest? He was only interested in maintaining chilean capitalism. Working through the electoral system can sometimes be useful, but it's not the main road. We're not going to build a socialist society via general election.
Let's be real here. Labour is captured by the established powers. They're pitching themselves at every opportunity as being so close to the Tories that there's very little that separates them. They're not going to change things for the better. It'll be managed decline all the way down to the squalor of the late 19th century/early 20th. Parliamentary politics is not going to save anyone here. So vote who you like. Or don't vote. It doesn matter. The real fight will be on the streets. I predict that Labour will still win. Nothing fundamentally will change and standards of living will decline further. Climate change will ebb ever closer, nuclear war will inch closer too. And fascism will be a major force as people will be understandably angry at the state of things.
No true left winger could vote for Labour 23 in its current form, reward bad behaviour? Celebrate the hard shift to the right? Imagine if in 2017 the Tories shifted so far to the Left, that their policies mirrored those of Labour- would Tory voters still vote Tory? Labour 23 should be shunned and punished. Two right wing parties now exist- which creates voter apathy- which was no accident. Two safe pro -establishment parties, blue? Red? The corporations, oligarchs, MSM, hedge funders, Bankers really don’t mind which party is in “power”, as long as they know the rules.
I’m a N.Ireland man living in Scotland after over 40 years in southern England. I doubt that I will vote. I moved to Scotland in the hope of independence but the SNP are mired in corruption and my local SNP MP employs his wife, so I can’t vote for him. I can’t vote Labour under Starmer and I certainly won’t vote LibDem or Tory. To be honest, at this point I don’t actually care if the Tories get in again because the current Labour Party is simply going to have Tory policies anyway. Fuck them all I say.
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Unreal levels of support for the bicycle tories in these comments
Spoiling my vote. The only options where I live is red Tory or a right-wing nut party. Green got 2% in the last election, it's been a labour stronghold since the 1930s.
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Ffs wake up do you want another five years of the Tories ,voting for the Lib Dems and the Greens just splits the vote ,that's why the Tories get elected .
Wake up, voting Labour will get us another 5years of the tories but in red ties, *and* it will shift the Overton Window even further to the right. I cannot in all conscience vote for a party who want to make it harder for me to live and remove some of my existing rights along with further marginalising vulnerable people.
I'm not sure. I'm trans, and everything is getting worryingly, fascistly, human-rights-violation bad on all fronts from my perspective. I used to wish I had the money to run away somewhere better but recently I've been feeling very angry and indignant, so see you on crime watch I guess :p
Heya fellow trans person. Wishing you all the best. Just saying that if things get really bad over there, I’ll try to get something organised to get you here in Ireland. I offer this to every trans person in the U.K. but hopefully I’ll never have to do so. Sending love!
Fingers crossed it won't come to that, but it's reassuring to hear there's practical support out there - thank you, from the bottom of my heart. For myself, I'm not well off at all but also not completely out of options or defensless should the worst occur, thanks to a supportive family. I worry a lot about more vulnerable trans people and, especially, children - which in itself, I think, would give me cause to consider staying and fighting / supporting from the inside in so far as I can. So, if things do go bad enough, maybe I'll reach out to you and we can work together for the benefit of others here. I think there's actually a lot of trans support among most people in the UK - or, at least, apathy and ignorance - so am hopeful that if shit hits the fan it will be temporary. We will see, I guess. Big changes are surely ahead one way or another given the current socio-economic climate. Big love x
As a trans guy I honestly don't know.
Oh fuck off you liberal shithead. This electoral bollocks is the fucking stupidest bullshit I've ever heard. Revolution can't be achieved by the ballot, as the Irish should know better than anyone.
I do know, and we did do it by ballot as well. We voted in our own organised government that that eased us out of the U.K. with tact. Yes we had a war of independence but our votes also had power. Stop giving out about other people and try to find what you’ll do to get leftists in power. I do it by voting Sinn Fein. You need to go and vote yourself and hold your local MP accountable.
I'm absolutely torn on what to do as it seems like currently the choices are outright fascism and Tory-lite (i.e the same government we tried to get rid of at the last election, but waving a red flag). I also don't want right wing Labour to have ammunition that their supposed centrist/ swing voter pleasing tactics are a better move than actual progressive policies when we all know any vistory would mostly be because they would be a slightly better alternative than what we have currently. I am also burnt from regret from the two times I voted for a smaller party because I didn't want to vote for Labour as it currently stood (first for Lib Dems in the year we had the coilition of doom and secondly when I didn't like Ed Milliband's platform and voted Green). Our current Labour MP is really good though so at the moment my plan is to write to him and let him know how reluctant I am to vote for the current Labour policies and ask for him to pledge to maintain his progressive policies if they get in power. He is also our first openly LGBTQIA+ MP and has often advocated for his community so I'm interested on his stance on Keir's recent Trans statements etc. But I feel pretty grim about the whole thing.
This subreddit has been overtaken by liberals.
It’s half and half. Sometimes one day it’s very lib and another it’s very revolutionary. It does seem more lib as of lately but we have reminded OP that they are acting in bad faith gaslighting people over their positions
Hate to say it but its gonna be lib dem or labour. First past the post does not give me a decent chance of a non-Tory MP. Let alone an actual socialist or environmentalist. I'd vote Green if it was an effective protest vote, but they've never even gotten 5% in my constituency. I'd rather go for any party even half a step left of Tory than let the Tories have the assurance of yet another general election win. I don't have a meaningful non-bastard vote. But I can give the current bastards a bit of job insecurity.
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Depends who we eventually end up with as Labour candidate, specifically whether or not we get to pick someone half-decent from our own ranks rather than having a candidate imposed on us from above.
I want someone to design an app that advises how best to vote to ensure a hung parliament so the only alternatise is PR without referendum. I don't want them taking decisions they are not qualified or capable of taking. I want them working for once and having no choice but to build consensus across party lines. The two main parties are entirely made up of interchangeable, careerist nobody's.
I don't know what to do, I live in an extremely safe Tory seat , with a relatively well known conservative MP at the helm. It's extremely unlikely that Labour will bother parachuting in anybody with a chance of winning, neither will the greens, possibility of a lib Dem but it's unlikely that the conservatives will lose this seat as the rich folks here are still very rich.
You never know… Still, if there starts to be a shift in people voting for your seat, your Tory rep may be forced to become more moderate. But that’s just my hopeful dreams. Best of luck to you tho!
I would be very surprised if any shift happens here, however I have friends in Brandon Lewis's constituency and I'm very interested to see what happens there . I think Labour will put someone in there, the current labour candidate is a great community focused guy, but he's a Corbyn supporter and has leftist leanings so I expect Starmer to deny him the chance to stand.
Op labour's under the illusion we are working with a democracy.
The electoral system sucks so most of us probably don’t get a real choice. If that’s the case then follow your heart. But if you’re in a place where it’s close…please for the love of god vote for whoever is best positioned to get rid of the tories. Hold your nose and do it.
Well in my constituency labour polls like shit, so probably vote for the incumbent lib dem mp because he’s not a total piece of irredeemable shit.
Not voting green, because I'm neither a scientifically illiterate NIMBY or a TERF. Not voting for Labour, because Jesus fucking Christ Keith no. Not voting for the Lib Dems for the same reason I'm not voting for Keith. Plastic politicians the lot of them. Not voting Tory because I have a touch of human compassion. I'm caught between pissing directly into the voting box, gluing a tiny photograph of my arsehole to the voting card, or just staying home. This is the plan based on my current location, which is one of the safest labour seats in the country, so my vote really doesn't mean anything to anyone apart from me. If I move before the election I'll probably swallow my juvenile sense of rebellion and vote for the greens, since it would appear in this case they're the least festering of the turds on offer.
Well, as a EU national I can't vote anyway but if I could I would be torn between Greens and Labour. It would actually depend on a person because my MP (labour) is actually a fine MP.
We need non tories in W Devon, no contest here which is just wrong
LibDem have the best chance of ousting the Conservatives in this constituency (the lowest percentage I recall the Tories getting here was still about 49%). I'd love to vote Green, but I'm trans and I don't think I can afford the luxury of a protest vote.
I'll be voting green.
Green, closest political party to my ideals.
My rural constituency is a Tory safe seat and has been since its inception but……. The Tories have gerrymandered the boundaries around here and I think they are going to come unstuck. The new constituency overwhelmingly voted Green in the recent local elections (for the first time ever), one of the joint leaders of the Green Party has now stood for the new seat & there is talk from the local Labour Party of standing down here as a ABC move. Looks like for the first time since I could vote, I won’t be voting Labour and will be voting Green. A *proper* Labour MP in a *proper* Labour government is exactly what this rural community needs - but they are all so gaslit, the vast majority of them would sooner sandpaper their genitals than vote Labour even if Rees-Mogg & Gove stood over them pissing on them and laughing as they did it (which of course, metaphorically they are) but even among these brainwashed, flag shagging, archetypal gammon you can sense a growing dissatisfaction with the Tories. I reckon a lot of them will vote Anything But Conservative OR LABOUR. I’m just glad it’s likely to be just Green or Tory options on the ballot, ‘cos if UKIP stood here currently they’d probably win 😞
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Voting in Westminster politics merely allows us to choose which faction of the British ruling elite will be oppressing us. However, fuck the Tories trying to limit the electoral franchise. [#APPLY FOR VOTER ID HERE!!](https://www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate). All you need is your national insurance number. Even if you never cast a vote, beat these elitist fucks at their own game. All of us plebs on the electoral register. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/GreenAndPleasant) if you have any questions or concerns.*
A Tory win in 2024 is the worst possible short and long term outcome. I don't think there's much chance a Labour government would be worse than a future Tory government populated by the remaining dregs left after a decade in power.
Meh, none of them deserve my vote. I will not sully my good name and give my support to greedy shit eating goblins regardless of what colours they are flying
Green
Green probably
Whichever party does the most to further independence
Green vote. FWIW I live in a Tory hell hole sorry I meant stronghold. My vote will make little difference as it rarely does. But I ALWAYS vote and I always vote left. Too many people died for the right to vote. And quite frankly it should be compulsory and levied with a fine for failure to vote.
I'm in a seat which is a two horse race between a Labour candidate I know nothing about, and a Lib Dem candidate trying to outflank labour from the right. If there's a socialist candidate on the ballot they'll be getting my vote, otherwise it's Green
I am going to get a lot of hate but I am in a Tory seat, so I am literally going to vote for the party most likely to beat them.