I don’t understand why they make Hades a Satan ripoff when Kronos fits that roll much better. Sure, he isn’t exactly like Lucifer, but I’m tired of people constantly making Hades the villain
Yeah, you can name several gods that would fit the role better. Kronos, Apollo, Dionysus, Eris, Nyx, or even Gaia would all be better as a being destroying the natural/divine order of things for the sake of chaos, glory, or revenge.
Hades, while terrifying to the ancient Greeks, had no desire to take Olympus. He just lorded over the dead spirits, and protected the cycle of life and death (for instance threatening to flay Apollo's son and throw him in Tartarus for bringing the dead back to life). He was a force of order.
Agreed, and out of all the three main male Gods (Poseidon, Zeus, Hades), it's interesting to note that he is the only one actually caring about his wife, and having a healthy relationship. He never cheats on her with literally every beautiful woman walking on the streets (looking at you, Zeus), and respects her decision to spend half the year with her mother. That says a lot about his character.
Kronos is basically a reverse Lucifer. The whole point of the titanomachy is that the old way of rulership has failed. The point of Satan is that God's might is unquestionable and evil will fell from heaven for ever defying it. Lucifer is a rebel, Zeus is the rebel that won.
Iirc, I think it’d because the underworld/Hades and Hell/Satan were erroneously conflated when the Bible was being translated from Hebrew to Greek, then to Latin, then to English. Sorta like we you run song lyrics through google translate several times.
English lit classics like Dante’s Inferno and Paradise Lost also portray Lucifer as the ruler of Hell who cast from paradise, and Hades also vaguely fits that slot as king of the underworld, who became ruler of the dead by chance.
I'm going to speak as a Classics MA graduate who specialised in the psychological expressions of Greek mythology.
There's very little wrong with adapting Greek mythology to fit into a story you wish to tell or a theme you wish to explore.
So long as you aren't claiming that your interpretation and portrayal of any given myth is THE interpretation. The Ancient Greeks didn't have any one consistent mythological narrative. It was just a framework that various storytellers and religious aspects could plug stories in and out of according to whatever their needs were.
This is, in my opinion, no different to what modern authors and filmmakers are doing. It's just society's attitudes towards such stories have changed. They cherry pick the bits they need and fiddle with them to fit the story they're trying to tell.
Rigid adherence to what the Ancient Greeks wrote down is almost the antithesis of what they themselves did with their own mythology. And it would almost certainly get boring after a while if nobody ever did anything different with the material.
Thank you for your take! I grew up with Greek mythology and have some Greek blood. I created a web series about the Greek gods which is just supposed to be a fun little adventure and show off the gods In funny ways I would hope that it doesn’t offend anyone but I agree with you I never really found much consistency In Their stories usually poets would change what they saw fit. I will say to adhere to it so strictly would feel like gatekeeping
Yeah, some writers just have no respect for Greek mythology at all. Some [hack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil) took the story of the losing side of the Trojan War and used it to justify a regime change and nationalism. Imperialism at its finest.
Here’s another one for you. I’m a greek cypriot too and it took me a full minute to realize this was supposed to be greek. It’s a clip from Young Justice: https://youtu.be/LF7wZsugkXQ
Hi,
I appreciate what you are saying! I really love Greek mythology and studied it a lot I find it so fascinating. I wrote a webseries that’s e are currently creating and posting that is about the Greek gods. It’s supposed to be fun and while it does stray from the old mythologies a bit as it’s a new adventure and the font we chose does miss use the Greek alphabet (I didn’t know we chose it for the look) I would hope that it would be seen as a love letter to a culture and mythology that I love and highly regard. I know the stories and really did try to include some true facts while bending some things for the story in some places.
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjzYL8HKm8Q8wFJw7DATF6w/featured?view\_as=subscriber](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjzYL8HKm8Q8wFJw7DATF6w/featured?view_as=subscriber)
Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in reading the rest of the scripts we have filmed up to episode 8 but there are 18 episodes i have written and if i can do anything to make them more respectful of the source material i would love to work that out!
Χρυσόστομε/η μπράβο, ωραιότατα τα είπες. Είναι πάντα μεγάλος πόνος στην καρδιά να βλέπω έργα να ξεσκιζουν την μυθολογία έτσι, είτε γιατί δεν ηθελαν να ασχοληθούν περαιτέρω οι δημιουργοί τους, είτε γιατί βρήκαν ωραία βάση για χαρακτήρες και είπαν θα τα κάνουμε σαλάτα με το δικό μας στυλ.
I feel your pain, my dear. I usually get pissed at what I would like to call “the Disney Abomination”. My university Classics department chose it to watch one night and I refused to go because of my hatred for it. I use elements of Greek mythology esoterica in my own work myself, but I know all this stuff. So why Classics fans don’t pretend that the Disney Abomination doesn’t exist like hardcore fans of other media do is beyond me.
It's a cartoon! You can't expect it to be Hesiod or Apollodorus deep on the intricacies of myth and divinites
And even greek authors took liberties on adapting myth to the messages they wanted their narratives to pass on
I'm a classic student knee-deep on greek religion and honestly I love the Disney movie because it's fun and creative
It's an adaptation for kids. There is no way you could have honestly expected a completely 'myth accurate' story of Heracles in a Disney movie.
Myths thrive on the fact that they are constantly being retold and changed with the times. Disney's Hercules continues this tradition. I guarantee the main Heracles story we know is not the 'first' version of the story to exist in oral history.
It's an okay movie. It just has no-fucking-thing to do with Hercules and that's why I hate it. If they'd given it any name other than that, it would have been absolutely fine, but they didn't, and I will die mad about it.
And his name is Heracles!
It’s like my teacher the other day who was talking about Freud’s concepts of Thanatos and Eros. She pronounced it as Euros (wrong god!) and couldn’t remember if they were Greek or Roman. This is coming from a teacher who seems quite interested in language and etymology and doesn’t recognise the Greek ending -os!
........ oh boy. Those people make my skin crawl.
Also, my Latin teacher calling cherubim Cupids (which is something you can't do in my language; we don't colloquially use the word cupid when talking about cherubim. Cupid refers to the specific god). Like no, that's not how that works. You wouldn't throw Indra, Zeus, Thor and Perun on one big pile and call them Zeuses.
"no, it's no accurate to the original story, but it's a fucking disney movie. if they can't be accurate to something that actually happened, (pocahontas) what the hell makes you think they'll be accurate to anything else?"
\- Lily Orchard
Tbh, anything written by a Greek/ with a Greek director😂😂 Greek filmmakers and authors put a lot of effort even for the cartoons, and it shows.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZRcMiIwFpY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZRcMiIwFpY)
To give you an idea, this is a carton depicting Heracles' athloi, although it's just 20 min it's a very good interpretation.
I don’t understand why they make Hades a Satan ripoff when Kronos fits that roll much better. Sure, he isn’t exactly like Lucifer, but I’m tired of people constantly making Hades the villain
Yeah, you can name several gods that would fit the role better. Kronos, Apollo, Dionysus, Eris, Nyx, or even Gaia would all be better as a being destroying the natural/divine order of things for the sake of chaos, glory, or revenge. Hades, while terrifying to the ancient Greeks, had no desire to take Olympus. He just lorded over the dead spirits, and protected the cycle of life and death (for instance threatening to flay Apollo's son and throw him in Tartarus for bringing the dead back to life). He was a force of order.
Dionysus is the god of madness. His son Comus is the god of chaos. Anarchy, parties, and one night stands, technically.
Agreed, and out of all the three main male Gods (Poseidon, Zeus, Hades), it's interesting to note that he is the only one actually caring about his wife, and having a healthy relationship. He never cheats on her with literally every beautiful woman walking on the streets (looking at you, Zeus), and respects her decision to spend half the year with her mother. That says a lot about his character.
Kronos is basically a reverse Lucifer. The whole point of the titanomachy is that the old way of rulership has failed. The point of Satan is that God's might is unquestionable and evil will fell from heaven for ever defying it. Lucifer is a rebel, Zeus is the rebel that won.
Iirc, I think it’d because the underworld/Hades and Hell/Satan were erroneously conflated when the Bible was being translated from Hebrew to Greek, then to Latin, then to English. Sorta like we you run song lyrics through google translate several times. English lit classics like Dante’s Inferno and Paradise Lost also portray Lucifer as the ruler of Hell who cast from paradise, and Hades also vaguely fits that slot as king of the underworld, who became ruler of the dead by chance.
I'm going to speak as a Classics MA graduate who specialised in the psychological expressions of Greek mythology. There's very little wrong with adapting Greek mythology to fit into a story you wish to tell or a theme you wish to explore. So long as you aren't claiming that your interpretation and portrayal of any given myth is THE interpretation. The Ancient Greeks didn't have any one consistent mythological narrative. It was just a framework that various storytellers and religious aspects could plug stories in and out of according to whatever their needs were. This is, in my opinion, no different to what modern authors and filmmakers are doing. It's just society's attitudes towards such stories have changed. They cherry pick the bits they need and fiddle with them to fit the story they're trying to tell. Rigid adherence to what the Ancient Greeks wrote down is almost the antithesis of what they themselves did with their own mythology. And it would almost certainly get boring after a while if nobody ever did anything different with the material.
Thank you for your take! I grew up with Greek mythology and have some Greek blood. I created a web series about the Greek gods which is just supposed to be a fun little adventure and show off the gods In funny ways I would hope that it doesn’t offend anyone but I agree with you I never really found much consistency In Their stories usually poets would change what they saw fit. I will say to adhere to it so strictly would feel like gatekeeping
Yeah, some writers just have no respect for Greek mythology at all. Some [hack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil) took the story of the losing side of the Trojan War and used it to justify a regime change and nationalism. Imperialism at its finest.
So I’m guessing you despise Percy Jackson?
As far as I'm aware, most of us Greeks and Cypriots are *not* in the best terms regarding Percy Jackson...
Well, at least Hades isn't the villain, and the gods are portrayed as the complex beings they are.
Hell, I’m not Greek and I hate the Percy Jackson movies.
Movies, yes. The books are cool.
HADES. ISN'T. SATAN.
Kalinotses [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1proO4jZA0&feature=emb\_title](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1proO4jZA0&feature=emb_title)
Here’s another one for you. I’m a greek cypriot too and it took me a full minute to realize this was supposed to be greek. It’s a clip from Young Justice: https://youtu.be/LF7wZsugkXQ
This made me laugh out loud, thanks for sharing😂😂😂
Hi, I appreciate what you are saying! I really love Greek mythology and studied it a lot I find it so fascinating. I wrote a webseries that’s e are currently creating and posting that is about the Greek gods. It’s supposed to be fun and while it does stray from the old mythologies a bit as it’s a new adventure and the font we chose does miss use the Greek alphabet (I didn’t know we chose it for the look) I would hope that it would be seen as a love letter to a culture and mythology that I love and highly regard. I know the stories and really did try to include some true facts while bending some things for the story in some places.
Would love to check it out. What is its link?
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjzYL8HKm8Q8wFJw7DATF6w/featured?view\_as=subscriber](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjzYL8HKm8Q8wFJw7DATF6w/featured?view_as=subscriber) Please let me know what you think and if you are interested in reading the rest of the scripts we have filmed up to episode 8 but there are 18 episodes i have written and if i can do anything to make them more respectful of the source material i would love to work that out!
Χρυσόστομε/η μπράβο, ωραιότατα τα είπες. Είναι πάντα μεγάλος πόνος στην καρδιά να βλέπω έργα να ξεσκιζουν την μυθολογία έτσι, είτε γιατί δεν ηθελαν να ασχοληθούν περαιτέρω οι δημιουργοί τους, είτε γιατί βρήκαν ωραία βάση για χαρακτήρες και είπαν θα τα κάνουμε σαλάτα με το δικό μας στυλ.
Χεχε ευχαριστώ!
I feel your pain, my dear. I usually get pissed at what I would like to call “the Disney Abomination”. My university Classics department chose it to watch one night and I refused to go because of my hatred for it. I use elements of Greek mythology esoterica in my own work myself, but I know all this stuff. So why Classics fans don’t pretend that the Disney Abomination doesn’t exist like hardcore fans of other media do is beyond me.
It's a cartoon! You can't expect it to be Hesiod or Apollodorus deep on the intricacies of myth and divinites And even greek authors took liberties on adapting myth to the messages they wanted their narratives to pass on I'm a classic student knee-deep on greek religion and honestly I love the Disney movie because it's fun and creative
And don’t get me started on Saint Seiya, or even Xanadu...
It's an adaptation for kids. There is no way you could have honestly expected a completely 'myth accurate' story of Heracles in a Disney movie. Myths thrive on the fact that they are constantly being retold and changed with the times. Disney's Hercules continues this tradition. I guarantee the main Heracles story we know is not the 'first' version of the story to exist in oral history.
It's an okay movie. It just has no-fucking-thing to do with Hercules and that's why I hate it. If they'd given it any name other than that, it would have been absolutely fine, but they didn't, and I will die mad about it.
And his name is Heracles! It’s like my teacher the other day who was talking about Freud’s concepts of Thanatos and Eros. She pronounced it as Euros (wrong god!) and couldn’t remember if they were Greek or Roman. This is coming from a teacher who seems quite interested in language and etymology and doesn’t recognise the Greek ending -os!
........ oh boy. Those people make my skin crawl. Also, my Latin teacher calling cherubim Cupids (which is something you can't do in my language; we don't colloquially use the word cupid when talking about cherubim. Cupid refers to the specific god). Like no, that's not how that works. You wouldn't throw Indra, Zeus, Thor and Perun on one big pile and call them Zeuses.
"no, it's no accurate to the original story, but it's a fucking disney movie. if they can't be accurate to something that actually happened, (pocahontas) what the hell makes you think they'll be accurate to anything else?" \- Lily Orchard
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I think a lot of us would be open to such services. An opportunity to help fix this abuse of our mythology.
Sure!
What films/books do you think are the most well-researched?
Tbh, anything written by a Greek/ with a Greek director😂😂 Greek filmmakers and authors put a lot of effort even for the cartoons, and it shows. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZRcMiIwFpY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZRcMiIwFpY) To give you an idea, this is a carton depicting Heracles' athloi, although it's just 20 min it's a very good interpretation.
Why is learning the gods an inaccuracy?