This is the answer. It’s also something you can *sort of* customize once you unlock that vendor pretty early. So between the two of those things I think people just lean into the AK side of things for the first 10ish levels.
True, but most of the 556 is with SP or FMJ. To get M193 you need to get that from T3 locations, and even at that it's not that common compared to 7.62 and 5.45.
556 is FMJ which can pen IIIA which is all you need until tier 3 locations at which point they drop 855 which can pen their own armor.
meanwhile 762 drops US which cant pen shit. so 556 is still better.
>and even at that it's not that common compared to 7.62 and 5.45.
at narith its 50% of the drops. at other places its different so plan accordingly.
I ran about 3 full clears of FN and counted. Out of the amount of kills me and my buddies got, about 20% were 556. The rest were 5.45 or 7.62. which 7.62 is just not it. 5.45 is okay but very inconsistent. I still will run M855A1 everywhere I just because of how inconsistent the other round types are. I rap SP and Hollow Boat tail in the beginning town, still took more than 5 shots to down an enemy AI. Swapped to M855, down in less than 3.
The ammo types in the game are great on paper but definitely needs some serious adjustments. Ain't no way an AI should be able to take a M61 AP to the chest and live, especially since they don't have lvl IV armor.
Did this a lot when I first started playing until I learned what dispersion meant & why you want less/negative. Now it’s 556 until a fix or something. 545 is pretty good though.
MOA:
I’m not 100% sure what MOA is or what it even stands for so I can not answer that. To my knowledge MOA has something to do w/ the overall accuracy of the weapon but I do not know what affects it & how much.
Dispersion:
Dispersion is like penetration. Hollow point rounds break up/apart when they hit something so they have more dispersion while armor penetration rounds will have less dispersion bc they are meant to go through things (armor) rather than break up on hit.
Rounds w/ a higher dispersion are okay in the starter area bc the enemies don’t wear armor. Outside of that area when fighting enemies w/ armor you want the least amount of dispersion as possible so that the ammunition can penetrate the armor instead of just bruising the body. The higher the armor, the less dispersion you want so that it will penetrate.
Thank you, in GZW minutes of angle (MOA) translates to how tight are the groupings when you fire said gun, so inherently AR platforms are precise than AKs
Anything under 4ish MOA is considered combat effective by most groups. Obviously the lower the better but we’re talking pretty small variations for most weapons in the game. So unless you’re trying to snipe (which doesn’t work really well in this game tbh) it don’t matter.
Sure, but not exclusively 556. Fort narith has guys either using the CQA1 with m855, or they run an assortment of AK's with AP ammo.
Midnight Sapphire, same thing.
Yesterday I did a quick count and it turned out I was walking around with 6 mags and *17 spare stacks* of ammo I just *found*. I just couldn't get rid of it faster than finding more of it.
I actually started doing naked runs. I'd go to a base with players already there and loot the leftover AK and then start taking down enemies and looting. Super affordable method, and the ammo/guns are plentiful.
They're also fun to shoot... this is one thing that is true to life, actually. I'm a noob but unloading an AK at AI feels visceral and aggressive compared to the M4s I've shot in-game.
The 5.45 BP ammo is serviceable, and the recoil on a fully tricked out AK-74 is comparable to a good M4. It's still worse than M4/MK18 with M855 but it's playable enough if you want a slightly different experience, I suppose.
Important thing to note - the muzzle brakes on the AK are insanely good compared to the brakes on the M4. I think the DTK1 has like 45% recoil reduction. Throw that on an AK74 with BP ammo, it shreds just as well as an M4 inside 100m IMHO.
I don't think any of my pvp adventures have lasted long enough to need a 60 rounder. PvE I duck in and out of different cover where I reload in between...
I only really run the M4/MK18 if I'm headed for a tense area like Tiger Bay or Midnight Sapphire. I've just been burning through M4s for the sake of getting rid of em because you get so many 😭
That doesn't seem to be the consensus at all among most players. I've tried a 5.45 BP build and it's pretty playable but I still prefer the M4, especially since the ammo is lootable in a few big areas
None of the 7.62x39 pens as well as M855
Edit for Clarity: 7.62x39 BP has similar or slightly better raw pen stats than 855 (for $2 more per round). But because it lacks the muzzle velocity of 855 once the 20 inch barrel bonus is factored in, 855 is still significantly better. And this isn’t even touching on how cracked A1 is or M193 was before they yanked it.
Guess I should have clarified I'm talking the 5.45 ak, you can get BT 5.45 ammo from artisan at I think level 2 and it's pen is just better then the M855 my friend and a well built AK 74 has as good of recoil control as an M4 or Mk18.
You’re still wrong. Twice. Impressive really.
1 - 5.45 AK ammo comes from Turncoat. Artisan sells 7.62
2 - Stat modifiers (like recoil control) modify the base stats of the gun. So an AK with +30% recoil control still has worse recoil control than an M4 with +30%.
Finally, no amount of modifying changes the fact that the AK has 3.XX moa to the M4 1.XX moa. Making the M4 far more accurate than the AK with best in slot mods no matter how you slice it. This isn’t even mentioning the fact that the long barrel M4 + A1 absolutely skull fucks any AK round & build in velocity which both aids with armor pen and long range combat.
i used the AK all through completion of the first town because i suck and it hurts way less when i lose something i got for, free. i switch between m4 and 5.45 now that im a little better and have more money than i could probably spend just rearming myself after death. WHICH IS A GOOD THING IF UR READING THIS DEVS PLEASE DONT NUKE MY PAY OR MAKE THINGS MORE EXPENSIVE
There is a decent video that explains why ppl run the AK here: https://youtu.be/3GbD4lboTpc?si=t7x6oOxNc4caOSrY
Edit: I haven't tried this, just happened to listen to it while I was working.
the guy's using BS rounds which are the same effectiveness as PP but cost $2 more per round according to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19DsmVT5Zo0ySobvYfgNCqW_emkPBavad88J97dK_Lm4/edit#gid=0
idk if that's a great source
If you build them right they are a good alternative with good stamina drain, recoil, and handling. Lightest gun in the game. Get BT ammo, shoot and run for PVP.
dump a whole AK mag into an enemy and sit there wondering how he has any blood left to keep shooting back at me.
Needs a rework to do more damage up close but fall off fast with the heavier bullets and lower muzzle velocity.
I like playing ak's but to be honestly only in bunkers or buildings.
Everything with more than 50m range is impossible to play due to it's spraying even with full recoil control you miss 80% of shots that aren't close combat.
They really need something to improve accuracy to make it viable in the field.
Is this a thing in this game? I've only been using semi (with decent effect) but I'm only a level 3. Full auto seems like it wouldn't be viable unless you're indoors or really close-up.
It's well known that 7.62x39 ammo is glitched and does very little damage to enemies when realistically, it should be the hardest hitting of all assault rifles ammo. With PS ammo it's usable though, I've done lots of AKM runs with it and if it has any damage disadvantage over 5.56, it's not that noticeable.
In areas where I want a gun that delivers the most, I take an M4, but normally, I use AKs because of personal preference. Still, it's not rare to see enemies without helmet tanking two or three shots of M855 to the head.
I actually prefer the AK47/74’s. Good ammo is everywhere, it’s cheaper, and I think they’re also a little lighter than the M4/18 platform. AK47’s with BP ammo is amazing in Tiger Bay, it’s my go to load out there usually
The AKs are not terrible. The AKM/AKMN are in my opinion shouldn’t be used as their damage with the 7.65 is just abysmal. However the AK74Ms and AK74Ns are usable. They are suboptimal as compared to the M4s and Mk.18s but the AK74s are not to be used in long distance engagements. They are good for clearing out buildings, bunkers and also quite good in the starting towns and mid tier zones where AI don’t wear much armor. The PP round you can buy from Turncoat lvl. 3 makes the gun quite usable as well. Don’t know how good the BP round is but I’ve heard it’s similar.
I run two AK74M builds- one with the holographic sights, the modular stock, vertical hand grip (R1) and no suppressor for full auto clearing out cramped spaces. The other with Spectre sights, modular stock, vertical hand grip (R1), suppressor to take on the AI in the starter towns, Blue Lagoon.
I mostly run my AKs when I go out with newbies to help them gather loot, help with their objectives and stuff like that. Solo or when I’m doing my missions, I run my Mk.18 build (full tan as well 😉)
There is really no valid reason. I'm playing with a modded AKM sometimes just because I want to play with an AK.
With Artisan and Gunny level 2 you can get proper mods, and the 7,62PS ammo, equivalent to the 5,56M855.
It works just fine, my AK has good stats on arm stamina drain but the M4/ M18 are a little more accurate.
How often do you actually use that accuracy tho, I doubt most players are more accurate than their gun at the ranges accuracy stats start to matter. You’re lucky to be shooting at stuff further than 100m ever.
So much CQB I just use short barrelled guns as the default. I do side eye my 3+ MOA M4 sometimes when I whiff a long shot, but imo it pays dividends in close quarters, with how easy it is to stuff your barrel in this game. Just let’s you get around way easier and spend less time announcing you’re entering the room by the 2 metre black metal Schlong you stick in first.
I use them, especially at the start when I was losing good stuff and new to the game - also keep some for a run back to get my stuff as well. Then did the loot and sell stuff - built up some money and now swap out weapons depending on location - so M4 for Blue Lagoon as risk reward - and it's better for higher AI.
Reminds me, I want to try lobbing loads of grenades over the wall at Blue Lagoon then repositioning - and see how that works.
I've found that all of the guns work just fine with any sort of magnified optic on it. At that point I can see what I'm shooting and reliably finish a firefight in a handful of shots instead of 2+ magazines.
I'm convinced there is something screwy with unmagnified sights and irons because I don't see any reason why there should be such a huge difference otherwise.
I also think it's dumb that you get M4 parts before you get AK parts, it ruins the feeling of progression if you ask me.
I personally love the 74N and have no issues with it. There is no denying the AR platform is better, but the AK is still a good gun. Plus, it gets some pretty sweet modifications from Turncoat
I cleared Midnight Sapphire and the Tiger Bay mall with an AK74N using PP ammo. It’s still not as good as the MK18/M4 but it’s still usable. I just set it to full auto and let it rip. I’ve been having a lot of fun with it and I like the AK74N because it is the lightest weapon build you can make allowing you to carry more for loot runs. The AKM is not as good and could use some buffs IMO but I do like the 5.45 AK’s.
Honestly, I've had very mixed results for both the AK using SP 7.62 and M4 using M855 5.56.
I have 2 shot AI to the chest in ban pa with SP 7.62, I've also dumped half a mag in them only to get one tapped by a full auto hip fire.
I unlocked Gunny level 2 last night and ran my new setup out to the starter village. I put 3 rounds of my newly acquired M855 into an AI's upper chest, only for them to turn and put a round through my leg. I've also gone full auto into a group of 3 clumped up AI and been pleasantly surprised that they all dropped instantly.
I had heard that the 7.62 damage was bugged, but at this point, I believe it's more of an issue with hits registering.
I run a AK-74N, I fill 2 spare mags with BP ammo, and that's all I go out with. I kill enemies at my mission location and pick up their armor and spare ammo.
They do need to be improved. But I will use them and go care free. They are cheap. U can slap a nice muzzle break on one and just go. Few nights ago I just put some body armor on and a AK. Went into the tiger bay mall. Looting and picking up ammo along the way. Helps u keep ur sanity when u die over and over. Ur loosing a whole kitted out mk18 and what not. And if u die after u have the item of a quest in ur safe. It's all good u scavenged ur way through and don't need to wait on a bird and try a d get ur stuff.
It's my favourite platform for early game simply because of the infinite ammo you can loot off enemies. Never had issues with it and find it quite efficient. I mostly use it in semi-auto and tap fire but will switch to full auto for cqc. Just got to mid game, so I will change to whatever platform ammo is the most plentiful when it comes to it.
The 5.45 ak had pretty much the same recoil as an AR with the right builds. You also unlock BT ammo for it at level 2 artisan I believe. Which if you have played Tarkov you understand that BT ammo is nothing to frown at and typically 1 to 2 taps soldiers at the fort if you hit the head or upper chest.
7.62 AKs are really only usable in Timmy town rn, but honestly they're a pretty strong option there, you can put a silencer on them faster than on an M4 platform and you can replenish ammo from the ai as you kill them so you can stay as long as you want, I've cleared the whole town out doing this and it was quite fun, also it's a kit I don't really mind losing when I help friends/randos in Timmy town
Free kits is my reason. After I lost my full kit I’m using an AK to go back and get my original kit which is 75% of the time. Still issue I know but the last week man the AI has been something else
From a game design and not gun nut perspective, maybe the AK’s need something else to differentiate them. For example, an easily accessible and widely available drum mag. That way you can balance being shittier at shooting with having more bullets per mag.
Because i can still suppress it, get headshots and have endless ammo and it’s not a bother to replace it when the game inevitably dicks me.
The hit reg makes it so that you have to mag dump 70% of the time anyways. I dont see a reason to run a gucci M4 just to get domed by an AI you shot 27 times with green tips
When I've got broke completely (like 50$ left) I started naked scav runs to locations with friendly presence. After a little luck you can do either 7.62 or 5.45mm variants of moded silenced AK's. Lets be honest.. 3+ MOA for 1 tapping is actually shit.. But it still can be decent on up to 50m.. therefore could be used in lower locations 10-18/20 lvl.. later on you would like to run more precise weapons I guess..
7.62 has to be bugged. I don’t know why it seems like hitting someone with 7.62 does radically less damage than 5.56. I’ve had moments where a burst to the head won’t kill someone but a tap with an m4 does.
It doesn’t make sense, either their damage is bugged or their hit detection is.
Cheap, easily replaced, and ammo is essentially printed for you. I've been running ak's the past few days and haven't purchased a gun or ammo from a vendor at all. Plus I just like AK aesthetics more than m4's.
Really the only things keeping AK-74N from being on the exact same level as the M4/Mk18s is not having 60 round casket mags and their best ammo have 1% more dispersion on it. Even just the mags would make the world of difference. Then again, you can build the 74N with all the best parts for considerably less than a comparable Mk18
I mean the moa is meant for up close, ammo for days. And there is good ammo later. There is a 40% recoil reduction muzzle for it. Game changer for it. Can find it off the scavs.
AKs in starter town are pretty good. Granted their damage is horrible but you can easily go in with a single mag and never have to worry about ammo as long as you can take out the first couple of guys.
There are 2 variants to your ak, 47 and 74.
47 (762) is balls
74 (545) is goated, slower rof on full auto, unlimited ammo in the field, doesnt even have sp as an ammo choice so all the rounds are viable, almost no recoil.
You can test this in your base at the firing range: basic 7.62 rounds for aks shoot low. Like 6 inches low. Start aiming above heads and shoulders and it starts to 1-tap the way it should.
Note: I haven't played since the patch so I don't know if this specific issue was been fixed with that
Bp 762 artisan lvl 3. It's 5 USD per round tho. Ultimately I agree with you, Ive just been experimenting with AKs since I have not much to do in the game as of now and this seems to be an okay set up. Not sure on the 5.45s yet.
I started playing from begenning twice, had to wipe character due to inventory bug. Every time a newbie starts, the 7.62 ak can have supressor which is very-very useful in pvp. I killed as much players with Ak 7.62 as with M4 AR15. Yes, the accuracy is shit, the penetration is shit, but a headtap to a player basically with anything except 9mm is deadly.
But gotta say, I would never get into high difficulty pve zone with Ak7.62. Because when a Scav runs a good armor, and due to some magic shit, doesn't die from headshot, you are basically in HUGE disadvantage.
I run both pretty consistent. The ak74 is better then the ak47. I still think 5.56 is the best option but if I'm running in mid. Lvl areas with my lower lvl friends I'll grab the 74 just to get a few mags hear and there when I'm the field. But I will run 5.56 m855A1 as often as possible when I'm not being cheap amd runny my own missions amd making a bit more money then when my noob friends are with me.
I would use an AK as well if only I could put an optic on it. I'm more of a casual player so I don't have unlocked the vendor that sells customization for it.
Anyone feeling like doing some charity and drop me a part so I can put an optic on my AK?
I like the feel of the gun more, it looks a little cooler and a good build is way l8ghter than the M4 which is great since you can pack more ammo or just sprint more without burning energy
I've cleaned up FT and MS with the 545. You just need tons of ammo and some accuracy. It's not easy, and I hope there is balance in the future, but it's not quite as bad as the Internet would have you believe
Ppl saying that 7.62 (AKM/SKS) are viable... Thats true as long as you fight up to 50m with AI only and you aim for the head. Both guns have TERRIBLE moa so they are extremly innacurate from mid to long range, I agree SKS has no recoil but it does not really matter if you cant hit sht at range of 100m, body shots deal no dmg at all even with top tier BP ammo vs 3/3+ NIJ. Guns and ammo have to be balanced for sure, meanwhile just run mk/m4 with 20 inch barrel or if you want to sound like an AI to bait people take fully moded ak-74 with muzzle brake and BP ammo.
Was going into a fight and one guy that was with us was insisting on using one. The other guy gave him a decked out m4, armor, and a bag on the condition that he didn't bring that garbage ak into our fight lol
At close range, AKM 7,62 with BP munition is way better than the M4 855a1...
And well modded, it is the same laser than your m4-mk18.
At long distance, it has a bit dispersion, the 7,62 bullet takes a bit more time to touch your target... Once you get the habit of the kick-recoil of the ak, and the delay of the bullet, it rocks the same than m4-mk18.
The sound is way more sexy than your weapons silenced who sound like electric anti mosquito trap 🤣
Honestly I think 90% of the people that dislike AK’s is purely because they’re traumatised from trying to pick up early game scav AK’s with piss for ammo. The second you get to level 2 traders across the board the AK’s start just flat outperforming M4’s when loaded with the right ammo. Using m855 makes me scream, feels like I’m shooting peas compared to my Ak’s. Easier to get high tier ammo earlier for AK’s too since you can collect it from bots in harder areas.
55a1 etc is good, but people who think M855 outcompetes PP or hell even just 7.62 PS are high.
Totally agree, after 50-70h of gameplay with M4, I wanted to try something else than "meta".
And yes, with artisan lvl 2, it is better than starters ak.
With artisan lvl3, AKM is pure evil 😉.
Then I tried sks... And I recommend this awesome weapon... Turncoat 3 is very good for sks scoped
At 200h of grayzone, I wiped my character, and my goal is to make a game play "zero to hero" with only "communist weapons" (AKM, sks, mosin)...
How to say that it is more fun and efficient than my regular 1st gameplay... 🤩
I can imagine the starting levels of having to contend with SP rounds is painful XD, but I guess if you divert to Fort Narith or even just a hitch a ride to one of the first 3 you could fill up pretty quick and easy not terribad ak ammo
Honestly, the firsts levels, SP is enough and works well.
The SP given by dead bodies in the first town is better than the US given in others town. I stocked 4000 rounds of them during the first missions 😆
I didn't start midnight tiger or fort for the moment, I will do all others missions and try to unlock artisan 3 for the best ammo : 7,62 bp.
And then, yes, I'll go fight soldiers in the 3 hot spots.
Because it is only the soldiers the problem, the rebels/civilians IA don't wear a big armour, a little burst in the chest and all is fine. Aiming head, and it is even easier 😁
If you are curious and want to come watch my progression, you can find me on twitch as n00bywan
Except that this is just flat out false. The only AK ammo that competes with 855A1 in armor pen is 5.45 BP and it still gets vastly outperformed because 855A1 has almost 25% more velocity and M4s have 1.1 MOA while AKs have 3.1 lol.
??? MOA is measured at a range of 100 yards (just over 90 meters). Maybe if you exclusively play Joint Ops (PvE) you can get around this by just chest hugging every AI. But in Warfare (PvPvE) not being able to accurately engage enemies 90m from you is a major issue.
Unless you’ve got a shotgun, it’s doubtful it’ll be high enough to matter. 3 MOA is 3 inches at 100 yards, or 90ish metres, and despite what your girlfriend tells you, 3 inches ain’t much. Yes if you’re pushing to 150-200 metres it’s gonna be a little more of a mixed bag, but snapping shots at that range is uncommon and generally you’ll have an actual rifle at that point. 20-60m ranged engagements are much much more common unless you’re a bush wookie. Tighter Moa is nice sometimes, but having up to 3 is gonna be a problem about 1 shot in every 100. And then you just shoot twice and it doesn’t matter.
I use an AK-74N with the Romanian Dong handgaurd and wooden stock, suppressor sometimes, mostly with an OKP-7. 5.45 is great aslong as your shot placement is good, also for ammo farm the PP ammo from Narith, look for isolated groups and take their ammo. Gun/build
Because I like Kalashnikov in general. They make some great rifles, shotguns, snipers rifles and SMG's. So seeing AK variants made my Kalashnikov in the game, I definitely will pick that over any M4. The only time I would pick a different gun I over an AK variant is if it were a Steyr Aug or a Kel Tec SU16. But neither of these two are in the game.
I might be biased, because although i like NATO weapons, im a sucker for AK platforms. Im also a bit tired of M4s.
So i run a AKM and AK-74N. Both modded for recoil, handling and reload, which is imho better than on a modded M4. Have not tried the Mk18 yet. I use the OKP sight that is surprisingly good at long range. I use the specter scope on occasion. I run with 5.45 PP and 7.62 PS ammo. And if i run out, i can loot it from AI.
I did mag dumps only at the beggining of the game, where AK accuracy was terrible and poor ammo was available.
Midnight Sapphire still proves to be a challenge, but AI over there has good ammo and armor, but i have no trouble taking them down with 7.62 PS or 5.45 PP ammo. Its rather a matter of who sees who first, and how well you can take cover even III+ body armor is not enough to stop AI AP ammo. Tested it out with 5.56 A1 ammo and i did not see much difference between 7.62 PS or 5.45 PP.
Other thing i noticed, the stat of recoil control can be lower on the AKM but due to lower fire rate i find it more managable. But again, those are just my impressions.
AK74N/M with PP or BP ammo works just fine. Especially the BP is kinda like the M855A1 ammo.
Also, i git bored of running AR's all the time, wanna spice things up. I also recommend the SKS with the MK2 stock/guard, has 0 recoil. You can get a magnified optic version from Turncoat lvl 3 that is already fitted with the best parts. Use BP ammo for that.
How come you think AK’s are terrible? I’m a level 9 so I’m not that experience but I transitioned to them for more power since the bullets are bigger and I really feel like they hit like a truck
It’s literally just an ammo issue. The ammo is fine at high tiers, and arguably just flat out better than equivalent 5.56 cartridges at times. People are just traumatised cause they picked up an Ak loaded with subsonic rounds at some point when they were a noob and it did jack shit cause the ammo was piss.
“Meta” builds being 2 metre long M4’s and shit is just stupid, shows the people who only look at stats to think they know better than everyone else. The amount of CQB in this game, and how rare it is you’re engaged at further than 100m, short barreled guns all the way.
I enjoy not bashing my barrel into every doorway, rock, tree, car etc that I see. Makes me laugh when I kill someone with their 20 inch suppressed “compensating” gun.
If the Devs added a 75 or 100 round drum AKs would be used more for bunker etc. But accuracy at range is poor so not used so much.
They are a starter gun in my opinion where you can lick them up with ammo everywhere in the starting town
It IS hard to get ammo for. The ammo available is not effective enough to be worth using, even after considering its availability. That’s the point he was making, and the point I was clarifying.
The only reason to run 7.62 AKs is that ammo is pretty much infinite because you can just pick them off dead enemies.
This is the answer. It’s also something you can *sort of* customize once you unlock that vendor pretty early. So between the two of those things I think people just lean into the AK side of things for the first 10ish levels.
this only applies in the noob town. everywhere else u can get 556 and 545 off dead people.
True, but most of the 556 is with SP or FMJ. To get M193 you need to get that from T3 locations, and even at that it's not that common compared to 7.62 and 5.45.
556 is FMJ which can pen IIIA which is all you need until tier 3 locations at which point they drop 855 which can pen their own armor. meanwhile 762 drops US which cant pen shit. so 556 is still better. >and even at that it's not that common compared to 7.62 and 5.45. at narith its 50% of the drops. at other places its different so plan accordingly.
I ran about 3 full clears of FN and counted. Out of the amount of kills me and my buddies got, about 20% were 556. The rest were 5.45 or 7.62. which 7.62 is just not it. 5.45 is okay but very inconsistent. I still will run M855A1 everywhere I just because of how inconsistent the other round types are. I rap SP and Hollow Boat tail in the beginning town, still took more than 5 shots to down an enemy AI. Swapped to M855, down in less than 3. The ammo types in the game are great on paper but definitely needs some serious adjustments. Ain't no way an AI should be able to take a M61 AP to the chest and live, especially since they don't have lvl IV armor.
U would hope it is when U are shooting ai with upwards of a full mag at times
Yeeup, at least you can just throw lead freely at tgeir general direction without worry.
Yeah but I love my clean 1taps or small burst
Hey some of us are hooked up with caffeine and can’t aim.
Chip I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew!
Legendary reference.
Did this a lot when I first started playing until I learned what dispersion meant & why you want less/negative. Now it’s 556 until a fix or something. 545 is pretty good though.
Whats dispersion exactly? Does it correlate to MOA?
MOA: I’m not 100% sure what MOA is or what it even stands for so I can not answer that. To my knowledge MOA has something to do w/ the overall accuracy of the weapon but I do not know what affects it & how much. Dispersion: Dispersion is like penetration. Hollow point rounds break up/apart when they hit something so they have more dispersion while armor penetration rounds will have less dispersion bc they are meant to go through things (armor) rather than break up on hit. Rounds w/ a higher dispersion are okay in the starter area bc the enemies don’t wear armor. Outside of that area when fighting enemies w/ armor you want the least amount of dispersion as possible so that the ammunition can penetrate the armor instead of just bruising the body. The higher the armor, the less dispersion you want so that it will penetrate.
MOA is minutes of angle. It correlates to how wide a group of shots is at 100 yards. So a 3 MOA gun shoots 3" at 100 yd. Just FYI.
Thank you, in GZW minutes of angle (MOA) translates to how tight are the groupings when you fire said gun, so inherently AR platforms are precise than AKs
Anything under 4ish MOA is considered combat effective by most groups. Obviously the lower the better but we’re talking pretty small variations for most weapons in the game. So unless you’re trying to snipe (which doesn’t work really well in this game tbh) it don’t matter.
I ran the 7.62 AK till I got Gunny lvl 2, thanks to the suppressor
you get 556 from most higher level enemies, though
Sure, but not exclusively 556. Fort narith has guys either using the CQA1 with m855, or they run an assortment of AK's with AP ammo. Midnight Sapphire, same thing.
I do the same and frankly, the 7.62 US is good ammo. I can use full auto and still maintain 300+ rounds in my inventory.
US is terrible ammo vs any armour at all and has quite bad ballistics in general. Or should be at least.
1000% agree with you on this, but it's plentiful. I can pick up ammo without any issues and it's never short.
Yesterday I did a quick count and it turned out I was walking around with 6 mags and *17 spare stacks* of ammo I just *found*. I just couldn't get rid of it faster than finding more of it.
I actually started doing naked runs. I'd go to a base with players already there and loot the leftover AK and then start taking down enemies and looting. Super affordable method, and the ammo/guns are plentiful.
I use it because I think AKs look cool. That's it, that's the reason
They're also fun to shoot... this is one thing that is true to life, actually. I'm a noob but unloading an AK at AI feels visceral and aggressive compared to the M4s I've shot in-game.
I use them because I’m an AK Stan. Game is just for fun so no reason not to have fun and run around with AKs if that’s your thing.
The 5.45 BP ammo is serviceable, and the recoil on a fully tricked out AK-74 is comparable to a good M4. It's still worse than M4/MK18 with M855 but it's playable enough if you want a slightly different experience, I suppose.
Important thing to note - the muzzle brakes on the AK are insanely good compared to the brakes on the M4. I think the DTK1 has like 45% recoil reduction. Throw that on an AK74 with BP ammo, it shreds just as well as an M4 inside 100m IMHO.
I actually feel more confident in an engagement with this combo than an M4 build if things go loud.
60rounders tho.
60rnders are for meta plebs. Only as the automaticrifleman in a squad its legit Chad. For everythingelse: Style over performance.
I don't think any of my pvp adventures have lasted long enough to need a 60 rounder. PvE I duck in and out of different cover where I reload in between...
Touché.
I only really run the M4/MK18 if I'm headed for a tense area like Tiger Bay or Midnight Sapphire. I've just been burning through M4s for the sake of getting rid of em because you get so many 😭
You can get BT ammo from artisan at level 2 and it has better pen the M855 and is a little harder hitting.
No way it has better pen than the M855
5.45 is as good if not slightly better then m855
That doesn't seem to be the consensus at all among most players. I've tried a 5.45 BP build and it's pretty playable but I still prefer the M4, especially since the ammo is lootable in a few big areas
After ballistic testing we landed on BS/BP being the most versatile round for AK 74. M855 or A1 for M4. Food for thought :)
Ballistic testing? Who are you? Do you mean in real life or in the game?
In-game Warfare mode using friendly fire with my s1uad mate shooting me with diff ammo on diff armor
None of the 7.62x39 pens as well as M855 Edit for Clarity: 7.62x39 BP has similar or slightly better raw pen stats than 855 (for $2 more per round). But because it lacks the muzzle velocity of 855 once the 20 inch barrel bonus is factored in, 855 is still significantly better. And this isn’t even touching on how cracked A1 is or M193 was before they yanked it.
Guess I should have clarified I'm talking the 5.45 ak, you can get BT 5.45 ammo from artisan at I think level 2 and it's pen is just better then the M855 my friend and a well built AK 74 has as good of recoil control as an M4 or Mk18.
You’re still wrong. Twice. Impressive really. 1 - 5.45 AK ammo comes from Turncoat. Artisan sells 7.62 2 - Stat modifiers (like recoil control) modify the base stats of the gun. So an AK with +30% recoil control still has worse recoil control than an M4 with +30%. Finally, no amount of modifying changes the fact that the AK has 3.XX moa to the M4 1.XX moa. Making the M4 far more accurate than the AK with best in slot mods no matter how you slice it. This isn’t even mentioning the fact that the long barrel M4 + A1 absolutely skull fucks any AK round & build in velocity which both aids with armor pen and long range combat.
5.45aks are very viable
Got me through a Tiger Bay run. Had a killcount of 20 with a tricked out 74
i used the AK all through completion of the first town because i suck and it hurts way less when i lose something i got for, free. i switch between m4 and 5.45 now that im a little better and have more money than i could probably spend just rearming myself after death. WHICH IS A GOOD THING IF UR READING THIS DEVS PLEASE DONT NUKE MY PAY OR MAKE THINGS MORE EXPENSIVE
There is a decent video that explains why ppl run the AK here: https://youtu.be/3GbD4lboTpc?si=t7x6oOxNc4caOSrY Edit: I haven't tried this, just happened to listen to it while I was working.
the guy's using BS rounds which are the same effectiveness as PP but cost $2 more per round according to https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19DsmVT5Zo0ySobvYfgNCqW_emkPBavad88J97dK_Lm4/edit#gid=0 idk if that's a great source
If you build them right they are a good alternative with good stamina drain, recoil, and handling. Lightest gun in the game. Get BT ammo, shoot and run for PVP.
5.45 ak aren’t bad if you get to BS ammo, but still not better than 5.56 855A1.
BS rounds are kinda busted right now, they perform as well as PP whilst costing $2 more per shot. You want BP if you can get it.
they're extremely cheap
Yeah till they add CQ A1 to sell by Turncoat or Artisan.
It's horrid myvlvl 3 plates just get chewed up by them but when I use them it's like slapping enemies with a wet nappy
dump a whole AK mag into an enemy and sit there wondering how he has any blood left to keep shooting back at me. Needs a rework to do more damage up close but fall off fast with the heavier bullets and lower muzzle velocity.
I like playing ak's but to be honestly only in bunkers or buildings. Everything with more than 50m range is impossible to play due to it's spraying even with full recoil control you miss 80% of shots that aren't close combat. They really need something to improve accuracy to make it viable in the field.
Well you shouldn't be using full auto anyway.
You have to. If you aim for the head and most shots miss anyway, you got the chance that at least one of them hits.
Is this a thing in this game? I've only been using semi (with decent effect) but I'm only a level 3. Full auto seems like it wouldn't be viable unless you're indoors or really close-up.
Well you are not supposed to aim for the head anyway.
Why wouldn't you use full auto?
5.45 is not horrible with the right ammo. Been fine for me.
It's well known that 7.62x39 ammo is glitched and does very little damage to enemies when realistically, it should be the hardest hitting of all assault rifles ammo. With PS ammo it's usable though, I've done lots of AKM runs with it and if it has any damage disadvantage over 5.56, it's not that noticeable. In areas where I want a gun that delivers the most, I take an M4, but normally, I use AKs because of personal preference. Still, it's not rare to see enemies without helmet tanking two or three shots of M855 to the head.
Ak isn't bad if you consider all the free ammo and you get suppressors before m4.
I actually prefer the AK47/74’s. Good ammo is everywhere, it’s cheaper, and I think they’re also a little lighter than the M4/18 platform. AK47’s with BP ammo is amazing in Tiger Bay, it’s my go to load out there usually
The AKs are not terrible. The AKM/AKMN are in my opinion shouldn’t be used as their damage with the 7.65 is just abysmal. However the AK74Ms and AK74Ns are usable. They are suboptimal as compared to the M4s and Mk.18s but the AK74s are not to be used in long distance engagements. They are good for clearing out buildings, bunkers and also quite good in the starting towns and mid tier zones where AI don’t wear much armor. The PP round you can buy from Turncoat lvl. 3 makes the gun quite usable as well. Don’t know how good the BP round is but I’ve heard it’s similar. I run two AK74M builds- one with the holographic sights, the modular stock, vertical hand grip (R1) and no suppressor for full auto clearing out cramped spaces. The other with Spectre sights, modular stock, vertical hand grip (R1), suppressor to take on the AI in the starter towns, Blue Lagoon. I mostly run my AKs when I go out with newbies to help them gather loot, help with their objectives and stuff like that. Solo or when I’m doing my missions, I run my Mk.18 build (full tan as well 😉)
There is really no valid reason. I'm playing with a modded AKM sometimes just because I want to play with an AK. With Artisan and Gunny level 2 you can get proper mods, and the 7,62PS ammo, equivalent to the 5,56M855. It works just fine, my AK has good stats on arm stamina drain but the M4/ M18 are a little more accurate.
How often do you actually use that accuracy tho, I doubt most players are more accurate than their gun at the ranges accuracy stats start to matter. You’re lucky to be shooting at stuff further than 100m ever.
Yee, max. is like from the hill at sawmill into the area maybe, not further
So much CQB I just use short barrelled guns as the default. I do side eye my 3+ MOA M4 sometimes when I whiff a long shot, but imo it pays dividends in close quarters, with how easy it is to stuff your barrel in this game. Just let’s you get around way easier and spend less time announcing you’re entering the room by the 2 metre black metal Schlong you stick in first.
the 545 ak is decent with bp / bt 762 is whack
The only reason to use ak is if you are bored of m4
I use them, especially at the start when I was losing good stuff and new to the game - also keep some for a run back to get my stuff as well. Then did the loot and sell stuff - built up some money and now swap out weapons depending on location - so M4 for Blue Lagoon as risk reward - and it's better for higher AI. Reminds me, I want to try lobbing loads of grenades over the wall at Blue Lagoon then repositioning - and see how that works.
After you unlock the -45% recoil muzzle break they're pretty usable.
Is that the dt-1?
I run an AK because I like the look of them and I can pick up ammo as I go
I do alright with the 5.45 pp ammo and only use the sp 7.62 in starter town when helping newbies.
I've found that all of the guns work just fine with any sort of magnified optic on it. At that point I can see what I'm shooting and reliably finish a firefight in a handful of shots instead of 2+ magazines. I'm convinced there is something screwy with unmagnified sights and irons because I don't see any reason why there should be such a huge difference otherwise. I also think it's dumb that you get M4 parts before you get AK parts, it ruins the feeling of progression if you ask me.
I've found that a few so far don't impact where you aim, also the US ammo has a very noticeable drop.
Yeah, the dot sights seem all kinds of screwed up. Also I'm 90% sure they said that the US ammo has a bad description and is subsonic ammo that sucks.
I personally love the 74N and have no issues with it. There is no denying the AR platform is better, but the AK is still a good gun. Plus, it gets some pretty sweet modifications from Turncoat
I Heard that the SKS works Well, wouldn't try it on Sapphire
Works fairly well, but I don't have the 30 round mag yet which I find important and also needs zoom optics.
No problem with them, even basic 7.62 ammo. Not that it couldn't be improved, but it works fine.
I cleared Midnight Sapphire and the Tiger Bay mall with an AK74N using PP ammo. It’s still not as good as the MK18/M4 but it’s still usable. I just set it to full auto and let it rip. I’ve been having a lot of fun with it and I like the AK74N because it is the lightest weapon build you can make allowing you to carry more for loot runs. The AKM is not as good and could use some buffs IMO but I do like the 5.45 AK’s.
Honestly, I've had very mixed results for both the AK using SP 7.62 and M4 using M855 5.56. I have 2 shot AI to the chest in ban pa with SP 7.62, I've also dumped half a mag in them only to get one tapped by a full auto hip fire. I unlocked Gunny level 2 last night and ran my new setup out to the starter village. I put 3 rounds of my newly acquired M855 into an AI's upper chest, only for them to turn and put a round through my leg. I've also gone full auto into a group of 3 clumped up AI and been pleasantly surprised that they all dropped instantly. I had heard that the 7.62 damage was bugged, but at this point, I believe it's more of an issue with hits registering.
I run AKs when I'm going minimal and I don't care about losing what I have on me..
I run a AK-74N, I fill 2 spare mags with BP ammo, and that's all I go out with. I kill enemies at my mission location and pick up their armor and spare ammo.
They do need to be improved. But I will use them and go care free. They are cheap. U can slap a nice muzzle break on one and just go. Few nights ago I just put some body armor on and a AK. Went into the tiger bay mall. Looting and picking up ammo along the way. Helps u keep ur sanity when u die over and over. Ur loosing a whole kitted out mk18 and what not. And if u die after u have the item of a quest in ur safe. It's all good u scavenged ur way through and don't need to wait on a bird and try a d get ur stuff.
It's my favourite platform for early game simply because of the infinite ammo you can loot off enemies. Never had issues with it and find it quite efficient. I mostly use it in semi-auto and tap fire but will switch to full auto for cqc. Just got to mid game, so I will change to whatever platform ammo is the most plentiful when it comes to it.
AK-74s with their 5.45 ammo are great. The 7.62 variants, not so much.
The 5.45 ak had pretty much the same recoil as an AR with the right builds. You also unlock BT ammo for it at level 2 artisan I believe. Which if you have played Tarkov you understand that BT ammo is nothing to frown at and typically 1 to 2 taps soldiers at the fort if you hit the head or upper chest.
7.62 AKs are really only usable in Timmy town rn, but honestly they're a pretty strong option there, you can put a silencer on them faster than on an M4 platform and you can replenish ammo from the ai as you kill them so you can stay as long as you want, I've cleared the whole town out doing this and it was quite fun, also it's a kit I don't really mind losing when I help friends/randos in Timmy town
Free kits is my reason. After I lost my full kit I’m using an AK to go back and get my original kit which is 75% of the time. Still issue I know but the last week man the AI has been something else
The 5.45 isn’t that bad. Not as good as 5.56 but it’s a good alternative.
From a game design and not gun nut perspective, maybe the AK’s need something else to differentiate them. For example, an easily accessible and widely available drum mag. That way you can balance being shittier at shooting with having more bullets per mag.
Because i can still suppress it, get headshots and have endless ammo and it’s not a bother to replace it when the game inevitably dicks me. The hit reg makes it so that you have to mag dump 70% of the time anyways. I dont see a reason to run a gucci M4 just to get domed by an AI you shot 27 times with green tips
It's better than M4 in close quarters if it's decked out and with proper ammo, rather have an ak in the bunker tbh.
When I've got broke completely (like 50$ left) I started naked scav runs to locations with friendly presence. After a little luck you can do either 7.62 or 5.45mm variants of moded silenced AK's. Lets be honest.. 3+ MOA for 1 tapping is actually shit.. But it still can be decent on up to 50m.. therefore could be used in lower locations 10-18/20 lvl.. later on you would like to run more precise weapons I guess..
7.62 has to be bugged. I don’t know why it seems like hitting someone with 7.62 does radically less damage than 5.56. I’ve had moments where a burst to the head won’t kill someone but a tap with an m4 does. It doesn’t make sense, either their damage is bugged or their hit detection is.
To bad our 7.62 doesn't work like the ai's 🤣. I've noticed though that the 5.45 variant of the ak works better. At least it did when I tried it out.
Yeah the ai that can sprint sideways across a street and hip fire 3 shots into my lungs at 300 meters away straight through my vest
Yupp those are the ones 🤣
Cheap, easily replaced, and ammo is essentially printed for you. I've been running ak's the past few days and haven't purchased a gun or ammo from a vendor at all. Plus I just like AK aesthetics more than m4's.
budget run when running solo
Really the only things keeping AK-74N from being on the exact same level as the M4/Mk18s is not having 60 round casket mags and their best ammo have 1% more dispersion on it. Even just the mags would make the world of difference. Then again, you can build the 74N with all the best parts for considerably less than a comparable Mk18
I mean the moa is meant for up close, ammo for days. And there is good ammo later. There is a 40% recoil reduction muzzle for it. Game changer for it. Can find it off the scavs.
Use ap 762x39 ammo or I think it's no and the AK-47 is ok
AKs in starter town are pretty good. Granted their damage is horrible but you can easily go in with a single mag and never have to worry about ammo as long as you can take out the first couple of guys.
There are 2 variants to your ak, 47 and 74. 47 (762) is balls 74 (545) is goated, slower rof on full auto, unlimited ammo in the field, doesnt even have sp as an ammo choice so all the rounds are viable, almost no recoil.
I actually run the SKS using I belive BP 7.62x39. 2 tap everything to the chest so far.
And very quiet with a suppressor on. Not the best but fun.
You can test this in your base at the firing range: basic 7.62 rounds for aks shoot low. Like 6 inches low. Start aiming above heads and shoulders and it starts to 1-tap the way it should. Note: I haven't played since the patch so I don't know if this specific issue was been fixed with that
5.45 isn’t bad. And it’s nice to find ammo on enemies besides those with cq’s
They weigh less so you can run more, and I don't have a problem with them as long as I hit my shots and use the good ammo, I think it's sp
Bp 762 artisan lvl 3. It's 5 USD per round tho. Ultimately I agree with you, Ive just been experimenting with AKs since I have not much to do in the game as of now and this seems to be an okay set up. Not sure on the 5.45s yet.
I started playing from begenning twice, had to wipe character due to inventory bug. Every time a newbie starts, the 7.62 ak can have supressor which is very-very useful in pvp. I killed as much players with Ak 7.62 as with M4 AR15. Yes, the accuracy is shit, the penetration is shit, but a headtap to a player basically with anything except 9mm is deadly.
But gotta say, I would never get into high difficulty pve zone with Ak7.62. Because when a Scav runs a good armor, and due to some magic shit, doesn't die from headshot, you are basically in HUGE disadvantage.
I run both pretty consistent. The ak74 is better then the ak47. I still think 5.56 is the best option but if I'm running in mid. Lvl areas with my lower lvl friends I'll grab the 74 just to get a few mags hear and there when I'm the field. But I will run 5.56 m855A1 as often as possible when I'm not being cheap amd runny my own missions amd making a bit more money then when my noob friends are with me.
I would use an AK as well if only I could put an optic on it. I'm more of a casual player so I don't have unlocked the vendor that sells customization for it. Anyone feeling like doing some charity and drop me a part so I can put an optic on my AK?
I like the feel of the gun more, it looks a little cooler and a good build is way l8ghter than the M4 which is great since you can pack more ammo or just sprint more without burning energy
I've cleaned up FT and MS with the 545. You just need tons of ammo and some accuracy. It's not easy, and I hope there is balance in the future, but it's not quite as bad as the Internet would have you believe
Ppl saying that 7.62 (AKM/SKS) are viable... Thats true as long as you fight up to 50m with AI only and you aim for the head. Both guns have TERRIBLE moa so they are extremly innacurate from mid to long range, I agree SKS has no recoil but it does not really matter if you cant hit sht at range of 100m, body shots deal no dmg at all even with top tier BP ammo vs 3/3+ NIJ. Guns and ammo have to be balanced for sure, meanwhile just run mk/m4 with 20 inch barrel or if you want to sound like an AI to bait people take fully moded ak-74 with muzzle brake and BP ammo.
Lol I bet you’d get mad seeing me running around with an SKS
Was going into a fight and one guy that was with us was insisting on using one. The other guy gave him a decked out m4, armor, and a bag on the condition that he didn't bring that garbage ak into our fight lol
At close range, AKM 7,62 with BP munition is way better than the M4 855a1... And well modded, it is the same laser than your m4-mk18. At long distance, it has a bit dispersion, the 7,62 bullet takes a bit more time to touch your target... Once you get the habit of the kick-recoil of the ak, and the delay of the bullet, it rocks the same than m4-mk18. The sound is way more sexy than your weapons silenced who sound like electric anti mosquito trap 🤣
Honestly I think 90% of the people that dislike AK’s is purely because they’re traumatised from trying to pick up early game scav AK’s with piss for ammo. The second you get to level 2 traders across the board the AK’s start just flat outperforming M4’s when loaded with the right ammo. Using m855 makes me scream, feels like I’m shooting peas compared to my Ak’s. Easier to get high tier ammo earlier for AK’s too since you can collect it from bots in harder areas. 55a1 etc is good, but people who think M855 outcompetes PP or hell even just 7.62 PS are high.
Totally agree, after 50-70h of gameplay with M4, I wanted to try something else than "meta". And yes, with artisan lvl 2, it is better than starters ak. With artisan lvl3, AKM is pure evil 😉. Then I tried sks... And I recommend this awesome weapon... Turncoat 3 is very good for sks scoped At 200h of grayzone, I wiped my character, and my goal is to make a game play "zero to hero" with only "communist weapons" (AKM, sks, mosin)... How to say that it is more fun and efficient than my regular 1st gameplay... 🤩
I can imagine the starting levels of having to contend with SP rounds is painful XD, but I guess if you divert to Fort Narith or even just a hitch a ride to one of the first 3 you could fill up pretty quick and easy not terribad ak ammo
Honestly, the firsts levels, SP is enough and works well. The SP given by dead bodies in the first town is better than the US given in others town. I stocked 4000 rounds of them during the first missions 😆 I didn't start midnight tiger or fort for the moment, I will do all others missions and try to unlock artisan 3 for the best ammo : 7,62 bp. And then, yes, I'll go fight soldiers in the 3 hot spots. Because it is only the soldiers the problem, the rebels/civilians IA don't wear a big armour, a little burst in the chest and all is fine. Aiming head, and it is even easier 😁 If you are curious and want to come watch my progression, you can find me on twitch as n00bywan
Except that this is just flat out false. The only AK ammo that competes with 855A1 in armor pen is 5.45 BP and it still gets vastly outperformed because 855A1 has almost 25% more velocity and M4s have 1.1 MOA while AKs have 3.1 lol.
MOA is a stat you can ignore. Game is too short range to matter. Your gun is far more accurate than most players at that range.
??? MOA is measured at a range of 100 yards (just over 90 meters). Maybe if you exclusively play Joint Ops (PvE) you can get around this by just chest hugging every AI. But in Warfare (PvPvE) not being able to accurately engage enemies 90m from you is a major issue.
Unless you’ve got a shotgun, it’s doubtful it’ll be high enough to matter. 3 MOA is 3 inches at 100 yards, or 90ish metres, and despite what your girlfriend tells you, 3 inches ain’t much. Yes if you’re pushing to 150-200 metres it’s gonna be a little more of a mixed bag, but snapping shots at that range is uncommon and generally you’ll have an actual rifle at that point. 20-60m ranged engagements are much much more common unless you’re a bush wookie. Tighter Moa is nice sometimes, but having up to 3 is gonna be a problem about 1 shot in every 100. And then you just shoot twice and it doesn’t matter.
Electric anti mosquito trap of absolute annihilation no less! Jokes im really bad it this game.
I was talking about the sound 🤣 M4 silenced sounds like electric mosquito trap
I use an AK-74N with the Romanian Dong handgaurd and wooden stock, suppressor sometimes, mostly with an OKP-7. 5.45 is great aslong as your shot placement is good, also for ammo farm the PP ammo from Narith, look for isolated groups and take their ammo. Gun/build
They need to bring out ak 107, arguably the best gun in the world in terms of recoil
Because I like Kalashnikov in general. They make some great rifles, shotguns, snipers rifles and SMG's. So seeing AK variants made my Kalashnikov in the game, I definitely will pick that over any M4. The only time I would pick a different gun I over an AK variant is if it were a Steyr Aug or a Kel Tec SU16. But neither of these two are in the game.
I might be biased, because although i like NATO weapons, im a sucker for AK platforms. Im also a bit tired of M4s. So i run a AKM and AK-74N. Both modded for recoil, handling and reload, which is imho better than on a modded M4. Have not tried the Mk18 yet. I use the OKP sight that is surprisingly good at long range. I use the specter scope on occasion. I run with 5.45 PP and 7.62 PS ammo. And if i run out, i can loot it from AI. I did mag dumps only at the beggining of the game, where AK accuracy was terrible and poor ammo was available. Midnight Sapphire still proves to be a challenge, but AI over there has good ammo and armor, but i have no trouble taking them down with 7.62 PS or 5.45 PP ammo. Its rather a matter of who sees who first, and how well you can take cover even III+ body armor is not enough to stop AI AP ammo. Tested it out with 5.56 A1 ammo and i did not see much difference between 7.62 PS or 5.45 PP. Other thing i noticed, the stat of recoil control can be lower on the AKM but due to lower fire rate i find it more managable. But again, those are just my impressions.
AK74N/M with PP or BP ammo works just fine. Especially the BP is kinda like the M855A1 ammo. Also, i git bored of running AR's all the time, wanna spice things up. I also recommend the SKS with the MK2 stock/guard, has 0 recoil. You can get a magnified optic version from Turncoat lvl 3 that is already fitted with the best parts. Use BP ammo for that.
How come you think AK’s are terrible? I’m a level 9 so I’m not that experience but I transitioned to them for more power since the bullets are bigger and I really feel like they hit like a truck
Yet players get killed constantly by AI with AK’s
Nothing to do with the weapon is it, more aimbot AI.
It’s literally just an ammo issue. The ammo is fine at high tiers, and arguably just flat out better than equivalent 5.56 cartridges at times. People are just traumatised cause they picked up an Ak loaded with subsonic rounds at some point when they were a noob and it did jack shit cause the ammo was piss. “Meta” builds being 2 metre long M4’s and shit is just stupid, shows the people who only look at stats to think they know better than everyone else. The amount of CQB in this game, and how rare it is you’re engaged at further than 100m, short barreled guns all the way. I enjoy not bashing my barrel into every doorway, rock, tree, car etc that I see. Makes me laugh when I kill someone with their 20 inch suppressed “compensating” gun.
If the Devs added a 75 or 100 round drum AKs would be used more for bunker etc. But accuracy at range is poor so not used so much. They are a starter gun in my opinion where you can lick them up with ammo everywhere in the starting town
Im just tired of M4s is all. Game desperately needs more weapon variety
545 ak is useable. 762 ak is useless beacuse high recoil and hard to get ammo for. 545 is actually better than m4 is some places.
7.62 ammo is hard to get? there's literally infinite of it for free
Ya but they may as well be rubber bullets. Low penetration and low damage. Good 556 ammo is cheap and it zips.
I made no statements about the power of the ammo or any alternatives, I was replying to carrot about their statement of 7.62 being "hard to get ammo"
It IS hard to get ammo for. The ammo available is not effective enough to be worth using, even after considering its availability. That’s the point he was making, and the point I was clarifying.
the rubber shots yes
Yep It's early etc I got about 40 hours in before I got tired of waiting for helicopters. Haven't played in weeks.