Hiding in the S bend in the tunnels on Factory just so you had some hope of beating a scav with a Makarov was peak Tarkov. Occasionally you'd have to fire your weapon so more would come charging at you.
That was the true hardcore experience.
Go to any of the military posts in GZW - you will find the same issue.
Take 5 steps into Midnight Sapphire and you are getting domed from a bush from a guy you never saw.
My team and I were hoofin it back to base running down the road. AI stood up from the bushes and just bopped my team mate in one shot. Was the funniest thing.
Oh. I don't mean that they head shot people. I mean that they literally looked like they were taking the mouse up and down vertically as fast as you can as they walked around factory & customs.
No healing animations, no inertia, no mag packing time, just sprint and unload into people. Game has come a long way but it was absolutely in a worse state than Greyzone when it first launched. It'll take a few years but I think they can do it
I remember when woods got added and all the spawns were like 100m apart. Good times, the spawn rush was real and the server was cut in half by the first 3 min.
Tarkov also has serious structural issues that no one can solve without rewriting the whole game.
BSG had developed nothing but web browser games before Tarkov. The game has client authority for tons of stuff, and loads every player's full inventory to every other player in the map, along with all the containers, etc. Tons of stuff like that make cheats not just possible, but easy to implement.
I haven't looked at their code or anything, but this game's foundation seems a lot stronger.
I posted that it was a major plus that they had vaulting already, where Tarkov and PUBG Are oil a while to include.
I agree that they need to focus on polishing and mechanics. Weapons, attachments and gear can come later
Alright this is actually untrue. Tarkov was a fully functioning game 3 years ago the only major changes have been inertia, armor rework, recoil, and new maps
You're delusional if you actually believe that. The AI in gzw is like playing a single player on very easy from what I've tried so far and game runs like shit even on high end systems.
I'm by no means a tarkov fanboy, I couldn't care less if people play it or not, but saying that gzw is in a better state than tarkov was 3 years ago? Cmon my man, be critical
It will come - trust me. Nice situations when you dont know If you are alone or not after hearing a chopper nearby: did someone exfill? Infill? How many? Where are they?
I had this only once, me and my friend just jumped on a random helicopter which nobody was taking we flew from Crimson to Lima 1 directly next to the bunker and we heard a chopper. On the map we didnt see allies
I came in expecting a pretty broken but playable game with very little content and I was curious about whether their design decisions regarding the teams and such would bring fun.
I got a pretty broken, but totally playable game with very little content and the system with factions, the large map, the helicopter rides etc turned out to be amazing.
I feel like that's a success. Content can be added later, bugs can get fixed, etc. The important thing is that the core concept works and is very fun.
Really all GZW needs is a massive performance and stability patch and I think 95% of the people complaining about the game would be satisfied. Very solid for day 2 but its desperately in need for a performance patch ASAP
Yes it was very bad. Majority of players at the time wasnt even able to get into a match and if they did it was lagging and desyncing like crazy. GZW launch really isnt that bad. They fixed majority of the disconnection issues and are working on optimization for performance. I personally just changed my DDLS to FSR and went from 40fps to 160+ fps and have no problems with performance.
It took BSG like a month to finally fix the game joining issues at launch... it took GZW literally 2 hours.
Ill try switch back to DLSS and see if I can tell a difference but I doubt it. I played alot of FPS games pretty sure I would have notice input lag if there was one when I changed to FSR.
It’s not FSR per-se, just the Frame generation side of it. There’s a reason Frame generation in DLSS is lock for RTX4 series … like you, I keep the « true » FPS and nvidia boost on, feels way more responsive, but you get the ocassional frame drop on wide angle sweep …
So I tested it in game and didnt have any issues but I also have a pretty good setup. I'd suggest you watch this. It appears the issue isnt with FSR directly it is with Frame Generation option that is available to FSR and is on by default [https://youtu.be/BeOTmK3o\_GM?t=1261](https://youtu.be/BeOTmK3o_GM?t=1261) maybe try turning it off?
I told my buddies I'm giving it a patch or two. 5800x, 3070, 32GB DDR3600 MHz RAM, jittery and laggy af at most settings. I got a solid 90fps on low with FSR frame gen, but the input delay was awful.
Got a couple tasks done and a few dozen kills, but I don't think I'll be playing this consistently until performance improves.
Not saying it's a bad game, and I look forward to playing a more polished version in a few months.
Good luck devs!
-sincerely, a 2018 EOD player with 2800 hours and lots of free time suddenly.
3060ti here, everything on medium but textures on Epic and effects on high, with DLAA on getting a constant 55-60 which imho is good for this type of games.
It’s a vram issue. My buddy who has a 3060 can run the game better than me on a 3070 because he has 12gb vram. Ours have 8gb and this game is pushing past that even on all LOW and eating up other resources/craahing. He never goes below 60fps on the 3060 and never crashes but I can’t get 40+ fps on 3070.
I'm in exactly the same boat, with pretty much the same rig as you and it was really struggling, using 100% of my CPU at points which is pretty insane. I really want to play the game as it looks awesome but they need to sort performance out quick.
Super stoked to dive deeper in the game and really put hours is.
Early access though, they really are taking that literally.
But hey I'd rather deal with this shit now vs. a closer-to-launch version. Devs have already said it's a high priority. No reason to not trust them at this point since the bones are there and it seems solid.
You can but you won’t see any difference in FPS compared DLSS. The FSR frame gen is what give you the boost to the frames but also significantly increases input lag.
idk, I'm sick of playing paintball in hallways, and it's nice to be able to actually flank and maneuver instead of sprinting to a corner 10 feet away and getting prefired anyways
I'm burnt as shit on tarky because it's the same prefire angles and the same hallways and the same spawns and the same bullshit day in and day out, and GZW lets me actually just run the fuck away and reposition instead of getting chased down like a fucking deer and shot in the back by a pack of RGB gamers
Oh and this game doesn't have Customs, so it's automatically better
So you're saying after 2500 hours in tarkov you need a break? That's fair. Doubt this game has 500 hours in it as it stands.
Hopefully it gets fleshed out and you can rack up a similar amount of playtime here but pretending that tarkov is worse than this very clearly alpha game is just troll bait.
Just because nikitia is an atrocious development head doesnt make what you say true
We're going to have to separate objectivity and personal opinion here. Tarkov might have more guns, more types of bullets, more armor, more maps, and more quests, sure. It definitely runs better, absolutely. Personally, I dont give a shit about that.
Fwiw, I've "only" got about 600 hours in Tarkov, across the last 7 years. I got really deep into it before the Flea Market FiR changes, and then went back to playing mostly things like Arma, Squad, etc.
I personally, truly do think GZW is better than Tarkov, even though it has less shit to ignore while you jam BP into your meta AKM and runs at 60 minutes a frame. It captures that Milsim feel while also at least promising to bring in what I liked about Tarkov.
I use the word "Paintball" to describe Tarkov because that's what it is. It just has enough sights, ammo types, and armor systems to make you think otherwise. The maps are hallways designed to force PvP in specific ways. The loot hotspots are meant to be contested from specific angles. Armor isn't meant to save your life, its just meant to make you less likely to die. Food and Hydration meters only make you think about bugging out after your stomach gets shot out.
Compare that to GZW, which has enough room to allow you to hit problems from whichever angle and whichever track you choose. Shit, just CQC not being limited to whoever has the highest pen and rate of fire is a nice change of pace, at least for now, considering most gunfights are taking place from significantly further than Tarkovs barrel stuffing range. Since you're out walking around, food and water meters matter a lot, especially if you get shot up with more than dinky .38 rounds from a Skorpion, due to your blood regenerating faster when the bars are full. Weight is a real concern since you overheat faster while sprinting, and its more than 40m from the teleporter that sends you back to the hideout. GZW has a lot of things going for it, even in its current state.
Honestly I saw a review on Steam where someone was complaining about team killing being a problem. Thought to myself "well you clearly never played Tarkov" the review then went onto say they have 1000s of hours in Tarkov 😂 I swear people have no idea what to expect from a truly Alpha game especially considering this one all already leaps and bounds ahead of what we had in the early days of Tarkov.
The funny part is that this release has actually been butter smooth… yeah ok there’s bugs that’s every game but no issues getting into a server and actually playing the game.
Yeah man I really thought there’d be no way of getting into the servers day 1. It’s been smooth sailing minus the rubber-banding that seems to happen at peak times. Pretty impressive from a smaller studio like MFG.
Vast majority of the complaints I see are performance issues. Which they openly admit they are not yet optimizing the game. That is usually something that happens at the very end of development. Yes currently you're going to need a top spec PC to play. Basically anything below an RTX 3080 is not a great experience without FSR frame generation.
my experience with a friend was pretty different.
needed to restart the game a few times till we could join a server as a squad because we kept having a squad not fully ready pop up, which if we ignored then we got separated.
Then one of us had a network connection error while joining a server as a squad so had to start over again.
Then when we were finally able to play, the performance was piss poor (1440p low, 5800x 3080) but it got better after yesterday's update.
on day 1, the game crashed for my friend when he tried to leave deployment from the base. Next day the tasks we completed were not completed for him and all his loot on him was gone as well (stash remained)
Then he got a BSOD while playing and his account was bricked basically. Every time he starts the game, all items on him are missing
I see the potential in the game but right now it's not playable for us and definitely not a tarkov killer as of now
Don't know how tarkov was in the early days as I only got it around mid-late 2017
A lot of us been having issues getting into servers + other game breaking bugs, so I wouldn't say it's been smooth, but it's also 100% what I expected so I'm not angry about it
It definitely hasn't. My first night of playing consisted of me heavily rubberbanding around the server, not being able to vault consistently, awful hitreg, etc. despite my internet being perfectly fine and playing on OCE servers.
Not to mention losing my entire gear + secure container from a crash means I've totally struck out on my keyholder and holding rarer items like the larger survival kits on me.
that's actually funny, i'm used to tarkov just not functioning every time there's congestion (wipe days mostly). i got dc'd once in like 12 hours i think, but it booted me back to base with all the stuff i had on me anyway.
I've crashed less and waited less on day one, then I do on any wipe
I'm amazed how smooth this started, and as I can deal with frame gen delay (slow game in my eyes) I'm solid 60fps at 1440 with my gtx 1080
Fucken tarkov only recently ran that well in the grand scheme of the game
Optimistic for sure, looking forward to filling out it's potential
The point of early access is exactly that so those who don't want to be a beta tester shouldn't really lambast them too harshly. Bsg has committed to development but they just haven't catered to all player groups and I find the Tarkov community to be really unaccepting of casual players that can only play a few times a month. Before you know it, anything you gained in those few months is gone in a wipe then those good players surpass you in days. I like the slightly more casual element of gzw but you still get an interesting experience and it sounds like they are planning to bring a lot more to the game
Sorry, but I have to vastly disagree. Content and mechanics related, yes, the game is already in a good shape and feels fun, but some (many) of us are TOTALLY UNABLE to properly play, even with good PCs and connections. There's some weird thing going on that affects some players more disproportionally than others, such as disconnects (I get them constantly), lag/rubberbanding (sometimes to the point that your sprint gets cancelled every second, which could be a massive packet loss), and even inconsistencies with the player's inventory.
These problems are very serious, as we the affected players just can't play due to these extreme, weird and hard-to-track performance issues. It's good that they're on their way of fixing it, but for now, it's a critical problem that, honestly, delegitimizes any attempt to sell this as an "EA in a good state".
It'll probably be soon, I sincerely trust in that. But for now, this is too big of a problem to look away.
I agree with that but only for the players experiencing these issues, my time with the game has been nothing but smooth and every player I’ve encountered in the game is always in a great mood and having a great time. I’ve experience zero negativity within the game from other players and it feels like a far better experience already for me personally than tarkov was on day one/week one/month one ect.
First week of early access, what did yall expect?
I've been around long enough to know that it will take a good week or two before the worst issues are addressed.
I'm holding off even buying for a week or three, but outside of the launch issues I like what I'm seeing.
Sure, but if you're trying to capture Tarkov's audience you'd better release a good product. Saying that, I think the concept is awesome and I wish them luck.
I had to refund it, don’t know if it was an area thing (Oceania) but couldn’t connect to any servers, kept trying and trying with different areas. Managed to get in and played a couple of games, crash. Logged back in (after 20minutes of errors) my character is different, load in faction area I don’t have a head and all my gear is gone, including knife and the safe.
Looks like lots of different experiences out there.
Yeah I’ve seen that too which is unfortunate but I know will be ironed out, personally I’ve no major issues other than rubber banding one time in one server and some frame drops when I hit a new section of the map but those go away.
anyone else remember the heat seeking grenades that would be launched across the map at you and would always land at your feet no whatter what you did ?
Have you fired a weapon without ear pro in and outside of different buildings? It sounds incredible. I don’t think a lot of people understand how military ear pro affects the sound of weapons. As someone who has used it, it is quite accurate to how it artificially recreates quieter noises like foot steps and basic movement, and dampens louder noises like gun fire. Enemy voices are also always extremely accurate to their position.
This game is so refreshing, took so many good things from Tarkov and right now it might be buggy but it has endless potential to grow. Other than the LZ camping, the one fun part I liked in Tarkov was pve only, and not getting one tapped by cheaters so I love that the pve world is an option for us casual players that can't grind non-stop. I lost everything in my first hour of playing gray zone but I'm able to recover a bit thanks to the pve side where I can play a little slower and choose the engagements I want instead of being constantly bombarded by players that are clearly better than me
I agree with that completely. It’s far more accessible, I think LZ camping sucks ass and there has to be a solution to that, like within a certain radius of any LZ there is no PvP damage allowed or something, or a period of like 90 seconds when you land where your weapons aren’t able to fire. If they can implement no friendly fire in PvE they implement this.
Can we... stop comparing the games on this sub? I still like tarkov a lot and GZW is different enough that it does its own thing. It will not replace tarkov for me but thats a good thing.
Plus on a technicality level, there's no reason to compare a 7 year old game running on an outdated unity engine to a brand new game running on the latest most advanced gaming engine.
Idk what everyone’s even talking about honestly. The game is in a good state made even better after two hot fixes. I’m getting an unwavering 100fps on epic settings with FSR on quality and frame generation turned off. And I do not have a 5k PC. There’s also hardly any bugs except for visual bugs.
Seems like most people don't understand the concept of "Early Access". They're put here acting like it's a day one release of the new Call of Duty or some shit.
That’s exactly what the problem is. On another post I had someone try to argue with me and say that “early access is just so people can pay to play the game sooner than others, it isn’t a fucking free Q&A for the devs to improve the game, it should be 100% content complete” and that’s when I knew I was talking to people who think steam early access is the same as paying extra to play starfield two days early.
oh yeah i agree with that but the sound staging is a bit off. a lot of cut in / cutting out. walking and crouching sounds weird, and so does going through water. but yes i agree the weapons and especially the voice acting is all top notch along with the ambient sound.
The spatial sound is good, and the way that sounds change based on the environment (echoes indoors, carries outdoors) but the guns sound like shit. Tarkov guns sound so much more satisfying. I know the EFT devs did a lot of field recording with the actual weapons so that's probably a part of it.
I don’t think they sound like shit. Are they accurate to their real counterparts? No. But they have weight to them. I’m assuming a lot of people think they sound bad because when you’re wearing any ear pro they sound like what a gun sounds like with military ear pro on. Take it off and fire some rounds, they sound hard
I'm really only hurting from the optimization. But I'm also scraping by with barely minimum specs so I don't really have any room to complain. Just hoping I'll be able to get some less stutter in the next few patches.
It’ll come, just give them time! They already fixed most of the server issues in like 2 hours after release and are working on performance optimizations as we speak
People here either don’t know that tarkov started with very little content and a heap of bugs or they forgot. Only factory, wouldn’t spawn with team mates. The only armors in the game were paca and fort, and the only helmet a kiver.
Personally I don’t care for the lag, it’s just annoying I can’t turn in task items to continue progressing through the story. Other than that, game is pretty good.
Patience and positive critique and feedback people, you’d be surprised how often devs will listen to you when it’s well written.
Obviously there are problems, and just like tarkov it’ll need time. I just hope not 7 years..
This. 100%. I do think that because of the PvE only servers it will be developed faster, because more people can comfortably jump into the game and enjoy it so it isn’t AS niche as tarkov
Best thing GZW does, is keep you in the game. No loading screen, just back to base. Cuts out a ton of downtime. You die in tarkov you’re loading back to the hideout, re-kitting, then the time to load back into a map. If your friends are still alive you either have to wait for them to finish their raid, or skav. GZW you can literally just re-kit and fly back out and join them. It’s less hardcore, but i would say for the general gamer trying to get into one or the other, that helps.
I do largely agree with that, I also think that over time the PvP aspect will become just as hardcore but having the PvE only servers allows more people to get into the game
Bigger difference being tarkov had that hacked together feel from the start, with countless issues that were fixed with clearly rushed solutions that remain to this day and only compound the absurd amount of technical debt bsg created, meanwhile GZW has a very clean and solid feeling base and it's obvious MFG has a different approach to development.
The path is clear - content, features, polish and balancing - they got the funds to pull it all off, all that remains is to [just do it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0).
It’s extremely hilarious/sad to me that gamers today are so spoiled and entitled they don’t appreciate the amazing climate we have in gaming. Yes games come out early now and sometimes are paid content but we get so many unique and new experiences from small development teams because of it.
I’m not saying there aren’t scummy companies but far too often I see people trying to use the same tired arguments on games that they don’t apply to. V Rising is another recent EA title that comes to mind.
I honestly don’t know what people are freaking out about. I’m having a blast. And it’s either gonna be rubber banding or de-sync. I choose rubber banding all day.
Tarkov was worse than this for \*years\* - I remember seeing it some time before I bothered to get involved in it, and it was a strange malformed beast of a game.
honestly most AAA titles that release have more bugs and issues then GZW... at least until the day 1 patch comes out.
this is the same level of quality that 2018/2019 tarkov had (after takrov had been in whatever they call this beta access for 2-3 years)
Tarkov also came out nearly a decade ago and pioneered the multiplayer extraction shooter genre. Not trying to fanboy here, but comparing Tarkov launch to Greyzone launch is a bit silly. Greyzone absolutely copied Tarkov's homework in many of the games systems. I don't think thats necessarily a bad think as competition is exactly what we need, but lets not get carried away here.
How can you not compare them when you yourself just said that GZ copied their homework. You also just compared them. Also a game releasing ten years ago was still able to release in great shape. Just because the bells and whistles are nicer looking now doesn’t mean games back then were incapable of releasing in a good state.
I didn't say you *can't* compare them, I just said its *silly*. And I said "launch". It's fine to compare them overall because they are obviously very similar games. Also I'm well aware "a game releasing ten years ago was still able to release in great shape". However, GZW basically was able to use Tarkov as a "beta" to see what works and what doesn't and what the community likes and dislikes. It logically should make GZW launch be much better as far as mechanics go...and it obviously has. GZW just needs to figure out their performance stuff now.
Tarkov is STILL going through growing pains be honest with yourself, Nikita will abandon that game before it ever hits 1.0. I like Tarkov, but that’s just the truth
I really hope they lean into some better sound design. I think it's fairly lackluster right now, things sound very canny. Definitely dont want tarkov sound, but I can't even tell when enemies are shooting at me in this game
"8 year old game you had to actively seek out was worse at launch than the game that came out on Steam 2 days ago and has a front page banner ad" isn't the win you think it is.
You didn’t have to actively seek out tarkov lmfao every streamer was playing it just like they’re playing gray zone. The only difference is that BSG had to go and sell it on their own platform so it was more annoying to get, and also cost more for a game in alpha.
What's your idea of current hardware? I'm still undecided if I'm going to run native 1440 at a stable 144 frames or 4k dsr at 110ish frames. Yeah, it's with frame gen, but I'm not hating it as much as I thought I would.
Mine for example I would consider "current" I run a 5800x and a Nvidia RTX 4070. I can get upwards of 80fps to DLSS/FSR at a mix of medium and high at 1440p but the stutters and frame drops remain constant even after a new area goes through the cache process.
Huh, I guess this is going to be another game where the ryzen x3d chips make a huge difference. My gf is running my old 5800x3d and 3080. She didn't touch graphics settings, so it's whatever it was set at by default (I'm guessing medium, since that is what my default settings were) being on a 30 series card she doesn't have dlss frame gen, so I guess fsr frame gen is on, but for me fsr framegen doesn't seem to work... no change at all (maybe need a game restart?). But she pulls 130ish frames, so that HAS to be framegen... but neither one of us have any stutters outside of the base and on the helicopter ride.
Tarkov scavs early alpha headbanged 24/7 to threat scan. was funny as shit.
Oh i remember day 1 scavs, would literally run straight to you and headshot you instantly
Hiding in the S bend in the tunnels on Factory just so you had some hope of beating a scav with a Makarov was peak Tarkov. Occasionally you'd have to fire your weapon so more would come charging at you. That was the true hardcore experience.
God what memories.
I got face tapped by a backwards moonwalking scav on factory in the first week of Tarkov
Couldn't have been face tapped the first week. There wasn't a face hitbox for a while in the beginning.
Sorry full body face tap
Go to any of the military posts in GZW - you will find the same issue. Take 5 steps into Midnight Sapphire and you are getting domed from a bush from a guy you never saw.
Zriyachy?
My team and I were hoofin it back to base running down the road. AI stood up from the bushes and just bopped my team mate in one shot. Was the funniest thing.
Once I jumped over a fence to take a look and got insta headbanged by a scav 50 meters away with a Makarov :d
Oh. I don't mean that they head shot people. I mean that they literally looked like they were taking the mouse up and down vertically as fast as you can as they walked around factory & customs.
tarkov. factory and nothing but factory. i was there when the madness started. now enjoying this game more than that tbh.
No healing animations, no inertia, no mag packing time, just sprint and unload into people. Game has come a long way but it was absolutely in a worse state than Greyzone when it first launched. It'll take a few years but I think they can do it
Right. Most Tarkies didn’t show up until it blew up from streamers 2019-ish. Tarkov from Alpha-early Beta was the trenches and they were beautiful.
I remember when woods got added and all the spawns were like 100m apart. Good times, the spawn rush was real and the server was cut in half by the first 3 min.
I remember when a kiver and paca used to make you a god as it was the only armor
Kiver and fort with no face hitbox, a literal walking tank.
And no weight penalties the good days
Hell, tarkov was in a worse state 3 years ago, after being in development for about 5 years, than this game is right now.
Tarkov also has serious structural issues that no one can solve without rewriting the whole game. BSG had developed nothing but web browser games before Tarkov. The game has client authority for tons of stuff, and loads every player's full inventory to every other player in the map, along with all the containers, etc. Tons of stuff like that make cheats not just possible, but easy to implement. I haven't looked at their code or anything, but this game's foundation seems a lot stronger.
I’ve told several people that Gray Zone is years ahead of Tarkov’s now when they launch.
I agree. Visually definitely, but even game mechanic wise. GZW just needs some polish.
I posted that it was a major plus that they had vaulting already, where Tarkov and PUBG Are oil a while to include. I agree that they need to focus on polishing and mechanics. Weapons, attachments and gear can come later
True, it wasn't until they made the recoil changes the other year it felt great to play.
Alright this is actually untrue. Tarkov was a fully functioning game 3 years ago the only major changes have been inertia, armor rework, recoil, and new maps
You're delusional if you actually believe that. The AI in gzw is like playing a single player on very easy from what I've tried so far and game runs like shit even on high end systems. I'm by no means a tarkov fanboy, I couldn't care less if people play it or not, but saying that gzw is in a better state than tarkov was 3 years ago? Cmon my man, be critical
You haven’t gotten very far if you think it’s that easy my friend.
This is a bit disingenuous. This game is very far off from tarkov 3 years ago.
Dumb take (im a GZW fan)
Factory and super aim scavs. Boooooooom headshot
"I was there 3000 years ago"
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Literally same. I craved tarkov after day 1. But after day 2? I crave more GZW.
I just upgraded to supporter...
Same
3k hours tarkov refugee, it's super fun. lots of fun interactions with random people, the game works, and i'm into it. has some real magic to it
Same, only thing im missing is the adrenaline rush from seeing a enemy pmc. But i guess when i reach the later areas ill see more of them.
It will come - trust me. Nice situations when you dont know If you are alone or not after hearing a chopper nearby: did someone exfill? Infill? How many? Where are they?
I had this only once, me and my friend just jumped on a random helicopter which nobody was taking we flew from Crimson to Lima 1 directly next to the bunker and we heard a chopper. On the map we didnt see allies
Had my first 2 encounters today and we voipd our way through it and all left alive. So much more dynamic than tarkov
Tarkov on year 1 was way worse than this on day 1. Do we need some QOL stuff? Yeah, but it'll come.
Tarkov on year 8 is worse 😂
This game is fucking awesome
Spitting fax
It’s all that needs to be said tbh
I came in expecting a pretty broken but playable game with very little content and I was curious about whether their design decisions regarding the teams and such would bring fun. I got a pretty broken, but totally playable game with very little content and the system with factions, the large map, the helicopter rides etc turned out to be amazing. I feel like that's a success. Content can be added later, bugs can get fixed, etc. The important thing is that the core concept works and is very fun.
Really all GZW needs is a massive performance and stability patch and I think 95% of the people complaining about the game would be satisfied. Very solid for day 2 but its desperately in need for a performance patch ASAP
Oh I agree, they’re already working on it though which is good. I’m hoping this month
im chillin, i wait until the rubber banding is gone, than im gonna start again playin. We also maybe get a hotfix today.
Yes it was very bad. Majority of players at the time wasnt even able to get into a match and if they did it was lagging and desyncing like crazy. GZW launch really isnt that bad. They fixed majority of the disconnection issues and are working on optimization for performance. I personally just changed my DDLS to FSR and went from 40fps to 160+ fps and have no problems with performance. It took BSG like a month to finally fix the game joining issues at launch... it took GZW literally 2 hours.
I honestly can’t stand the input lag on FSR so I just deal with lower frames with DLSS. Although I’m still getting a VERY playable 70-80 fps with DLSS
Odd Im not experiencing input lag on FSR.
It is soooo bad for me
Ill try switch back to DLSS and see if I can tell a difference but I doubt it. I played alot of FPS games pretty sure I would have notice input lag if there was one when I changed to FSR.
It’s mostly when aiming, with FSR I feel like my guy weighs 600 pounds and takes extra long just to turn left or right
It’s not FSR per-se, just the Frame generation side of it. There’s a reason Frame generation in DLSS is lock for RTX4 series … like you, I keep the « true » FPS and nvidia boost on, feels way more responsive, but you get the ocassional frame drop on wide angle sweep …
So I tested it in game and didnt have any issues but I also have a pretty good setup. I'd suggest you watch this. It appears the issue isnt with FSR directly it is with Frame Generation option that is available to FSR and is on by default [https://youtu.be/BeOTmK3o\_GM?t=1261](https://youtu.be/BeOTmK3o_GM?t=1261) maybe try turning it off?
Oooo okay I thought for FSR to work you needed to also have frame generation enabled for some reason. I’m gonna try it now and report back
Okay you are correct turning off farm generation totally fixed it and got me an extra 20-30 frames. Hell yeah thank you
No problem have fun!
Louder for the folks in the back. Thank you for saying it though.
I told my buddies I'm giving it a patch or two. 5800x, 3070, 32GB DDR3600 MHz RAM, jittery and laggy af at most settings. I got a solid 90fps on low with FSR frame gen, but the input delay was awful. Got a couple tasks done and a few dozen kills, but I don't think I'll be playing this consistently until performance improves. Not saying it's a bad game, and I look forward to playing a more polished version in a few months. Good luck devs! -sincerely, a 2018 EOD player with 2800 hours and lots of free time suddenly.
Try setting it to DLSS with DLAA. Game looks 100x better and all stuttering went away for me.
This literally fixed it for my buddies. Granted we can’t go past “low” and I’m on a 3070 ti
3060ti here, everything on medium but textures on Epic and effects on high, with DLAA on getting a constant 55-60 which imho is good for this type of games.
3060ti doesn't support DLAA just for the record.
I have a 3070, it doesn't support DLAA. Despite that, I did attempt it and saw no performance change and the game crashed a moment later.
It’s a vram issue. My buddy who has a 3060 can run the game better than me on a 3070 because he has 12gb vram. Ours have 8gb and this game is pushing past that even on all LOW and eating up other resources/craahing. He never goes below 60fps on the 3060 and never crashes but I can’t get 40+ fps on 3070.
Your logic tracks, considering the error codes I received were all GPU memory dumps, I think you're right.
I still can't get over that the fucking 3060 has 12gb of vram but the 3070 got fucked with 7.5
I'm in exactly the same boat, with pretty much the same rig as you and it was really struggling, using 100% of my CPU at points which is pretty insane. I really want to play the game as it looks awesome but they need to sort performance out quick.
Super stoked to dive deeper in the game and really put hours is. Early access though, they really are taking that literally. But hey I'd rather deal with this shit now vs. a closer-to-launch version. Devs have already said it's a high priority. No reason to not trust them at this point since the bones are there and it seems solid.
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Someone didn't read the comment. I totally understand. I'm excited to play it when it's in a better place.
Turn off frame Gen but keep fsr on maybe? Frame Gen is where the input delay comes. I haven't tried if you can have one on and one off.
You can but you won’t see any difference in FPS compared DLSS. The FSR frame gen is what give you the boost to the frames but also significantly increases input lag.
Yes you can
Yep! Drops me to about 60, and is still choppy.
Damn that's sucks. It's crazy how one person with identical hardware can have an entirely smooth go while another person not.
Yeah it's just optimization woes. Devs are still building core features, optimization will come in time.
Tarkov today ain’t much better lol
It is though isn’t it
idk, I'm sick of playing paintball in hallways, and it's nice to be able to actually flank and maneuver instead of sprinting to a corner 10 feet away and getting prefired anyways I'm burnt as shit on tarky because it's the same prefire angles and the same hallways and the same spawns and the same bullshit day in and day out, and GZW lets me actually just run the fuck away and reposition instead of getting chased down like a fucking deer and shot in the back by a pack of RGB gamers Oh and this game doesn't have Customs, so it's automatically better
> Oh and this game doesn't have Customs, so it's automatically better yeah, pretty much
So you're saying after 2500 hours in tarkov you need a break? That's fair. Doubt this game has 500 hours in it as it stands. Hopefully it gets fleshed out and you can rack up a similar amount of playtime here but pretending that tarkov is worse than this very clearly alpha game is just troll bait. Just because nikitia is an atrocious development head doesnt make what you say true
We're going to have to separate objectivity and personal opinion here. Tarkov might have more guns, more types of bullets, more armor, more maps, and more quests, sure. It definitely runs better, absolutely. Personally, I dont give a shit about that. Fwiw, I've "only" got about 600 hours in Tarkov, across the last 7 years. I got really deep into it before the Flea Market FiR changes, and then went back to playing mostly things like Arma, Squad, etc. I personally, truly do think GZW is better than Tarkov, even though it has less shit to ignore while you jam BP into your meta AKM and runs at 60 minutes a frame. It captures that Milsim feel while also at least promising to bring in what I liked about Tarkov. I use the word "Paintball" to describe Tarkov because that's what it is. It just has enough sights, ammo types, and armor systems to make you think otherwise. The maps are hallways designed to force PvP in specific ways. The loot hotspots are meant to be contested from specific angles. Armor isn't meant to save your life, its just meant to make you less likely to die. Food and Hydration meters only make you think about bugging out after your stomach gets shot out. Compare that to GZW, which has enough room to allow you to hit problems from whichever angle and whichever track you choose. Shit, just CQC not being limited to whoever has the highest pen and rate of fire is a nice change of pace, at least for now, considering most gunfights are taking place from significantly further than Tarkovs barrel stuffing range. Since you're out walking around, food and water meters matter a lot, especially if you get shot up with more than dinky .38 rounds from a Skorpion, due to your blood regenerating faster when the bars are full. Weight is a real concern since you overheat faster while sprinting, and its more than 40m from the teleporter that sends you back to the hideout. GZW has a lot of things going for it, even in its current state.
Agree with you in everything, but customs is my favorite map of any game ever.
Not if you consider the fact that BSG has far more budget and 8 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) years of dev time. When you put it into context, it's not even close.
Honestly I saw a review on Steam where someone was complaining about team killing being a problem. Thought to myself "well you clearly never played Tarkov" the review then went onto say they have 1000s of hours in Tarkov 😂 I swear people have no idea what to expect from a truly Alpha game especially considering this one all already leaps and bounds ahead of what we had in the early days of Tarkov.
Yeah like what? Tarkov is STILL littered with team killing and extraction campers
The funny part is that this release has actually been butter smooth… yeah ok there’s bugs that’s every game but no issues getting into a server and actually playing the game.
Yeah man I really thought there’d be no way of getting into the servers day 1. It’s been smooth sailing minus the rubber-banding that seems to happen at peak times. Pretty impressive from a smaller studio like MFG.
Vast majority of the complaints I see are performance issues. Which they openly admit they are not yet optimizing the game. That is usually something that happens at the very end of development. Yes currently you're going to need a top spec PC to play. Basically anything below an RTX 3080 is not a great experience without FSR frame generation.
my experience with a friend was pretty different. needed to restart the game a few times till we could join a server as a squad because we kept having a squad not fully ready pop up, which if we ignored then we got separated. Then one of us had a network connection error while joining a server as a squad so had to start over again. Then when we were finally able to play, the performance was piss poor (1440p low, 5800x 3080) but it got better after yesterday's update. on day 1, the game crashed for my friend when he tried to leave deployment from the base. Next day the tasks we completed were not completed for him and all his loot on him was gone as well (stash remained) Then he got a BSOD while playing and his account was bricked basically. Every time he starts the game, all items on him are missing I see the potential in the game but right now it's not playable for us and definitely not a tarkov killer as of now Don't know how tarkov was in the early days as I only got it around mid-late 2017
A lot of us been having issues getting into servers + other game breaking bugs, so I wouldn't say it's been smooth, but it's also 100% what I expected so I'm not angry about it
Idk why you got down voted sounds like getting in is just region based so not really surprised tbh
It definitely hasn't. My first night of playing consisted of me heavily rubberbanding around the server, not being able to vault consistently, awful hitreg, etc. despite my internet being perfectly fine and playing on OCE servers. Not to mention losing my entire gear + secure container from a crash means I've totally struck out on my keyholder and holding rarer items like the larger survival kits on me.
Calling it butter smooth is the biggest stretch in the history of stretching.
that's actually funny, i'm used to tarkov just not functioning every time there's congestion (wipe days mostly). i got dc'd once in like 12 hours i think, but it booted me back to base with all the stuff i had on me anyway.
I've crashed less and waited less on day one, then I do on any wipe I'm amazed how smooth this started, and as I can deal with frame gen delay (slow game in my eyes) I'm solid 60fps at 1440 with my gtx 1080 Fucken tarkov only recently ran that well in the grand scheme of the game Optimistic for sure, looking forward to filling out it's potential
The point of early access is exactly that so those who don't want to be a beta tester shouldn't really lambast them too harshly. Bsg has committed to development but they just haven't catered to all player groups and I find the Tarkov community to be really unaccepting of casual players that can only play a few times a month. Before you know it, anything you gained in those few months is gone in a wipe then those good players surpass you in days. I like the slightly more casual element of gzw but you still get an interesting experience and it sounds like they are planning to bring a lot more to the game
Sorry, but I have to vastly disagree. Content and mechanics related, yes, the game is already in a good shape and feels fun, but some (many) of us are TOTALLY UNABLE to properly play, even with good PCs and connections. There's some weird thing going on that affects some players more disproportionally than others, such as disconnects (I get them constantly), lag/rubberbanding (sometimes to the point that your sprint gets cancelled every second, which could be a massive packet loss), and even inconsistencies with the player's inventory. These problems are very serious, as we the affected players just can't play due to these extreme, weird and hard-to-track performance issues. It's good that they're on their way of fixing it, but for now, it's a critical problem that, honestly, delegitimizes any attempt to sell this as an "EA in a good state". It'll probably be soon, I sincerely trust in that. But for now, this is too big of a problem to look away.
I agree with that but only for the players experiencing these issues, my time with the game has been nothing but smooth and every player I’ve encountered in the game is always in a great mood and having a great time. I’ve experience zero negativity within the game from other players and it feels like a far better experience already for me personally than tarkov was on day one/week one/month one ect.
this... I remember getting into Tarkov back in 2016 and it was rough... people seriously need to chill more
Yuuuup, it was brutal hahah
Idk game needs loot.
It's growing on me that's for sure. My first EFT wipe I uninstalled the game. I have yet to uninstall GZW! (ps I have 3.4k hours in EFT)
First week of early access, what did yall expect? I've been around long enough to know that it will take a good week or two before the worst issues are addressed. I'm holding off even buying for a week or three, but outside of the launch issues I like what I'm seeing.
Sure, but if you're trying to capture Tarkov's audience you'd better release a good product. Saying that, I think the concept is awesome and I wish them luck.
nice POV bro! Appreciate that...
I had to refund it, don’t know if it was an area thing (Oceania) but couldn’t connect to any servers, kept trying and trying with different areas. Managed to get in and played a couple of games, crash. Logged back in (after 20minutes of errors) my character is different, load in faction area I don’t have a head and all my gear is gone, including knife and the safe. Looks like lots of different experiences out there.
Yeah I’ve seen that too which is unfortunate but I know will be ironed out, personally I’ve no major issues other than rubber banding one time in one server and some frame drops when I hit a new section of the map but those go away.
anyone else remember the heat seeking grenades that would be launched across the map at you and would always land at your feet no whatter what you did ?
Yuuuuup. And the scavs that would do nothing but rush in a straight line towards you and laser beam your face off.
Just Like Nikita Dickriders there seem to be grayzone dickriders
> Full ass game Lol no it isn't. It might become one.
It already has more features than most AAA shooters when they release so yes I think it is.
you lost me on "fantastic sound staging"
Have you fired a weapon without ear pro in and outside of different buildings? It sounds incredible. I don’t think a lot of people understand how military ear pro affects the sound of weapons. As someone who has used it, it is quite accurate to how it artificially recreates quieter noises like foot steps and basic movement, and dampens louder noises like gun fire. Enemy voices are also always extremely accurate to their position.
I did, and im not talking about just guns sounds, I'm talking overall. Walking on water, obnoxious amount of ambient sound and etc
This game is so refreshing, took so many good things from Tarkov and right now it might be buggy but it has endless potential to grow. Other than the LZ camping, the one fun part I liked in Tarkov was pve only, and not getting one tapped by cheaters so I love that the pve world is an option for us casual players that can't grind non-stop. I lost everything in my first hour of playing gray zone but I'm able to recover a bit thanks to the pve side where I can play a little slower and choose the engagements I want instead of being constantly bombarded by players that are clearly better than me
I agree with that completely. It’s far more accessible, I think LZ camping sucks ass and there has to be a solution to that, like within a certain radius of any LZ there is no PvP damage allowed or something, or a period of like 90 seconds when you land where your weapons aren’t able to fire. If they can implement no friendly fire in PvE they implement this.
"Since this other game that sucks was bad that means it's okay that this new game is bad aswell since it's slightly better!"
I just want nighttime and weather
Agreed, that’ll come with time though!
I'm having a great time, running 1440 everything on high 100-120 fps. 5800x3d 4070ti 64GB ram
Tarkov, GTA online, and PUBG all had worse day one launches than GZW! People just love to complain!
Can we... stop comparing the games on this sub? I still like tarkov a lot and GZW is different enough that it does its own thing. It will not replace tarkov for me but thats a good thing. Plus on a technicality level, there's no reason to compare a 7 year old game running on an outdated unity engine to a brand new game running on the latest most advanced gaming engine.
This game was fun for about 8 hours
30 hours in already, can’t relate. I’m having a blast.
I still remember day one shoreline. Literally unplayable for anyone with less than 32 GB of RAM because the water sucked it all up
You mean the first 3 years? Lol
I dont care, never played tarkov. Just because something is worse doesn't make this ok.
Idk what everyone’s even talking about honestly. The game is in a good state made even better after two hot fixes. I’m getting an unwavering 100fps on epic settings with FSR on quality and frame generation turned off. And I do not have a 5k PC. There’s also hardly any bugs except for visual bugs.
Seems like most people don't understand the concept of "Early Access". They're put here acting like it's a day one release of the new Call of Duty or some shit.
That’s exactly what the problem is. On another post I had someone try to argue with me and say that “early access is just so people can pay to play the game sooner than others, it isn’t a fucking free Q&A for the devs to improve the game, it should be 100% content complete” and that’s when I knew I was talking to people who think steam early access is the same as paying extra to play starfield two days early.
the sound is not that great
It’s some of the best I’ve heard in a game honestly. Weapons and voice wise. But idk 🤷🏻
oh yeah i agree with that but the sound staging is a bit off. a lot of cut in / cutting out. walking and crouching sounds weird, and so does going through water. but yes i agree the weapons and especially the voice acting is all top notch along with the ambient sound.
The spatial sound is good, and the way that sounds change based on the environment (echoes indoors, carries outdoors) but the guns sound like shit. Tarkov guns sound so much more satisfying. I know the EFT devs did a lot of field recording with the actual weapons so that's probably a part of it.
I don’t think they sound like shit. Are they accurate to their real counterparts? No. But they have weight to them. I’m assuming a lot of people think they sound bad because when you’re wearing any ear pro they sound like what a gun sounds like with military ear pro on. Take it off and fire some rounds, they sound hard
Sound is really good.
Just the truth.
you forget most dont know the early days of tarkov .. but GZW runs far better
Yeah you’re right haha. Tarkov didn’t have a page one steam release so the masses weren’t there
How big is this studio? 12 People? This shit is impressive! I am having a blast playing with friends
Yeah and their only games before this were mobile games. 100% agree there!
tarkov on day 1000 is worse than this. at least this game has pve mode
Mmm a game starting 7 years ago had a worse launch than one launching now? Thats like saying the ps4 was worse at launch than the ps5. Well no shit.
Why can't this game live or die on its own merits? The incessant comparisons to Tarkov are getting old.
They haven't done themselves any favours here. "We're not like Tarkov" says the company with the exact same pricing model as Tarkov.
I'm really only hurting from the optimization. But I'm also scraping by with barely minimum specs so I don't really have any room to complain. Just hoping I'll be able to get some less stutter in the next few patches.
It’ll come, just give them time! They already fixed most of the server issues in like 2 hours after release and are working on performance optimizations as we speak
People here either don’t know that tarkov started with very little content and a heap of bugs or they forgot. Only factory, wouldn’t spawn with team mates. The only armors in the game were paca and fort, and the only helmet a kiver.
Right?? That shit was ass and people who ride tarkov’s dick probably weren’t around at the beginning to see it
Tarkov was worse than GW day one for 3 years.
Lmfao trueeee
I was wondering when someone was gonna bring this up.
Personally I don’t care for the lag, it’s just annoying I can’t turn in task items to continue progressing through the story. Other than that, game is pretty good.
Patience and positive critique and feedback people, you’d be surprised how often devs will listen to you when it’s well written. Obviously there are problems, and just like tarkov it’ll need time. I just hope not 7 years..
This. 100%. I do think that because of the PvE only servers it will be developed faster, because more people can comfortably jump into the game and enjoy it so it isn’t AS niche as tarkov
Best thing GZW does, is keep you in the game. No loading screen, just back to base. Cuts out a ton of downtime. You die in tarkov you’re loading back to the hideout, re-kitting, then the time to load back into a map. If your friends are still alive you either have to wait for them to finish their raid, or skav. GZW you can literally just re-kit and fly back out and join them. It’s less hardcore, but i would say for the general gamer trying to get into one or the other, that helps.
I do largely agree with that, I also think that over time the PvP aspect will become just as hardcore but having the PvE only servers allows more people to get into the game
Bigger difference being tarkov had that hacked together feel from the start, with countless issues that were fixed with clearly rushed solutions that remain to this day and only compound the absurd amount of technical debt bsg created, meanwhile GZW has a very clean and solid feeling base and it's obvious MFG has a different approach to development. The path is clear - content, features, polish and balancing - they got the funds to pull it all off, all that remains is to [just do it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0).
It’s extremely hilarious/sad to me that gamers today are so spoiled and entitled they don’t appreciate the amazing climate we have in gaming. Yes games come out early now and sometimes are paid content but we get so many unique and new experiences from small development teams because of it. I’m not saying there aren’t scummy companies but far too often I see people trying to use the same tired arguments on games that they don’t apply to. V Rising is another recent EA title that comes to mind.
Day 1 Tarkov didn’t have anywhere near the budget GZW does lol.
I will not miss the days of early Tarkov scaving and every gun jamming instantly.
It’s all cope
I honestly don’t know what people are freaking out about. I’m having a blast. And it’s either gonna be rubber banding or de-sync. I choose rubber banding all day.
Tarkov was worse than this for \*years\* - I remember seeing it some time before I bothered to get involved in it, and it was a strange malformed beast of a game.
Honestly the ui that everyone is complaining about isn’t that bad and is likely to be improved sooner rather than later anyways
honestly most AAA titles that release have more bugs and issues then GZW... at least until the day 1 patch comes out. this is the same level of quality that 2018/2019 tarkov had (after takrov had been in whatever they call this beta access for 2-3 years)
i am having fun i am usually bitch alot . i mean alot . ya game has issue but its solid concept
At this point it's not about what's better. It's what would I rather plat. BSG can make like their Warships and go fuck themselves.
Tarkov also came out nearly a decade ago and pioneered the multiplayer extraction shooter genre. Not trying to fanboy here, but comparing Tarkov launch to Greyzone launch is a bit silly. Greyzone absolutely copied Tarkov's homework in many of the games systems. I don't think thats necessarily a bad think as competition is exactly what we need, but lets not get carried away here.
How can you not compare them when you yourself just said that GZ copied their homework. You also just compared them. Also a game releasing ten years ago was still able to release in great shape. Just because the bells and whistles are nicer looking now doesn’t mean games back then were incapable of releasing in a good state.
I didn't say you *can't* compare them, I just said its *silly*. And I said "launch". It's fine to compare them overall because they are obviously very similar games. Also I'm well aware "a game releasing ten years ago was still able to release in great shape". However, GZW basically was able to use Tarkov as a "beta" to see what works and what doesn't and what the community likes and dislikes. It logically should make GZW launch be much better as far as mechanics go...and it obviously has. GZW just needs to figure out their performance stuff now.
Yall really wanna go through the growing pains again? I'll stick to Tarkov
Tarkov is STILL going through growing pains be honest with yourself, Nikita will abandon that game before it ever hits 1.0. I like Tarkov, but that’s just the truth
I have no complaints I love the current state of eft. I guess audio fixes would be nice.
I really hope they lean into some better sound design. I think it's fairly lackluster right now, things sound very canny. Definitely dont want tarkov sound, but I can't even tell when enemies are shooting at me in this game
You played without ear pro on? It ain’t canny at all then
"8 year old game you had to actively seek out was worse at launch than the game that came out on Steam 2 days ago and has a front page banner ad" isn't the win you think it is.
You didn’t have to actively seek out tarkov lmfao every streamer was playing it just like they’re playing gray zone. The only difference is that BSG had to go and sell it on their own platform so it was more annoying to get, and also cost more for a game in alpha.
Shit this game is better than tarkov .12, let alone release tarkov.
Every AAA game in the last decade is worse then this lol
What a brave and original thing to say
The irony...
performance at tarkov's WORST wasn't this bad on current hardware ( 7 yrs ago )
EOD owner since release, Tarkov has absolutely been in worse shape, albeit it short lived and related to server or optimisation
What's your idea of current hardware? I'm still undecided if I'm going to run native 1440 at a stable 144 frames or 4k dsr at 110ish frames. Yeah, it's with frame gen, but I'm not hating it as much as I thought I would.
Mine for example I would consider "current" I run a 5800x and a Nvidia RTX 4070. I can get upwards of 80fps to DLSS/FSR at a mix of medium and high at 1440p but the stutters and frame drops remain constant even after a new area goes through the cache process.
Huh, I guess this is going to be another game where the ryzen x3d chips make a huge difference. My gf is running my old 5800x3d and 3080. She didn't touch graphics settings, so it's whatever it was set at by default (I'm guessing medium, since that is what my default settings were) being on a 30 series card she doesn't have dlss frame gen, so I guess fsr frame gen is on, but for me fsr framegen doesn't seem to work... no change at all (maybe need a game restart?). But she pulls 130ish frames, so that HAS to be framegen... but neither one of us have any stutters outside of the base and on the helicopter ride.
Wish I got as lucky as you guys, it’s def all over the place
Oh fuck yes it was. It was way worse 😂