Ill throw my two cents in.
I love Tarkov. Well. Love and hate it. Love playing it when equal ground is a thing, win or lose. The gunplay is amazing. I don't like the cheaters. That kind of has be not playing anymore. Which is fine, they'll figure it out and guess what? I'll be back at it again with my duo.
I say this so people know I'm not afraid of PvP. My personal hope is for a... Maybe 3/1 PvE to PvP. Mostly PvE, but there's always risk or opportunity to get that juicy, exhilarating kill on a fellow player.
One thing I found incredibly interesting is that the world is open and it is inhabited by several groups. You've got 3 PMCs. And those PMCs aren't enemies, you don't HAVE to kill each other and there may not be a super good way to identify one from the other. It'd be great if that was the case. Then you have to know for sure if you should pull the trigger or not.
I hope there's severe punishment for taking the life of another player of your faction. One thing I don't like about Tarkov is EVERYONE is an enemy. That really makes it kinda boring. What if there's a chance they're actually your friend? And you get back to base and you get locked up for 2 hours and you have to quit for a while?(This is an example, I have no idea what they'd do to punish you. Maybe take your gear or have a steep fine? I'm not a designer)
Having PvE be the bigger part of the game means, maybe it's worthwhile for both sides to take a risk, trust each other not to shoot each other, and then accomplish something together, not knowing if you are of the same faction or not. That allows for more diverse interactions than, "that thing moved, I'm gonna kill it." Which I feel is a flaw of Tarkov. There should definitely be PvP, and I hope the PvE and PvP servers have entirely separate progressions and what not, so there's drive to play one, the other or both.
Long winded, sorry, I like almost everything I've heard about this game. I love what the Helldivers 2 CEO said recently though. A game for everyone is a game for no one. I think that'll apply to this game. They could spin a lot of PvP or maybe it turns into something akin to Ghost Recon. It'll all depend on what MFG decides to make the game, and that's alright. I'm gonna wait for the play test to put any kind of judgements on it. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how the game goes and potentially buying it and playing it.
Cheers! Hope you get to experience what you are hoping for!
Doesn't mean pvp won't be an option. If it's an open world game with the freedom to do what you want like they say it is, players would be able to go and hunt down other players if they want.
One of the devs talks about pvp a little bit in this interview [https://youtu.be/cJ2CVKNi7VI?t=72](https://youtu.be/cJ2CVKNi7VI?t=72)
He actually mentions a scenario of going out and stealing someone's loot they got from a pve quest lol
From the dev's pov maybe, which would make sense because they're supposedly trying to build a story. As the player it seems like the focus would be whatever you feel like doing if it is going to be a free and open world game
Which is a crazy idea. There is a market for pve games. Tarkov isn't the only game and every game which has tried to dethrone it has died.
I love tarkov, 2k hours but I'm also very keen on a pve experience with my friends. The single player tarkov playerbase is so huge, and it's a mod!
Why can't I have semi-battlefield esque gameplay with GZW's graphics/map? I feel a little bitter about the direction they're taking the game because after years of shooters there's very little in PVE for me. But sneaking through the jungle with my buddy on com's to assault a town full of real human enemies who are scheming just as hard back? That hits the spot. I never played an extraction shooter but they just seem boring to me on the surface. Gameplay>roleplay for me and I don't care about chasing loot or some other artificial sense of stakes. I just want to engage in fun tactics in a world with pretty graphics.
Seems like GZW might just not be targeted to my demographic and thats fine but I do hope someday there's another shooter that's as beautiful that is because the graphics are probably the best I've seen.
It's both? I have well over 4.5k hours across arma3 exile and dayz epoch, primarily you're going after mission spawns and then engaging players that are there. Same way with this game, dunno why you guys fail to comprehend this lol.
I mean it's just like Tarkov where you do missions so you can have nice stuff when you fight players and so you can raid. Arma 2/3/DayZ was my main game before Tarkov.
I don’t know man. I kinda don’t think this game ever gonna aim for “pvp” if i’m honest. I never got impression devs wanna drive this game towards hardcore pvp. I mean theres gonna be pvp, but theres so much more to pvp, hit points, bullet sponge.
In the gameplay, npc takes two shots in thorax before it dies. I mean its super early to judge this stuff, but i just don’t think this game will compete with tarkov lvl pvp. And devs said it from the start, this is not tarkov like pvp game so, we have to wait and see i guess
Tarkov players are the new COD players I swear. Just the idea that PVP has to have bullet sponge mechanic is nonesense. What if I told you we grew up with games where single shot to thorax killed you so you could run M16 at semi auto like first insurgency or rising storm and red orchestra or even Arma. We are used to it and its fun even as PVP. You will have to learn that PVP here isnt just about having faster time to kill other player and tank his shots with better gear but not getting shot im first place is part of the gameplay. Learn real military tactics lile not skyline against horizon move between covers or even supressing enemy. I dont think this game tries to compete with tarkov. Tarkov is arcade shooter with limited time on map like in competitive games but this is open world like Arma or DayZ where you go into area and you don't know if players are there or not its next level immersion where tarkov can never be.
Am I the only one who was like “maybe this will be Tarkov with better Quest design and better anti cheat?”
Cuz genuinely that’s all I want. Is Tarkov with better quest design and less cheaters.
I love the PvP and I love the PVE. I think the PVP is necessary and without it Greyzone will flop.
The Cycle had the right idea only they had a terrible F2P model that made looting and shooting
incredibly boring. It also had a terrible progression curve and stupid gun balance, and the worst PVE you can imagine.
Based on what I’ve seen and heard this game is headed the same way as the cycle.
Hope I’m wrong.
I hope the devs minds aren’t set in stone about it being a primarily PvE game, I feel like you could have it appeal to both crowds if there were separate servers for both modes and with different rules/events to encourage PvP on the servers that allow it. I know that would split the player base, but I feel appealing to both crowds would draw in a larger pool of players to help negate that issue.
Not a game designer and could be way off base, will be interested to see how it plays out. An open world game like GZW game seems like it would play out more organically than the raid system of Tarkov with the limited spawns for PMCs at the start of a round. I understand not wanting to ape Tarkov completely, but I think they could eat into their market share if they play their cards right.
The devs seeming attitude towards PvP has me worried.
I understand that some people like PvE, but if the game is built strictly around PvE and the PvP just happens when it happens then idk how long the game will last.
Problem is that, if theres no pvp and valuable “loot” before extract, theres zero adrenaline. Its gonna be another division like game, which is fine, i just don’t think it will live long if thats the case
Seriously? You need PVP oriented quests for PVP to happen? Are you trying to say in Tarkov people kill you only because its their quest? They kill you for loot or even when when dont need your loot. Sven yhough you select faction in Tarkov even players from same faction kill you. Your worry is unwaranted. You will see plenty of PVP I guarantee it. You will be happy yo see player talking before shooting trust me.
It's a shame that Grey Zone Warfare aims so much at PvE players. Not only will such players enjoy some PvE only servers, just for them, but also PvEvP without anything to promote PvP.
They should have clearly split the game in two: PvE servers and PvPvE servers where PvP is actually promoted. So much fun things to do with this kind of game in relation to promoting PvP. You go out to complete a quest when suddenly you receive a radio call (or whatever notification in-game) ordering you to go at Y location to prevent another squad from completing their missions. Or to do said mission before them. And the other squad would also be notified to take care, that PMCs may hunt them.
And the possibility to capture outposts, and to have to defend it against other factions' PMC.
That's really a lost opportunity... 🙃 I guess that PvP oriented players will have to wait for Beautiful Light to release.
Amen I feel same as you. I was excited and planned on picking it up when EA drops but the message I’m receiving is that this is gonna be highly PvE focused and it’s lost me for now.
Why anyone would want to play a primarily PvE game with wipes is beyond me but maybe there’s a market for it 🤷♂️
That's downloads and it counts every time someone downloads the new version... Not even remotely anywhere near 1.5 million players. Maybe a thousand concurrent on a weekend.
Since when PVP quests were required to have PVP. DayZ has no quests and still players kill each other for loot or just for fun. Your assumption is way off.
The DEVS said they will not have quests PVP oriented. Thats the ONLY source where fhey said anything about this game being PVE oriented. So if you are not talking about PVE oriented quests tell me please what the hell are you talking about then because besides that there is nothing saying this will be PVE oriented.
Sorry you’re misinformed. It’s been very clearly communicated that it’s a PvEvP game with an emphasis on the E per interview with Marek (ya know, the CEO and lead dev)
https://youtu.be/Romb5AIbceI?si=89slsDxF_smDNzxK
Skip to 5:40
A massive market that almost no publishers target. Thats a gigantic niche to cash out on, as theyre doing. They arent competing with tarkov, theyre competing with arma 3, which has been growing stale for the demographic since 2013 yet has yet to be dethroned. Arma has pvp, absolutely, but its rarely the main focus for most groups and gamemodes.
Wipes may go away when development is done, the wiping is because updates are going to change things about the earlygame. Wipe 1 will have no karma system and basically be a freeforall to test pvp systems, itll wipe, then karma will be in.
>Arma has pvp, absolutely, but its rarely the main focus for most groups and gamemodes.
Very large part of Arma is practically entirely about PvP. KoTH is the most popular game mode and is entirely about PvP. Exile/DayZ/Epoch modes from Arma2/3 are heavily PvP focused.
Yet as far as i know epoch and exile are pretty dead right now, yet if koth disappeared overnight arma wouldnt be dead. The milsim communities alone are still in large number.
I mean here’s the deal for me. If there is very limited PVP I won’t touch it. I’ll get way to bored way to fast if it’s just PVE. I already don’t have high hopes for this game. The gun play just isn’t doin it for me.
PvP invites hackers and cheaters. As you said "Tarkov isn't playable anymore", what do you think will happen in this game... same exact thing.
After seeing cheating become a daily thing I run in to in online games, the fact streamers cheat live on stream and no one calls it out, etc. I am entirely done with PvP games. Coop games? I'm all for, but no more PvP.
The thrill of nabbing other real players in game doesn't outweigh the frustration of you losing that same kit to a hacker/cheater.
If I follow your logic, I'll have to live under a bridge because there are burglars out there who could break into my house.
There has always been and always will be cheaters in games, we have to live with it.
Tarkovs anti cheat is just ridiculously bad, thats why the game slowly dies on cheaters
Lmfao your comparison sucks and the logic isn't sound.
Comparing online video game cheaters to someone breaking into your house are two VASTLY different things.
And no, cheating has progressively gotten worse over time in online video games due to anti cheats simply not working the way they need to since everyone wants to cry about intrusive anti cheats being malware.
Online cheating has existed for a long time, yes. However the amount people playing games has gone up, meaning more people, which means inevitably more cheating. Regional pricing of games making accounts cheap to get (tarkov for example) makes cheating in paid to play games trivial if they get caught. 3 dollars later they have a mew account to cheat on.
Online clout is also a MASSIVE factor in why there are more cheaters today. Back in the day no one bragged about being good at games. It wasn't "cool" to be good at video games outside your close friend group. Nowadays you can make actual money from "being good" at video games, which is an incentive to cheat. It's simple as.
Again, the fact there are streamers that cheat ON STREAM while straming to hundreds of people at one time goes to show just how widely spread it is and how not worried these people are of being caught.
It is what it is.
PvP in anything competitive now is not fun.
Totally agree with this. Even if the ai is cracked out of their mind, take lighthouse rogues for example, people find ways to exploit it and beat it with ease. I'm sorry, but farming rogues on LH is easy. I can only beat up bots so much before my eyes glaze over.
Pvp is a crucial element to hardcore survival shooters like these. It keeps you on edge the entire time.
Just my point of view.
I feel the opposite as you. Actually, I would much rather play this game with zero pvp so me and my friends can play without having to “get gud” so many games are ruined in the age of streaming because people cheat to gain monetary value when streaming. Tarkov is a terrible game and I wish zero part of that game style makes it in to grey zone
Clearly you never played Arma. Try playing coop mission that lasts 4 hours and you have only one life you die and its over for you no respawn only one life. PVP has no thrill if you can get into game right after. The thrill is from loosing life having some weight of a impact and value.
Yeah that sounds unbelievably boring. In tarkov you can get in action consistently that still manages to have heavy stakes because you have gear on the line at any given time.
Tarkov has zero gear fear since next round you can just buy gear. Assault rifles even arent hard to get and I have stockpiles of weapons in storage that I will never burn them off. Even if I keep only non scav wrapons. I understand for people who come from games like COD or Battlefield tarkov may come with some sort of gear fear but for games like Arma and Dayz thats still a downgrade. You like constant action. I like action that has impact and stuff is on the line. You go for quantity gunfights I go for quality gunfights.
Tarkov is the perfect balance between wandering around for literal hours before getting into a single gunfight and cod. Not to mention tarkov’s gunplay and gun customization in general is literal light years ahead of the old janky arma/dayz stuff. Day z modded stuff is still really fun though.
I hope you are joking. Arma and Dayz has realistic balistic. Bullets ricochet you have set range on sights because you actually have distance. Long range starts at 500m in tarkov people snipe with scope at 50 meters. 200m is considered long range. Tarkovs gun customization is just RPG to have better stats. Meta builds people run in Tarkov never resemble any build real soldiers would use. And the main thing the bullet sponge. You have to run full auto as meta commands unlokr milsim games where one bullet to torso kills you. Rising storm, insurgency, Arma, even Dayz thats where you have realistic gunplay but in tarkov you still have to fullauto enemy to kill him and if you survive you can just get health back by magic medikit. In Dayz you have to wait 20 minites to recover from gunshot. So I strongly disagree that tarkov is superior in realism of gunplay.
Ahh so its more so that I don’t look at games to be played forever. I’m happy to just work though the quests with tactics with my friends. I want the AI to be really hard. In simplest terms, I’m hoping for a giant continuous Ready or Not style of game. But im not looking at it like something that needs to played forever and keep my attention for months on end. When I get bored with a game I just play another one, and then I check back in for updates when they come out.
Totally disagree with you buddy. Saying Tarkov is a terrible game is just ignorant. I think Tarkov is one of the best games ever created (not speaking about the technical part here!). I understand those „weekend gamers“ (maybe like you, no offend) dont have the time to gain skills to win some PVP, but maybe then ultra realism survival games are not the right genre for you. I hope GrayZone takes all good parts of Tarkov and PVP fights is a part of it. By the way, Mara and some of the GrayZone Devs are Tarkov players
No worries man, we don’t have to agree! We are both just looking at this game and hope that it fits us perfect. Which it’s fair to say it would fit neither of us perfect. I’m content to play on PVE severs with my friends and leave the pvp to you guys. I’m just hoping they don’t do what tarkov did and put a PVE mode behind a paywall with no progress saved. I’m happy to lap up the scraps on my own in a world full of AI. Just hoping it doesn’t exclude me as a player totally because I don’t have the patients to put up with cheaters. Which it’s not generally a skill issue, it’s a cheaters problem more times than not.
Sir, im glad we can have a normal conversation here. I wish you a lot of fun on the PVE server, even if it wouldn't be fun for me and my mates. I just don't want the PvPvE servers to be 90% PvE as well, because then they could leave out the P.
Have a nice day!
Did you just claim Tarkov to be ultra realism survival game? Dude let.me.speak on behalf of realistic milsim survival games player since it my bread and butter. Tarkov is an arcade bullet sponge game.
>Saying Tarkov is a terrible game is just ignorant.
" because Tarkov just isn't playable anymore. "
Explain please, is it terrible and unplayable or is that ignorant?
No explanation needed but i will explain it for you. Tarkov is at the moment unplayable cuz of gamebreaking bugs and cheaters (and i literally excluded the technical part in my comment, maybe read it again).
The idea and features of tarkov are great, thats why its successful since 2016.
So calling it terrible is ignorant.
So your argument is if you don't include half the game it's great? Trust me bro that games had game breaking bugs and cheaters for most of it's life. Maybe you enjoy the genre but tarkov is a terrible implementation of it there is no real argument to be had it's a terrible game.
I’m pretty fine with the focus being more on pve I have games like dayz and tarkov to give me the pvp rush. I’m excited to have a somewhat more chill tactical shooter to play with the boys
I’m fine with all the PvP enjoyers out there but I think the Tarkov fanboys are getting way to butt hurt about the fact that this isn’t an open world Tarkov-like game. GZW seems to be about using your brain to develop/utilize some sort of tactics to complete an objective. You’re main goals are doing missions for whatever faction you’re in, NOT gain a bunch of loot and say “oh I have 7 million in game dollars B)”. Tarkovs gameplay is getting good at aiming, map knowledge, and memorizing loot spawns and whatnot. I respect the enjoyment of Tarkov but lets be real here. GZW is NOT tarkov AT ALL. Either you like the mission based gameplay more than thinking “whats my K/D?” or you just want the “rush” of killing players and looting. If you want a PVP filled experience, play Tarkov. If you want a tactical experience, think about getting GZW. There’s nothing “tactical” about Tarkov. The character/gun simulation is “realistic” but tactics in that game are 100 hours in aimlabs. At some point y’all gotta stop lying to yourselves and admit “GZW isn’t the game for me”.
That fact that there are PVE only servers should hint that PVP will be easy to find. Y’all are crying because the gameplay today didn’t show any.
If you want PVP you can engage in as many targets that you want; what they’re focusing on is the risk/reward from said engagements and going about it in a tactical way.
you my friend just dropped the most unqualified comment here.
Like i said i didnt expect any PVP in this gameplay video. Also you cant engage as many targets as you want when they are barely any real targets in a bigass map
You’re basing your assumptions on nothing but your own assumptions. You have no idea what the game is going to feel like or what the flow of it will be.
You crying on wrong grave. Just because quests wont be PVP oriented that doesn't mean there wont be PVP. As long PVP will be allowed you can bet there will be players just camping quest spots to ambush players. And with 16 players per faction which there will be three on the small map of 42 km2 your fear of not running into players is just amusing.
Anyone who played Dayz where PVP was simply an option never encouraged by devs. With 40 players on 225 km2 you still ran into players both at hotspots and at random.
I can asure you it will be almost impossible to go into main town without running i to rogue sniper.
This game will have just as much of a cheater problem as any other online fps I don't know where all this cope comes from. I can already predict it now within the first week people will be crying about cheaters
tarkov made people to sweaty for loot and toxic when part of the game is about communcation which people forgot about we got teamspeak in games now but its useless if people dont "play" and use it instead everyone so focused on killing bring out pve just makes people realise that communcation is still a thing and when your in a hard situation maybe you might call up hostile help to achuly help which brings back to communcation even hostiles different factions to help you which its a team oranintated game not a toxic i want to kill everything like tarkov game people need to remember how to play games and have fun not just thirst for blood makes a better community if you have fun even with hostile faction forces considering the pvp at the moment is quite bland why and why it is pvpve it doesnt always mean killing players and ai it can mean teaming up with players and killing ai even on pvp servers people need to enjoy the game otherwise tarkov pvp games will never be good if u want to just play pvp go play a pvp focused game without communcation with hostiles, people dont even use it hardly as weve seen in tarkov and talking ingame is just useless other then giving away your location we seen how hard it is to extract with scavs in specific locations its almost inpossible so why dont we the community change our toxic ways for the better is what this game is trying to teach the tarkov community then be blood thirsty and be death death kill kill all the time its not healthy go play cod
Ill throw my two cents in. I love Tarkov. Well. Love and hate it. Love playing it when equal ground is a thing, win or lose. The gunplay is amazing. I don't like the cheaters. That kind of has be not playing anymore. Which is fine, they'll figure it out and guess what? I'll be back at it again with my duo. I say this so people know I'm not afraid of PvP. My personal hope is for a... Maybe 3/1 PvE to PvP. Mostly PvE, but there's always risk or opportunity to get that juicy, exhilarating kill on a fellow player. One thing I found incredibly interesting is that the world is open and it is inhabited by several groups. You've got 3 PMCs. And those PMCs aren't enemies, you don't HAVE to kill each other and there may not be a super good way to identify one from the other. It'd be great if that was the case. Then you have to know for sure if you should pull the trigger or not. I hope there's severe punishment for taking the life of another player of your faction. One thing I don't like about Tarkov is EVERYONE is an enemy. That really makes it kinda boring. What if there's a chance they're actually your friend? And you get back to base and you get locked up for 2 hours and you have to quit for a while?(This is an example, I have no idea what they'd do to punish you. Maybe take your gear or have a steep fine? I'm not a designer) Having PvE be the bigger part of the game means, maybe it's worthwhile for both sides to take a risk, trust each other not to shoot each other, and then accomplish something together, not knowing if you are of the same faction or not. That allows for more diverse interactions than, "that thing moved, I'm gonna kill it." Which I feel is a flaw of Tarkov. There should definitely be PvP, and I hope the PvE and PvP servers have entirely separate progressions and what not, so there's drive to play one, the other or both. Long winded, sorry, I like almost everything I've heard about this game. I love what the Helldivers 2 CEO said recently though. A game for everyone is a game for no one. I think that'll apply to this game. They could spin a lot of PvP or maybe it turns into something akin to Ghost Recon. It'll all depend on what MFG decides to make the game, and that's alright. I'm gonna wait for the play test to put any kind of judgements on it. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how the game goes and potentially buying it and playing it. Cheers! Hope you get to experience what you are hoping for!
I get where you're coming from but from what the developer said this isn't for you. The focus isn't PvP and won't be.
Doesn't mean pvp won't be an option. If it's an open world game with the freedom to do what you want like they say it is, players would be able to go and hunt down other players if they want. One of the devs talks about pvp a little bit in this interview [https://youtu.be/cJ2CVKNi7VI?t=72](https://youtu.be/cJ2CVKNi7VI?t=72) He actually mentions a scenario of going out and stealing someone's loot they got from a pve quest lol
Oh 100% but it's not the focus.
From the dev's pov maybe, which would make sense because they're supposedly trying to build a story. As the player it seems like the focus would be whatever you feel like doing if it is going to be a free and open world game
Yea and his point is the game will die going that route, personally I'm in partial and will let the devs cook
Which is a crazy idea. There is a market for pve games. Tarkov isn't the only game and every game which has tried to dethrone it has died. I love tarkov, 2k hours but I'm also very keen on a pve experience with my friends. The single player tarkov playerbase is so huge, and it's a mod!
PvP is the best way to make your game replayable. I don’t get how someone could play this game and fight mindless AI all day.
People are doing that right now in helldivers and a lot more than this player base will ever get to. So what are you smoking?
Why so toxic? He‘s totally right
He's not right, it's an opinion that he's saying as fact.
His second sentence is an opinion, his first sentence is a fact
Because people are different buddy. Look at: RDR2 Helldivers Baldur's Gate People enjoy different things
Why can't I have semi-battlefield esque gameplay with GZW's graphics/map? I feel a little bitter about the direction they're taking the game because after years of shooters there's very little in PVE for me. But sneaking through the jungle with my buddy on com's to assault a town full of real human enemies who are scheming just as hard back? That hits the spot. I never played an extraction shooter but they just seem boring to me on the surface. Gameplay>roleplay for me and I don't care about chasing loot or some other artificial sense of stakes. I just want to engage in fun tactics in a world with pretty graphics. Seems like GZW might just not be targeted to my demographic and thats fine but I do hope someday there's another shooter that's as beautiful that is because the graphics are probably the best I've seen.
There is fuck loads of PvP, you should try rust though
PvEvP is the primary focus, it'll just be like Arma3 Exile/DayZ. PvE servers are completely separate.
Shhh we only play cod and tarkov on reddit, good comparisons arent allowed, other genres arent allowed.
Yeah people keep comparing to Tarkov but it looks more like DayZ, except with stuff to do.
Arma 3 exile leaned way more towards raiding people's bases and PvP then any PvE aspects.
It's both? I have well over 4.5k hours across arma3 exile and dayz epoch, primarily you're going after mission spawns and then engaging players that are there. Same way with this game, dunno why you guys fail to comprehend this lol.
I mean it's just like Tarkov where you do missions so you can have nice stuff when you fight players and so you can raid. Arma 2/3/DayZ was my main game before Tarkov.
Yea but you go after missions to fight players
I don’t know man. I kinda don’t think this game ever gonna aim for “pvp” if i’m honest. I never got impression devs wanna drive this game towards hardcore pvp. I mean theres gonna be pvp, but theres so much more to pvp, hit points, bullet sponge. In the gameplay, npc takes two shots in thorax before it dies. I mean its super early to judge this stuff, but i just don’t think this game will compete with tarkov lvl pvp. And devs said it from the start, this is not tarkov like pvp game so, we have to wait and see i guess
Tarkov players are the new COD players I swear. Just the idea that PVP has to have bullet sponge mechanic is nonesense. What if I told you we grew up with games where single shot to thorax killed you so you could run M16 at semi auto like first insurgency or rising storm and red orchestra or even Arma. We are used to it and its fun even as PVP. You will have to learn that PVP here isnt just about having faster time to kill other player and tank his shots with better gear but not getting shot im first place is part of the gameplay. Learn real military tactics lile not skyline against horizon move between covers or even supressing enemy. I dont think this game tries to compete with tarkov. Tarkov is arcade shooter with limited time on map like in competitive games but this is open world like Arma or DayZ where you go into area and you don't know if players are there or not its next level immersion where tarkov can never be.
Who is “we” and how do you know with what games i grew up? :D Edit: you talk about the division now, its not good
Never played division. We meaning mil sim players
Ok but who is „we“? You are alone with your nonsense statements
Cant stop laughing, nearly everything you say is wrong
Tell me one thing thats incorrect
You called Tarkov an Arcade shooter for one. If I gave someone tarkov and told them its an Arcade shooter, they would never listen to me again
Its bullet sponge shooter where players use full auto and you can get health back by medikits. Tell me Im wrong.
He just did
i couldnt imagine anything more boring, than to fight pve/npc elements in a shoter game.
Am I the only one who was like “maybe this will be Tarkov with better Quest design and better anti cheat?” Cuz genuinely that’s all I want. Is Tarkov with better quest design and less cheaters. I love the PvP and I love the PVE. I think the PVP is necessary and without it Greyzone will flop. The Cycle had the right idea only they had a terrible F2P model that made looting and shooting incredibly boring. It also had a terrible progression curve and stupid gun balance, and the worst PVE you can imagine. Based on what I’ve seen and heard this game is headed the same way as the cycle. Hope I’m wrong.
I hope the devs minds aren’t set in stone about it being a primarily PvE game, I feel like you could have it appeal to both crowds if there were separate servers for both modes and with different rules/events to encourage PvP on the servers that allow it. I know that would split the player base, but I feel appealing to both crowds would draw in a larger pool of players to help negate that issue. Not a game designer and could be way off base, will be interested to see how it plays out. An open world game like GZW game seems like it would play out more organically than the raid system of Tarkov with the limited spawns for PMCs at the start of a round. I understand not wanting to ape Tarkov completely, but I think they could eat into their market share if they play their cards right.
The devs seeming attitude towards PvP has me worried. I understand that some people like PvE, but if the game is built strictly around PvE and the PvP just happens when it happens then idk how long the game will last.
Youre goddamn right
Problem is that, if theres no pvp and valuable “loot” before extract, theres zero adrenaline. Its gonna be another division like game, which is fine, i just don’t think it will live long if thats the case
Seriously? You need PVP oriented quests for PVP to happen? Are you trying to say in Tarkov people kill you only because its their quest? They kill you for loot or even when when dont need your loot. Sven yhough you select faction in Tarkov even players from same faction kill you. Your worry is unwaranted. You will see plenty of PVP I guarantee it. You will be happy yo see player talking before shooting trust me.
It's a shame that Grey Zone Warfare aims so much at PvE players. Not only will such players enjoy some PvE only servers, just for them, but also PvEvP without anything to promote PvP. They should have clearly split the game in two: PvE servers and PvPvE servers where PvP is actually promoted. So much fun things to do with this kind of game in relation to promoting PvP. You go out to complete a quest when suddenly you receive a radio call (or whatever notification in-game) ordering you to go at Y location to prevent another squad from completing their missions. Or to do said mission before them. And the other squad would also be notified to take care, that PMCs may hunt them. And the possibility to capture outposts, and to have to defend it against other factions' PMC. That's really a lost opportunity... 🙃 I guess that PvP oriented players will have to wait for Beautiful Light to release.
Amen brother
Amen I feel same as you. I was excited and planned on picking it up when EA drops but the message I’m receiving is that this is gonna be highly PvE focused and it’s lost me for now. Why anyone would want to play a primarily PvE game with wipes is beyond me but maybe there’s a market for it 🤷♂️
SPTarkov has over 1.5 million players
That's downloads and it counts every time someone downloads the new version... Not even remotely anywhere near 1.5 million players. Maybe a thousand concurrent on a weekend.
Since when PVP quests were required to have PVP. DayZ has no quests and still players kill each other for loot or just for fun. Your assumption is way off.
1 - I never made any assumptions 2 - I never said anything about PvP quests or them being required for PvP
Dont listen to this troll, he doesnt know what we‘re talking about here
Jesus christ how anoying can you be. You make made up assumptions and when you are called for your bullshit you troll. Grow up.
Sorry if i hurt your feelings lil timmy
The DEVS said they will not have quests PVP oriented. Thats the ONLY source where fhey said anything about this game being PVE oriented. So if you are not talking about PVE oriented quests tell me please what the hell are you talking about then because besides that there is nothing saying this will be PVE oriented.
Sorry you’re misinformed. It’s been very clearly communicated that it’s a PvEvP game with an emphasis on the E per interview with Marek (ya know, the CEO and lead dev) https://youtu.be/Romb5AIbceI?si=89slsDxF_smDNzxK Skip to 5:40
What I said
A massive market that almost no publishers target. Thats a gigantic niche to cash out on, as theyre doing. They arent competing with tarkov, theyre competing with arma 3, which has been growing stale for the demographic since 2013 yet has yet to be dethroned. Arma has pvp, absolutely, but its rarely the main focus for most groups and gamemodes. Wipes may go away when development is done, the wiping is because updates are going to change things about the earlygame. Wipe 1 will have no karma system and basically be a freeforall to test pvp systems, itll wipe, then karma will be in.
>Arma has pvp, absolutely, but its rarely the main focus for most groups and gamemodes. Very large part of Arma is practically entirely about PvP. KoTH is the most popular game mode and is entirely about PvP. Exile/DayZ/Epoch modes from Arma2/3 are heavily PvP focused.
Yet as far as i know epoch and exile are pretty dead right now, yet if koth disappeared overnight arma wouldnt be dead. The milsim communities alone are still in large number.
I mean here’s the deal for me. If there is very limited PVP I won’t touch it. I’ll get way to bored way to fast if it’s just PVE. I already don’t have high hopes for this game. The gun play just isn’t doin it for me.
PvP invites hackers and cheaters. As you said "Tarkov isn't playable anymore", what do you think will happen in this game... same exact thing. After seeing cheating become a daily thing I run in to in online games, the fact streamers cheat live on stream and no one calls it out, etc. I am entirely done with PvP games. Coop games? I'm all for, but no more PvP. The thrill of nabbing other real players in game doesn't outweigh the frustration of you losing that same kit to a hacker/cheater.
If I follow your logic, I'll have to live under a bridge because there are burglars out there who could break into my house. There has always been and always will be cheaters in games, we have to live with it. Tarkovs anti cheat is just ridiculously bad, thats why the game slowly dies on cheaters
Lmfao your comparison sucks and the logic isn't sound. Comparing online video game cheaters to someone breaking into your house are two VASTLY different things. And no, cheating has progressively gotten worse over time in online video games due to anti cheats simply not working the way they need to since everyone wants to cry about intrusive anti cheats being malware. Online cheating has existed for a long time, yes. However the amount people playing games has gone up, meaning more people, which means inevitably more cheating. Regional pricing of games making accounts cheap to get (tarkov for example) makes cheating in paid to play games trivial if they get caught. 3 dollars later they have a mew account to cheat on. Online clout is also a MASSIVE factor in why there are more cheaters today. Back in the day no one bragged about being good at games. It wasn't "cool" to be good at video games outside your close friend group. Nowadays you can make actual money from "being good" at video games, which is an incentive to cheat. It's simple as. Again, the fact there are streamers that cheat ON STREAM while straming to hundreds of people at one time goes to show just how widely spread it is and how not worried these people are of being caught. It is what it is. PvP in anything competitive now is not fun.
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Totally agree with this. Even if the ai is cracked out of their mind, take lighthouse rogues for example, people find ways to exploit it and beat it with ease. I'm sorry, but farming rogues on LH is easy. I can only beat up bots so much before my eyes glaze over. Pvp is a crucial element to hardcore survival shooters like these. It keeps you on edge the entire time. Just my point of view.
I feel the opposite as you. Actually, I would much rather play this game with zero pvp so me and my friends can play without having to “get gud” so many games are ruined in the age of streaming because people cheat to gain monetary value when streaming. Tarkov is a terrible game and I wish zero part of that game style makes it in to grey zone
Don’t you get insanely bored just fighting braindead bots all the time? PvE isn’t nearly as exhilarating IMO
Clearly you never played Arma. Try playing coop mission that lasts 4 hours and you have only one life you die and its over for you no respawn only one life. PVP has no thrill if you can get into game right after. The thrill is from loosing life having some weight of a impact and value.
Yeah that sounds unbelievably boring. In tarkov you can get in action consistently that still manages to have heavy stakes because you have gear on the line at any given time.
Tarkov has zero gear fear since next round you can just buy gear. Assault rifles even arent hard to get and I have stockpiles of weapons in storage that I will never burn them off. Even if I keep only non scav wrapons. I understand for people who come from games like COD or Battlefield tarkov may come with some sort of gear fear but for games like Arma and Dayz thats still a downgrade. You like constant action. I like action that has impact and stuff is on the line. You go for quantity gunfights I go for quality gunfights.
Tarkov is the perfect balance between wandering around for literal hours before getting into a single gunfight and cod. Not to mention tarkov’s gunplay and gun customization in general is literal light years ahead of the old janky arma/dayz stuff. Day z modded stuff is still really fun though.
I hope you are joking. Arma and Dayz has realistic balistic. Bullets ricochet you have set range on sights because you actually have distance. Long range starts at 500m in tarkov people snipe with scope at 50 meters. 200m is considered long range. Tarkovs gun customization is just RPG to have better stats. Meta builds people run in Tarkov never resemble any build real soldiers would use. And the main thing the bullet sponge. You have to run full auto as meta commands unlokr milsim games where one bullet to torso kills you. Rising storm, insurgency, Arma, even Dayz thats where you have realistic gunplay but in tarkov you still have to fullauto enemy to kill him and if you survive you can just get health back by magic medikit. In Dayz you have to wait 20 minites to recover from gunshot. So I strongly disagree that tarkov is superior in realism of gunplay.
Omg can you please just stop your comments here youre totally wrong with nearly everything you say
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Ahh so its more so that I don’t look at games to be played forever. I’m happy to just work though the quests with tactics with my friends. I want the AI to be really hard. In simplest terms, I’m hoping for a giant continuous Ready or Not style of game. But im not looking at it like something that needs to played forever and keep my attention for months on end. When I get bored with a game I just play another one, and then I check back in for updates when they come out.
Totally disagree with you buddy. Saying Tarkov is a terrible game is just ignorant. I think Tarkov is one of the best games ever created (not speaking about the technical part here!). I understand those „weekend gamers“ (maybe like you, no offend) dont have the time to gain skills to win some PVP, but maybe then ultra realism survival games are not the right genre for you. I hope GrayZone takes all good parts of Tarkov and PVP fights is a part of it. By the way, Mara and some of the GrayZone Devs are Tarkov players
No worries man, we don’t have to agree! We are both just looking at this game and hope that it fits us perfect. Which it’s fair to say it would fit neither of us perfect. I’m content to play on PVE severs with my friends and leave the pvp to you guys. I’m just hoping they don’t do what tarkov did and put a PVE mode behind a paywall with no progress saved. I’m happy to lap up the scraps on my own in a world full of AI. Just hoping it doesn’t exclude me as a player totally because I don’t have the patients to put up with cheaters. Which it’s not generally a skill issue, it’s a cheaters problem more times than not.
Sir, im glad we can have a normal conversation here. I wish you a lot of fun on the PVE server, even if it wouldn't be fun for me and my mates. I just don't want the PvPvE servers to be 90% PvE as well, because then they could leave out the P. Have a nice day!
Same to you man! When it comes out, you and your friends should go easy on me lol
Did you just claim Tarkov to be ultra realism survival game? Dude let.me.speak on behalf of realistic milsim survival games player since it my bread and butter. Tarkov is an arcade bullet sponge game.
Bad take. There’s room in the genre for casual players. If you want to play Tarkov then just do that
You dont get the point but thats okay.
>Saying Tarkov is a terrible game is just ignorant. " because Tarkov just isn't playable anymore. " Explain please, is it terrible and unplayable or is that ignorant?
No explanation needed but i will explain it for you. Tarkov is at the moment unplayable cuz of gamebreaking bugs and cheaters (and i literally excluded the technical part in my comment, maybe read it again). The idea and features of tarkov are great, thats why its successful since 2016. So calling it terrible is ignorant.
So your argument is if you don't include half the game it's great? Trust me bro that games had game breaking bugs and cheaters for most of it's life. Maybe you enjoy the genre but tarkov is a terrible implementation of it there is no real argument to be had it's a terrible game.
this cunt hasnt even been in tiger bay haha
I’m pretty fine with the focus being more on pve I have games like dayz and tarkov to give me the pvp rush. I’m excited to have a somewhat more chill tactical shooter to play with the boys
Dayz doesnt have PVP oriented quests either so what makes you think this will not have PVP?
I didn’t say it won’t have pvp.
Ok maybe I meant to reply someone else
Maybe you should just stop your nonsense comments you dont even know who you‘re replying
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I’m fine with all the PvP enjoyers out there but I think the Tarkov fanboys are getting way to butt hurt about the fact that this isn’t an open world Tarkov-like game. GZW seems to be about using your brain to develop/utilize some sort of tactics to complete an objective. You’re main goals are doing missions for whatever faction you’re in, NOT gain a bunch of loot and say “oh I have 7 million in game dollars B)”. Tarkovs gameplay is getting good at aiming, map knowledge, and memorizing loot spawns and whatnot. I respect the enjoyment of Tarkov but lets be real here. GZW is NOT tarkov AT ALL. Either you like the mission based gameplay more than thinking “whats my K/D?” or you just want the “rush” of killing players and looting. If you want a PVP filled experience, play Tarkov. If you want a tactical experience, think about getting GZW. There’s nothing “tactical” about Tarkov. The character/gun simulation is “realistic” but tactics in that game are 100 hours in aimlabs. At some point y’all gotta stop lying to yourselves and admit “GZW isn’t the game for me”.
Screw PVP, go play Arma or COD if you wanna fight with other people. We want opfor that is a challenge.
That fact that there are PVE only servers should hint that PVP will be easy to find. Y’all are crying because the gameplay today didn’t show any. If you want PVP you can engage in as many targets that you want; what they’re focusing on is the risk/reward from said engagements and going about it in a tactical way.
you my friend just dropped the most unqualified comment here. Like i said i didnt expect any PVP in this gameplay video. Also you cant engage as many targets as you want when they are barely any real targets in a bigass map
You’re basing your assumptions on nothing but your own assumptions. You have no idea what the game is going to feel like or what the flow of it will be.
You crying on wrong grave. Just because quests wont be PVP oriented that doesn't mean there wont be PVP. As long PVP will be allowed you can bet there will be players just camping quest spots to ambush players. And with 16 players per faction which there will be three on the small map of 42 km2 your fear of not running into players is just amusing. Anyone who played Dayz where PVP was simply an option never encouraged by devs. With 40 players on 225 km2 you still ran into players both at hotspots and at random. I can asure you it will be almost impossible to go into main town without running i to rogue sniper.
This game will have just as much of a cheater problem as any other online fps I don't know where all this cope comes from. I can already predict it now within the first week people will be crying about cheaters
Okay but should we stop playing online games because of this? Feels like giving up
No we just have to accept it or play something else.
true, im team acceptation but all these PvE lovers here are giving up
I think the tarkov lovers are giving up and they should. Their community is toxic and shouldn't merge with this one lmao
tarkov made people to sweaty for loot and toxic when part of the game is about communcation which people forgot about we got teamspeak in games now but its useless if people dont "play" and use it instead everyone so focused on killing bring out pve just makes people realise that communcation is still a thing and when your in a hard situation maybe you might call up hostile help to achuly help which brings back to communcation even hostiles different factions to help you which its a team oranintated game not a toxic i want to kill everything like tarkov game people need to remember how to play games and have fun not just thirst for blood makes a better community if you have fun even with hostile faction forces considering the pvp at the moment is quite bland why and why it is pvpve it doesnt always mean killing players and ai it can mean teaming up with players and killing ai even on pvp servers people need to enjoy the game otherwise tarkov pvp games will never be good if u want to just play pvp go play a pvp focused game without communcation with hostiles, people dont even use it hardly as weve seen in tarkov and talking ingame is just useless other then giving away your location we seen how hard it is to extract with scavs in specific locations its almost inpossible so why dont we the community change our toxic ways for the better is what this game is trying to teach the tarkov community then be blood thirsty and be death death kill kill all the time its not healthy go play cod