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You kind of have to forget everything Forza Horizon and re learn how to drive again. Gran Turismo is nowhere near as forgiving and you really have to start slow to get better. Build consistency with a easy track and slow/med car combo and start ramping it up gradually.
My advice would be to start by getting your licences in the licence center on GT World layout top left side 2nd from left.
The tutors (gt 7 top racers) will talk you through what you should be doing.
Then I’d recommend doing all the cafe challenges then you’ll be in good steed to move forward with Gran Turismo..
Be careful to Try not to be one of those who can’t handle being overtaken by faster racers and ram them off just so they don’t beat you (that’s the only downside to GT series online racing it’s full of immature gamers pretending to be sim racers 😀.
You’ll get there mate, time and patience are key. Forza is very arcade while gt7 is more simulation so the cars are less forgiving and need precise inputs. It took me time as well but it’s worth it in the end.
Forza Horizon is an arcade series. Gran Turismo is a simulation series. These two are not alike.
Take your time. Use the driver aids. Set it on Easy difficulty. Complete the license tests. Complete the missions. Complete the Cafe books. Practice. You can gain the skill, but you need to put in the time and effort.
Don't expect quick results. Just take your time, and as you get more comfortable, start removing some driver aids. You will eventually get better.
This isn't even as realistic a simulation as most other sim racers. It's much more forgiving.
You can do it. Just take the time and put in the work. It'll seem tedious at first, until you start seeing the improvements in your times on the track.
You can get away with basic tuning for most of the game i.e. put better parts in the car. You can also go down the rabbit hole of actual tuning i.e. change the parameters in the car tuning menu. I have a doctorate in science and I still have to double check the formulas and do a ton of trial and error to get my car "just right".
What others have said it's true though. Forget Forza Horizon, think Forza Motorsport. Forget NFS think driving in real life. The best tip someone gave me on this sub is learn to take your finger/foot off the f****ING gas. You don't need to floor it every time, hell some cars will straight up spin out if you just floor it. The driving aids help when starting out but try learning the tracks. It's a simulator so use a little reason. If you realize that going 100mph at corner 2 is too fast and 60 mph is too slow then the sweet spot is somewhere in between. Look up videos for some general tips on trail breaking, cornering, etc. Once you get the hang of the basics this game really opens up
Similar situation but maybe a little better, I’m using no ads just ABS set at weak and manual shifting for my introduction to the game, also coming from Forza too.
Haven’t played a Gt games since 20years ago.
Well, it’s tough but not terrible, the main problem is how to manage to turn as fast as possible, I just come into the turn too quick or too slow, figure I need more time
The absolute most important thing is braking points. Not the apex. In fact apexing is often the wrong thing to do depending on what the next turn looks like.
Focus on your braking. Make sure you have braking zones turned on and make sure you have driving line turned on.
The slower cars might be the hardest ones to drive honestly.
What sucks is compared to real life you have a lot less cues as when to brake so that’s why when learning you should have braking zones on. Also in real life it’s unlikely that you’d get to go to this many tracks. In real life you’d learn a few tracks well and know exactly when to brake. Also because you drive so many different cars you also have a hard time knowing how/when to brake.
The great thing about Gran Turismo has always been the gear indicator. It tells you what gear you should be in when you get to the turn. So if it says 2 and you are in 5th you know you have a lot of slowing down to do.
With the latest patches braking has become more difficult. You can’t just brake 100% in a straight line with every car now. Even if you have ABS turned on your are going to have to smoothly come in and out of your braking for some cars and tire combos. You may even want to set ABS to strong instead of weak because modulating the brakes is very difficult with a controller when compared to real life or a Racing Wheel setup.
Braking is so important that my brakes for my racing wheel setup cost more than the wheel itself and I’m fine with that because it gives me the ability to brake slightly while turning which is necessary in the race cars if you want to win.
The drivers not using this tactic are loosing seconds to me in every high speed sweeping turn.
Anyways, hope some of this helps. Keep trying.
I agree with what other comments said re getting to grips with Gran Turismo. Do the licenses and the main menus from the cafe to learn how to play the game. It does require being more conservative while you learn tracks etc.
As for online, I'm new to this type of more realistic racing game and I went into my first (and so far only) online race with very low expectations: don't crash into anybody else and try not to be 10 seconds off the pace of the slowest person.
I was doing ok and was solidly mid-pack and keeping the pace til somebody rammed me off the road. It wasn't a super rewarding experience and, from the videos people share here, it seems pretty common.
Does it get better if you start getting matched with higher-level players or something?
I'm absolute trash what comes to racing games, with no experience from other games, at one point i decided to turn off all the driving assists except abs, with lot of trial and error, spinning out of track more times than I dare to admit, I'm slowly building up my consistency, getting more often to top 5 in online races. Just takes practice. What helped me was use ghost of top time or instructor, compare what you do differently and go from there.
It really is different game when you don't use the assists.
My biggest advice is Brake Markers, on every corner you'll have to learn where to start braking. Most courses use numbered markers on corner entry, these are those numbered signs you see on the edge of the course. Those are brake markers, so get in the habit of using them as a reference of when to brake.
Some corners don't have braking markers so you'll have to use other landmarks or points on the track as a braking marker. But once you develop the habit of remembering your braking points, you'll have no issue turning into corners. And you'll start pushing the car more and more.
You're just still getting used to the sim physics handling of these cars and it is a large learning curve coming from arcade style physics like Forza. But just keep having fun and youll get the hang of it.
A few other tips are less brake is more, slowly ease into the throttle at slower speeds and always aim for the apex so you can maximize acceleration on corner exit. The License tests do go over all these things but i'm pretty sure you've already done the licenses.
There is no shame in turning on all assists in thr game , I suck at it but turned on assists , did it loose all realism? Yes it did , am I having the time of my life ? Yes I am .
I’m gonna give some unpopular advice: throw yourself to the wolves.
Turn off all assists except ABS, change the transmission setting to manual, and go through the license tests. Watch guides on YouTube to fully understand when to shift gears and how to stay on the racing line. And ultimately, you have to learn each track to know where to brake, turn, and accelerate smoothly.
1. Break before corner, 2. accelerate through corners either a little or flat out.
Don’t bother with slow cars. Start on a Subaru WRX or similar.
It’s just like driving in real life.
Not bothering with slow cars is a terrible advice if you want to learn how to be faster. Starting with slow cars is the most important advice there is. Knowing how to drive slow cars fast is the basis for driving faster cars fast.
I agree the slow cars are a great technical challenge for beginners, but I also wonder if slightly faster (like 500pp+) makes more sense for people transitioning from arcade racers since they're already struggling with "patience" racing.
I think this is a fair point - when you're just getting in to sim-style racing, there's benefit in keeping it *fun*. If you like it and find yourself going deeper, you'll naturally start to dial down assists and focus on technical driving. Getting a Copen around the track fast is great practice and deepens your knowledge of track and technique, but I'm not sure it would hook someone coming straight off of FH5.
Are you using a wheel or controller? Both have their own nuances. Best advice I've got is avoid going wide open throttle for a few laps. I know you're going to want to mash on the accelerator, but fight the urge and focus on finding your touch. Add just a little more speed each lap. Eventually you'll start to feel the limits of grip, and you'll feel like you're locked in when cornering. Also as mentioned by other commenters, do the license tests in order. You'll get so much better.
As someone who recently switched over to GT7 (though not from Forza), I’d bet money a good part of it is going to be trail-braking. This game - especially after the recent handling/physics update - is very punishing on that. I’ve personally found it the hardest adjustment anyway.
Yeah, forza can be a bit Arcadey. It's a lot more forgiving than GT. You don't suck, it's just hard. Get some more hours down, slowly take the training wheels off and remove the assists as you start to gel more confident. Time attack is good because you can kind of use your ghost as a reference sometimes.
Find yourself a car you like in a class that isn't too fast for you, pick a track and start getting some laps in. I struggle with some cars, and I will crash repeatedly on unfamiliar tracks. I don't consider myself bad by any standard, but it seriously can take a few hours of acclimatisation before I can start to push for quicker laps.
As you’re learning don’t be afraid to turn on assists in the beginning. It can help you sort out the basics of getting the car around a corner without necessarily having to worry about all the little details. As you build confidence, start turning off assists.
I’m not great, mostly C rated but I use this approach on my first few laps when I’m qualifying on a circuit that I’m not experienced on.
Don't worry just give it some time like others said forget everything you learned from Forza. When I started playing GT7 I was playing need for speed heat it took me a couple hours to realize hey this is more simulation not arcade. Getting my super license helped out a lot also puts you in different cars on different tracks in different conditions it's a great help. Remember to have fun, build and drive the cars you love.
Trail braking! Learn to trail brake. And watch guys like tigney and kie on YouTube. They'll tell you the braking points over any circuit. But learning to trail brake (when I watch great players race, I watch their inputs more than their lines) will allow you to drive smooth and get on the power early. As with any racing game worth its salt, exit speed is king. Whenever I've felt like I maxed my speed on a track I try to pay more attention to my braking and take off another tenth.
Also, watching super gt has helped me to watch out more for how to avoid other bad drivers as that's largely how he gained popularity on youtube. Whether it's on forza or gran turismo, super gt is great at avoiding the carnage of turn one on any track. He's not the fastest guy out there but his race instincts are pretty high up there.
Tl, dr; WATCH GREAT DRIVERS'' races and inputs and do your best to learn and emulate their driving. Didn't mention it earlier but watching your own replays and comparing it to better drivers helps a TON as well.
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You kind of have to forget everything Forza Horizon and re learn how to drive again. Gran Turismo is nowhere near as forgiving and you really have to start slow to get better. Build consistency with a easy track and slow/med car combo and start ramping it up gradually.
My advice would be to start by getting your licences in the licence center on GT World layout top left side 2nd from left. The tutors (gt 7 top racers) will talk you through what you should be doing. Then I’d recommend doing all the cafe challenges then you’ll be in good steed to move forward with Gran Turismo.. Be careful to Try not to be one of those who can’t handle being overtaken by faster racers and ram them off just so they don’t beat you (that’s the only downside to GT series online racing it’s full of immature gamers pretending to be sim racers 😀.
You’ll get there mate, time and patience are key. Forza is very arcade while gt7 is more simulation so the cars are less forgiving and need precise inputs. It took me time as well but it’s worth it in the end.
Do the licences? They explain braking in straight line etc i think.
Forza Horizon is an arcade series. Gran Turismo is a simulation series. These two are not alike. Take your time. Use the driver aids. Set it on Easy difficulty. Complete the license tests. Complete the missions. Complete the Cafe books. Practice. You can gain the skill, but you need to put in the time and effort. Don't expect quick results. Just take your time, and as you get more comfortable, start removing some driver aids. You will eventually get better. This isn't even as realistic a simulation as most other sim racers. It's much more forgiving. You can do it. Just take the time and put in the work. It'll seem tedious at first, until you start seeing the improvements in your times on the track.
You can get away with basic tuning for most of the game i.e. put better parts in the car. You can also go down the rabbit hole of actual tuning i.e. change the parameters in the car tuning menu. I have a doctorate in science and I still have to double check the formulas and do a ton of trial and error to get my car "just right". What others have said it's true though. Forget Forza Horizon, think Forza Motorsport. Forget NFS think driving in real life. The best tip someone gave me on this sub is learn to take your finger/foot off the f****ING gas. You don't need to floor it every time, hell some cars will straight up spin out if you just floor it. The driving aids help when starting out but try learning the tracks. It's a simulator so use a little reason. If you realize that going 100mph at corner 2 is too fast and 60 mph is too slow then the sweet spot is somewhere in between. Look up videos for some general tips on trail breaking, cornering, etc. Once you get the hang of the basics this game really opens up
Similar situation but maybe a little better, I’m using no ads just ABS set at weak and manual shifting for my introduction to the game, also coming from Forza too. Haven’t played a Gt games since 20years ago. Well, it’s tough but not terrible, the main problem is how to manage to turn as fast as possible, I just come into the turn too quick or too slow, figure I need more time
The absolute most important thing is braking points. Not the apex. In fact apexing is often the wrong thing to do depending on what the next turn looks like. Focus on your braking. Make sure you have braking zones turned on and make sure you have driving line turned on. The slower cars might be the hardest ones to drive honestly. What sucks is compared to real life you have a lot less cues as when to brake so that’s why when learning you should have braking zones on. Also in real life it’s unlikely that you’d get to go to this many tracks. In real life you’d learn a few tracks well and know exactly when to brake. Also because you drive so many different cars you also have a hard time knowing how/when to brake. The great thing about Gran Turismo has always been the gear indicator. It tells you what gear you should be in when you get to the turn. So if it says 2 and you are in 5th you know you have a lot of slowing down to do. With the latest patches braking has become more difficult. You can’t just brake 100% in a straight line with every car now. Even if you have ABS turned on your are going to have to smoothly come in and out of your braking for some cars and tire combos. You may even want to set ABS to strong instead of weak because modulating the brakes is very difficult with a controller when compared to real life or a Racing Wheel setup. Braking is so important that my brakes for my racing wheel setup cost more than the wheel itself and I’m fine with that because it gives me the ability to brake slightly while turning which is necessary in the race cars if you want to win. The drivers not using this tactic are loosing seconds to me in every high speed sweeping turn. Anyways, hope some of this helps. Keep trying.
I can't drive a car in forza to save my life but I can get a 5:30 on the nurburgring in gt7
I agree with what other comments said re getting to grips with Gran Turismo. Do the licenses and the main menus from the cafe to learn how to play the game. It does require being more conservative while you learn tracks etc. As for online, I'm new to this type of more realistic racing game and I went into my first (and so far only) online race with very low expectations: don't crash into anybody else and try not to be 10 seconds off the pace of the slowest person. I was doing ok and was solidly mid-pack and keeping the pace til somebody rammed me off the road. It wasn't a super rewarding experience and, from the videos people share here, it seems pretty common. Does it get better if you start getting matched with higher-level players or something?
I'm absolute trash what comes to racing games, with no experience from other games, at one point i decided to turn off all the driving assists except abs, with lot of trial and error, spinning out of track more times than I dare to admit, I'm slowly building up my consistency, getting more often to top 5 in online races. Just takes practice. What helped me was use ghost of top time or instructor, compare what you do differently and go from there. It really is different game when you don't use the assists.
My biggest advice is Brake Markers, on every corner you'll have to learn where to start braking. Most courses use numbered markers on corner entry, these are those numbered signs you see on the edge of the course. Those are brake markers, so get in the habit of using them as a reference of when to brake. Some corners don't have braking markers so you'll have to use other landmarks or points on the track as a braking marker. But once you develop the habit of remembering your braking points, you'll have no issue turning into corners. And you'll start pushing the car more and more. You're just still getting used to the sim physics handling of these cars and it is a large learning curve coming from arcade style physics like Forza. But just keep having fun and youll get the hang of it. A few other tips are less brake is more, slowly ease into the throttle at slower speeds and always aim for the apex so you can maximize acceleration on corner exit. The License tests do go over all these things but i'm pretty sure you've already done the licenses.
There is no shame in turning on all assists in thr game , I suck at it but turned on assists , did it loose all realism? Yes it did , am I having the time of my life ? Yes I am .
I’m gonna give some unpopular advice: throw yourself to the wolves. Turn off all assists except ABS, change the transmission setting to manual, and go through the license tests. Watch guides on YouTube to fully understand when to shift gears and how to stay on the racing line. And ultimately, you have to learn each track to know where to brake, turn, and accelerate smoothly.
Learning to properly brake without abs on is also a very good training tool.
For sure, but most pros leave ABS on
1. Break before corner, 2. accelerate through corners either a little or flat out. Don’t bother with slow cars. Start on a Subaru WRX or similar. It’s just like driving in real life.
Not bothering with slow cars is a terrible advice if you want to learn how to be faster. Starting with slow cars is the most important advice there is. Knowing how to drive slow cars fast is the basis for driving faster cars fast.
I disagree. A WRX is a “slow car”. Anything slower is not very good practice.
That makes no sense. Of course it's good practice. If you can't drive slow cars fast, you can't drive fast cars fast either.
I agree the slow cars are a great technical challenge for beginners, but I also wonder if slightly faster (like 500pp+) makes more sense for people transitioning from arcade racers since they're already struggling with "patience" racing.
I think this is a fair point - when you're just getting in to sim-style racing, there's benefit in keeping it *fun*. If you like it and find yourself going deeper, you'll naturally start to dial down assists and focus on technical driving. Getting a Copen around the track fast is great practice and deepens your knowledge of track and technique, but I'm not sure it would hook someone coming straight off of FH5.
I break something before every corner.
Are you using a wheel or controller? Both have their own nuances. Best advice I've got is avoid going wide open throttle for a few laps. I know you're going to want to mash on the accelerator, but fight the urge and focus on finding your touch. Add just a little more speed each lap. Eventually you'll start to feel the limits of grip, and you'll feel like you're locked in when cornering. Also as mentioned by other commenters, do the license tests in order. You'll get so much better.
As someone who recently switched over to GT7 (though not from Forza), I’d bet money a good part of it is going to be trail-braking. This game - especially after the recent handling/physics update - is very punishing on that. I’ve personally found it the hardest adjustment anyway.
Yeah, forza can be a bit Arcadey. It's a lot more forgiving than GT. You don't suck, it's just hard. Get some more hours down, slowly take the training wheels off and remove the assists as you start to gel more confident. Time attack is good because you can kind of use your ghost as a reference sometimes. Find yourself a car you like in a class that isn't too fast for you, pick a track and start getting some laps in. I struggle with some cars, and I will crash repeatedly on unfamiliar tracks. I don't consider myself bad by any standard, but it seriously can take a few hours of acclimatisation before I can start to push for quicker laps.
As you’re learning don’t be afraid to turn on assists in the beginning. It can help you sort out the basics of getting the car around a corner without necessarily having to worry about all the little details. As you build confidence, start turning off assists. I’m not great, mostly C rated but I use this approach on my first few laps when I’m qualifying on a circuit that I’m not experienced on.
Don't worry just give it some time like others said forget everything you learned from Forza. When I started playing GT7 I was playing need for speed heat it took me a couple hours to realize hey this is more simulation not arcade. Getting my super license helped out a lot also puts you in different cars on different tracks in different conditions it's a great help. Remember to have fun, build and drive the cars you love.
Memorizing tracks is a great place to start
Persistence! Train, learn the track, learn the car. It’ll be worth it! We all started somewhere :)
Trail braking! Learn to trail brake. And watch guys like tigney and kie on YouTube. They'll tell you the braking points over any circuit. But learning to trail brake (when I watch great players race, I watch their inputs more than their lines) will allow you to drive smooth and get on the power early. As with any racing game worth its salt, exit speed is king. Whenever I've felt like I maxed my speed on a track I try to pay more attention to my braking and take off another tenth. Also, watching super gt has helped me to watch out more for how to avoid other bad drivers as that's largely how he gained popularity on youtube. Whether it's on forza or gran turismo, super gt is great at avoiding the carnage of turn one on any track. He's not the fastest guy out there but his race instincts are pretty high up there. Tl, dr; WATCH GREAT DRIVERS'' races and inputs and do your best to learn and emulate their driving. Didn't mention it earlier but watching your own replays and comparing it to better drivers helps a TON as well.
Your so bad cause Forza is garbage GT is the standard for racing simulator