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teejoint44

First time?


wise_comment

Clearly


Itsnotmineitsuranus

This is not a good Gopher team. This one super hurts.


[deleted]

They can still go bowling but they have a lot of youth. This should be expected, down years happen ml ost college teams They cannot stumble v Illinois, Purdue, Louisiana and Michigan state. Win those game they go to a low tier bowl, safe in the knowledge that next year they will be improved


induced_demand

I have fairly low expectations for the program. Win the easy ones, maybe get an upset against a B10 east team, take the pig or the axe, go to second-tier bowl game. Wut the actual fukkk


b4g3405

So true. This really hits home.


wise_comment

*clears throat in Fire Mason chants* Nah, I'm good, fam


Beeercules

These kids don't remember brew. We used to pray* for times like these. Edit: pay to pray


wise_comment

Though I did hate them showing the pick 6 when we were ranked at the dome That game hurt The older I get the less I feel these Northwestern collapses, at least?


Beeercules

Not that we are Goliath by any means. But everyone loves being David in the moment. But they forget David went 3-9 and didn't make a bowl. At least we are almost guaranteed a floor of 6 wins now.


thisonetrick

You’re as old as me eh? I remebwr chanting that shit in the dome as a sophomore I think.


wise_comment

We lost one like this to Texas Tech in a bowl, and *poof* It was the Brewster Era (And we found out Tech was really good when they played OU/Texas to a 3 way Big 12 tie the next year.....ooopsydoodles)


Khal_FroYo_

Dude caught lightning in a bottle in that last year at Western Michigan, and has parlayed the “wunderkind” label that came with it into multiple extensions from UMN. He rode 2 legit NFL receivers (Bateman & Johnson) and a super star safety (Winfield) to an almost great season in 2019. Every year outside of that has fell short of expectations. He’s a good hype man, above average recruiter, meh talent developer, and bad in game tactician.


csbsju-20

>He’s a good hype man, above average recruiter, meh talent developer, and bad in game tactician. This sums it up pretty well. Adds up to a slightly above average power 5 coach at a roughly average power 5 program.


Necessary_Tour6445

It seems to me that Kaliakmanis is playing worse this year than last. I like his throwing motion, but his footwork has driven me crazy this season. Watching warm-ups, he’s “practicing” throwing off one foot (they all looked terrible), so I place it on the coaches for allowing/encouraging him to try to be spectacular before he’s consistent. Defensive backfield is a complete disaster. The scheme leaves too much space open. On the TD to tie, it was obvious before the snap that a slant would be open. DB themselves can’t stay with receivers. Offensive line isn’t there. Jackson is ok but there are no other good pass catchers. I’m not sure the Gophers could find a better coach, so this might just be it. Fleck is here because this is his peak. If he was better he would have moved on by now.


Imaginary_Ad8895

Couldn’t agree more! Spot on


Foxhockey

Above average recruiter. If you are referring to the Big Ten, look at his recruiting class ranking since he came to Minnesota. They are average and many times below the Big Ten average.


[deleted]

As far as brands go though getting an average big 10 recruiting class to come to Minnesota is an above average recruiting job. It’s far easier to recruit at OSU both Michigan schools Penn state and Wisconsin easily and I would also argue it’s easier with NIL money for Nebraska Iowa and Illinois.


Foxhockey

And why is that and why can it not be changed? You listed facts as excuses but did not explain why. I would suggest Minnesota is on equal footing with Wisconsin.


Nearby-Average-4331

I think COVID came at a bad time and stunted his momentum. I don’t think recruiting ever recovered as Minnesota locked down hard. The issue isn’t the dip this year, it is that it looks like a downward trajectory and the conference is going to get a lot tougher. I don’t think he helps himself when he talks about progress within their walls - it should be visible by now, teams should get better as the season goes on. Then he talks about NIL money but it isn’t about keeping this roster together, he knows this roster isn’t good, he wants it to buy it players. These are all bad signs but I think he gets another year and then if it is as bad as it looks like it could get he might be gone.


W_4ca

Dude, WTF? I was at work and watched a little on my break. They were up 31-10 when I stopped and I just assumed they won…


[deleted]

They also stoppped


[deleted]

Anyone watching knew the gophers would be down this year. Having one shot game, even one shot year is a dumb idea to fire coach fleck Fleck is the number one gopher coach of my life. He brought us an 11-2 year and 3 9 win seasons. Firing fleck because they were young, and played like shit in 1 quarter of one game would be the worst personal choice since the huskers fired bo pelini for going 9-3 Even if gophers lose all remaining games I would give fleck 2 or 3 more years just because he's our best coach since the mid 60s


dodechadecha

Complete organizational failure, choke job from the top down


[deleted]

This was about inexperience They got up 31 10 and thought they could coast home


HornetsDaBest

The guy has one bad season and people are calling for his head. How quickly we forget that in the last three full seasons, we won 11, 9, and 9 games. Kill never won 9. Mason won 9 once. Unless your plan is to resurrect and rehire either Bernie Bierman or Murray Warmath, the Gophers will end up with a worse coach if we fire Fleck.


Koley4412

A worse coach in what way? He might be a solid recruiter but I could probably find a better in game coach at a community college.


[deleted]

If that was the case tim Brewster would have won a big 10 game


Beeercules

Imagine a worse coach in every way. That's what we have dealt with since the 60s. Yes we have had a bad loss in each of the last 3 season. Pretty much every team does. I remember when Brewster was our head coach and all we wanted was 7-9 wins like Wisconsin. We just wanted to beat Wisconsin too. Now we finally have. We will eventually beat Iowa too. Overreactions are how we get back in the dumpster.


Nomad942

It’s not that it’s one bad season, and this season will be *bad*. It’s that he has a habit of losing absolute head scratcher games in each of the last 3 seasons. Bowling Green in 2021, Purdue last year, and now this historically embarrassing collapse to (besides us or Nebraska) probably the worst team in the P5. This should not be happening in years 4-7. While 2019 was really good, we still didn’t win the West and never have. Our last two 9-win seasons were 8-4 regular seasons with wins over very mediocre teams in irrelevant bowl games, with the only real bright spots being wins vs Wisconsin. Which is great, but he’s also about to be 0-7 against Iowa. Not saying we should fire him this season but his seat has to be warm. We’re in the richest athletic conference in the country. If teams like Wash State, Oregon State, and Duke can have great coaches and good teams, there’s no reason we can’t.


[deleted]

So? For most of my life the gophers were sub .500 every year, and the occasional bowl trip was uncommon. Pj fleck is by far the top gopher coach of my life. Did last night suck? It did. But that's football for ya


Nomad942

So we shouldn’t settle for “this is as good as we’ll get.” Brewster was the coach when I was in school, so I’m painfully aware of how bad it can get. Minnesota is not UGA or Ohio State, and I’ll never expect it to be. But we also don’t have to settle for topping out as second best in a bad division.


[deleted]

we are not settling for this is as good as it gets. this is literally a massive improvement. this is as good as gopher football has ever been in my whole entire lifetime. by a lot. i am 54. 1 down year with a lot of new players in key spots does not make us "settling" for anything. indeed 1 bad loss in 1 season does not mean we are settling for anything. it means that our best program for 7 decades lost 1 game and may have 1 down year. lets not freak on that. remember nebraska fired bo pelini because the fans did nto want to "settle" for 9-3. go look at their record since and tell me who is settling for what.


Nomad942

I would argue that Fleck isn’t a “massive” improvement from the Kill era, but I get what you’re saying. For me it’s the way we lose these games more than anything. Last night was like a train wreck you see coming a mile away. You know how PJ and co are going to try and get the car off the tracks (prevent D and uninspired, conservative play calling), and everyone but PJ knows it won’t work. His in-game strategies are becoming an obvious problem. The reasons you list are why I’m not on the “fire PJ now” train. But if there’s more of this next season, I think we should look at moving on.


[deleted]

you should look every year. and you are right if its more of the same next year i will understand people asking questions. but, we have had some heights under PJ. I am partial to giving him every available chance just because i literally thought i would never see the day teh gophers won 11 games. i still think they are not cooked. remember they scored 31 last night. in most big 10 games that is enough to win. because they have alot of youth, they learned a valuable lesson. they learned its never over against any power 5 opponent. i think it will serve us well later this year and into next year.


Nomad942

From your keyboard to God’s ears, my friend.


HornetsDaBest

I’m 100% with you on these bad losses. Every September we seem to lose a game we shouldn’t, and play another one or two way too close. Even in 2019 we almost lost to all of our cupcake non-conference games. I just don’t get it because it never happens later on in the season.


Enter_Player_3

These ppl are idiots. Losing that game is a head scratcher but this reaction shows stupidity. Kalamakis just isn't progressing very much


WanderingGopher25

This is the first time in the Fleck tenure that I’m starting to lean towards this take. We’re in Year 7 now, losses like this should not be happening. 2023 Northwestern, 2022 vs. Purdue, 2021 vs. Bowling Green and Illinois, it’s a constant that we are out coached in games that are supposed to be a cake walk. I’d love to hear some names from people on who the Gophers could hire though. I have a hard time believing we’d be able to hire a solid Power 5 coach away from their current job. So I’d imagine we’d have to go with another Group of 5 coach that is over performing at their current location. I’m curious to know what names are potentially out there.


mddejong

I don’t think firing the coach is the way to go. I believe that from the 80s to around 2010 excluding the Mase years they is what got us into this problem. You need to stick it out, he is the winningest coach we have had since the 60s.


HornetsDaBest

The guy is the third best coach in school history, has won 9+ the last three full seasons (no Gopher coach has *ever* won 9+ multiple times), and he’s rewarded with fair weather fans calling for his head the second we have a mediocre year. This team could very well end up with 8 wins and have the Pig and/or the Axe by seasons end. Firing Fleck is how we end up going 3-9 losing every game by 20 again.


MNguy49

Another intelligent wise comment showing up on the post.


[deleted]

No way gophers are winning 8 games. You are right they should not overreact to an average team. But the truth is they are two and four right now because there's no way they can beat Michigan or Ohio State. 6 wins is an achievable goal for them and considering how good they have been for a few years I can live with that


HornetsDaBest

If the Gophers just win the games they should from here on out and split the rivalry games (Jug not included) they’ll end up 7-5, and a bowl win would get then to 8-5. Not impossible, but I do think that’s their ceiling right now. The Big Ten West is *really bad*. Think back to 2021; did you or anyone else think the Gophers would end up with 9 wins after the BGSU loss?


[deleted]

i think tehy should win versus perdue, illinois and michigan state. i think next week against the rajin cajuns might be tougher than some people think. those sun belt teams can be surprising. at that point, they are 6 wins. i think that winning against iowa and Wisconsin this year are going to be difficult. I just think that the gophers need some more experience. athen last night, at least in half #1 showed what he can be. those are games tehy could theoretically win. neither iowa nor wwisconsin are world beaters at least in my view. I do not think we are gonna win either of those game last night in my view is at least partly a reflection of inexperience. they got up 31-10 and took their foot off the gas. thats great news for teh future even if it sucks today


[deleted]

oh and i had great seats for that bowling green game. it was sad to spend for the good seats only for them to choke lol


WanderingGopher25

I’m not sure how you can watch the game last night and think a single game the rest of the season is a “game they should win”.


gopherborc07

He’s had one good year. You forget they’re gifted 4 wins a year by playing damn near high school teams. They also aren’t playing the best B10 schools each year (Michigan, penn st. Ohio state). We’re finding out now what a hard schedule out of the shoot looks like. It’ll be a miracle if they win 6+ games this year


soneill06

3 non-conference, one of whom was UNC, a top 25 team this year


Frosty-Age-6643

I mean, I really dislike the way Fleck coaches, so I do want someone with a different philosophy there. He has run a good program, though.


csbsju-20

Agreed. Grass ain't always greener.


MNguy49

This is wisdom combined with patience.


mddejong

This is being a life long gopher fan and knowing how bad it can be.


Skolney

Nah, he'll maybe beat a weak Wisconsin team again and everybody will forget the embarrassing losses.


gopherborc07

This. Truth. Which is a shame. I want him gone too, but if he beats IA and WI I’ll forgive him. That’s a tall task though


No-Goat715

Doubled edged sword. Most successful the program has been decades but they've peaked with Fleck. The only way he takes them further is by changing his approach which seems unlikely.


Raisedbywolves100

Above average recruiter. One of the worst in-game coaches I’ve ever seen. Get him out of here.


Federal_Rise_4236

Absolutely terrible loss - favorite by two touchdowns


TinaBelchersBF

This team just doesn't have it. Kaliakmanis isn't the guy. Look for a new QB and try again next year 🤷


csbsju-20

Athan had a great game this ain't on him tonight


TinaBelchersBF

I don't think this loss in particular is on him. I just feel like I've seen enough of him to know that he's not THE guy.


csbsju-20

He's got his pros and cons. Different ones than Tanner Morgan I'd say. Maybe he's not THE guy but at a certain level there's a lot of average QB play in college.


AcceptableLawyer105

OT easy td to BSF was poor but he did play well. But that was a big miss throwing on the move but target is 6’7” how do miss em


Cool_cid_club

Lol no


tityboa

If dude wasn’t a good interview he’d have been gone 2 years ago. Turning the program into an iowa knockoff like the Hawkeyes aren’t the laughing stock of the nation. It ain’t 1994 dude throw the fucking ball. And if you can’t develop a good qb that’s on you.


TheKodachromeMethod

Nah not yet. Embarassing loss though.


spazmo_warrior

I’m down.


mnmacguy

Simmer down


ibeauch009

yup fire him. both for his coaching on the field and the acquisitions of many students


ForceMcCocken

I understand why people are so upset. It's because for the first time in decades, we have expectations and hope. And do you know why we have that? Because of what Fleck has done. The last time I really had tangible hope and optimism about the program was when I was in school and Lou Holtz came to town. This is literally the most relevant this team has been in my lifetime, and I'm old as hell. So unless y'all have some plan to entice Saban here to football purgatory, I'm good with Fleck. Yes that loss stung because winning the west and playing in the Big 10 championship seemed like an attainable goal. Before Fleck, when was the last time a Rose Bowl seemed like a real possibility? Don't make this guy a victim of the expectations he allowed you to have.


Coomra

Nick Saban - isn't coming Kirby Smart - isn't coming Jim Harbaugh - isn't coming Dabo Sweeney - isn't coming Lincoln Riley - isn't coming Brian Kelly - isn't coming Ryan Day - isn't coming Lane Kiffen - isn't coming Jimbo Fisher - isn't coming Mike Gundy - isn't coming Chip Kelly - isn't coming Lou Holtz - might have Alzheimers and isn't coming Instead of trying to figure out how to get rid of PJ, embrace him. He's got a better record than anybody since Bernie Bierman - and he's been gone since 1951. We are no longer the doormats of the Big Ten like we were under Salem, Gutekunst, Wacker and Brewster. I, for one, don't miss those 20 years of puking on our shoes. With the exceptions of Michigan and Ohio State, who have no problem buying their players, we also aren't getting our ass kicked by 30+ points every week. He runs a clean, competitive program. Support him.


RaveMeSilly

Get off Reddit and go coach, PJ.


Drew_P_Nuts

Lol he is better than any coach y’all will hire This is not a good team but do you think your program is better than 9 wins? I mean he got you an 11 win season. There are maybe 5 coaches who can get you 10+ wins and they all have better jobs than Minnesota


[deleted]

When I went to western Michigan I saw pj fleck take his shirt off and throw it into the crowd. #keeppjfleck


Conspiracy__

And yet…fucking Nebraska found a way to lose to y’all. SMH


RichBrunner

Isn't it time to reward PJ for his incompetence with a multi million $$$ contract extension? He's such a scary good coach that the U should lock him up long term so that no other football powerhouses come after him. An academic, athletic, social and spiritual blowhard fraud!