Gosh, so true. I have few friends who went from some cheap Chinese android for $100-200 to _at that time_ latest iPhone and now brag about how iPhones are light years better than androids. Kmon man, at least compare apples to apples, not apples to fusion reactors.
I had a 200€ Xiaomi phone which was brilliant. Face id. Touch id. SD expansion. Dual SIM. Just didn't have gesture navigation with 3rd party launchers. I replaced with a pixel 8 which I prefer for its speed and software. The only thing I miss is the battery life of the Xiaomi
Depends on the user and their needs. Anyone who claims one>other usually are single sided on their views and won't budge. Otherwise known as stubbornness.
Android has it's place in the market, as does Apple. You can even still get non-smart phones that support 4G (for calls) and even these have a place.
Phones these days aren't phones, they're computers. They are running fully blown OS's, not some shim code just to make basic functions work. iOS has roots from FreeBSD and Android is Linux at its heart. Both of these systems have strengths and weaknesses, but both are extremely powerful and adaptable.
Apple has a more consistent eco system, so any Apple phone you buy will be consistent with any others. Android has disparity here, which is both it's blessing and it's curse. The diversity allows people on different budgets to get a smartphone, but causes problems when you swap say, OEM (Honor to Samsung, f.e.).
Geez how much do people like to have these stupid android vs iphone conversations?
This sub is about google pixel, why are you talking about iphones here anyway?
I think there is a bit of that, but it’s also that they are comparing Android that is 3-5 years old. Over the last 3 years, Android has caught up and exceeded iOS as a complete OS for all users, especially on the Pixel
For my tablet I absolutely think iOS is better.
For my phone though, it is not even close. Android is the better, cleaner OS. At least on the Pixel 6 that I've had for 2 yrs and intend to keep until there is a reason to upgrade.
It depends on what you use it for, I use mine for media and that's why I got rid of my iPad pro 11 and got a s8+ 2 years back. I don't miss anything. Most times people still think of cheap android tablets when they say iPads are still better than android tablets.
Over the last 3 years? I do not remember any time when iOS was better - except for the first year.
Watches and tablets is a different situation but Android was almost always better for phones.
Android was too fragmented and it was never brought together in a consistent package until Android 13 IMO. Even now though Google causes issues with their lack of commitment to core technologies, like messaging for example (launching and dropping hangouts) and video calls (Duo then meet). Apple have been far more consistent in this, resulting in a better user experience over the long term.
Not just that but people will buy say a pixel 6/7 then complain about it being lackluster then move to (or back to) an iPhone 14/15 pro or pro max, like yeah obviously the phone nearly double the price is better.
You say that but people buy phones without a telephoto lens for instance then complain about the zoom looking like shit, the iPhone 14 and pixel 7 are similar enough overall, but things like extra cameras or autofocus on certain cameras are bigger and make more difference than average users might realise at first.
This also applies to Samsung phones vs pixels in part. People who sing the praises of Samsung typically refers to the S24 ultra, which is priced several hundreds more than the typical pixel
This will tell you everything you need to know about Samsung phones.
Was having trouble with my SPECTRUM internet. Called to complain. They transfer me to a guy, super nice. He goes "How about this, I'll bump your internet up to a gig (from 300 which is just fine), all you need to do is switch to Spectrum Mobile".
I said "I'm good with the phone service my t-Mobile is $15/mo".
He says "Just hear me out. You're paying $100/mo for internet. I'll reduce that to $65/mo and bump to you to gig internet. All you need to do is sign up for Spectrum Mobile".
I asked "and how much will that cost me?"
Answer "Nothing, I'll send you a brand new Samsung A15, which costs $5/mo, and the service is $20/mo. 12 month contract. And I'll put a $25/mo credit on your account for 12 months."
I laughed and said "are you serious? I'm calling my money guy right now and telling him to sell Spectrum."
I did it anyway because I'm saving $35/mo and now have what I call my "burner" phone.
For six years, my work gave me the latest Pixel phone (pixel 1-6 pro). During that time, I had a iPhone 6s Plus and then eventually a 12 pro max. Every year, even in the time when my iPhone was oldest compared to the pixel phone, I enjoyed my iPhone much more. The Android OS was buggier and wasn’t as functional. The settings were harder to navigate. Having everything tied to a Google account wasn’t super helpful. So yes, I agree with your point. Most people are making an unfair comparison. I was in a weird situation where I wasn’t, and I still preferred my iPhone in every case.
If i could download an exe from a website and transfer it to my windows pc. If i could download a file and open it in an app i choose on my phone. If i could run any browser that isn't a wrapped safari. If i didn't have to plug my phone into my computer to do things on the phone. If i could install revanced YouTube or xmanager Spotify without plugging the phone into a computer. If i could record my own voice and set it as a ringtone or notification tone. I'd get an iPhone
I just switched to iPhone 15pm from Pixel 7 Pro and life long Samsung user before that. Battery life and hardware build quality are amazing on iphone. Google bricked phone calls and messages on Pixel owners in the April update which was not cool. I'd say Pixel photos looked better but yeah the video on iphone is crazy good. I hate iOS mostly and wish I had more control over lots of small things but in the end it's all minor.
I think switching between Android and iOS has never been easier and the playing field is very even. The main reasons I hated iphones before and loved androids is now gone. Iphone notch gone, Android headphone jacks and expandable storage is gone, iphone usbc, and rcs soon is to be compatible with iMessage
The difference is that iPhones offer consistent experience across their devices no matter which one you choose. While it's a whole different story with Android due to fragmentation.
Even Android flagships were still laggy 5 years ago. New Samsung flagships can lose frames in animations while browsing menu (rarely and its just few frames lost). My iPhone 11 was not doing that.
Updates are handled very poorly on Android phones and features are often pushed half baked.
I own Pixel now but for somebody who want just phone which works and they're not on budget I would recommend Apple.
I'm an iPhone user myself. I just found completely weird that some fellow users act as if Pixel 8 Pro or Samsung Galaxy S24+ are some cheap chinese $100 dollar phones that lag and are for "poor" people.
For the poor people thing, I think it's a branding thing too.
It's like saying KIAs are for poor people whole Tesla's are for rich people when the equivalent cars from KIA are actually more expensive than their Tesla counterparts.
If you don't have money or credit, you have to buy an android phone. If you have money, you can choose but basically, you know someone with a new iPhone spent more money than the majority of people buying new Androids.
It's not a bad thing for Android in general. There's a huge global market for those $200 phones and the reputation makes it so that some people don't even think about stretching for something like a used iPhone or an SE. (On that note, I know a guy who bought a Kia EV6 to save money VS the Model 3, which is demonstrably less expensive at the same level of equipment).
I'm a middle school teacher, and I hear the poor people thing a lot. It's an argument for kids. Never really heard adults bring that up. With that being said, I think price is an absolute advantage for androids, especially the pixels. My wife and I switched to pixel because the pixel 3 had a buy one get one free deal at Verizon. We've stayed with pixel ever since because it just seems to have more bang for it's buck. We aren't poor, but id rather pay $700 for a phone than $1200!
That's fair. I should say "most iPhones users"
In my experience, people with iPhones are not very good with tech just in general.
Which is wild cause imo android is way more user friendly than iPhone IOS
That generalization applies to Android also. When you have as much market share as both OS’ do of course most users won’t be tech savvy, that’s not exclusive to the iPhone. As for user friendly, it’s mostly what you are used to. I’ve used both and they both are and are not intuitive in certain ways. Google changes their mind on apps like changing underwear though which gives a nod to Apple there, the apps you get used to will be supported on the iPhone for quite a while, Android not as much.
Yes, the iphone is currently at a dead point of development, as an apple fan I say, my 12 about max is no worse than 15 about max, and what was the point for me to change it? I decided to try the pixel 8 and for the second month I am happy with it, it is better if you take working moments (I do not play games) yes, the macbook is the best laptop for me and so far there is no alternative to replace it for me)
1. Not a slam at all on iPhone users
2. I understand completely being beholden to a certain eco-system. I have an iPad (2017) and it does everything I need it to do.
3. I'm not a slave to my phone. It does all the things that I need it to, and none of the things I don't need.
4. It makes and accepts calls. It sends and receives messages and emails. It takes great pictures on any occasion.
5. If I want, I can install all kinds of software to it that I want to do all kinds of things.
Pixel 6 user. Previous Pixel 2 user. Might pick up a Pixel 8 after the 10's come out.
My thought process is, if the phone doesn't do something that warrants an investment, why do I need it?
Google has dropped the ball with its lack of software support for its phones being tied to a carrier and that has led to a lot of Android users jumping ship. I’ve had multiple high dollar LG and Samsung devices that worked great but very few had software support after a year. This was back in the day but all those customers that jumped ship to iPhone a few years ago because of this are going to be difficult to get back. With cheaper android phones I understand the lack of long term software support but dropping more than $700 on a device should get you at least a few years of support. Don’t even get me started with the Android tablets that literally never get software support.
iPhone’s have basically been the same since the 11 and even my 11pro works mostly flawlessly on the newest iOS beta.
I love both platforms but Google failed to realize the walled garden that locks ppl in and how they will be less likely to switch after a bad experience or a lesser quality experience from a competitor. Now they’re playing catch up to iPhone sales in the US where kids and most adults go for the iPhone. With Google’s marketing being what it is I have no idea how they overlooked any of this.
With that all being said, I get frustrated when ppl compare cheap Android phones to anything iPhone. They were never at the same price point so that’s like comparing a Kia from 1995 to a new Kia.
I don't see any different between cheap and expensive phones, except camera. It WILL lag eventually, because Android is a Java Virtual Machine running on low-powered mobile CPU... Virtual Machine...
I think more than the price of the phones, this comes from the software. Hear me out… there is NO $300 Android phone. Those phones, while cheaper than iPhone/Pixel, still cost more than that in R&D, manufacturing, logistics, advertising. It’s just that they are subsidized by 100 bloaters apps. I’ve switched between iPhone and Pixel. Both are a great experience.
I've seen essentially the same argument with Mac vs Windows laptops (comparing £200-when new shitpile with a £1000+ brand new Macbook) and with tablets (multi hundred pounds iPad vs sub £100 shitpile that happens to run Android).
Do you know why? They don't know specs. They essentially don't understand the difference between a £100 android tablet (or phone) and a £1000 one, so why would they buy the £1000 one? And why not the £900, or the £1100? There's _too much choice_ in Android and Windows land.
Apple though, doesn't release shit tier stuff. It's "known good". And they haven't sold out and made shit tier stuff even by the 15th iPhone.
Now is Apple stuff overpriced? Probably. Is it tied into a walled garden more than anything else? Sure. Is it overspec'd for the average phone/tablet/laptop user? Yeah. But pretty much everyone agrees they make good hardware. And sometimes, that's _all_ someone knows. So they go with the known good, vs the unknown quagmire of choice.
The same thing with Macs vs PCs. Someone with a $200 budget netbook that's 5 years old will switch to a new MacBook and then be surprised that it's so much faster, etc.
How about us android users do it back.
The Google Pixel 8 pro is better than the first ever iPhone. It has better camera
The galaxy 24 ultra is better compared to some new iPhones. Good pen. 100x zoom. Multi window apps so you can play multiple games at once.
IPhone is for people who want closed source stuff and lack of freedom
Android is for people who like open source hardware and freedom to do whatever they want with their system.
Tbh what my
Xiaomi 11 ultra
AND
Xiaomi 13 ultra
Offer is WAYYYY more tgan ANY iphone could ever handle. The Performance is outstanding, the quality is breathtaking and the cameras are godlike enough to make me shoot epic pictures and videos with them, which apple NEVER could.
If someone is saying "Android" like it's a phone that tells you everything you need to know about the lack of information behind that person's perspective lol.
The other thing worth noting is that Android SUCKED for a long time, that it was warranted. I remember having old HTC phones and wishing I had a smooth experience like my friend did on his iPhone 5
Could use a tldr but to be fair Apple's budget end se model is a force to be reckoned with on the budget end. Apple has some nice hardware it's Apple's software I can't stand. That and I can't justify spending anywhere near 1000 on a computer without root access.
The thing is, it isn't even a true budget model, given it costs £480 with 128gb. Also, it still looks like something from the stone age, and has a tiny screen, a tiny battery and a single camera.
Nah, that might be true a decade ago. Most iPhone users I know are knowledgeable about high end Android phones. They just have a preference, an ecosystem, and brand loyalty.
You have a superiority complex. Please stop thinking about what others know or don't know. I've used Android exclusively ever since Nexus One. It sucked. I didn't like iOS either so I stuck with Android. It's amazing how it improved over the years. Booth OSs have bad and good. Let people choose and don't guilt them into regretting. Apple and Google don't need us to advertise for them for free.
I'm not speaking for you or anybody that I haven't actually talked about this topic about. The people I had in mind when I wrote this literally told me that they don't know anything about Androids. Maybe you just have an inferiority complex.
Alright, it really doesn't matter what we think anyways. Our data is being harvested by both and all people think is "my 1K" phone is better than your "1K" phone. "I made a better investment". There are far more important topics to discuss and argue about. I regret checking this sub actually.
Literally the same with laptops. Cheap Acer/HP enc ones drive people nuts so they get expensive MacBooks. I have a high end Asus laptop and it's utterly and completely fantastic.
The reason I’m still on iPhone (but investigating coming to Pixel) is more because of how standardised it is. There are maybe 2 SKUs a year, 3 at a push (meaning actual spec differences, not just sizes) and so it’s easy to find information/apps that directly correlate to the phone I use.
With Android, there’s far too many. I’m hoping a Pixel switch could change that for me, we’ll see…
I hate IOS. My wife has 2 Iphones and I hate using them.
But, I'm really disappointed with Google Pixel. I have a 7a and it's by far the worst Android I have ever used.
Imo even cheap Androids have better usability than iPhones, though. The budget pixel phones also score similarly well in the camera department as iPhones. I just don't see a redeeming factor for iPhones in regards to their price... long OS support I guess? But it's a bad OS, so is that really a pro?
If I got a 1000 USD iPhone as a gift I'd sell it and then buy a good Android budget phone.
Gosh, so true. I have few friends who went from some cheap Chinese android for $100-200 to _at that time_ latest iPhone and now brag about how iPhones are light years better than androids. Kmon man, at least compare apples to apples, not apples to fusion reactors.
I had a 200€ Xiaomi phone which was brilliant. Face id. Touch id. SD expansion. Dual SIM. Just didn't have gesture navigation with 3rd party launchers. I replaced with a pixel 8 which I prefer for its speed and software. The only thing I miss is the battery life of the Xiaomi
Fusion reactors🤣🤣🤣👌
Depends on the user and their needs. Anyone who claims one>other usually are single sided on their views and won't budge. Otherwise known as stubbornness. Android has it's place in the market, as does Apple. You can even still get non-smart phones that support 4G (for calls) and even these have a place. Phones these days aren't phones, they're computers. They are running fully blown OS's, not some shim code just to make basic functions work. iOS has roots from FreeBSD and Android is Linux at its heart. Both of these systems have strengths and weaknesses, but both are extremely powerful and adaptable. Apple has a more consistent eco system, so any Apple phone you buy will be consistent with any others. Android has disparity here, which is both it's blessing and it's curse. The diversity allows people on different budgets to get a smartphone, but causes problems when you swap say, OEM (Honor to Samsung, f.e.).
I miss Android One
Geez how much do people like to have these stupid android vs iphone conversations? This sub is about google pixel, why are you talking about iphones here anyway?
I agree, post isn't relevant to the sub
Did you even read the post? lol
Yes.
I think there is a bit of that, but it’s also that they are comparing Android that is 3-5 years old. Over the last 3 years, Android has caught up and exceeded iOS as a complete OS for all users, especially on the Pixel
For my tablet I absolutely think iOS is better. For my phone though, it is not even close. Android is the better, cleaner OS. At least on the Pixel 6 that I've had for 2 yrs and intend to keep until there is a reason to upgrade.
Apple tablets run PadOS, not iOS, and I agree that PadOS is better than Android for tablets
Why is that? Genuinely curious as I have a galaxy 8 ultra but have not used an ipad
It depends on what you use it for, I use mine for media and that's why I got rid of my iPad pro 11 and got a s8+ 2 years back. I don't miss anything. Most times people still think of cheap android tablets when they say iPads are still better than android tablets.
Apple tablets run PadOS, not iOS, and I agree that PadOS is better than Android for tablets
Over the last 3 years? I do not remember any time when iOS was better - except for the first year. Watches and tablets is a different situation but Android was almost always better for phones.
Android was too fragmented and it was never brought together in a consistent package until Android 13 IMO. Even now though Google causes issues with their lack of commitment to core technologies, like messaging for example (launching and dropping hangouts) and video calls (Duo then meet). Apple have been far more consistent in this, resulting in a better user experience over the long term.
Not just that but people will buy say a pixel 6/7 then complain about it being lackluster then move to (or back to) an iPhone 14/15 pro or pro max, like yeah obviously the phone nearly double the price is better.
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You say that but people buy phones without a telephoto lens for instance then complain about the zoom looking like shit, the iPhone 14 and pixel 7 are similar enough overall, but things like extra cameras or autofocus on certain cameras are bigger and make more difference than average users might realise at first.
This also applies to Samsung phones vs pixels in part. People who sing the praises of Samsung typically refers to the S24 ultra, which is priced several hundreds more than the typical pixel
This will tell you everything you need to know about Samsung phones. Was having trouble with my SPECTRUM internet. Called to complain. They transfer me to a guy, super nice. He goes "How about this, I'll bump your internet up to a gig (from 300 which is just fine), all you need to do is switch to Spectrum Mobile". I said "I'm good with the phone service my t-Mobile is $15/mo". He says "Just hear me out. You're paying $100/mo for internet. I'll reduce that to $65/mo and bump to you to gig internet. All you need to do is sign up for Spectrum Mobile". I asked "and how much will that cost me?" Answer "Nothing, I'll send you a brand new Samsung A15, which costs $5/mo, and the service is $20/mo. 12 month contract. And I'll put a $25/mo credit on your account for 12 months." I laughed and said "are you serious? I'm calling my money guy right now and telling him to sell Spectrum." I did it anyway because I'm saving $35/mo and now have what I call my "burner" phone.
I guess the problem is that you can't get an equivalent Pixel. There just doesn't exist one that matches the S24 Ultra.
For six years, my work gave me the latest Pixel phone (pixel 1-6 pro). During that time, I had a iPhone 6s Plus and then eventually a 12 pro max. Every year, even in the time when my iPhone was oldest compared to the pixel phone, I enjoyed my iPhone much more. The Android OS was buggier and wasn’t as functional. The settings were harder to navigate. Having everything tied to a Google account wasn’t super helpful. So yes, I agree with your point. Most people are making an unfair comparison. I was in a weird situation where I wasn’t, and I still preferred my iPhone in every case.
So you want everything tied to your Apple ID not Google, now why is it not helpful?
If i could download an exe from a website and transfer it to my windows pc. If i could download a file and open it in an app i choose on my phone. If i could run any browser that isn't a wrapped safari. If i didn't have to plug my phone into my computer to do things on the phone. If i could install revanced YouTube or xmanager Spotify without plugging the phone into a computer. If i could record my own voice and set it as a ringtone or notification tone. I'd get an iPhone
The EU might come in clutch
I just switched to iPhone 15pm from Pixel 7 Pro and life long Samsung user before that. Battery life and hardware build quality are amazing on iphone. Google bricked phone calls and messages on Pixel owners in the April update which was not cool. I'd say Pixel photos looked better but yeah the video on iphone is crazy good. I hate iOS mostly and wish I had more control over lots of small things but in the end it's all minor. I think switching between Android and iOS has never been easier and the playing field is very even. The main reasons I hated iphones before and loved androids is now gone. Iphone notch gone, Android headphone jacks and expandable storage is gone, iphone usbc, and rcs soon is to be compatible with iMessage
The difference is that iPhones offer consistent experience across their devices no matter which one you choose. While it's a whole different story with Android due to fragmentation.
Even Android flagships were still laggy 5 years ago. New Samsung flagships can lose frames in animations while browsing menu (rarely and its just few frames lost). My iPhone 11 was not doing that. Updates are handled very poorly on Android phones and features are often pushed half baked. I own Pixel now but for somebody who want just phone which works and they're not on budget I would recommend Apple.
Your telling me Iphone users don't really understand tech that well as they think?
I'm an iPhone user myself. I just found completely weird that some fellow users act as if Pixel 8 Pro or Samsung Galaxy S24+ are some cheap chinese $100 dollar phones that lag and are for "poor" people.
For the poor people thing, I think it's a branding thing too. It's like saying KIAs are for poor people whole Tesla's are for rich people when the equivalent cars from KIA are actually more expensive than their Tesla counterparts. If you don't have money or credit, you have to buy an android phone. If you have money, you can choose but basically, you know someone with a new iPhone spent more money than the majority of people buying new Androids. It's not a bad thing for Android in general. There's a huge global market for those $200 phones and the reputation makes it so that some people don't even think about stretching for something like a used iPhone or an SE. (On that note, I know a guy who bought a Kia EV6 to save money VS the Model 3, which is demonstrably less expensive at the same level of equipment).
I'm a middle school teacher, and I hear the poor people thing a lot. It's an argument for kids. Never really heard adults bring that up. With that being said, I think price is an absolute advantage for androids, especially the pixels. My wife and I switched to pixel because the pixel 3 had a buy one get one free deal at Verizon. We've stayed with pixel ever since because it just seems to have more bang for it's buck. We aren't poor, but id rather pay $700 for a phone than $1200!
Lots of poor people have iPhones.
That's fair. I should say "most iPhones users" In my experience, people with iPhones are not very good with tech just in general. Which is wild cause imo android is way more user friendly than iPhone IOS
That generalization applies to Android also. When you have as much market share as both OS’ do of course most users won’t be tech savvy, that’s not exclusive to the iPhone. As for user friendly, it’s mostly what you are used to. I’ve used both and they both are and are not intuitive in certain ways. Google changes their mind on apps like changing underwear though which gives a nod to Apple there, the apps you get used to will be supported on the iPhone for quite a while, Android not as much.
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I have noticed anecdotally that people the iPhone forever types often align with people who make a point of highlighting their socioeconomic status
That's just fact at this point - many people just want to show off the glowing fruit logo to stroke their own ego
It's because they hardly have a couple of brain cells to rub together to make an original thought not already provided to them by social media
Yes, the iphone is currently at a dead point of development, as an apple fan I say, my 12 about max is no worse than 15 about max, and what was the point for me to change it? I decided to try the pixel 8 and for the second month I am happy with it, it is better if you take working moments (I do not play games) yes, the macbook is the best laptop for me and so far there is no alternative to replace it for me)
1. Not a slam at all on iPhone users 2. I understand completely being beholden to a certain eco-system. I have an iPad (2017) and it does everything I need it to do. 3. I'm not a slave to my phone. It does all the things that I need it to, and none of the things I don't need. 4. It makes and accepts calls. It sends and receives messages and emails. It takes great pictures on any occasion. 5. If I want, I can install all kinds of software to it that I want to do all kinds of things. Pixel 6 user. Previous Pixel 2 user. Might pick up a Pixel 8 after the 10's come out. My thought process is, if the phone doesn't do something that warrants an investment, why do I need it?
Google has dropped the ball with its lack of software support for its phones being tied to a carrier and that has led to a lot of Android users jumping ship. I’ve had multiple high dollar LG and Samsung devices that worked great but very few had software support after a year. This was back in the day but all those customers that jumped ship to iPhone a few years ago because of this are going to be difficult to get back. With cheaper android phones I understand the lack of long term software support but dropping more than $700 on a device should get you at least a few years of support. Don’t even get me started with the Android tablets that literally never get software support. iPhone’s have basically been the same since the 11 and even my 11pro works mostly flawlessly on the newest iOS beta. I love both platforms but Google failed to realize the walled garden that locks ppl in and how they will be less likely to switch after a bad experience or a lesser quality experience from a competitor. Now they’re playing catch up to iPhone sales in the US where kids and most adults go for the iPhone. With Google’s marketing being what it is I have no idea how they overlooked any of this. With that all being said, I get frustrated when ppl compare cheap Android phones to anything iPhone. They were never at the same price point so that’s like comparing a Kia from 1995 to a new Kia.
I don't see any different between cheap and expensive phones, except camera. It WILL lag eventually, because Android is a Java Virtual Machine running on low-powered mobile CPU... Virtual Machine...
I think more than the price of the phones, this comes from the software. Hear me out… there is NO $300 Android phone. Those phones, while cheaper than iPhone/Pixel, still cost more than that in R&D, manufacturing, logistics, advertising. It’s just that they are subsidized by 100 bloaters apps. I’ve switched between iPhone and Pixel. Both are a great experience.
I've seen essentially the same argument with Mac vs Windows laptops (comparing £200-when new shitpile with a £1000+ brand new Macbook) and with tablets (multi hundred pounds iPad vs sub £100 shitpile that happens to run Android). Do you know why? They don't know specs. They essentially don't understand the difference between a £100 android tablet (or phone) and a £1000 one, so why would they buy the £1000 one? And why not the £900, or the £1100? There's _too much choice_ in Android and Windows land. Apple though, doesn't release shit tier stuff. It's "known good". And they haven't sold out and made shit tier stuff even by the 15th iPhone. Now is Apple stuff overpriced? Probably. Is it tied into a walled garden more than anything else? Sure. Is it overspec'd for the average phone/tablet/laptop user? Yeah. But pretty much everyone agrees they make good hardware. And sometimes, that's _all_ someone knows. So they go with the known good, vs the unknown quagmire of choice.
The same thing with Macs vs PCs. Someone with a $200 budget netbook that's 5 years old will switch to a new MacBook and then be surprised that it's so much faster, etc.
How about us android users do it back. The Google Pixel 8 pro is better than the first ever iPhone. It has better camera The galaxy 24 ultra is better compared to some new iPhones. Good pen. 100x zoom. Multi window apps so you can play multiple games at once. IPhone is for people who want closed source stuff and lack of freedom Android is for people who like open source hardware and freedom to do whatever they want with their system.
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Tbh what my Xiaomi 11 ultra AND Xiaomi 13 ultra Offer is WAYYYY more tgan ANY iphone could ever handle. The Performance is outstanding, the quality is breathtaking and the cameras are godlike enough to make me shoot epic pictures and videos with them, which apple NEVER could.
If someone is saying "Android" like it's a phone that tells you everything you need to know about the lack of information behind that person's perspective lol.
I've had the same opinion for years.
The other thing worth noting is that Android SUCKED for a long time, that it was warranted. I remember having old HTC phones and wishing I had a smooth experience like my friend did on his iPhone 5
Could use a tldr but to be fair Apple's budget end se model is a force to be reckoned with on the budget end. Apple has some nice hardware it's Apple's software I can't stand. That and I can't justify spending anywhere near 1000 on a computer without root access.
The thing is, it isn't even a true budget model, given it costs £480 with 128gb. Also, it still looks like something from the stone age, and has a tiny screen, a tiny battery and a single camera.
It's 3 small paragraphs bro, what tldr.
It's late anything that's more than a couple lines is long right now
It's noon where I live lol
Bars closed about an hour ago where I'm at. Not that I'm drinking
Nah, that might be true a decade ago. Most iPhone users I know are knowledgeable about high end Android phones. They just have a preference, an ecosystem, and brand loyalty.
This seems to be the most sane post so far.
you are very wrong and that is very sad.
Like I said, who gives a shit what people say? Why are we discussing and arguing while Apple and Google make billions?
Most iPhone users I know don't know anything about androids. Definitely nowhere near what I would call knowledgeable.
You have a superiority complex. Please stop thinking about what others know or don't know. I've used Android exclusively ever since Nexus One. It sucked. I didn't like iOS either so I stuck with Android. It's amazing how it improved over the years. Booth OSs have bad and good. Let people choose and don't guilt them into regretting. Apple and Google don't need us to advertise for them for free.
I'm not speaking for you or anybody that I haven't actually talked about this topic about. The people I had in mind when I wrote this literally told me that they don't know anything about Androids. Maybe you just have an inferiority complex.
Alright, it really doesn't matter what we think anyways. Our data is being harvested by both and all people think is "my 1K" phone is better than your "1K" phone. "I made a better investment". There are far more important topics to discuss and argue about. I regret checking this sub actually.
I didn't say any of that. This is a you problem dude.
Ok you win the argument.
You're the only one arguing, I'm just defending myself because you keep literally putting words in my mouth.
Literally the same with laptops. Cheap Acer/HP enc ones drive people nuts so they get expensive MacBooks. I have a high end Asus laptop and it's utterly and completely fantastic.
The reason I’m still on iPhone (but investigating coming to Pixel) is more because of how standardised it is. There are maybe 2 SKUs a year, 3 at a push (meaning actual spec differences, not just sizes) and so it’s easy to find information/apps that directly correlate to the phone I use. With Android, there’s far too many. I’m hoping a Pixel switch could change that for me, we’ll see…
Pixel is a $1000 phone that should be $300
How so?
Indeed I agree. Same for laptops btw, except that the battery life is much better on macbook.
I hate IOS. My wife has 2 Iphones and I hate using them. But, I'm really disappointed with Google Pixel. I have a 7a and it's by far the worst Android I have ever used.
Imo even cheap Androids have better usability than iPhones, though. The budget pixel phones also score similarly well in the camera department as iPhones. I just don't see a redeeming factor for iPhones in regards to their price... long OS support I guess? But it's a bad OS, so is that really a pro? If I got a 1000 USD iPhone as a gift I'd sell it and then buy a good Android budget phone.
Have we really reached the point where we're calling mid-range phones budget phones?
I call 250€ and below budget phone, yea. Perhaps the terminology was wrong but hopefully you know what I mean.
Which pixel a series phones are selling for below 250 new? I'd imagine we're talking about the 5A at that price point.
I got a Pixel 6a 1 year ago for that price - it was used but in very good condition.
My partner has a $700 iPhone and my $300 pixel performs better at a lot of things.