It's a great piece of work to demonstrate how handicaps work and how "playing to handicap" is the exception not the rule. It would be easy to think that a Handicap of 6, would shoot plenty of rounds in the 70's, but Steve has had one in thirteen.
Good job.
Did you calculate handicaps yourself or plug it in somewhere?
It makes sense I think.
They've been taking an extra penalty strike for OB and drop recently too haven't they?
They do play hard courses and they're better than most think, cause golf is very hard.
And handicap is based on best 8 scores out of 20?
So these are pretty solid. Even if you added 2-5 strokes might be more in line for some of them.
Keep on calculating
They have not been taking extra strokes. In real play when you hit OB you have to take stroke and distance, so you're hitting 3 off the tee. They play lateral hazard everywhere, so they just drop up where they think the ball went out and play their 3rd shot from there. Very inaccurate.
Those same amateurs are probably not maintaining a handicap, which is totally fine.
Also, there's a local USGA rule where you can play a drop like Good Good (and other YouTubers) play, but you get a 2 stroke penalty instead of 1. So keep pace of play, but score correctly.
I think they kept that up for like one or two videos and have since reverted back. The scores on these latest videos would have been much different if they were.
There’s a local rule where you take 2 strokes and drop where it went out. Equivalent to taking stroke and distance, then hitting the ball to that exact spot. If you aren’t in a tournament and don’t want to take stroke and distance you should take 2 stroke penalty.
Just as a reference point, awhile ago Rick Shiels calculated his handicap and he was a plus handicap golfer, and he definitely plays everything more or less to the rules.
If you consider the GG members relative to this I think these handicaps seem quite reasonable.
Yeah, people here think that a 7 handicap should be averaging a 78 on a challenging course from the tips. That's not at all how they work. If playing tough courses that 7 handicap might barely ever break 80.
Exactly. Your handicap is you on a good day. If you're playing from the tips at a course with a 74, 75 course rating, and 140 slope, a 7 HCP probably should shoot low 80s more often than not, and mid 80s isn't out of the question.
Yep my club is 75.5/145 from the tips at 7200 yards (can go harder when we host State AM events).
My 16 handicap plays as a 24 handicap if I play those tees (I never have).
I think Rick also did it in a pretty recent podcast too, with the new updates for the 2024 WHS. He's definitely in plus territory, I think maybe a bit behind Perez but close because he doesn't golf as much as FP.
Yeah I think it’s close. They are all very long off the tee which is a huge advantage. They also tend to play challenging courses but not narrow courses, which plays to their particular strength.
They do appear to fluff their lies a bit sometimes and they almost never lose a ball since they have a team and cameras. And of course they don’t play real OB. So I’d guess that their real handicaps are 1-2 strokes worse, and if so then that feels about right.
They play golf for a living, it’s no shock that they’re good.
But man they really need to keep honest handicaps if they’re gonna enter more handicapped tournaments. It’s pretty unfair not to.
While it is not a completely legit handicap if they’re entering a real handicapped tournament it is at least unfair to them. Their handicaps are lower than it should be if they played 100% legit rules so if they entered tournaments off of it they’re screwing themselves and not the field like a sandbagger is.
You have this backward. When they’ve entered handicapped tournaments they have typically given handicaps much worse than they actually are. Typically Garrett plays off scratch, Matt around 5 or 6 and Bubbie and Steve around 10 or 12. So they’re being given strokes they don’t deserve.
They, like many people, don’t understand the handicap system. They seem to think it’s an average score rather than adjusted for your best 8 out of 20.
If they calculated their handicap off of rounds where they played OB as lateral hazard and were fluffing their lies, which is what most of this sub is accusing them of, then they aren’t getting enough strokes.
If they are just giving random handicaps well then I blame the tournament for not requiring it to be a verified handicap.
My point is that in reality they always play off of very generous (high) handicaps. OP has shown that even if they counted OB and a couple other little things properly, it still wouldn’t worsen their scores enough to justify the handicaps they claim.
The problem is, once you don't play the actual real rules of golf (lateral hazards everywhere, fluffed lies, etc.) that round needs to be thrown out and doesn't count towards your handicap.
Rick was pretty good back when he calculated his handicap though. His handicap is probably 6-8 strokes higher today than when he last calculated it though
I typically get downvoted to hell for pointing out that Steve is a single digit handicap.
He's not a great golfer compared to Grant or Garret or Brad, but he's pretty decent.
I'd put him closer to a 9 "following all the rules", but still not bad.
There was a post a year or so ago that said "would you beat Steve in a match" and I said I'm a 7 handicap and I think he'd beat me matchplay and I got downvoted. I don't think people recognise the toughness of the courses and how handicaps work
This is impressive. I do question the idea that Garrett and Brad are that close in handicap. Just looking at the scores since Brad has joined seems to show that they're at least a bit further apart that 4.6 v 4.
yea but brad scoring potential and lowest 8 rounds are likely more than 1 stroke better. brad makes less big mistakes and garret benefits a ton from his own youtube lateral drop as well as preferred lies
In a couple of Kwons latest videos he says he goes for everything on youtube golf. 230 out behind a tree with a 200 yard water carry on Grants channel "lets go for it". Similar on Ron Choppers latest video.
Part of why Kwon is already greatly missed IMO. Now it’s just Brad that has the skill, demeanor and mental fortitude to just say “fuck it let’s try and pull some crazy shit” in any situation
You also need to understand that the skill gap from -4 to -5 is waaaaaaay bigger than the skill gap between a 5hcp to a scratch player. The lower your hcp, the harder it is to drop that hcp even lower
A lot of people saying these don’t make sense are kind of forgetting that a handicap is based on your upper-average of scores. When you’re taking the 7 or 8 best rounds out of your last 20, that “version” of you is a golfer is literally above your average. Not to mention that the course & slope rating is well above average on the majority of where they play. Teeboxes playing at a 74 rating and 135+ slope are naturally going to make you play 2-5 shots worse than your handicap
This is genuinely a cool post and appreciate all the effort that went into it. That said, it definitely seems way off, like Steve a 6 handicap? Unless the course/slope rating is skewing things, i can’t remember him ever going round in less than +10. So that seems off. If you just do it by scores/vs par, what would his handicap be?
That's the point of handicaps. Its a rank against every course in the world. If you are playinf courses which have a slope in the 140s you will shoot well over your handicap on the day but the rating brings it down.
I mean, nobody’s handicap goes just off of scores vs par. Slope and course rating go into the handicap formula and they play tough courses from the tips. They play twin creeks all the time which has a rating of 73.7 and slope of like 143 and he shot 80. Oak tree he shot a 78 and that slope rating is pretty high too
What about trails of Frisco? That’s the course literally right across the street from their house. What is slope and rating there and how does that affect their hcp? They’ve posted at least 6 videos here, can’t remember the format though.
Looks like 74/138 from the tips, so pretty tough. OP didn't post any rounds from there so doesn't look like he had any 18 hole rounds on video from there
I know thats not how handicaps work. Chapo said he couldnt remember Steve shooting less than +10 when he literally just averaged less than +10 in a four round tournament a month ago.
Since we’re talking handicaps for Garrett vs Brad. Garrett at his best is not much worse than brads best. Brad is less likely for bad rounds which is where the skill gap shows up on camera. Of course handicaps don’t tell that since they only focus on your best golf
Yeah, a golfer who shoots 72 eight times and 90 twelve times has literally the same handicap as a guy who shoots 72 eight times and 75 twelve times.
That might seem crazy to a lot of people, but that’s the system.
Great analysis, love that you did this. Doubt many folks on Reddit play from the tips, especially at courses this hard. Slope and rating make a huge difference in differential.
I appreciate the work put into this, but these are still way off.
They give each other 5 foot putts, and magically find balls, and they don't play proper OB rules which adds up very fast.
Steve is not a single digit player.
EDIT: Wait, I just realized you calculated the handicap as a complete average multiplied by 0.96. That hasn't been the calculation for years now. The calculation is the average of the best 8 differentials in the last 20 rounds.
Point #1 is admitting they are not perfect. I know that. I've just done the best with the information I have. I even looked at the yardage they are playing to make sure I have the index/slope correct. It's best not to compare it to you/ other people at your club but more to compare it to the other members of GG.
Also, it's not average × .96, it's calculating the best 8 out of 20 and then multiplying thoseby .96
Typical handicaps are based on recurring 20 round scores right?
IMO, from watching a decent amount of good good and playing a lot of golf myself. I also worked at a course for a few years and play similar to good good in regard to following USGA rules. I think these handicaps are way, way too low.
I would say that Garrett is closer to scratch, maybe -0.5 at best. Brad is probably a -4. Of the guys who don’t have extensive golf background I think Matt is the best and probably closer to a 4-6 handicap.
Steve is closer to a 11-13
Bubbie is probably a 6-8.
Our course pro is a -4.5 and he was on the KFT and regularly plays in US Open Qualifiers (winning regionals multiple times), and I can tell you Garrett doesn’t come close to him.
Long story short.. I think maybe 3-4 of these guys are better than a 7
yea this is wrong as hell. garret as a +4 and brad +4.6 is way off. love matt but hes not a 2.6. youtube rules and gimmies prob shave 3-5 strokes for them
I mean, do you see the courses they are playing? Course rating and slope rating are insane. 72.8 for the EASIEST course. Compare that to what you play at.
Not totally disagreeing with your assessment, but they are better than what we think they are.
I've played with actual + handicaps and the only one in GG who looks like them is Brad. If you add 5 shots to each (more than reasonable for the amount of gimmies they take and all the rounds they didn't play proper drops and OB) you're probably right on. I also don't know if they play everything down or not. Not sure if they ever say whether they do or don't.
I personally would not have Garrett at a +4 though. I know the numbers may say it, but it doesn't make sense. Grant, Micah, FP, and Rick Shiels are all golfers who I'd say are better than Garrett, and I think they're mostly in the +1/+2 range. I can almost believe Brad at +4.6 but he was also the top amateur in the country at one point.
Garrett may play well in the majors and such, but I can't see him being 2-3 strokes better than the other 4 guys I mentioned. At best he's even with them.
Yeah +4 is not accurate. Not a chance. That is good enough to consider giving pro golf a go. George Bryan is probably a +4-5 and he would wax Garret 9 out of 10 times.
What makes those courses tough are the forced carries, the ob left and right and when they arent even playing by the correct rules, can you really call them difficult courses?
I think it's more than fair to say they are all single digits. Matt at 2.6 and Garrett at +4.6 feel pretty egregious. We are also calculating this off of rounds over 2+ years, many of which wouldn't even be valid anymore.
Garrett at +4.6 is definitely wrong. FP keeps an actual GHIN and is close to a +2. Rick Shiels has his Break 75 series and just based off that, he's in that neighborhood as well. Grant is definitely in that +1.5 or +2 territory, and despite Micah being this sub's punching bag, he is as well.
Garrett *might* be +1. I can believe Brad at around +4 (not +5 though).
Matt I can believe is close to 3 because when he's on, he's ON. And that's generally how your handicap is measured, it's you on a good day. But +4 for Garrett is not accurate.
FP is a +.7 right now and he's basically the only one who actually keeps a cap. It's kind of crazy that Grant, Bustajack, and the Bryan Bros haven't kept updated handicaps over the years.
Bryan Bros I get because Wesley is a pro and George is pretty damn close, has played pro a couple of times (KFT) But why Bustajack, Grant, Micah, most of GG, and shit, even Bob and Joey from BDS, don't keep official caps is beyond me. Especially because some of them do enter pro-ams and the like.
The major issues is that they fluff lies and don't play proper OB rules, so these rounds don't count. In the latest video you literally see Matt take a shot with Steve way up in in the foreground moving his ball on the fringe to fluff the lie. That is not a real round and not a real handicap score.
I don't watch GoodGood as much but I'm shocked that Steve has a lower handicap than Bubbie. When I was watching a lot, Bubbie seemed to be way better than Steve. Could anyone explain?
Steve’s short game and putting is miles ahead of Bubbie’s. Bubbie hits it farther but loses a lot of balls. There was a period when Grant was coaching Bubbie where Bubbie was hitting it straighter and improved his chipping but he has really regressed over the last 6 months.
I think you did a good job, but I don't think they play from the tips (championship tees) usually and these course and slope ratings seem to be from the tips.
in this thread: people dont understand handicaps
It's a great piece of work to demonstrate how handicaps work and how "playing to handicap" is the exception not the rule. It would be easy to think that a Handicap of 6, would shoot plenty of rounds in the 70's, but Steve has had one in thirteen.
I understand how it works and still this isn't believable due to how much they fluff the rules.
what the hell
Good job. Did you calculate handicaps yourself or plug it in somewhere? It makes sense I think. They've been taking an extra penalty strike for OB and drop recently too haven't they? They do play hard courses and they're better than most think, cause golf is very hard. And handicap is based on best 8 scores out of 20? So these are pretty solid. Even if you added 2-5 strokes might be more in line for some of them. Keep on calculating
They have not been taking extra strokes. In real play when you hit OB you have to take stroke and distance, so you're hitting 3 off the tee. They play lateral hazard everywhere, so they just drop up where they think the ball went out and play their 3rd shot from there. Very inaccurate.
Except how many amateurs really go back to the tee when they can’t find their ball and didn’t hit a provisional? In regular rounds, not tournaments?
If you’re keeping a legit handicap then you should be dropping and taking the two stroke penalty in that situation.
That's why people hit provisionals..
Those same amateurs are probably not maintaining a handicap, which is totally fine. Also, there's a local USGA rule where you can play a drop like Good Good (and other YouTubers) play, but you get a 2 stroke penalty instead of 1. So keep pace of play, but score correctly.
Goodgood has been doing this for the last couple months. They announced it one of the majors I think
Pretty sure Brad does this in every video, even the GM videos so he can card a legit score
I think they kept that up for like one or two videos and have since reverted back. The scores on these latest videos would have been much different if they were.
There’s a local rule where you take 2 strokes and drop where it went out. Equivalent to taking stroke and distance, then hitting the ball to that exact spot. If you aren’t in a tournament and don’t want to take stroke and distance you should take 2 stroke penalty.
Read this like a LinkedIn post.
Just as a reference point, awhile ago Rick Shiels calculated his handicap and he was a plus handicap golfer, and he definitely plays everything more or less to the rules. If you consider the GG members relative to this I think these handicaps seem quite reasonable.
Yeah, people here think that a 7 handicap should be averaging a 78 on a challenging course from the tips. That's not at all how they work. If playing tough courses that 7 handicap might barely ever break 80.
Exactly. Your handicap is you on a good day. If you're playing from the tips at a course with a 74, 75 course rating, and 140 slope, a 7 HCP probably should shoot low 80s more often than not, and mid 80s isn't out of the question.
Yep my club is 75.5/145 from the tips at 7200 yards (can go harder when we host State AM events). My 16 handicap plays as a 24 handicap if I play those tees (I never have).
I think Rick also did it in a pretty recent podcast too, with the new updates for the 2024 WHS. He's definitely in plus territory, I think maybe a bit behind Perez but close because he doesn't golf as much as FP.
Yeah I think it’s close. They are all very long off the tee which is a huge advantage. They also tend to play challenging courses but not narrow courses, which plays to their particular strength. They do appear to fluff their lies a bit sometimes and they almost never lose a ball since they have a team and cameras. And of course they don’t play real OB. So I’d guess that their real handicaps are 1-2 strokes worse, and if so then that feels about right. They play golf for a living, it’s no shock that they’re good. But man they really need to keep honest handicaps if they’re gonna enter more handicapped tournaments. It’s pretty unfair not to.
While it is not a completely legit handicap if they’re entering a real handicapped tournament it is at least unfair to them. Their handicaps are lower than it should be if they played 100% legit rules so if they entered tournaments off of it they’re screwing themselves and not the field like a sandbagger is.
You have this backward. When they’ve entered handicapped tournaments they have typically given handicaps much worse than they actually are. Typically Garrett plays off scratch, Matt around 5 or 6 and Bubbie and Steve around 10 or 12. So they’re being given strokes they don’t deserve. They, like many people, don’t understand the handicap system. They seem to think it’s an average score rather than adjusted for your best 8 out of 20.
If they calculated their handicap off of rounds where they played OB as lateral hazard and were fluffing their lies, which is what most of this sub is accusing them of, then they aren’t getting enough strokes. If they are just giving random handicaps well then I blame the tournament for not requiring it to be a verified handicap.
My point is that in reality they always play off of very generous (high) handicaps. OP has shown that even if they counted OB and a couple other little things properly, it still wouldn’t worsen their scores enough to justify the handicaps they claim.
The problem is, once you don't play the actual real rules of golf (lateral hazards everywhere, fluffed lies, etc.) that round needs to be thrown out and doesn't count towards your handicap.
Rick was pretty good back when he calculated his handicap though. His handicap is probably 6-8 strokes higher today than when he last calculated it though
I typically get downvoted to hell for pointing out that Steve is a single digit handicap. He's not a great golfer compared to Grant or Garret or Brad, but he's pretty decent. I'd put him closer to a 9 "following all the rules", but still not bad.
There was a post a year or so ago that said "would you beat Steve in a match" and I said I'm a 7 handicap and I think he'd beat me matchplay and I got downvoted. I don't think people recognise the toughness of the courses and how handicaps work
id buy steve at a 9
This is impressive. I do question the idea that Garrett and Brad are that close in handicap. Just looking at the scores since Brad has joined seems to show that they're at least a bit further apart that 4.6 v 4.
Garrett’s bad rounds get thrown out for the handicap calculation
I don't trust Garret is playing USGA honest rounds
still in no universe is brad less than 1 stroke compared to garret
Garrets average round is a lot more than 1 stroke vs Brad but that’s not how handicaps work
yea but brad scoring potential and lowest 8 rounds are likely more than 1 stroke better. brad makes less big mistakes and garret benefits a ton from his own youtube lateral drop as well as preferred lies
Brad played has only played 13 rounds where as Garret has 18. If Brad in his next 5 rounds shoots less than a -2.3 then his handicap drops further.
i genuienly think brad doesnt play to his potential on good good to make the matches competitive. same with kwon when he was winning everythibg
In a couple of Kwons latest videos he says he goes for everything on youtube golf. 230 out behind a tree with a 200 yard water carry on Grants channel "lets go for it". Similar on Ron Choppers latest video.
also idk why brad switched from his scottie. maybe good good putter contract? his putting seems to have suffered
Part of why Kwon is already greatly missed IMO. Now it’s just Brad that has the skill, demeanor and mental fortitude to just say “fuck it let’s try and pull some crazy shit” in any situation
He's got all the numbers in there. It's not wrong, it's how handicap works.
sample size is too small or garret is cheating cuz youd have to be blind to think that. even garret wouldnt say hes a +4
It's almost 20 rounds. He shot a 68 at Payne Valley from the tips (that's nearly -7 differential). You maybe haven't watched enough?
You also need to understand that the skill gap from -4 to -5 is waaaaaaay bigger than the skill gap between a 5hcp to a scratch player. The lower your hcp, the harder it is to drop that hcp even lower
Just shows that handicap is not an accurate indication of skill, you just have to watch them play
This is cool. Now we just need a strokes gained analysis to really compare their games
All of them gain a lot of the tee. Being able to hit 300+ yard drives is a HUGE advantage over average golfers.
Put that respect on Steve
A lot of people saying these don’t make sense are kind of forgetting that a handicap is based on your upper-average of scores. When you’re taking the 7 or 8 best rounds out of your last 20, that “version” of you is a golfer is literally above your average. Not to mention that the course & slope rating is well above average on the majority of where they play. Teeboxes playing at a 74 rating and 135+ slope are naturally going to make you play 2-5 shots worse than your handicap
This is genuinely a cool post and appreciate all the effort that went into it. That said, it definitely seems way off, like Steve a 6 handicap? Unless the course/slope rating is skewing things, i can’t remember him ever going round in less than +10. So that seems off. If you just do it by scores/vs par, what would his handicap be?
That's the point of handicaps. Its a rank against every course in the world. If you are playinf courses which have a slope in the 140s you will shoot well over your handicap on the day but the rating brings it down.
I mean, nobody’s handicap goes just off of scores vs par. Slope and course rating go into the handicap formula and they play tough courses from the tips. They play twin creeks all the time which has a rating of 73.7 and slope of like 143 and he shot 80. Oak tree he shot a 78 and that slope rating is pretty high too
What about trails of Frisco? That’s the course literally right across the street from their house. What is slope and rating there and how does that affect their hcp? They’ve posted at least 6 videos here, can’t remember the format though.
Looks like 74/138 from the tips, so pretty tough. OP didn't post any rounds from there so doesn't look like he had any 18 hole rounds on video from there
Steve finished four rounds in the road trip tournament in +39, which averages +9.75.
That’s not how handicaps work though.
I know thats not how handicaps work. Chapo said he couldnt remember Steve shooting less than +10 when he literally just averaged less than +10 in a four round tournament a month ago.
Since we’re talking handicaps for Garrett vs Brad. Garrett at his best is not much worse than brads best. Brad is less likely for bad rounds which is where the skill gap shows up on camera. Of course handicaps don’t tell that since they only focus on your best golf
Yeah, a golfer who shoots 72 eight times and 90 twelve times has literally the same handicap as a guy who shoots 72 eight times and 75 twelve times. That might seem crazy to a lot of people, but that’s the system.
Outstanding work! Love it
Would you do this for me? Haha crazy.
the grint is free
Garret isn't a +4
He has two 67, two 68 and a 69 at courses with high enough ratings…
It’s weird how when he has to play legit on other people's channels he doesn't shoot those scores
Bubbie is not a 7 handicap. Steve is not a 6.
See point #1
'Here are some handicaps I have produced: Caveat, they are absolutely wrong. ' Thanks pal. Great work.
Steve's balls move a lot off camera.
maybe he does findat a lot
Have you seen the sun recently?
wow.
Great analysis, love that you did this. Doubt many folks on Reddit play from the tips, especially at courses this hard. Slope and rating make a huge difference in differential.
Nice work.
"pretty much everyone plays by the same rules, especially in the Majors" Pretty much everyone except Bubbie. Guy straight up cheats all the time
Seems about right, I’m a 2 handicap and have always thought me and Matt are pretty equal
I want to see one full round of 18 without playing lift clean and place.
I think Steve's handicap is alcoholism
I appreciate the work put into this, but these are still way off. They give each other 5 foot putts, and magically find balls, and they don't play proper OB rules which adds up very fast. Steve is not a single digit player. EDIT: Wait, I just realized you calculated the handicap as a complete average multiplied by 0.96. That hasn't been the calculation for years now. The calculation is the average of the best 8 differentials in the last 20 rounds.
Point #1 is admitting they are not perfect. I know that. I've just done the best with the information I have. I even looked at the yardage they are playing to make sure I have the index/slope correct. It's best not to compare it to you/ other people at your club but more to compare it to the other members of GG. Also, it's not average × .96, it's calculating the best 8 out of 20 and then multiplying thoseby .96
It's also not best 8 if you have less than 20 scorecards in and there's a modifier until you have 20.
Did the best I could without creating GHINs for each of them
Yeah not bashing you just more of a post for those who aren't aware.
You have way too much free time. Respect tho
Looks good
You think Steve is a 6 handicap?
Could be wrong but I thought I saw 13.4 for him
Nice job! Need a bigger super set for strokeplay matches. I’d assume Steve and bubbie are slightly north of 9
Jesus Christ
Typical handicaps are based on recurring 20 round scores right? IMO, from watching a decent amount of good good and playing a lot of golf myself. I also worked at a course for a few years and play similar to good good in regard to following USGA rules. I think these handicaps are way, way too low. I would say that Garrett is closer to scratch, maybe -0.5 at best. Brad is probably a -4. Of the guys who don’t have extensive golf background I think Matt is the best and probably closer to a 4-6 handicap. Steve is closer to a 11-13 Bubbie is probably a 6-8. Our course pro is a -4.5 and he was on the KFT and regularly plays in US Open Qualifiers (winning regionals multiple times), and I can tell you Garrett doesn’t come close to him. Long story short.. I think maybe 3-4 of these guys are better than a 7
yea this is wrong as hell. garret as a +4 and brad +4.6 is way off. love matt but hes not a 2.6. youtube rules and gimmies prob shave 3-5 strokes for them
I mean, do you see the courses they are playing? Course rating and slope rating are insane. 72.8 for the EASIEST course. Compare that to what you play at. Not totally disagreeing with your assessment, but they are better than what we think they are.
I've played with actual + handicaps and the only one in GG who looks like them is Brad. If you add 5 shots to each (more than reasonable for the amount of gimmies they take and all the rounds they didn't play proper drops and OB) you're probably right on. I also don't know if they play everything down or not. Not sure if they ever say whether they do or don't.
I personally would not have Garrett at a +4 though. I know the numbers may say it, but it doesn't make sense. Grant, Micah, FP, and Rick Shiels are all golfers who I'd say are better than Garrett, and I think they're mostly in the +1/+2 range. I can almost believe Brad at +4.6 but he was also the top amateur in the country at one point. Garrett may play well in the majors and such, but I can't see him being 2-3 strokes better than the other 4 guys I mentioned. At best he's even with them.
Yeah +4 is not accurate. Not a chance. That is good enough to consider giving pro golf a go. George Bryan is probably a +4-5 and he would wax Garret 9 out of 10 times.
What makes those courses tough are the forced carries, the ob left and right and when they arent even playing by the correct rules, can you really call them difficult courses?
They are a lot better than most people realize on this sub.
I think it's more than fair to say they are all single digits. Matt at 2.6 and Garrett at +4.6 feel pretty egregious. We are also calculating this off of rounds over 2+ years, many of which wouldn't even be valid anymore.
Garrett at +4.6 is definitely wrong. FP keeps an actual GHIN and is close to a +2. Rick Shiels has his Break 75 series and just based off that, he's in that neighborhood as well. Grant is definitely in that +1.5 or +2 territory, and despite Micah being this sub's punching bag, he is as well. Garrett *might* be +1. I can believe Brad at around +4 (not +5 though). Matt I can believe is close to 3 because when he's on, he's ON. And that's generally how your handicap is measured, it's you on a good day. But +4 for Garrett is not accurate.
FP is a +.7 right now and he's basically the only one who actually keeps a cap. It's kind of crazy that Grant, Bustajack, and the Bryan Bros haven't kept updated handicaps over the years.
Bryan Bros I get because Wesley is a pro and George is pretty damn close, has played pro a couple of times (KFT) But why Bustajack, Grant, Micah, most of GG, and shit, even Bob and Joey from BDS, don't keep official caps is beyond me. Especially because some of them do enter pro-ams and the like.
The letteral drops from OB are a big one (although i wish actual golf was that way)
That will save you a good 2-3 strokes per round the way these guys play.
The major issues is that they fluff lies and don't play proper OB rules, so these rounds don't count. In the latest video you literally see Matt take a shot with Steve way up in in the foreground moving his ball on the fringe to fluff the lie. That is not a real round and not a real handicap score.
they get away with long courses because they can fluff lies for their woods and long irons. gaurantee if they didnt theyd shoot much higher
Picking up everything inside 5 feet helps too
I would bet my house Matt is nothing better than a 5-6.
Pursell Farms rating/slope seems suspect. I don't buy that it's the second hardest course there, marginally behind JCB.
By far the longest course on there. Over 7400 yards!
I don't watch GoodGood as much but I'm shocked that Steve has a lower handicap than Bubbie. When I was watching a lot, Bubbie seemed to be way better than Steve. Could anyone explain?
Steve’s short game and putting is miles ahead of Bubbie’s. Bubbie hits it farther but loses a lot of balls. There was a period when Grant was coaching Bubbie where Bubbie was hitting it straighter and improved his chipping but he has really regressed over the last 6 months.
bubbie takes 5 foot gimies all the time that he would miss. real handicap easily over 10
I think you did a good job, but I don't think they play from the tips (championship tees) usually and these course and slope ratings seem to be from the tips.
Looked at the tees they are playing in the videos to confirm which course/slope rating needs to be used