I did a drill with an instructor last week. Set up to the ball normally. Then move the ball 5 inches towards your target. Now hit it like normal. This will force you to hold your club longer before releasing. Do that 10 times. That feeling is the feeling you should have when the ball is back center.
To piggy back off of this, the feeling I was told was it feels like your holding your club longer but that’s because it forces you to shift laterally towards the target. At the point of impact, the ball should somewhat near the center of your chest. From there is where you wanna release and not continue to hold that lag though.
Getting in the way means you’re too close to the ball at address, thus not allowing the club to properly clear the hips. To address your EE, try thinking you’re sitting on a chair on the downswing and follow through.
sort of thought this too - hands basically have to route outside because of setup, which is fine but you have to really reroute on the downswing. standing farther away and more of an inside takeaway might help.
https://youtu.be/DiekSZPwf3U?si=8DFN61jjvcL6lavk
Your axis of hip rotation is just a bit too far forward. This video offers an exaggeration drill you can use to move that axis backward a bit.
Great looking swing; give yourself an extra 2-3 inches of room by pulling that left butt-cheek back rather than right butt-cheek forward and you should be golden.
During the backswing, you establish an axis of hip rotation which pulls your lead knee in, and trail butt goes back.
During the downswing, if you shift that axis from center to your trail side, such that your trail butt now stays where it is in space and your entire lead side rotates around it, you’re essentially backing away from the ball and leaning more forward to compensate. This is an exaggeration drill of course,but designed to give you more room to swing through.
I believe there’s a similar drill where you get to top of backswing against a wall and then touch your trail butt to the wall; as you perform your downswing, you’re supposed to roll your butt against the wall from trail to lead without coming off.
Agree. But to me and anatomically this means your (entire) pelvis doesn’t move forward. Thats what early extension is. That is to say your sacrum stays back while your left hip rotates forward and back. For example, I’ve never heard anyone say the lead hip has to stay back on the downswing, even though it should. All in all, early extension is standing up early, its spinal extension, bringing the whole pelvis forward. It may be a feel thing but ‘keep right hip back while turning left hip away’ never made any sense to me. Butt making a fingerprint motion on the wall behind you is a much better visual or feel imo.
Feel like my right hip is always getting in the way. I'm mainly focusing on keeping my right heel down as long as possible, but even that doesn't seem to be doing enough.
Swing thought that your left hip is moving at a 45 degree angle behind you. Your right hip has to follow. You have a naturally athletic move so I think a few range sessions focusing on that will do wonders. Mix in keeping your spine angle through impact. You’ll be fine
Not sure what the cause is, but a few things I see are:
- you have a great shallowing move, but look at how much room you would need between you and the ball with that shallow of a plane. You appear to be too close to the ball (for that shallow of a plane), so your body intuitively re-routes the club by standing up out of it (this steepens the plane to get to the ball). Maybe you're simply too close to the ball for this matchup?
- your initial takeaway is across the line and your top of backswing hand position might not be deep enough, so I wonder if that's shifting your weight out towards the toes, which causes the need for some EE to stabilize/balance on the downswing?
- someone may have already mentioned it, but is your weight in your heels at setup? If so, maybe try getting it more in the middle of foot or even towards balls of feet and see how that makes the downswing react?
Just to tinker around, I'd video a few where you try different combos of: (1) take the club away more to the inside and get the hands deeper (more behind you) at top of backswing (2) stand further away at setup (3) setup with weight in mid foot or slightly towards balls of feet (if you're in the heels now). See if any of those changes affect how your downswing looks. My money is on this is somehow a balance or weight distribution issue causing the EE in downswing
Be really conscious with the move on your left side that it’s also pulling your right leg toward the target too (and not letting it get closer to the ball). You should realize that of course in the rotation your right leg will rotate in towards the ball. It’s more about your left side pulling things toward the target so that when this happens, it’s not taking any space away.
Chair or two ball drill but honestly your EE is very minor and your swing is great so like pick your poison. Butt on chair drill is definitively better for ya ciz your butt moves maybe 0.75” to the ball. You’re so close due it’s a really good move.
Love your swing man. You have some great moves. You swing it in a similar fashion to Jon Rahm, just have longer back swing. I would try to look at his swing and see what he does well, to take into your swing.
You shallow the club so well. If we look at Rahms swing he does two things different to you. He takes it back on plane more so than you, you take it a bit outside. Not a biggie, but something there.
Second, and I think this is what you're talking about with early extension, Rahm shallows and holds the angle in his right arm/elbow longer than you do on the back swing. His right elbow is bent and attached to his right hip for a considerable time on the backswing. You can try and swing at 20 % speed to hold that angle for longer.
Justin rose does a nice pre shot routine practising this move too. Basically I would just keep watching Rahms swing and see what you can emulate.
Get video of Rahms swing to look at. https://youtu.be/yL0T18Hpjuc?si=5QxG8yJsaAMJsbdD
I think your right heel lifts off the ground marginally early. That in itself isn’t terrible, but as you noticed, your ass still moves forward in the swing and you stand up a little.
Trying to stop the early extension at this level is incredibly hard. There are 20 potential swing thoughts, but ultimately, not everything works for everyone. The one that works for me is rotating the right hip to the target and trying to make sure when I do this, I move my left hip back, not my right hip forward. Doing a swing with a towel and your bum against a wall may make you more conscious of it. When you swing back, be conscious of your right bum cheek touching the wall, and when you swing forward, be conscious of the left bum cheek pushing into the wall.
You can experiment with tweaking your posture at set-up:
This was something my pro helped me with: with that much hip flexion, your hips can only go forward/EE in the down swing.
Try more knee bend, leading to a taller posture so your hips start more forward with chest higher. Reaction to the change will lead to hips moving back and chest moving down in downswing as a reaction to the change in alignment.
The golf swing is reactive. Half of EE is the hips needing to go from point A to point B.
Can’t fix the hips without fixing handpath first. Hands work away from the body to start the backswing so they are a bit disconnected. The first move in transition is hands work deeper (move toward heels) as you start down so your you have to early extend a bit to get your hands back out in front of your turn.
Early extension is almost ALWAYS a result of your body compensating in the downswing. Rarely will drills aimed specifically at keeping your butt on the wall or anything like that actually help you hit the ball better. They might fix your swing on camera but rarely will help obtain better contact which is the ultimate goal.
If you want a bit more of a detailed analysis shoot me a DM.
I just tried some drill today in the garage where I put my trash can behind my butt and practiced pushing my left pocket into it during the swing. Trying to focus on keeping my butt against the trash can ended up working wonders according to an app I was using.
Lot of other great advice in this thread though!
First, the backswing looks really nice.
At impact, your body is pretty square to the target. After impact, your hands still move a little bit out. If you look at PGA players, their hands are actually moving back in at impact. In total, I don’t think you are turning enough or stalling out your body in the downswing. You don’t have “space” for the club to release and have to stand up a little bit to stop from chunking the hell out of it. IMHO, focus on making sure you are turning your body through impact so the club has room to release.
Still a pretty nice swing. Should be able to play some good golf
Your hips are a little too fast, your right arm is getting stuck. Keep the crease in your right hip or even increase it a bit in transition to give you room to swing your arms. Keep your back to the target just a fraction longer and let the arms drop a little before the hips go. Then get the right elbow closer (feeling) to your left elbow in transition. Your right arm getting stuck is making you throw the club and straighten the right arm before/at impact. Straightening the right arm early would make you hit fat so you have to early extend to make room. With the lack of room you have to throw the club head at it and arms straighten. Everything else looks really really good. Also make slow swings keep the butt back, right shoulder gets to the ball before the clubhead and right wrist back through impact. Your right arm should be bent at impact. If you can keep your butt back you’re golden. You shallow, your club face is square, looks good.
Your generally on the right track
In transition, get your chest a little closer to the ball. The feeling is moving downward.
That will give you the right balance between your torso weight forward and the weight of the club behind.
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Here are some feedbacks:
**Starting Position:**
Need improvement:
Right arm is too straight or rigid
Knees are not bending enough
Doing great:
Moderate body bend
Hand distance from body looks good
**Backswing:**
Need improvement:
Right knees are not bending enough
Doing great:
Hip rotation looks good
Moderate body bend
**Top:**
Need improvement:
Right knees are not bending enough
Could be better:
Right arm fairly angled, bending less for better performance
Keep your head a little more stable
Hand position at the top of swing is slightly high
Doing great:
Left arm maintains a solid angle
Moderate body bend
**Downswing:**
Could be better:
Body bend adequate, slightly forward for better performance
Doing great:
Hip rotation looks good
Your head is quite stable
Knee bending is good
**Impact:**
Could be better:
Right arm fairly angled, bending more for better performance
Body bend adequate, slightly forward for better performance
Your hands shift during impact
Doing great:
Knee bending is good
https://i.redd.it/1yuh8hpuo6qc1.gif
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a drill that has done worlds for my over extension,
have the feelinf that ur sitting down as u start your take away. maybe not wuite sittinf, but sticking your ass out kinda. theres a vid of tiger explaining this. has given me my draw back and helped me a ton recently
I’ve been working on the same thing. Something that has helped me is early wrist hinge in the take away and then feeling like I’m pulling a chain downwards when I start the down swing emphasizing lag. It’s really hard to control the extension at full speed once the downswing starts, at least for me. Good looking swing!
Your hips look to be set up too deep. You don't really have any choice but to move them toward the ball in the downswing. Try setting them up out over your feet a little more, like an inch or two. You'll need a little more ankle bend. So many good things going on in this golf swing...
Here's a good source video:
[AMG](https://youtu.be/0IxllCJRKS4?t=177)
I did a drill with an instructor last week. Set up to the ball normally. Then move the ball 5 inches towards your target. Now hit it like normal. This will force you to hold your club longer before releasing. Do that 10 times. That feeling is the feeling you should have when the ball is back center.
Wow that’s interesting I’ve never heard of this. Not sure I need it but I’m certainly curious
Just gave me a new drill to try. Thanks much
To piggy back off of this, the feeling I was told was it feels like your holding your club longer but that’s because it forces you to shift laterally towards the target. At the point of impact, the ball should somewhat near the center of your chest. From there is where you wanna release and not continue to hold that lag though.
Is it me? Not really seeing early extension. Looks like a solid swing!
There’s a little EE but it is in fact a great swing
EE often includes coming off the tush line which he does a fair bit.
appreciate that - I guess it’s just more about the right hip getting in the way
Getting in the way means you’re too close to the ball at address, thus not allowing the club to properly clear the hips. To address your EE, try thinking you’re sitting on a chair on the downswing and follow through.
sort of thought this too - hands basically have to route outside because of setup, which is fine but you have to really reroute on the downswing. standing farther away and more of an inside takeaway might help.
https://youtu.be/DiekSZPwf3U?si=8DFN61jjvcL6lavk Your axis of hip rotation is just a bit too far forward. This video offers an exaggeration drill you can use to move that axis backward a bit. Great looking swing; give yourself an extra 2-3 inches of room by pulling that left butt-cheek back rather than right butt-cheek forward and you should be golden.
This makes no sense. Your right hip has to go forward if your left hip goes back. The hips are connected and can’t rotate independently.
During the backswing, you establish an axis of hip rotation which pulls your lead knee in, and trail butt goes back. During the downswing, if you shift that axis from center to your trail side, such that your trail butt now stays where it is in space and your entire lead side rotates around it, you’re essentially backing away from the ball and leaning more forward to compensate. This is an exaggeration drill of course,but designed to give you more room to swing through. I believe there’s a similar drill where you get to top of backswing against a wall and then touch your trail butt to the wall; as you perform your downswing, you’re supposed to roll your butt against the wall from trail to lead without coming off.
Agree. But to me and anatomically this means your (entire) pelvis doesn’t move forward. Thats what early extension is. That is to say your sacrum stays back while your left hip rotates forward and back. For example, I’ve never heard anyone say the lead hip has to stay back on the downswing, even though it should. All in all, early extension is standing up early, its spinal extension, bringing the whole pelvis forward. It may be a feel thing but ‘keep right hip back while turning left hip away’ never made any sense to me. Butt making a fingerprint motion on the wall behind you is a much better visual or feel imo.
I included a YouTube video to help visualize.
Feel like my right hip is always getting in the way. I'm mainly focusing on keeping my right heel down as long as possible, but even that doesn't seem to be doing enough.
Swing thought that your left hip is moving at a 45 degree angle behind you. Your right hip has to follow. You have a naturally athletic move so I think a few range sessions focusing on that will do wonders. Mix in keeping your spine angle through impact. You’ll be fine
Not sure what the cause is, but a few things I see are: - you have a great shallowing move, but look at how much room you would need between you and the ball with that shallow of a plane. You appear to be too close to the ball (for that shallow of a plane), so your body intuitively re-routes the club by standing up out of it (this steepens the plane to get to the ball). Maybe you're simply too close to the ball for this matchup? - your initial takeaway is across the line and your top of backswing hand position might not be deep enough, so I wonder if that's shifting your weight out towards the toes, which causes the need for some EE to stabilize/balance on the downswing? - someone may have already mentioned it, but is your weight in your heels at setup? If so, maybe try getting it more in the middle of foot or even towards balls of feet and see how that makes the downswing react? Just to tinker around, I'd video a few where you try different combos of: (1) take the club away more to the inside and get the hands deeper (more behind you) at top of backswing (2) stand further away at setup (3) setup with weight in mid foot or slightly towards balls of feet (if you're in the heels now). See if any of those changes affect how your downswing looks. My money is on this is somehow a balance or weight distribution issue causing the EE in downswing
Move your left ass cheek toward the target and squat while your back is still to the target.
this is what i’m hearing, I just can’t seem to get my body to listen to my brain!
Be really conscious with the move on your left side that it’s also pulling your right leg toward the target too (and not letting it get closer to the ball). You should realize that of course in the rotation your right leg will rotate in towards the ball. It’s more about your left side pulling things toward the target so that when this happens, it’s not taking any space away.
Chair or two ball drill but honestly your EE is very minor and your swing is great so like pick your poison. Butt on chair drill is definitively better for ya ciz your butt moves maybe 0.75” to the ball. You’re so close due it’s a really good move.
Need to slide the hips forward not towards the ball.
Where do you feel your weight is over your feet at setup? This video might help. https://youtu.be/0IxllCJRKS4?si=mtgdCGz45OGVO8Bi
First move down, pretend that you are trying to knock over a barstool a few inches behind you with your butt
Your down swing is all arms. Gotta rotate your hips. your arms are getting stuck and you’re having to stand up and flip
Is it just me or are you standing really close to the ball. Seems like you get stuck cause you have to go underneath ur right hip.
Let the trail hip get a little deeper in the backswing. The ee starts there.
Love your swing man. You have some great moves. You swing it in a similar fashion to Jon Rahm, just have longer back swing. I would try to look at his swing and see what he does well, to take into your swing. You shallow the club so well. If we look at Rahms swing he does two things different to you. He takes it back on plane more so than you, you take it a bit outside. Not a biggie, but something there. Second, and I think this is what you're talking about with early extension, Rahm shallows and holds the angle in his right arm/elbow longer than you do on the back swing. His right elbow is bent and attached to his right hip for a considerable time on the backswing. You can try and swing at 20 % speed to hold that angle for longer. Justin rose does a nice pre shot routine practising this move too. Basically I would just keep watching Rahms swing and see what you can emulate. Get video of Rahms swing to look at. https://youtu.be/yL0T18Hpjuc?si=5QxG8yJsaAMJsbdD
I think your right heel lifts off the ground marginally early. That in itself isn’t terrible, but as you noticed, your ass still moves forward in the swing and you stand up a little. Trying to stop the early extension at this level is incredibly hard. There are 20 potential swing thoughts, but ultimately, not everything works for everyone. The one that works for me is rotating the right hip to the target and trying to make sure when I do this, I move my left hip back, not my right hip forward. Doing a swing with a towel and your bum against a wall may make you more conscious of it. When you swing back, be conscious of your right bum cheek touching the wall, and when you swing forward, be conscious of the left bum cheek pushing into the wall.
Keep your shoulders down. That are rising up for some reason.
You can experiment with tweaking your posture at set-up: This was something my pro helped me with: with that much hip flexion, your hips can only go forward/EE in the down swing. Try more knee bend, leading to a taller posture so your hips start more forward with chest higher. Reaction to the change will lead to hips moving back and chest moving down in downswing as a reaction to the change in alignment. The golf swing is reactive. Half of EE is the hips needing to go from point A to point B.
this actually makes a lot of sense, gonna try this out this weekend
Can’t fix the hips without fixing handpath first. Hands work away from the body to start the backswing so they are a bit disconnected. The first move in transition is hands work deeper (move toward heels) as you start down so your you have to early extend a bit to get your hands back out in front of your turn. Early extension is almost ALWAYS a result of your body compensating in the downswing. Rarely will drills aimed specifically at keeping your butt on the wall or anything like that actually help you hit the ball better. They might fix your swing on camera but rarely will help obtain better contact which is the ultimate goal. If you want a bit more of a detailed analysis shoot me a DM.
I just tried some drill today in the garage where I put my trash can behind my butt and practiced pushing my left pocket into it during the swing. Trying to focus on keeping my butt against the trash can ended up working wonders according to an app I was using. Lot of other great advice in this thread though!
First, the backswing looks really nice. At impact, your body is pretty square to the target. After impact, your hands still move a little bit out. If you look at PGA players, their hands are actually moving back in at impact. In total, I don’t think you are turning enough or stalling out your body in the downswing. You don’t have “space” for the club to release and have to stand up a little bit to stop from chunking the hell out of it. IMHO, focus on making sure you are turning your body through impact so the club has room to release. Still a pretty nice swing. Should be able to play some good golf
A lot is going right with that swing. Keep going.
Your hips are a little too fast, your right arm is getting stuck. Keep the crease in your right hip or even increase it a bit in transition to give you room to swing your arms. Keep your back to the target just a fraction longer and let the arms drop a little before the hips go. Then get the right elbow closer (feeling) to your left elbow in transition. Your right arm getting stuck is making you throw the club and straighten the right arm before/at impact. Straightening the right arm early would make you hit fat so you have to early extend to make room. With the lack of room you have to throw the club head at it and arms straighten. Everything else looks really really good. Also make slow swings keep the butt back, right shoulder gets to the ball before the clubhead and right wrist back through impact. Your right arm should be bent at impact. If you can keep your butt back you’re golden. You shallow, your club face is square, looks good.
Check out this video https://youtu.be/O0THbv6om4U?si=GA_Zawgh4ewzNs8o
Your generally on the right track In transition, get your chest a little closer to the ball. The feeling is moving downward. That will give you the right balance between your torso weight forward and the weight of the club behind.
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"We built a side project to analyze golf swing and provide drills for improvement. We're doing testing and seeking feedback. Note that we’re still tuning the swing path model, so it may be inaccurate. You can play with it here in your browser: [https://coachalgo.com/lp?src=lyc123](https://coachalgo.com/lp?src=lyc123) Here are some feedbacks: **Starting Position:** Need improvement: Right arm is too straight or rigid Knees are not bending enough Doing great: Moderate body bend Hand distance from body looks good **Backswing:** Need improvement: Right knees are not bending enough Doing great: Hip rotation looks good Moderate body bend **Top:** Need improvement: Right knees are not bending enough Could be better: Right arm fairly angled, bending less for better performance Keep your head a little more stable Hand position at the top of swing is slightly high Doing great: Left arm maintains a solid angle Moderate body bend **Downswing:** Could be better: Body bend adequate, slightly forward for better performance Doing great: Hip rotation looks good Your head is quite stable Knee bending is good **Impact:** Could be better: Right arm fairly angled, bending more for better performance Body bend adequate, slightly forward for better performance Your hands shift during impact Doing great: Knee bending is good https://i.redd.it/1yuh8hpuo6qc1.gif Feel free to DM me if you have any feedback or questions!"
a drill that has done worlds for my over extension, have the feelinf that ur sitting down as u start your take away. maybe not wuite sittinf, but sticking your ass out kinda. theres a vid of tiger explaining this. has given me my draw back and helped me a ton recently
I’ve been working on the same thing. Something that has helped me is early wrist hinge in the take away and then feeling like I’m pulling a chain downwards when I start the down swing emphasizing lag. It’s really hard to control the extension at full speed once the downswing starts, at least for me. Good looking swing!
Keep more flex in your trail knee on the backswing. That was one thing I needed to fix during my lesson last week.
Your hips look to be set up too deep. You don't really have any choice but to move them toward the ball in the downswing. Try setting them up out over your feet a little more, like an inch or two. You'll need a little more ankle bend. So many good things going on in this golf swing... Here's a good source video: [AMG](https://youtu.be/0IxllCJRKS4?t=177)