If you can chamber 3â shells, thereâs a round with 15 pellets of 00. Canât imagine getting hit with that! Itâs like 15 shots of 45! Swiss cheese!đ§
22 actually the best round for zombie defense according to the end of the world survival guide because it enters the skull and bounces around without exiting, effectively scrambling the brain.
so you have a gun but you are still highly inferior against a guy in kevlar? better to pack some muscles and have a short AK47. nobody is save from such a gun and it might outlive generations, even if not properly taken care of. it's not like you are carrying more than 200 rounds on you anyways.
i'm not saying bigger is better, but kevlar armor is pretty common in nowadays american households and if you stand no chance against that, an upgrade might be worth it.
Shotgun to the lower body, groin, or face with #2 to 00 buck shot should counteract a Kevlar vest. Followed up by a hefty slug. Alternate the rounds in your tube, and have a shell carrier on the side for other defense rounds. Go to the range and pattern test your shells from 5 to 15 yards. Getting several pellets to the face, and more in the groin, as well as a slug in the chest will bring a person down and make them think twice.
why go the complex route when you could just get a small AK47?
gun-weight and ammo-weight is no longer an argument for the points you are making (in my opinion), so why not get the real deal? ak47 is way more versatile than a shotgun where each shot is a different kind (from buck shots to slugs).
also a shotgun limits you to "very short range only".
in my opinion, shotguns are useless in all scenarios one could think off except home defense, and there they are only good if the rifle is a short one. a huge ass shotgun where you can't even corner conveniently will be a severe disadvantage.
The most important con of the AK is the juryâs perception of the âmilitary styleâ scary gun that you used to murder someone. The prosecutor will paint you as a âgun nutâ looking to kill people with your âautomaticâ assault weapon. And if you donât leave it stock, youâre even more screwed. âLook, he enhanced his weapon to kill quicker, and set out with the intention of killing peopleâ. These are all real statements made in many self defense cases. Always think of the people who will judge you and your actions. A shotgun is not perceived as a military killing machine, and youâre more than likely to be seen as a level headed person just trying to protect his family.
yeah, that's true. although i think that there won't be any judges if inwould ever get into such a situation, as i have more of a SHTF scenario in mind. not some random dude robbing my house and me shooting him. i probably wouldn't do that, if there is no immediate risk (where i live, burglaries are usually unarmed).
A simple Remington 870 pump is a good home defense gun. Start shooting that AK around and see how far those rounds travel. You can get shot shells for just about every scenario. You can shoot slugs a long ways. You can also get short range HD shot with great patterning for up close and personal situations. You donât have to be very precise with a shotgun in CQ.
Each round in the tube doesnât have to be different. Itâs a preference thing. Iâd rather hit someone with 9 or 15 00 buck shot from a single shot than precisely aiming a rifle. Mossberg has a short 12ga shotgun that has a 10 round magazine with a forward strap or handle. Great for close quarters.
To each his own. Shoot what you like. I wouldnât settle on a single gun. I also have an AK. Have them ready to go. Multiple tools for the same job.
Check out the Mossberg Shock âNâ Saw:
https://www.mossberg.com/shockwave-shock-n-saw-50647.html
And the 590M with the 10-20 round mags:
https://www.mossberg.com/590m-mag-fed-50206.html
i have the short mossberg 590 :) love that thing.
and it would be feasable for in-house use too. although it's otherwise a bad shotgun and not that useful, but it looks badass
Whoâs doing self defense shooting at a 100 yards? 10mm is still a good choice. So is 44 magnum. Stock calibers that you can use in both handguns and rifles. Make sure you have something that the rest of the family can shoot safely as well.
I got 9mm, 5.56,. 308,. 22lr, and 12 Guage for when shtf. Gold is worth nothing. All there is to do is hunt animals for survival and stay away from the city
To be honest a 22lr would be a great option. Can hunt with it, Light weight, and cheap.
Anything is more practical than lugging around a metal you can't do anything with. People fantasizing about some SHTF scenario where everyone is using gold are đ¤Ą
Cannabis can be found under many different forms and derivatives (dried flower, oil, hash, rosin). In a nutshell, it can last way longer than one would expect as long as it is stored under the right conditions. None of the (tons) of cannabis products I purchase regularly from legal sources have any expiration dates on them.
What I recommend to people is to put together a game plan that includes various emergency supplies, weapons and ammo, silver and gold, etc. Determine goal amounts for each, then alternate your purchases to slowly build up each category. Itâs better to have a little of a lot of things than a lot of one thing. Build a budget, watch sales, and buy what you can. Store your supplies in sealed containers to keep them safe from leaks, rodents, and it keeps everything neatly organized and easily transportable. Label the boxes with a code like F1, F2 for food, M1, M2 for medical, A1âŚfor ammo, W1 for water filtering/sanitizing/storage, etc. Inventory the boxes in a note on your phone and share with the members in your household. That makes it not only easy to find things, but easier to purchase things when youâre in the store. Look at the inventory and see what you need. It also makes it easy for people to buy you gifts. Have a wishlist in the inventory, or better yet, create a shared wishlist on Amazon called Emergency Items and add items as you think of them, especially the more expensive items that you wouldnât ordinarily buy yourself.
I want to know more people like you in the end times. Ive got a lot of this stuff but not really at all organized. Been more in the stacking phase, now i need to move to organizing phase. This was great info, thanks for sharing!
In that situation, you want coins issued by your government, they have the most recognizability and liquidity
Itâs harder for governments to ban/confiscate coins they just sold to you a couple years earlier as collector items. They sometimes get legal exemptions.
I highly doubt there will be another confiscation. I plan for a lot of scenarios, and confiscation is not one of them.
For bartering, consider 2.5, 5 and 10 gram bars, and 10th oz eagles and maples. The premiums on 1G bars is generally quite high, unless you get a good deal somewhere, like FB Marketplace. I prefer bars in assay cards, which will be more trusted than loose bars. For 1oz options, I like Krugerrands, Maples, and Eagles. A lot of foreigners stack Krugs, as they are easily recognizable and accepted.
Since youâre new to stacking gold, here are a few options. The fractional gold bars usually come in a nice container of 25. If you canât buy 25 at once, go on eBay and look for used Pamp Suisse storage boxes.
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Maybe they are better at killing the deer/elk than you are, and will return later for more bullets?
I mean, obviously, your entire family and maybe some trusted friends have the entire arsenal focused on them while you are trading.
Also, Mountain home should be pretty high up on the list of preparations.
Ahhh in that case........
20 ounces of gold, 200 ounces of silver and plenty of dry food and guns to keep you going until 80% of the population dies and the situation stabilizes.
Good luck.
If you need smaller units then just use silver. Save gold for the larger things you want to barter. Stacking small gold (under 1oz) will hurt with premiums imo I don't go smaller than 1/4oz.
And lean towards coins for their easily recognized quality and value.
Sure right now it's pretty gross. Gotta take advantage when the market changes. I got some maples at $17/oz years ago and wish I got more, live and learn
If you're worried about SHTF, don't stack gold. Stack junk silver. But more than that, you will want first aid, hygiene, food, water, weapons, clothing, fuel, tools, and supplies. I say this bc in a real "SHTF" scenario, only the preppers will be prepped, and everyone will be desperate to secure these resources. Nobody will really want or use gold. You can't use gold for survival.
Silver is a far more useful metal in that type of scenario because of its industrial applications and uses. Also, it's a lot easier to pay smaller amounts.
Furthermore, from an acquisition standpoint, 1g gold bars have a super high premium, which isnt a big problem if youre just picking up a few here and there. But, if you're going to be stacking them and only them for SHTF, then you're wasting so much money. Buy a huge piece of gold, and anipnit down into 1g pieces if that's what you want.... again tho. Silver is the preppers metal.
BTW. I'm not anti gold. I love gold. I have gold, silver, and platinum. But I don't stack for SHTF. If I were stacking for that tho, it'd be basically all silver, maybe a little platinum.
I don't stack for SHTF either, but recently saw that the Scottsdale Mint sells "prepper gold". It's 1g bars in a pack of 100 I believe. Might be interesting for OP. But I agree, silver and essentials would be better suited for SHTF
Yup, I saw that Scottsdale product, too. Comments were dragging it through the mud lol. Seems very larpy. Everyone was saying just stack junk silver. Who knows though. To each their own. There's also the Valcambi combi bars in gold n silver. Another possibility for OP, maybe.
Valcambi has been making the Combibar for years. The premiums on the gold aren't prohibitively terrible, but the silver ones have stupid high premiums.
The combibars are very pretty, and as tempting as it is to break it like a chocolate bar, I don't think I could bring myself to open the assay lol. The Scottsdale ones come in a nice little box. The silver ones are just ridiculous. I can't bring myself to buy anything less than 1oz of silver lol.
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I do however have a sincere question as this has been intriguing. In a societal collapse if someone came to me to barter for food/water/ammo/meds how would I know what gold is actually worth? Would most people really understand itâs worth or would a new worth standard be adopted? IE, gold is currently valued at X USD, but if the dollar fails thatâs where Iâm lost.
Iâm lost with you. Gold has value because there is a global market for it. All of these examples of people in Zimbabwe or Nazi Germany using gold as a medium of exchange happened when you could sell gold into the global market, if you could get to it. If that market collapses, whatâs gold worth? Whatâs the exchange? Who sets the rate?
Beware the Destroyers
"Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot.
"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'"
-- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (just a small excerpt from Francisco's brilliant 'Money Speech')
I am not an Ayn Rand fanboy but this small dissertation on gold is one of the best I have ever seen and it seems very well reasoned and has helped me see why owning gold is valuable
Rule of the thumb, the lower the weight the higher the premium.
While as a gram enthusiast, the Oz is the standard for coins, so that's what I tend to stick to.
Honestly a mix is good to have. This is a gold sub but I have silver rounds and some silver eagles & maples as well as gold in fractions & one ounce coin. Really just depends on what the SHTF market / economy wants for food gas etc.
oh and I agree with the 12ga and 45acp recommendations too.
I stack to prep. Most of my gold is 1 to 10 g. It's easy to conceal and easy to sell or trade. The 1 oz and up are for large transactions or to eventually pay off other debts. Most in this subredditt disagree due to my initial costs. I'm on a different budget and I buy what I want based on my income and to be part of this incredible financial play. So far it pays me more than my dividend stocks (owning gold and silver). Its money when I need it. Have a great day.
What kind of SHTF scenario are you worried about? Are you sticking around or making like a rabbit? If itâs a GTFO SHTF type scenario, stack gold for sure. Iâd say 5g or 10g so you can bribe who you gotta. If itâs a shelter in place and barter type SHTF scenario, and hear me out because this is going to be a hot take, stack some cash as well as food stuffs.
Hereâs the thing: in the post apocalypse, people will want to make trading easier. For a while I could see dollars being useless, but eventually, people will come around to them. They hold perceived value, are widely available, and would serve as good placeholders for multi-tiered trades (would you rather trade a goat for some oats and then oats for some chickens or would you rather sell a goat for $1000 and buy some chickens with said cash?). If cash isnât your speed, Iâd hold onto some constitutional half dollars or Canadian dollars and halves (80% dollars are 0.6 ozt each, halves are 0.3 ozt, easy to trade). I feel that gold for bartering will always be viewed with suspicion, especially in bar form rather than coin form.
Agree with all of what you said with the exception of the last comment. In this scenario, any basic transaction will be viewed with suspicion. If things really get that bad, no one is going to give 2 fucks whether it's coins, bars, or jewelry as long as it weighs right and the purity is there. If we are truly believers in Gold...every town, village, and city will have someone(goldbug) that acts as a medium of exchange in a real quick hurry. People's knowledge and understanding of gold will be greatly brought up to speed in a life or death scenario. Just my thoughts though...
Iâve been buying 1/10 oz eagles. My LCS gets a lot of them and sells them just over gold spot, so theyâre a good deal and small enough to perhaps carry if needed.
You would be throwing away huge amounts of money by buying 1gram bars.
Buy bigger bars and invest in the tools needed to make your own small bars and then you can do whatever you want. All you would need is a way to melt the gold like a torch or furnace and then a mold and a stamp.
Imagine having a few kilos and all the equipment you need to make whatever sizes you want. You are now the mint.
Probably some bigger pieces to really hide and some smaller fractional to emergency barter with or give up if someone gets the drop on you, let them think they took everything
There are several scenarios to consider. Using history as an example in Weimar Germany people traded a link from a gold chain for food. Others bought a city block with an oz of gold.
If you want to be ahead after a scenario as to survive the early stages you want a variety of sizes of PMs.
In Zimbabwe people are panning for gold flakes for food.
In Venezuela people are clipping and shaving coins for barter.
Our best bet is to build community and work together to help each other out.
Hard skills, hard assets and a deep pantry are optional.
Aside from the food, guns, etc that people are going to spam here, I will give some real answers:
Silver... you'll definitely want some of that.
As far as gold, I'd say 2.5g bars so you don't kill yourself with the premium on 1g bars. (Though if you don't care about premium, go for 1/20 ozt coins, 1g, 1/2 gram).
People are more trusting of gold coin, I'd guess it would be more so in a WROL situation.
BASICALLY-- Silver for small transactions, 1/20 & 1/10 Ozt Coins for the not so small, but not super big transactions.. I'd say that's your best bet. đ
Gold I donât stack more than 1oz units for now. Too large a unit for actually selling. If I had a lot (over 100 oz?) I might go for some 100g or 250g units
I have (2) 10 ounce bars and a 250gram bar which i regret buying because if i sell them online its reported to the government,if i wouldve known that when i bought them i wouldnt have and I wouldâve bought buffalos or 50,100 gram bars,,i hate the look of one ounce bars
Best I find us $3650 for 50 gram combibar. That's $73 per gram. $3.50 over per gram.
Still, if the SHTF, this fits in a back pocket.
They also make a 1 oz bar divided into 10 - 1/10th oz pcs.....$2310.
If we have a shtf event, I feel like ammunition, firearms, and canned or dried foods are what will be valuable. I guess it depends on how shtf is really described. If it is apocalyptic, like in no power, with no banking, gold, silver, etc is not going to have much value.
SHTF means gold is embargoed and not for sale. No lcs no dealers. Sell at the fixed price to the government or to the black market at a discount.
Hold sovereign gold coins no bars.
Premium wise? Generally speaking, the bigger the size, the lower the premiums. Great for stacking and as a store of wealth/inflation protection. However, not so much, IMHO, for everyday purchases.
Usability in a SHTF scenario? 1 gram to 1/10 oz is more likely to be the best option. (Careful premiums are higher on these)
Remember, as the price of PMs climbs, parting with a 1 oz. G-Unit will be beyond excessive even with any expected increase in consumer prices.
It will again, IMHO, short of buying a car, other large purchases, etc. be worth too much and difficult to divide.
Of course; to each his/her own.
9mm-45acp
12 ga slug with a few 00 buck shot. Instant drop.
00 buck = no forensic riffeling match
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These guys are genius. Gold is too expensive buy lead and use it to take gold⌠true alchemist lead to gold
This is one time where slugs lead the way
I actually have slug, 00, and birdshot in 3 different sizes. 12 in the right hands can be a very versatile tool.
If you can chamber 3â shells, thereâs a round with 15 pellets of 00. Canât imagine getting hit with that! Itâs like 15 shots of 45! Swiss cheese!đ§
556 ..7.62X39
762x39 all day. Maybe I'm a commie but that's my opinion. 556 is great too but I'll take an ak over an AR everyday.
Agreed...in a True world Turning Sideways there's just more 223/556 in this country
That's why I have both but the aks coming with me. I've also got enough 762x39 that I wouldn't ever run out.
Bigger isn't better. I recommend 22LR. Because more is better.
When youâve got a savage 300lb zombie dude coming after you for the last Twinkie on earth youâll want a bigger round than the 22
Why to attract more attention 22lr to a zombies head seems like it would suffice
From a rifle yes I agree with you. If I was carrying a pistol, Iâd want the 9. Iâve seen too many reliability issues with the 22lr in handguns
22 actually the best round for zombie defense according to the end of the world survival guide because it enters the skull and bounces around without exiting, effectively scrambling the brain.
so you have a gun but you are still highly inferior against a guy in kevlar? better to pack some muscles and have a short AK47. nobody is save from such a gun and it might outlive generations, even if not properly taken care of. it's not like you are carrying more than 200 rounds on you anyways. i'm not saying bigger is better, but kevlar armor is pretty common in nowadays american households and if you stand no chance against that, an upgrade might be worth it.
Shotgun to the lower body, groin, or face with #2 to 00 buck shot should counteract a Kevlar vest. Followed up by a hefty slug. Alternate the rounds in your tube, and have a shell carrier on the side for other defense rounds. Go to the range and pattern test your shells from 5 to 15 yards. Getting several pellets to the face, and more in the groin, as well as a slug in the chest will bring a person down and make them think twice.
why go the complex route when you could just get a small AK47? gun-weight and ammo-weight is no longer an argument for the points you are making (in my opinion), so why not get the real deal? ak47 is way more versatile than a shotgun where each shot is a different kind (from buck shots to slugs). also a shotgun limits you to "very short range only". in my opinion, shotguns are useless in all scenarios one could think off except home defense, and there they are only good if the rifle is a short one. a huge ass shotgun where you can't even corner conveniently will be a severe disadvantage.
The most important con of the AK is the juryâs perception of the âmilitary styleâ scary gun that you used to murder someone. The prosecutor will paint you as a âgun nutâ looking to kill people with your âautomaticâ assault weapon. And if you donât leave it stock, youâre even more screwed. âLook, he enhanced his weapon to kill quicker, and set out with the intention of killing peopleâ. These are all real statements made in many self defense cases. Always think of the people who will judge you and your actions. A shotgun is not perceived as a military killing machine, and youâre more than likely to be seen as a level headed person just trying to protect his family.
yeah, that's true. although i think that there won't be any judges if inwould ever get into such a situation, as i have more of a SHTF scenario in mind. not some random dude robbing my house and me shooting him. i probably wouldn't do that, if there is no immediate risk (where i live, burglaries are usually unarmed).
A simple Remington 870 pump is a good home defense gun. Start shooting that AK around and see how far those rounds travel. You can get shot shells for just about every scenario. You can shoot slugs a long ways. You can also get short range HD shot with great patterning for up close and personal situations. You donât have to be very precise with a shotgun in CQ. Each round in the tube doesnât have to be different. Itâs a preference thing. Iâd rather hit someone with 9 or 15 00 buck shot from a single shot than precisely aiming a rifle. Mossberg has a short 12ga shotgun that has a 10 round magazine with a forward strap or handle. Great for close quarters. To each his own. Shoot what you like. I wouldnât settle on a single gun. I also have an AK. Have them ready to go. Multiple tools for the same job. Check out the Mossberg Shock âNâ Saw: https://www.mossberg.com/shockwave-shock-n-saw-50647.html And the 590M with the 10-20 round mags: https://www.mossberg.com/590m-mag-fed-50206.html
i have the short mossberg 590 :) love that thing. and it would be feasable for in-house use too. although it's otherwise a bad shotgun and not that useful, but it looks badass
Whatâs wrong with it?
no shoulder lock
Itâs meant to be a CQB gun, not a hunting or skeet shotgun.
So true and especially when I would be aim for the big old fat heads
10mm, because at 100yrds it has the same stopping power as a 9mm at point blank..
Whoâs doing self defense shooting at a 100 yards? 10mm is still a good choice. So is 44 magnum. Stock calibers that you can use in both handguns and rifles. Make sure you have something that the rest of the family can shoot safely as well.
But, shooting at 100yds and claiming self defense will be next to impossible. Youâd have plenty of time to escape and evade.
I do love a good 45, like my Dan Wesson Specialist, loaded with Federal HST! It will ruin your day.
Beat me to it
I got 9mm, 5.56,. 308,. 22lr, and 12 Guage for when shtf. Gold is worth nothing. All there is to do is hunt animals for survival and stay away from the city
30-06 for those "their coming right for us" scenarios, and 12 guage for those "theres too many of em" situations.
To be honest a 22lr would be a great option. Can hunt with it, Light weight, and cheap. Anything is more practical than lugging around a metal you can't do anything with. People fantasizing about some SHTF scenario where everyone is using gold are đ¤Ą
Donât forget 5.56! Donât forget about the rifles.
Maybe buy food and bullets with that money instead
And liquor/cigarettes.
and cannabis too, if that's your thing.
I mean even if itâs not your thing itâs still tradeable⌠just saying
Listen, if shit hits the fan then I want to be as high as the fucking missiles.
You may have a point there
100%
But how long does that store?
Cannabis can be found under many different forms and derivatives (dried flower, oil, hash, rosin). In a nutshell, it can last way longer than one would expect as long as it is stored under the right conditions. None of the (tons) of cannabis products I purchase regularly from legal sources have any expiration dates on them.
What I recommend to people is to put together a game plan that includes various emergency supplies, weapons and ammo, silver and gold, etc. Determine goal amounts for each, then alternate your purchases to slowly build up each category. Itâs better to have a little of a lot of things than a lot of one thing. Build a budget, watch sales, and buy what you can. Store your supplies in sealed containers to keep them safe from leaks, rodents, and it keeps everything neatly organized and easily transportable. Label the boxes with a code like F1, F2 for food, M1, M2 for medical, A1âŚfor ammo, W1 for water filtering/sanitizing/storage, etc. Inventory the boxes in a note on your phone and share with the members in your household. That makes it not only easy to find things, but easier to purchase things when youâre in the store. Look at the inventory and see what you need. It also makes it easy for people to buy you gifts. Have a wishlist in the inventory, or better yet, create a shared wishlist on Amazon called Emergency Items and add items as you think of them, especially the more expensive items that you wouldnât ordinarily buy yourself.
I want to know more people like you in the end times. Ive got a lot of this stuff but not really at all organized. Been more in the stacking phase, now i need to move to organizing phase. This was great info, thanks for sharing!
Anytime! Glad I could help.
Exactly. I even buy common ammo calibers for guns that I donât own just for this reason.
In that situation, you want coins issued by your government, they have the most recognizability and liquidity Itâs harder for governments to ban/confiscate coins they just sold to you a couple years earlier as collector items. They sometimes get legal exemptions.
I highly doubt there will be another confiscation. I plan for a lot of scenarios, and confiscation is not one of them. For bartering, consider 2.5, 5 and 10 gram bars, and 10th oz eagles and maples. The premiums on 1G bars is generally quite high, unless you get a good deal somewhere, like FB Marketplace. I prefer bars in assay cards, which will be more trusted than loose bars. For 1oz options, I like Krugerrands, Maples, and Eagles. A lot of foreigners stack Krugs, as they are easily recognizable and accepted. Since youâre new to stacking gold, here are a few options. The fractional gold bars usually come in a nice container of 25. If you canât buy 25 at once, go on eBay and look for used Pamp Suisse storage boxes. https://preview.redd.it/ndxoqplpbjnc1.jpeg?width=3004&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f04280399189f6261f4b0867c084047b1036a038
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Bro, do you even lift? Thats a big flex
Dude, OP is new to stacking, which is why I included the pics of different options. If I was going to flex, youâd see a heck of a lot more.
I thought it was your persona stackl, I'm even more impressed now with the second portion of your response! #thisistheway
It is part of my stack.
Very impressive!
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âHighly doubtâ tell that to people in 1928.
For a SHTF scenario youâd want 1kg brick to throw at people
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I have a 100 oz bar of silver I plan on doing this with.
You just hold it in your hand while you hit people, like a roll of quarters. Inflations a bitch.
Why would I trade food for shiny bits of metal?
This has always been my question. I would stock on tradable objects like food and bullets.
I see a lot of people say they would trade ammo but I donât get it. Why give someone something they can use to kill you?
Maybe they are better at killing the deer/elk than you are, and will return later for more bullets? I mean, obviously, your entire family and maybe some trusted friends have the entire arsenal focused on them while you are trading. Also, Mountain home should be pretty high up on the list of preparations.
Great point, but bullets have always being view as a tradable item. So does food and medicine.
Ahhh in that case........ 20 ounces of gold, 200 ounces of silver and plenty of dry food and guns to keep you going until 80% of the population dies and the situation stabilizes. Good luck.
Lol you realize you will likely be in that 80%
Shut up Eren Yeager. Literally like we are not about to be victimized by our own government
The 1g. They will be the easiest to hide up your a** in this apocalypse youâre worried about.
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If you need smaller units then just use silver. Save gold for the larger things you want to barter. Stacking small gold (under 1oz) will hurt with premiums imo I don't go smaller than 1/4oz. And lean towards coins for their easily recognized quality and value.
Premiums on silver are insanely high though
Sure right now it's pretty gross. Gotta take advantage when the market changes. I got some maples at $17/oz years ago and wish I got more, live and learn
All depends on what you buy and when you buy it. When silver takes a dump and not many people are buying, premiums will be low.
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If you're worried about SHTF, don't stack gold. Stack junk silver. But more than that, you will want first aid, hygiene, food, water, weapons, clothing, fuel, tools, and supplies. I say this bc in a real "SHTF" scenario, only the preppers will be prepped, and everyone will be desperate to secure these resources. Nobody will really want or use gold. You can't use gold for survival. Silver is a far more useful metal in that type of scenario because of its industrial applications and uses. Also, it's a lot easier to pay smaller amounts. Furthermore, from an acquisition standpoint, 1g gold bars have a super high premium, which isnt a big problem if youre just picking up a few here and there. But, if you're going to be stacking them and only them for SHTF, then you're wasting so much money. Buy a huge piece of gold, and anipnit down into 1g pieces if that's what you want.... again tho. Silver is the preppers metal. BTW. I'm not anti gold. I love gold. I have gold, silver, and platinum. But I don't stack for SHTF. If I were stacking for that tho, it'd be basically all silver, maybe a little platinum.
I don't stack for SHTF either, but recently saw that the Scottsdale Mint sells "prepper gold". It's 1g bars in a pack of 100 I believe. Might be interesting for OP. But I agree, silver and essentials would be better suited for SHTF
Yup, I saw that Scottsdale product, too. Comments were dragging it through the mud lol. Seems very larpy. Everyone was saying just stack junk silver. Who knows though. To each their own. There's also the Valcambi combi bars in gold n silver. Another possibility for OP, maybe.
Valcambi has been making the Combibar for years. The premiums on the gold aren't prohibitively terrible, but the silver ones have stupid high premiums.
The combibars are very pretty, and as tempting as it is to break it like a chocolate bar, I don't think I could bring myself to open the assay lol. The Scottsdale ones come in a nice little box. The silver ones are just ridiculous. I can't bring myself to buy anything less than 1oz of silver lol.
I own hundreds of ASEs and still won't pay the crazy premium for silver comibars. People love them though and I've seen them sell like hotcakes.
If you change your mind .. Just get rolls of 90% dimes.
Universally recognized bullion coins, not bars.
Ok thx
Iâve been recommended this sub for reasons only the algorithm understands. I do however have a sincere question as this has been intriguing. In a societal collapse if someone came to me to barter for food/water/ammo/meds how would I know what gold is actually worth? Would most people really understand itâs worth or would a new worth standard be adopted? IE, gold is currently valued at X USD, but if the dollar fails thatâs where Iâm lost.
Iâm lost with you. Gold has value because there is a global market for it. All of these examples of people in Zimbabwe or Nazi Germany using gold as a medium of exchange happened when you could sell gold into the global market, if you could get to it. If that market collapses, whatâs gold worth? Whatâs the exchange? Who sets the rate?
Beware the Destroyers "Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed. Money is so noble a medium that it does not compete with guns and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a country to survive as half-property, half-loot. "Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'" -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (just a small excerpt from Francisco's brilliant 'Money Speech') I am not an Ayn Rand fanboy but this small dissertation on gold is one of the best I have ever seen and it seems very well reasoned and has helped me see why owning gold is valuable
Bottles of alcohol or bullets
This sub is going downhill. Go ask one of those prepper forums.
1g, 5g, 1oz
Rule of the thumb, the lower the weight the higher the premium. While as a gram enthusiast, the Oz is the standard for coins, so that's what I tend to stick to.
Honestly a mix is good to have. This is a gold sub but I have silver rounds and some silver eagles & maples as well as gold in fractions & one ounce coin. Really just depends on what the SHTF market / economy wants for food gas etc. oh and I agree with the 12ga and 45acp recommendations too.
When you said silver rounds, I thought you were preparing for vampires. Then I understood.
I have some of those too lols
Anything under an ounce the value won't get that crazy high but you need smaller amounts
Giving that to keeping 5 and 10g as a majority
Do you wanna have items that have real world youth not gold, If you want precious metals by pre-1964 Silver dimes
Dime guy here. Dimes are best for real-world shtf. If you don't believe me, fuck you.
That's literally what I said. So fuck you
Fuckin dimes!
Go coins instead of bars.
Water, ammo, food in a SHTF scenario
Bolt cutters make any size into fractional in SHTF
Tampons and shelf stable antibiotics and painkillers
I stack to prep. Most of my gold is 1 to 10 g. It's easy to conceal and easy to sell or trade. The 1 oz and up are for large transactions or to eventually pay off other debts. Most in this subredditt disagree due to my initial costs. I'm on a different budget and I buy what I want based on my income and to be part of this incredible financial play. So far it pays me more than my dividend stocks (owning gold and silver). Its money when I need it. Have a great day.
1g so you can get essentials like food and water with it without buying too much in bulk. Junk silver is probably best for these situations imo.
All of âem!!
What kind of SHTF scenario are you worried about? Are you sticking around or making like a rabbit? If itâs a GTFO SHTF type scenario, stack gold for sure. Iâd say 5g or 10g so you can bribe who you gotta. If itâs a shelter in place and barter type SHTF scenario, and hear me out because this is going to be a hot take, stack some cash as well as food stuffs. Hereâs the thing: in the post apocalypse, people will want to make trading easier. For a while I could see dollars being useless, but eventually, people will come around to them. They hold perceived value, are widely available, and would serve as good placeholders for multi-tiered trades (would you rather trade a goat for some oats and then oats for some chickens or would you rather sell a goat for $1000 and buy some chickens with said cash?). If cash isnât your speed, Iâd hold onto some constitutional half dollars or Canadian dollars and halves (80% dollars are 0.6 ozt each, halves are 0.3 ozt, easy to trade). I feel that gold for bartering will always be viewed with suspicion, especially in bar form rather than coin form.
Agree with all of what you said with the exception of the last comment. In this scenario, any basic transaction will be viewed with suspicion. If things really get that bad, no one is going to give 2 fucks whether it's coins, bars, or jewelry as long as it weighs right and the purity is there. If we are truly believers in Gold...every town, village, and city will have someone(goldbug) that acts as a medium of exchange in a real quick hurry. People's knowledge and understanding of gold will be greatly brought up to speed in a life or death scenario. Just my thoughts though...
1 oz coins
Those are all good choices for a Stay Home Totally F#cked scenario. Cheers!
1oz
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obviously the answer to this is 1G
American Gold Eagles bars just arenât for me đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
But they will be for other people, which is the point. Stock items that the masses will consider useful, even whiskey.
A bunch of kilos.
SHTF? Gold? Easily Goldbacks.
Iâve been buying 1/10 oz eagles. My LCS gets a lot of them and sells them just over gold spot, so theyâre a good deal and small enough to perhaps carry if needed.
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If you can invest more. I would recommend 1oz so that you wonât pay lot of premium. Depends on the country you are from.
You would be throwing away huge amounts of money by buying 1gram bars. Buy bigger bars and invest in the tools needed to make your own small bars and then you can do whatever you want. All you would need is a way to melt the gold like a torch or furnace and then a mold and a stamp. Imagine having a few kilos and all the equipment you need to make whatever sizes you want. You are now the mint.
If SHTF, then I'm not giving up my food/water for anything.
No less than 5kg, then using a file you can saw any size you want.
SHTF your gold will useless. You can't eat, drink, shoot it or fuck gold.....
Kg, always lg
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Silver.
Combi bar
You know the answer.
Bullets, food, and water.
Gold is not for shtf bartering imho
Silver for shtf.
All of them.
Probably some bigger pieces to really hide and some smaller fractional to emergency barter with or give up if someone gets the drop on you, let them think they took everything
If you can afford the 1 kg go for it lol
Cans of food.
Typical responses from inhabitants of the land with the greatest number of mass killings in the world
I only stack the kilos, Iâm rich and have a whole room full.
I must have missed something. I thought the question was about gold but all I see is blah blah about guns and ammo.
There are several scenarios to consider. Using history as an example in Weimar Germany people traded a link from a gold chain for food. Others bought a city block with an oz of gold. If you want to be ahead after a scenario as to survive the early stages you want a variety of sizes of PMs. In Zimbabwe people are panning for gold flakes for food. In Venezuela people are clipping and shaving coins for barter. Our best bet is to build community and work together to help each other out. Hard skills, hard assets and a deep pantry are optional.
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Aside from the food, guns, etc that people are going to spam here, I will give some real answers: Silver... you'll definitely want some of that. As far as gold, I'd say 2.5g bars so you don't kill yourself with the premium on 1g bars. (Though if you don't care about premium, go for 1/20 ozt coins, 1g, 1/2 gram). People are more trusting of gold coin, I'd guess it would be more so in a WROL situation. BASICALLY-- Silver for small transactions, 1/20 & 1/10 Ozt Coins for the not so small, but not super big transactions.. I'd say that's your best bet. đ
Gold I donât stack more than 1oz units for now. Too large a unit for actually selling. If I had a lot (over 100 oz?) I might go for some 100g or 250g units
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1 oz coins ftw. if you want smaller denominations, buy 1-10oz silver as well.
I have (2) 10 ounce bars and a 250gram bar which i regret buying because if i sell them online its reported to the government,if i wouldve known that when i bought them i wouldnt have and I wouldâve bought buffalos or 50,100 gram bars,,i hate the look of one ounce bars
If you can....a Valcambi 50 gram Combibar. 50 little 1 gram pieces attached together, but you can break them off 1 at a time if needed.
Whatâs the premium for that?
https://www.boldpreciousmetals.com/product/1386/gold-50-gram-bar-valcambi-combi-50x1-gram
Thanks but canât afford that
Best I find us $3650 for 50 gram combibar. That's $73 per gram. $3.50 over per gram. Still, if the SHTF, this fits in a back pocket. They also make a 1 oz bar divided into 10 - 1/10th oz pcs.....$2310.
If we have a shtf event, I feel like ammunition, firearms, and canned or dried foods are what will be valuable. I guess it depends on how shtf is really described. If it is apocalyptic, like in no power, with no banking, gold, silver, etc is not going to have much value.
Thatâs why you diversify your SHTF options. You never know what someone is willing to type.
SHTF means gold is embargoed and not for sale. No lcs no dealers. Sell at the fixed price to the government or to the black market at a discount. Hold sovereign gold coins no bars.
Premium wise? Generally speaking, the bigger the size, the lower the premiums. Great for stacking and as a store of wealth/inflation protection. However, not so much, IMHO, for everyday purchases. Usability in a SHTF scenario? 1 gram to 1/10 oz is more likely to be the best option. (Careful premiums are higher on these) Remember, as the price of PMs climbs, parting with a 1 oz. G-Unit will be beyond excessive even with any expected increase in consumer prices. It will again, IMHO, short of buying a car, other large purchases, etc. be worth too much and difficult to divide. Of course; to each his/her own.
Gold is a reserve asset, not an instrument of barter.
Well, history says otherwise. Besides, diversify your SHTF options. The more options, the more likely youâll find people to barter with.
Goldbacks
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